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post #691 of 4149
11/4/08 at 5:46pm
That, and based on my results with the DVE disc, there are no flaws in either of the PS3's antialiasing or contrast/brightness functions. Viewing probably the toughest "real world" example - the stair scene in MI3, the antialiasing is superb. Using the Pluge patterns on DVE, the PS3 passes BTB, with plenty of margin (on my Elite panel).

I have to agree with Bob - the reviewer's information is not correct on these points.
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post #692 of 4149
11/4/08 at 6:56pm
For the record, Firmware V. 2.52 is up. Downloading it at the moment.
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post #693 of 4149
11/4/08 at 6:58pm
Have you seen any change notes on V2.52?
--Bob
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post #694 of 4149
11/4/08 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Have you seen any change notes on V2.52?
--Bob

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/...e-v252-update/
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post #695 of 4149
11/4/08 at 8:54pm
Sounds sufficiently minor.
--Bob
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post #696 of 4149
11/5/08 at 7:06am
bloom, read this...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...876&highlight=
Also, to help chose a BD player... see here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206
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post #697 of 4149
11/5/08 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by rr330i View Post

bloom, read this...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...876&highlight=
Also, to help chose a BD player... see here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206

I'll check out that "shoot-out" thread. And I'm already over on the choosing a BD player thread! Thanks!

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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

That, and based on my results with the DVE disc, there are no flaws in either of the PS3's antialiasing or contrast/brightness functions. Viewing probably the toughest "real world" example - the stair scene in MI3, the antialiasing is superb. Using the Pluge patterns on DVE, the PS3 passes BTB, with plenty of margin (on my Elite panel).

I have to agree with Bob - the reviewer's information is not correct on these points.

Thanks, folks.

Another (different person) review for that same player says this:

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Where the BD55 wins over virtually all of the competition (including the PS3) is in its treatment of Blu-ray Discs, both from a picture performance standpoint and in the audio department. On the "big picture" front, the unit includes Panasonic's newly improved UniPhier chip which intelligently upconverts the native 4:2:0 encoding on a Blu-ray discs to 4:4:4 output. What this means from a layman's perspective is that the player restores missing color detail to each pixel in the 1920x1080 image. And while this doesn't make a big difference on smaller sized screens, it does noticeably improve color detail on the larger flat panel and projection screens which you're likely to find in a home theater system. Also, the BD55 has enhanced SD upconversion over its predecessors that makes watching DVDs a lot more enjoyable.

Do you feel this is accurate?

What's this "enhanced SD upconversion" and can it actually be better than the PS3?

I don't get all that 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 stuff... Does that even matter on a 50" 1080p display?

Thanks again -- you folks rock!
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post #698 of 4149
11/5/08 at 10:31am
That second review you cited is even more off the mark than the first one!

The video coming of the disc (be it Blu-Ray, SD-DVD, or even HD-DVD) is encoded in what is known as YCbCr 4:2:0. Skipping over the technical details this means that the amount of color information is deliberately reduced to cut down on the bit rate when the player reads the disc. There is only half as much horizontal and only half as much vertical "color resolution" as there is gray scale resolution recorded on the disc. I.e., there is not a color recorded on disc for each and every pixel.

This works because the human eye can not detect fine detail in color as well as it can in grays. Think of using a really fine point brush for painting the fiddly details in grays and a fatter brush for washing the colors over all that grayscale detail.

Now of course before you can light up the pixels on the display you need to decide what color to use for each and every pixel. This is called color upsampling (a type of scaling). The missing colors are interpolated based on the "real" color info coming off the disc for nearby pixels.

The result is called YCbCr 4:4:4 which is just jargon meaning that there is gray scale AND complete color data for every pixel. YCbCr 4:4:4 also happens to be the default data format for connections between HDMI devices.

The implication in the review is that this player is doing something unique and exotic in raising YCbCr 4:2:0 to YCbCr 4:4:4.

The reality is that *EVERY* player -- both SD-DVD and Blu-Ray -- has to do this.
--Bob
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post #699 of 4149
11/5/08 at 11:15am
Ah, interesting! And good to know!

(As well as being good to know to stop reading Amazon.com reviews... )

Thanks!
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post #700 of 4149
11/5/08 at 4:33pm
Anyone know the NEW Power-Off Sequence.

The one that use to work with 2.5 does not work with 2.52.
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post #701 of 4149
11/5/08 at 5:52pm
I updated my 2nd PS3 to FW 2.52.

I tried the Sequence MANUALLY and it still works.

Then I tried -- the Auto Power off Sequence just now and it worked.

My other Theater might be doing the SEQUENCE too Fast. I'll double
check it tomorrow.

SORRY for the FALSE ALARM.
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post #702 of 4149
11/6/08 at 11:33am
I have just purchased the 80gig PS3. I have HDMI for my video, however my receiver does not have HDMI. What is receommended settings for the audio thru the PS3?

thanks very much
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post #703 of 4149
11/6/08 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by DrhBah View Post

I have just purchased the 80gig PS3. I have HDMI for my video, however my receiver does not have HDMI. What is receommended settings for the audio thru the PS3?

thanks very much

Optical audio connection, what else would you use 2-channel RCA cables?

Set for bitstream over optical if you want > 2-channel sound.

Isn't this is the first Post??????? (YES SEE BELOW)
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Case 5: PS3 connected to a recent vintage HDTV with HDMI and connected to an older AVR via optical digital audio cable (i.e., Toslink).
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post #704 of 4149
11/6/08 at 1:22pm
OK So I've originally had my PS3 hooked up directly to my TV and everything worked out fine. Played video games and watched movies. I recently picked up a Pioneer elite receiver and hooked up the PS3 via HDMI to the receiver and then out to my TV.

I tried watching a blue ray disc and it gave me a small image window in the top left hand corner. probably only filled up 3/4 of the screen and I had a black strip on the bottom all the way across and on the right hand side top to bottom. Has anyone had this issue? Firmware? I don't have the wireless config yet and its not hard wired. I'll have to check that tonight
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post #705 of 4149
11/6/08 at 3:44pm
Seems like an HDMI connection/configuration problem.

Do you have any other HDMI devices connected through the AVR?
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post #706 of 4149
11/6/08 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Seems like an HDMI connection/configuration problem.

Do you have any other HDMI devices connected through the AVR?

I have TiVo HD and a Denon DVD-3910 all hooked up through HDMI. Those are working fine. When I play video games is ok too. I'm only having an issue with blu ray playback.
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post #707 of 4149
11/6/08 at 4:54pm
Try using 1080i resolution from the PS3 instead of 1080p.

If that works, the problem could either be that your receiver doesn't allow HDMI 1080p input or that your HDMI cable to the receiver is not made well enough to handle the higher bandwidth of a 1080p signal.
--Bob
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post #708 of 4149
11/6/08 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by knvs View Post

I have TiVo HD and a Denon DVD-3910 all hooked up through HDMI. Those are working fine. When I play video games is ok too. I'm only having an issue with blu ray playback.

Did you have the PS3 connected to your TV with HDMI? If so, then Bob's on track with his thoughts above.

If not, then you could also have an HDMI problem in the PS3.
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post #709 of 4149
11/7/08 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by knvs View Post

OK So I've originally had my PS3 hooked up directly to my TV and everything worked out fine. Played video games and watched movies. I recently picked up a Pioneer elite receiver and hooked up the PS3 via HDMI to the receiver and then out to my TV.

I tried watching a blue ray disc and it gave me a small image window in the top left hand corner. probably only filled up 3/4 of the screen and I had a black strip on the bottom all the way across and on the right hand side top to bottom. Has anyone had this issue? Firmware? I don't have the wireless config yet and its not hard wired. I'll have to check that tonight

I have a VSX84TSXI receiver. I tried PS3 to Elite to TV (1080p DLP) If I run standard DVD, 1080p games etc everything works fine. When I put in a Blueray Movie including the PS3 demo it does not work. I get sound and pic on for 15 sec off for 15 sec (blinking). I called Sony they said not a unit issue called Pioneer they asked did you have the firmware update. I am having the firmware update done on 11/12. Currently I am running the PS3 through a HDMI switch to TV and optical direct to the receiver and everything is ok. Will let you know if firmware upgrade works but it seems to be a handshake issue.
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post #710 of 4149
11/7/08 at 6:51am
When the PS3 HD gets full it freezes up with whatever it is that you're trying to copy onto the HD.

That's bizarre. Shouldn't it just instead inform you that it's full instead of locking up?!?

Try it for yourself.

When you trying copying additional items, the little circle thing just keeps spinning and when you try backing out of the copying by cancelling it, which it gives you the option to do so, it just locks up forcing a reboot.

It's not FW specific.

Geez, how about a simple message that informs you that your HD is full.

It even had to rebuild its database at one point because I got an error message deleting items to make more room.

It gave the message the the database was rebuilding, a line went across the screen and it rebooted itself and then all was normal.

Other than a few older pictures that showed up on the HD which I deleted w/o any problems.
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post #711 of 4149
11/7/08 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by jp01104 View Post

I have a VSX84TSXI receiver. I tried PS3 to Elite to TV (1080p DLP) If I run standard DVD, 1080p games etc everything works fine. When I put in a Blueray Movie including the PS3 demo it does not work. I get sound and pic on for 15 sec off for 15 sec (blinking). I called Sony they said not a unit issue called Pioneer they asked did you have the firmware update. I am having the firmware update done on 11/12. Currently I am running the PS3 through a HDMI switch to TV and optical direct to the receiver and everything is ok. Will let you know if firmware upgrade works but it seems to be a handshake issue.

Wow. That's strange. I had an older VSX72 and had my PS3 running through there without any problems....

Come to think about, I did have a firmware upgrade done on my old VSX72 before hooking up the PS3...

I'll also try switching cables, but I don't think that should be an issue
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post #712 of 4149
11/8/08 at 11:26am
Hi again...

Okay, this might be a bit of a rehash in parts (i.e. ever so slightly beating a dead horse), but I want to make sure I'm getting my mind grapes around this...

I actually just bought a PS3 today (with a free $100 gift card at Walmart) -- but I won't be opening it until I: 1. Actually buy my display; 2. Am sure the PS3 is the best option for me (I've got 90 days to return it, so it was worth getting up early to go get it, I think!).

Merely based on what I've read, I'm thinking my top display option right now is the Panasonic 50PZ800U (but won't be buying anything until some better deals pop up).

Again, sorry if these questions seem dumb!

1. Would the PS3 be the top choice as a bluray and SD dvd player for this display? (See 3d. also below...)

2. I see that this display accepts 480i input -- but you mentioned here that the PS3 doesn't do that. If I'm understanding this correctly (and here's where the dead horse comes in -- which makes me sad, because I like horses!), this doesn't really matter unless you were going to let the display to all the upscaling to 1080p, right? Any signal *has* to be upscaled to 1080p one way or another, there is no other scenario, correct? So I'm guessing that the PS3 does a better job of this than this display (and most others, as I've only read that the Kuro might do a better upscaling job than the PS3), so you'd *want* your PS3 to do the upscaling, is that correct? And the PS3 is the top player for doing this in general, as well, right? Am I on the right track here with my thinking? Is there more I should be aware of in regards to this?

3. 1080p/24 mode:

3a. What is this? The PS3 does this, correct?

3b. What is 1080p/24 content? Is that any bluray dvd?

3c. How does that compare with 2:3 pulldown? (That's got something to do with if the Hz isn't a multiple of 24, right? What is the Hz of a display?)

3c. Why is using 1080p/24 better/worse than using 2:3 pulldown?

3d. I was told on another thread that if the PS3 is my player, I'd get better PQ with it on a display that had a Hz in a multiple of 24. Is this true? If so, does this mean I'd be better off with a different player if the display didn't do 1080p/24? (Or better off with a different display?)

3e. How does the PS3 work with 2:3 pulldown if that's what you need to use? Better/worse than 1080p/24 mode?

3f. Or are you better off not using 2:3 pulldown either? Is that option, not to use that or 1080p/24? If so, is that a better or worse PQ?

The CNET review of the Panasonic 50PZ800U using a PS3 said this:

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We tested the Panasonic's "24p direct in" mode by setting it to 48Hz and switching our PS3 to 1080p/24 mode. After doing so, the first thing we noticed was significant flicker, which was most obvious in brighter areas of the picture, such as the overcast sky or sun-scorched desert hardpan, but was present throughout. The flicker made the image basically unwatchable, and we much preferred the look of standard 60Hz mode. If it weren't for the flicker, however, the 24p mode would be great, because it did make movement appear more natural, removing the hitching in motion associated with 60Hz's necessary 2:3 pull-down process. We feel most viewers will notice and object to the flicker enough to abandon the 48Hz setting, however.

So while it does have a 24p mode, it apparently sucks.

So to watch a movie, you *have* to use 2:3 pull-down -- and using that gives you "hitching motion" in the PQ...? This doesn't seem so great... Or is this something that's barely discernable?

I know the Pioneer Kuro was that "advanced mode" for 24Hz stuff that displays at 72Hz and eliminates the need for 2:3 pulldown (I read this on another thread -- but have no idea what that really means). I'm pretty darn sure this display will be out of my price range, but does this imply that the PS3 would work better with this than the Panasonic in question? And I guess, if so, the question is, how much better?

(See, I did bring it all back around to the PS3! )

And sorry for the slight veering off topic here and there, but all this stuff is related and you folks are really helpful (and I definitely appreciate you taking the time to field my newbie questions).

Thanks again!
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post #713 of 4149
11/8/08 at 1:30pm
so I got the blu-ray bienvenue chez les ch'tis. its an ABC film. even says so on the cover.

anyway when I put the disc in the player it just gos to a blank screen and sticks on tittle 37. which says oo.oo run time.

is their anyway to manually enter a title or a way to force the movie it self to start. I'm thinking thiers some kind of PAL (in the begining) or a 50hz issue. if that's the case can the ps3 be chaged to out put 50hz. or can it only do 60...

I try hitting menu nothing happens.
all other controls say "option not avallible"
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post #714 of 4149
11/8/08 at 2:12pm
See my inputs to your questions below:

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Originally Posted by bloomcounty View Post

Hi again...

Okay, this might be a bit of a rehash in parts (i.e. ever so slightly beating a dead horse), but I want to make sure I'm getting my mind grapes around this...

I actually just bought a PS3 today (with a free $100 gift card at Walmart) -- but I won't be opening it until I: 1. Actually buy my display; 2. Am sure the PS3 is the best option for me (I've got 90 days to return it, so it was worth getting up early to go get it, I think!).

Merely based on what I've read, I'm thinking my top display option right now is the Panasonic 50PZ800U (but won't be buying anything until some better deals pop up).

Again, sorry if these questions seem dumb!

1. Would the PS3 be the top choice as a bluray and SD dvd player for this display? (See 3d. also below...). The PS3 is a good choice to use with the Panasonic plasma. You must decide if its your best choice (do you want a stand alone BD player or do you want the extra game and media features that the PS3 can provide. Strictly as a BD and DVD player, the PS3 is quite good.
2. I see that this display accepts 480i input -- but you mentioned here that the PS3 doesn't do that. If I'm understanding this correctly (and here's where the dead horse comes in -- which makes me sad, because I like horses!), this doesn't really matter unless you were going to let the display to all the upscaling to 1080p, right? Any signal *has* to be upscaled to 1080p one way or another, there is no other scenario, correct? So I'm guessing that the PS3 does a better job of this than this display (and most others, as I've only read that the Kuro might do a better upscaling job than the PS3), so you'd *want* your PS3 to do the upscaling, is that correct? And the PS3 is the top player for doing this in general, as well, right? Am I on the right track here with my thinking? Is there more I should be aware of in regards to this? 480i output from the PS3 player is not necessary as it does a very good job upscaling DVDs (up to 1080p). BDs from movies are recorded as 1080p/24 and from some HD video sources (e.g., concerts) at 1080i. This latter sources will be output at 1080i.
3. 1080p/24 mode:

3a. What is this? The PS3 does this, correct? Yes - the PS3 does 1080p/24 if supported by the connected HDTV (via HDMI).
3b. What is 1080p/24 content? Is that any bluray dvd? Movies and other film-based source material on BD are recorded at 1080p/24.

3c. How does that compare with 2:3 pulldown? (That's got something to do with if the Hz isn't a multiple of 24, right? What is the Hz of a display?) 2:3 pulldown is used to convert 24 frame per second (fps) source material for display at 60 frames per second (normal display mode for virtually all HDTVs sold in the USA). This works by repeating one frame 2 times, the next frame 3 times, the next 2 times, the next 3 times, etc.
3c. Why is using 1080p/24 better/worse than using 2:3 pulldown? Displaying 24 fps sources at an exact multiple of 24 frames per second can produce smoother on-screen motion as compared to using 2:3 pulldown and a 60 Hz display.
3d. I was told on another thread that if the PS3 is my player, I'd get better PQ with it on a display that had a Hz in a multiple of 24. Is this true? If so, does this mean I'd be better off with a different player if the display didn't do 1080p/24? (Or better off with a different display?) See above comment.
3e. How does the PS3 work with 2:3 pulldown if that's what you need to use? Better/worse than 1080p/24 mode? PS3 optionally can output 1080p/24 content from BDs (not applicable to DVDs) at 1080p/24 or optionally at 1080p/60 by applying 2:3 pulldown.
3f. Or are you better off not using 2:3 pulldown either? Is that option, not to use that or 1080p/24? If so, is that a better or worse PQ? You may be better off using 1080p/60 out of the PS3 (or any other BD player) if: (1) the display doesn't accept a 1080p/24 input; (2) the display accepts 1080p/24 but converts it to 1080p/60 for display; (3) diplays at a multiple of 24 Hz but still doesn't use a high enough multiple to eliminate flicker in the displayed image (see comment below).
The CNET review of the Panasonic 50PZ800U using a PS3 said this:



So while it does have a 24p mode, it apparently sucks.

So to watch a movie, you *have* to use 2:3 pull-down -- and using that gives you "hitching motion" in the PQ...? This doesn't seem so great... Or is this something that's barely discernable?

I know the Pioneer Kuro was that "advanced mode" for 24Hz stuff that displays at 72Hz and eliminates the need for 2:3 pulldown (I read this on another thread -- but have no idea what that really means). I'm pretty darn sure this display will be out of my price range, but does this imply that the PS3 would work better with this than the Panasonic in question? And I guess, if so, the question is, how much better?

(See, I did bring it all back around to the PS3! )
The Panasonic plasma's use of 48 Hz refresh rate (for a 1080p/24 input) is simply too low to eliminate flicker. You really need at least 72Hz (i.e., 24 x 3) to eliminate flicker with a plasma display (note that some people are more sensitive to flicker than others).
And sorry for the slight veering off topic here and there, but all this stuff is related and you folks are really helpful (and I definitely appreciate you taking the time to field my newbie questions).

Thanks again!
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post #715 of 4149
11/8/08 at 2:15pm
oh, I also have older firmware, as I've only got the dail up so it would take a long time to download that.

does sony offer firmware discs. or is downloading the only method. possibly by a game but those maybe to old even the new ones. as the last patch I got was on the 21 blu-ray
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post #716 of 4149
11/8/08 at 2:32pm
Ron's comment pretty much covers everything, but I did want to comment on this line:
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So to watch a movie, you *have* to use 2:3 pull-down -- and using that gives you "hitching motion" in the PQ...? This doesn't seem so great... Or is this something that's barely discernable?

If you've been watching movie DVDs on a regular TV at all for the past 10 years, you've been getting 3:2 pulldown. Whether you've noticed it at all is the answer to whether it's discernible....
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post #717 of 4149
11/8/08 at 8:22pm
I posted in "help a new guy thread", but though more fitting for PS3 thread.

My wife did pick me up a PS3, now looking for some help on set up:

1. Denon 3806
2. Mits HC3000u 720p Proj
3. PS3

Today, i'm running:
audio: ps3 to Denon via optical. selected (1) Dolby Dig 5.1 ch, (2) DTS 5.1, Linear PCM 2 ch 88.2, Linear PCJ 2 ch 48 Khz
video: component from ps3 to denon to Projector

Questions:
a. Do i have set up correctly for optical audio and component video
b. is there an advantage to running HDMI vs optical+component (denon only does hdmi switching)
c. any other obvious things I'm missing?

Thanks in advance for any help!
Brad
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post #718 of 4149
11/8/08 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by i_want_that View Post

I posted in "help a new guy thread", but though more fitting for PS3 thread.

My wife did pick me up a PS3, now looking for some help on set up:

1. Denon 3806
2. Mits HC3000u 720p Proj
3. PS3

Today, i'm running:
audio: ps3 to Denon via optical. selected (1) Dolby Dig 5.1 ch, (2) DTS 5.1, Linear PCM 2 ch 88.2, Linear PCJ 2 ch 48 Khz
video: component from ps3 to denon to Projector

Questions:
a. Do i have set up correctly for optical audio and component video
b. is there an advantage to running HDMI vs optical+component (denon only does hdmi switching)
c. any other obvious things I'm missing?

Thanks in advance for any help!
Brad

Brad,

You could get your audio from the PS3 to the 3806 via HDMI. This would allow the PS3 to send the newer codecs (TruHD and DTS-MA) decoded in the PS3 to your 3806. If you are using optical, then you cannot get those codecs,as they need to be decoded in the PS3, and sent via PCM over HDMI.

Refer to "Audio Settings" in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1019115

Actually, take a moment to read the entire post It will pretty much guide you through setting up your PS3 optimally.

If your projector supports HDMI - you're gold Send both the audio & video to the 3806, via HDMI and have the 3806 pass the video to the projector via HDMI.
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post #719 of 4149
11/9/08 at 4:53am
thanks steve.

i did spend some time looking at this post trying to figure out pro / cons of optical vs hdmi. you explained much better in a single post than i was able to read about. i'll rerun my hdmi (today, i'm running only component, but it does have hdmi).

Thanks, brad
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post #720 of 4149
11/9/08 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by Pugnax555 View Post

If you've been watching movie DVDs on a regular TV at all for the past 10 years, you've been getting 3:2 pulldown. Whether you've noticed it at all is the answer to whether it's discernible....

Hmmm... I haven't noticed any "hitching motion" watching dvds on my regular tv... But I'm wondering if that sort of thing is way more noticeable on a hidef display with a larger screen? What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

See my inputs to your questions below:

Thanks for all those replies! I'm going to provide some more info for you and see if I can get a more specific opinion on a few points, if that's okay?

In no particular order, here's what is important to me (as far as my limited knowledge can determine)...

1. Bluray picture quality (and bluray compatibility -- i.e. no issues with movie discs)
2. SD dvd picture quality
3. De-interlacing
4. Upscaling
5. XviD/DivX .avi playback (and the PQ of it)
6. No burn-in worries (mainly because of watching a lot of 4:3 content)
7. Good for watching regular SD 4:3 sized stuff in center of screen (with bars on the side) -- i.e. *not* stretched to fill the screen.
7a. Accurate display of 4:3 material center screen.

(I realize some of this would be display things, not player things, like #6.)

I won't be playing video games.

I won't be watching regular broadcast tv (for the most part) and no cable at all.

I own a lot of SD dvds that I won't be replacing with bluray versions (and I want these to look at least as good to my eye as they do now on my regular old 4:3 Toshiba 27" flatscreen tube tv).

I also watch .avi files of tv shows (many of which are not in a HD format, so those would be letterboxed but the whole image with bars as 4:3 in center of screen).

I won't be hooking up my computer to the display.

I do like the idea of the PS3's hard drive to put the .avi files on (and I'm guessing they probably play better from the hard drive than a dvd?).

I sit about 8.5 feet from the tv, so I figure a 50" 1080p would be worth it (as I'm told that even though I plan to play a lot of SD dvds, a 720p display won't give me a better SD dvd PQ than a 1080p, even though 720p is closer to the native resolution of the SD dvds -- assuming this is correct?)

So considering all those factors above, would you say the PS3 be the top choice as a bluray and SD dvd player for this display for me? If not *the* top, but one of the top, can you suggest ones that might be more fitting?

Or is it really worth to spend the extra $ for the Pioneer (which right now is on-sale at B&M stores for $3K and the Panasonic is $2.5K at full MSRP -- though I'm waiting for that to come down well below $2K hopefully in the coming weeks).

Would you get more out of the PS3 with the Pioneer because of the whole 1080p/24 thing? Or is the 1080p/24 thing not *that* much better than using 2:3 pulldown? How much difference would you say there was in regards to that in PQ in your opinion?

In relation to that, would SD dvds look better played on the PS3 on the Panasonic in question or the Kuro? (And how much better?)

Out of curiosity, what is the advantage of 480i output from your player for SD dvd? That would just mean than you'd be letting your display de-interlace and then do all the upscaling, right? If so, then that doesn't even matter because the PS3 probably does all that better than the Panasonic display, right? (And this seems to be only done better by the Kuro, right?) So unless you had the Kuro and were letting it do all the work (and had a player that did output in 480i), it doesn't really matter -- is that right?

And thanks again to you both for the replies! And thanks again for fielding my newbie questions (and helping me make a sound decision when it comes to spending so much $).
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