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post #2521 of 3208
7/22/11 at 6:51am
I read very good things about this screen. But in a light controlled room is there really that much of a difference over a standard white screen?
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post #2522 of 3208
7/22/11 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by crazyravr View Post

I read very good things about this screen. But in a light controlled room is there really that much of a difference over a standard white screen?

In a Light Controlled Room this screen is amazing,
Because of the Ambient Light Scatter Control it has.
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post #2523 of 3208
7/22/11 at 11:19am
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but are the sparklies you mention more visible on higher gain screen materials from the BD range ? So for example, are the sparklies less visible on the 1.4 gain material vs the 2.7 ? What about the 0.8 gain ?

Or are the sparklies equally as bad on all gain types ?
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post #2524 of 3208
7/22/11 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but are the sparklies you mention more visible on higher gain screen materials from the BD range ? So for example, are the sparklies less visible on the 1.4 gain material vs the 2.7 ? What about the 0.8 gain ?

Or are the sparklies equally as bad on all gain types ?

For Me the sparkles are worse on the higher gain say the 2.7 vs the .8 but i only notice them on a bright image...
Like a Blue Cloud or Hockey Rink..

And in the latest Gen III you really have to look for the Sparkles vs previous Gen Vrs.

If you are really sensitive and Picky to Sparkle then .8 or 1.4 is what you should stick with...
Again the sparkle on the 2.7 not a big deal but i am not looking for sparkle i am looking at the awesome bright LCD style Image.

I love my .8 gain and will be pairing it with a MIts 9000 Next Prestige Room Upgrade...
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post #2525 of 3208
7/22/11 at 1:17pm
Fraisa,

sounds amazing! i want one. Any hotspotting? what kind of throw are you using, min or max?
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post #2526 of 3208
7/22/11 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Fraisa,

sounds amazing! i want one. Any hotspotting? what kind of throw are you using, min or max?

The Throw distance I am using is 14.5ft on my .8 and hotspotting is non issue for me...

With regards to throw distance on the 2.7 it was around 15-16 ft and i looked for hotspotting and again non issue..
again i wasnt over looking for issues as i was in awe of the image...
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post #2527 of 3208
7/23/11 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

If you are really sensitive and Picky to Sparkle then .8 or 1.4 is what you should stick with...

Thanks for your advice. Have you (or anyone) tested or seen the .8 gain BD G3 ? It looks like black, so it's clearly darker than the previous generation. I would imagination it would give CRT levels of black in a fully darkened space.

If you are going for a 90 inch 16:9 screen size would you say the .8 gain would work well with a projector with 800-1000 lumens....with some ambient light thrown in ? Or is that cutting it a bit ? I'll be watching most of my movies with the lights off but I would like the convenience of enjoying watching with some light in the room. Watching films in total darkness tends to irritate my eyes after awhile.
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post #2528 of 3208
7/24/11 at 5:33am
I'm looking forward to crosstalk tests with polarised 3D. I'd seriously consider this screen for christmas to replace my Harkness Spectral 240 silverscreen.
rdjam, do you still have your polarisers to do this test ?
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post #2529 of 3208
7/24/11 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Thanks for your advice. Have you (or anyone) tested or seen the .8 gain BD G3 ? It looks like black, so it's clearly darker than the previous generation. I would imagination it would give CRT levels of black in a fully darkened space.

If you are going for a 90 inch 16:9 screen size would you say the .8 gain would work well with a projector with 800-1000 lumens....with some ambient light thrown in ? Or is that cutting it a bit ? I'll be watching most of my movies with the lights off but I would like the convenience of enjoying watching with some light in the room. Watching films in total darkness tends to irritate my eyes after awhile.

I have the .8 gain in my room.


Above shot is with a Epson 9700 at 1600 lumens..on the .8 gain GIII
I think it all depends on the projector your planning on using,
Some projectors say there 1600 but shoot at 1000,
Others say 1000 but do higher...

So the question is,
what projector are you thinking of...
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post #2530 of 3208
7/24/11 at 10:26am
Need some help here folks. The shopping list is:

Marantz SR7005
Oppo BDP-93
Klipsch FS-82ii CS-62ii

It's the screen and projector that I need help with.

- The projector will be 13' to 14' from the screen.

- The screen will be on the diagonal wall so the light from the windows will not be shining directly on the screen.

- Room shape:

W = window
P = Projector
/ <--diagonal wall

/-----|
W.....|
W.....|
W.....P
------|

- The diagonal wall is 104" wide.

- The screen height is 40" which should give a 104" screen at 2.40:1.

- Floor to screen lower edge will be 6' 3".

I was thinking about something like a BenQ W6000 or Mitsubishi HC4000, but...

I considered a traditional display but plasma is out because every one I've seen looks like a neon sign. LCD/LED aren't large enough. The Mitsubishi Laser was the closest, but it would require a special stand and the quality control seems terrible for the price. That leaves a projection system as the alternative.

Thoughts?
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post #2531 of 3208
7/24/11 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

So the question is, what projector are you thinking of...

Panasonic AE4000. BTW, the screen looks fantastic in your room. Very nice.
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post #2532 of 3208
7/25/11 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Panasonic AE4000. BTW, the screen looks fantastic in your room. Very nice.

Thanks,
With regards to the Panny, I am not a Panny 4000 fan..
So hard for me to comment without me being hard on that unit.

I have played with a Mits 4000, 6800 and both did very well with the .8 gain
Have the 9700 epson it does well.

If you choose the Panny you will need to get someone in or calibrate it yourself because the panny on a White screen out of the box is very off with its settings ... On a .8 gain BD the Panny is even worse out of the box..
Can be dialed in but will take alot to do it.
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post #2533 of 3208
7/25/11 at 6:57am
hey all, I've already posted this in the High End Projector forum, but someone suggested I post it in here.

I am ordering a screen from the store here, and I have decided to go with a black diamond screen for sure.I need to keep the contrast up with lighting, and I have a white ceiling that I cannot paint.

I am getting a projector in a few months and want something that is both 3d and has excellent black levels in 2d. Possibly the new sony vw95 or even the hw30.

Should I go with the 1.4 gain, or the 2.7 gain? I cannot sample, because I live literally 10 hours away from the nearest dealer. I would like to get the 16x9 113" black diamond III.

I am coming from a 63 inch samsung 3d plasma and am pretty happy with the brightness in 2d and 3d, but want a bigger screen. Will the 1.4 gain screen be bright enough for me on a 113" screen? or should I sacrifice black level and go with the 2.7? My plasma calibrated puts out about 31 fl for whites, and the blacks measure about .07. Throw distance will be about 10 to 12 feet, so fairly close
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post #2534 of 3208
7/25/11 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

hey all, I've already posted this in the High End Projector forum, but someone suggested I post it in here.

I am ordering a screen from the store here, and I have decided to go with a black diamond screen for sure.I need to keep the contrast up with lighting, and I have a white ceiling that I cannot paint.

I am getting a projector in a few months and want something that is both 3d and has excellent black levels in 2d. Possibly the new sony vw95 or even the hw30.

Should I go with the 1.4 gain, or the 2.7 gain? I cannot sample, because I live literally 10 hours away from the nearest dealer. I would like to get the 16x9 113" black diamond III.

I am coming from a 63 inch samsung 3d plasma and am pretty happy with the brightness in 2d and 3d, but want a bigger screen. Will the 1.4 gain screen be bright enough for me on a 113" screen? or should I sacrifice black level and go with the 2.7? My plasma calibrated puts out about 31 fl for whites, and the blacks measure about .07. Throw distance will be about 10 to 12 feet, so fairly close

Blacks are better on the 1.4 vs the 2.7 gain,
If it was me i would go with the Mit 9000 vs the sony..

If your watching alot of bright images like Hockey go with the 1.4 if you just watching for movies and dont care about ambient light the 2.7 will still keep your ceiling black..

But from what your telling me i would go with the 1.4...
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post #2535 of 3208
7/25/11 at 11:14am
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I have played with a Mits 4000, 6800 and both did very well with the .8 gain

So you would personally pick the Mit 4000 over the AE4000 ? Isn't that projector supposed to be in a slightly higher class compared to the Optoma HD20 ? Seems like a budget projector price-wise, but I've heard nothing but good things from it.

Personally the only reason why I'm considering the AE4000 is the powered zoom for 2:35. I don't think the Mit 4000 would have that feature especially at it's price point. If it does then I would seriously consider it.

You say you have used the 4000 on the .8 screen. What in particular did you not like about the AE4000 ? Only color ?
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post #2536 of 3208
7/25/11 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

Blacks are better on the 1.4 vs the 2.7 gain,
If it was me i would go with the Mit 9000 vs the sony..

If your watching alot of bright images like Hockey go with the 1.4 if you just watching for movies and dont care about ambient light the 2.7 will still keep your ceiling black..

But from what your telling me i would go with the 1.4...

Well, i would say that i game 45% of the time, watch blu rays/HD cable 45% of the time, and the other 10% is casual viewing or getting a UFC PPV or something. The room is 80% light controlled, but i have a white ceiling. I want something bright enough to give me GOOD 3d for movies/gaming, but something that makes 2D movies/games GREAT.
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post #2537 of 3208
7/25/11 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

So you would personally pick the Mit 4000 over the AE4000 ? Isn't that projector supposed to be in a slightly higher class compared to the Optoma HD20 ? Seems like a budget projector price-wise, but I've heard nothing but good things from it.

Personally the only reason why I'm considering the AE4000 is the powered zoom for 2:35. I don't think the Mit 4000 would have that feature especially at it's price point. If it does then I would seriously consider it.

You say you have used the 4000 on the .8 screen. What in particular did you not like about the AE4000 ? Only color ?

I just didnt like how out of the box the color was so far Off..
takes alot of work to calibrate in.

If you like the motor zoom then you should look at the Mits 6800 it has that motor zoom and its coming to the end of its cycle about to be replaced in the fall..
So you should be able to get a good deal on a 6800...
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post #2538 of 3208
7/25/11 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Well, i would say that i game 45% of the time, watch blu rays/HD cable 45% of the time, and the other 10% is casual viewing or getting a UFC PPV or something. The room is 80% light controlled, but i have a white ceiling. I want something bright enough to give me GOOD 3d for movies/gaming, but something that makes 2D movies/games GREAT.

2.7 will be good it still does very well with light scatter and that will help with your white ceiling..
Just keep in mind that the 2.7 will show more sparkle than the 1.4
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post #2539 of 3208
7/25/11 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

If you like the motor zoom then you should look at the Mits 6800 it has that motor zoom and its coming to the end of its cycle about to be replaced in the fall..
So you should be able to get a good deal on a 6800...

I did a bit of reading in the Mit 4000 thread and apparently you can get 2:35 to work. It's basically almost half the price of the AE4000 and after reading most of the reviews it seems like a real winner for the price. One of these partnered with a 0.80 gain screen would be fantastic I think.

I'm tired of watching projected images where there is huge light reflections off the ceiling, even in a fully blacked out space ! And even then in many cases the blacks aren't that black. Scenes in space don't look very immersive.

Please do me a favour when you are able to find the time and take a few shots of your set up with and without the lights on. If you can use some challenging material like the Dark Night or something similar. I realize screenshots don't tell the whole story but pics are always welcome.

Thanks again for your advice.
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post #2540 of 3208
7/25/11 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

I did a bit of reading in the Mit 4000 thread and apparently you can get 2:35 to work. It's basically almost half the price of the AE4000 and after reading most of the reviews it seems like a real winner for the price. One of these partnered with a 0.80 gain screen would be fantastic I think.

I'm tired of watching projected images where there is huge light reflections off the ceiling, even in a fully blacked out space ! And even then in many cases the blacks aren't that black. Scenes in space don't look very immersive.

Please do me a favour when you are able to find the time and take a few shots of your set up with and without the lights on. If you can use some challenging material like the Dark Night or something similar. I realize screenshots don't tell the whole story but pics are always welcome.

Thanks again for your advice.

Just pmd you the link to My Photos from Facebook...
In those albums are the screen shots lights on and off....
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post #2541 of 3208
7/25/11 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

Just pmd you the link to My Photos from Facebook...
In those albums are the screen shots lights on and off....



Any chance you could send me a link too? Any pics of a black diamond screen can only help my decision.
Is it your .8 hooked up to your 9000 right now?
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post #2542 of 3208
7/25/11 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Any chance you could send me a link too? Any pics of a black diamond screen can only help my decision.
Is it your .8 hooked up to your 9000 right now?

Sent....
No right now is the 9700 Epson...
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post #2543 of 3208
7/26/11 at 12:47am
Thanks Fraisa ! System looks stunning. I think the best thing besides the black levels is lack of light reflection off the ceiling. It really makes you concentrate a lot more on the actual picture. I take it the 0.80 gain will be better at reducing light reflections than the 1.4 and 2.7 gain models ?
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post #2544 of 3208
7/26/11 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Thanks Fraisa ! System looks stunning. I think the best thing besides the black levels is lack of light reflection off the ceiling. It really makes you concentrate a lot more on the actual picture. I take it the 0.80 gain will be better at reducing light reflections than the 1.4 and 2.7 gain models ?

Actually i have found that with regards to light reflection .8 & 1.4 are the same.
The 2.7 actually is also good with light scatter maybe a 10 percent drop vs the other gains but still good. But when it comes to 3d the 2.7 has the best viewing angle...
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post #2545 of 3208
7/26/11 at 7:34am
How does the sparkle effect compare to the Silverstar Screen. I have a sample of that and from 10 ft back (my viewing distance) its pretty noticeable.

Also, Fraisa, please send me a link also. Thanks.
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post #2546 of 3208
7/26/11 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by ParanoidDroid View Post

How does the sparkle effect compare to the Silverstar Screen. I have a sample of that and from 10 ft back (my viewing distance) its pretty noticeable.

Also, Fraisa, please send me a link also. Thanks.

Done,

I have never seen the Silverstar screen before so i really cant compare.
All Gen III Gains have really reduced sparkle vs Gen II.
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post #2547 of 3208
7/26/11 at 8:10am
I confirm what fraisa is saying about the Gen III materials.
I've seen two of the three and noticed a huge improvement in sparkles. Still noticeable but definitely better than the Gen II

Benito
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post #2548 of 3208
7/26/11 at 10:21am
Hey all,

Just a friendly reminder that AV Science is an authorized Screen Innovations dealer.
So after getting some good advice from fraisa, myself and others....you don't have to go too far to get good pricing as well!

Benito
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post #2549 of 3208
7/26/11 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Benito Joaquin View Post

Hey all,

Just a friendly reminder that AV Science is an authorized Screen Innovations dealer.
So after getting some good advice from fraisa, myself and others....you don't have to go too far to get good pricing as well!

Benito

PM Sent.
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post #2550 of 3208
7/26/11 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Benito Joaquin View Post

Hey all,

Just a friendly reminder that AV Science is an authorized Screen Innovations dealer.
So after getting some good advice from fraisa, myself and others....you don't have to go too far to get good pricing as well!

Benito

Amen,
Benito will Take good care of you...
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