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post #3091 of 3549
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Originally Posted by though View Post

Has anyone noticed vibration problems with their Black Diamond Screen? I just upgraded to a 130" 2.35 BD 1.4 screen from an older 120" 16:9 and the BD material even when stretched out and attached with the bunjees the screen moves and vibrates VERY easy like a long sheet of paper. I haven't mounted it yet but it just doesn't seem like the fabric is thick/heavy enough to withstand vibrations of a large subwoofer (which I have).

I really hope I am wrong about this concern confused.gif

i don't like to do this but "bump"
post #3092 of 3549
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

The screen must be used or something along those lines. Only a dealer going out of business and looking to dump a screen would be selling at that price since it is way, way below dealer cost.

This screen is a clearance item from a retail store If its used I probably wont get it . According to sales someone returned it without using it but I didnt verify that yet . I'll take a hard close look at it tomorrow .If I dont buy it I'll let everyone know where and if its still available !
post #3093 of 3549
I'm an authorized SI dealer. I have the 115" zero edge with a 6010 on display. I'm in the San Diego area.
post #3094 of 3549
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Originally Posted by mcmountainman View Post

This screen is a clearance item from a retail store If its used I probably wont get it . According to sales someone returned it without using it but I didnt verify that yet . I'll take a hard close look at it tomorrow .If I dont buy it I'll let everyone know where and if its still available !

Okay, a return, falls along the lines of what I said. smile.gif
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post #3095 of 3549
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Originally Posted by MikeE715 View Post

I'm an authorized SI dealer. I have the 115" zero edge with a 6010 on display. I'm in the San Diego area.

Too bad I'm not there. I'd like to see it. I haven't found one on display in Houston.
post #3096 of 3549
Clearance .8 92in screen , well I decided not to get it so if anyone living in the Detroit /AA area is interested in the details PM me . Its from a Magnolia outlet.
post #3097 of 3549
Just a reminder Thursday is the last day for the free led light kit on the zero edge. Pm me with any questions
post #3098 of 3549
Mine should arrive this Friday!biggrin.gif
post #3099 of 3549
Is there any place to see a bd screen in central fl? I would like to see one in action before purchasing.
post #3100 of 3549
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View Post

Too bad I'm not there. I'd like to see it. I haven't found one on display in Houston.

If you are ever in Austin i could show you at 115 and give you a factory tour.
post #3101 of 3549
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

If you are ever in Austin i could show you at 115 and give you a factory tour.

I'll find a reason to come over with that invitation.


Thanks
post #3102 of 3549
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Originally Posted by tomiy1 View Post

Hey guys, so i finally took the plunge into the front projection world for my family room and I went all in with it. (Black Diamond 92" G3 w/ the Panasonic PT-AE7000U Projector)
I got REALLY lucky on the screen... I got the screen unused & un-assembled from a guy on Craigslist for $760! ...now here's the bad part....it has a minor horizontal scratch on the bottom left portion.(1/2" or so) Also, there's a few really small dents but I'm definitely not as worried about those. I wanted to get some expert opinions from seasoned veterans in the front projection world to see if these issues are worth freaking out about. I haven't installed the screen or the projector in the family room yet, but I did try the Panasonic projector on the screen and BARELY noticed the small scratch. (only saw it when brighter colors were on the screen.. and when i say "saw it", i mean i had to really look for it) What do you guys think? Is it really worth going through all the trouble of replacing the entire screen just for that? Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!




Those are impact marks and not warranteeable, however we have a screen in our demo room with much worse marks and I never tell people they are there it seems like one out of every 50 people even notice it. The screen we have is totally beat up from customers touching it kids hitting it and me taping up other screen samples agents it. But when the projector is on it all seems to disappear unless you have a bright white solid scene.

But the nice thing with SI if you got it fro a authorised dealer they will sell you fabric at 50% off to replace it.
Edited by programmergeek - 2/10/13 at 4:23pm
post #3103 of 3549
Hi Everyone,
After ten plus years on this forum I just wanted to take a moment to share four gems I've found. The first is AVS'r programmergeek who was recommended to me by another member here. He is an authorized dealer and all I can say is that he truly earns my highest recommendation if you are looking for a candid, knowledgable dealer with integrity,great product selection,competitive pricing and flexibility to address customers' needs (no, I don't work for him!) Give him a chance, you'll be glad you did.
The other gems (from programmergeek) are:
the amazing Black Diamond 110" Zero Edge 1.4 gain (with promo led kit ) screen, Epson 3D projector and Darby Darblet. I saw a demo of the Epson on another screen and this combo, IMHO,with the Zero Edge, absolutely blew me away with the improvement. It really must be seen to appreciate.
Thanks programmergeek, Epson, Darby and Screen Innovations for the hours of enjoyment ahead of me!
post #3104 of 3549
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Originally Posted by mhaneef View Post

Hi Everyone,
After ten plus years on this forum I just wanted to take a moment to share four gems I've found. The first is AVS'r programmergeek who was recommended to me by another member here. He is an authorized dealer and all I can say is that he truly earns my highest recommendation if you are looking for a candid, knowledgable dealer with integrity,great product selection,competitive pricing and flexibility to address customers' needs (no, I don't work for him!) Give him a chance, you'll be glad you did.
The other gems (from programmergeek) are:
the amazing Black Diamond 110" Zero Edge 1.4 gain (with promo led kit ) screen, Epson 3D projector and Darby Darblet. I saw a demo of the Epson on another screen and this combo, IMHO,with the Zero Edge, absolutely blew me away with the improvement. It really must be seen to appreciate.
Thanks programmergeek, Epson, Darby and Screen Innovations for the hours of enjoyment ahead of me!

The free LED lighting kit promo ended the end of last month.
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post #3105 of 3549
Will someone that has the .8 and 1.4 gain BD screens tell me if the color shift can be calibrated out of the picture.
I have samples of each material and the 1.4 has a kind of pink tint on whites and grays.
Also, the 1.4 gain has a little shimmer to it, although that may be because I am projecting onto a relatively small screen right now (80") with a throw distance of around 14ft. My intentions would be to buy at least a 100" screen which may help out with the shimmer since the light would be focused on a larger area.
The .8 gain doesn't really shimmer, but is obviously not as bright. Also, I am not sure I could get the whites bright enought for me on the .8.
I have an Epson 5020 and it has been calibrated.
I am looking for a screen that doesn't have to be in a cave and the BD or DNP screens seem to be the best choices.

Its pretty amazing how much better the contrast is with either of these taped to my current screen with the lights on. I just don't want the shimmer or the color shift.

Thanks for any comments.



"Edited for spelling and grammer"
post #3106 of 3549
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Originally Posted by jimed1 View Post

Will someone that has the .8 and 1.4 gain BD screens tell me if the color shift can be calibrated out of the picture.
I have samples of each material and the 1.4 has a kind of pink tint on whites and grays.
Also, the 1.4 gain has a little shimmer to it, although that may be because I am projecting onto a relatively small screen right now (80") with a throw distance of around 14ft. My intentions would be to buy at least a 100" screen which may help out with the shimmer since the light would be focused on a larger area.
The .8 gain doesn't really shimmer, but is obviously not as bright. Also, I am not sure I could get the whites bright enought for me on the .8.
I have an Epson 5020 and it has been calibrated.
I am looking for a screen that doesn't have to be in a cave and the BD or DNP screens seem to be the best choices.

Its pretty amazing how much better the contrast is with either of these taped to my current screen with the lights on. I just don't want the shimmer or the color shift.

Thanks for any comments.



"Edited for spelling and grammer"

In putting a screen sample of the bd on say a white screen ther will be a opitcal illusion I guess. the color shift looks bad. I took 4 sample pecies and taped them togther for a mini screen and that color shift was not there or even close to what happens when taped on to a white screen. I now have a 115 zero edge and the color is pristine. There is no color shifting without a white screen behind it. The color is much better on the bd. They pop and are richer deeper. Also depth is much improved over a white screen. Sparklies are there and that is something to be considered. At 15 ft with the 115 it is not really an issue. 12 is a little close for me. Blacks and contrast is a hugh difference,even with alol the lights out. The room is not a bat cave so that is a factor.
I really dont think that the color shift will be a problem for anyone with just having the screen.
P.S. flesh tones were terribals and I could not get them even close when useing a sample taped to a white screen. I do not have that problem at all and flesh tones are perfect. Beautiful.
post #3107 of 3549
Would like to post I recently purchased a Black Diamond screen and it arrived damaged with a dent in the metal screen material. Screen Innovations arbitrarily determined it was caused by me (which it was not) and wouldn't honor their replacement warranty. Buyer beware on these very expensive screens - you are on your own if there's a problem.
post #3108 of 3549
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Originally Posted by Dave447 View Post

Would like to post I recently purchased a Black Diamond screen and it arrived damaged with a dent in the metal screen material. Screen Innovations arbitrarily determined it was caused by me (which it was not) and wouldn't honor their replacement warranty. Buyer beware on these very expensive screens - you are on your own if there's a problem.

A video of the unboxing is a good idea.

Im about 4 days with mine and have moved back to 12. I amj not noticing the sparkels near as much. I am seeing the picture now and not the sparkles. I was so scared of them at first and I was hunting for them . Now I am not hunting and the picture is fantasic. i would never watch a white screen again its just a dull look to me. A black car for example with the white screen is more like a flat black and the bd is more like high gloss black. Like a lcd or plasma. Exactly like what I was looking for. I will report back in a few more days.
post #3109 of 3549
Buying this through a physical dealer...this should not happen.

Sold a 113" BD 1.4 to a customer and it had some minor issues. I spoke with my rep...replaced. 100% no issues.
post #3110 of 3549
Yes, I purchased through an authorized dealer and very glad I did. The dealer stepped up with a solution to remedy the problem even though the manufacturer walked.
post #3111 of 3549
So here are some pics of my set and a quick couple of screenshots with different lighting conditions. Mits HC5 proj in use with a 100" 16:9 Black Diamond III screen with a gain of 1.4. The proj is mounted 14' from the screen and has only slight vertical lens shift used.

All pictures are of the same exact image. One right after the other, from the same exact location in the room. About 13' back from the screen. Pay attention to the room walls as well. One thing I am very happy about this this Mits/Black Diamond combo is the lack of reflected light, yet the pop to the picture.



Here is the projector mounted:




Screen:




Image on screen. From Prometheus. All 6 pot lights on, plus a high powered fluorescent work light on as well. Picture suffers slightly, and you can see the effect of the work light on the left hand side, mainly blacks, but still very watchable.



This is the same image with the rear pot lights off, the work light off, and the stage lights on.




And finally, all lights off. Completely off, only projector image reflecting of the BD screen. Very happy to say the least.




Let me know what you think.
post #3112 of 3549
I have a dedicated theater room. Currently I'm using a 73" RP, but I would like to go to a 120" + diagonal screen front projection system.

Currently I have very diffuse low level blue light behind the TV in the ceiling so that I don't get that "staring at a bright rectangle" in the black effect. I have very low level ceiling spots that are deep red and allow enough light on my seating area to see a remote or a beer. The RP is of course very dark gray. With the set off and the lights on, I cannot detect the ambient lighting on the screen.

This would all change with a white or silver screen which I think would pick up every tiny light source. When people say Black Diamond, I was hoping they meant a screen that was very resistant to reflected light. Perhaps something that was at least as dark as a RP mat screen. Does such a screen even exist?

That variable might push me toward a 110" (hopefully) plasma. FP is new to me, so I'm trying to become educated on the subject.

Thanks,

Floyd
post #3113 of 3549
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Originally Posted by Floydster View Post

I have a dedicated theater room. Currently I'm using a 73" RP, but I would like to go to a 120" + diagonal screen front projection system.

Currently I have very diffuse low level blue light behind the TV in the ceiling so that I don't get that "staring at a bright rectangle" in the black effect. I have very low level ceiling spots that are deep red and allow enough light on my seating area to see a remote or a beer. The RP is of course very dark gray. With the set off and the lights on, I cannot detect the ambient lighting on the screen.

This would all change with a white or silver screen which I think would pick up every tiny light source. When people say Black Diamond, I was hoping they meant a screen that was very resistant to reflected light. Perhaps something that was at least as dark as a RP mat screen. Does such a screen even exist?

That variable might push me toward a 110" (hopefully) plasma. FP is new to me, so I'm trying to become educated on the subject.

Thanks,

Floyd

What would your viewing distance be and what throw distance do you have available? Also the BD 16:9 screen using the regular velvet covered frame is a max size of 113" diagonal. The 16:9 Zero Edge max size is 115" diagonal.
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post #3114 of 3549
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

What would your viewing distance be and what throw distance do you have available? Also the BD 16:9 screen using the regular velvet covered frame is a max size of 113" diagonal. The 16:9 Zero Edge max size is 115" diagonal.

I like being really close, so say 10 to 11 feet viewing distance. The throwing distance, provided by one of the AVCS sponsors is ~ 16 feet. Thanks for the info.
The above ceiling wiring that runs the signal from the components to the projector and provides power for the projector is 16 - 17 feet from the screen position. The JVC DLA-X75R Price: $7999.95 that he recommends is supposedly perfect for the room which is about 22' x 16'. The idea of paying $6K for a screen seems atrocious to me. I can't remember what gain screen he recommended but it was low, if gain is needed. The projector is DILA, which a year or so back was the best available chip.

The theater has no windows, so when the door is closed it can be pitch black. I prefer a small amount of ambient light. So, what do you think overall. All opinions are welcome.

Floyd
post #3115 of 3549
Floydster,

I am getting my Black Diamond Zero Edge installed this coming Friday. Mine will be 110 inches. Your welcome to come by and check it out. I am located in Flower Mound Texas. I believe my Sony HW50ES is rated around the same Lumens as the JVC you listed. I am in a somewhat controlled lighting room, but I have white ceilings.
post #3116 of 3549
Ryan,
The screen/images look awesome:). Very impressed. I just had a BD Zero Edge 115" screen delivered. I still have a few items to take care of before I can install it. Looking to pair it with the Sony HW50. What speakers do you have with your system? Sub?

Thanks,

Jim
post #3117 of 3549
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Originally Posted by tiguej View Post

Ryan,
The screen/images look awesome:). Very impressed. I just had a BD Zero Edge 115" screen delivered. I still have a few items to take care of before I can install it. Looking to pair it with the Sony HW50. What speakers do you have with your system? Sub?

Thanks,

Jim


Hey Jim,

My speakers are Paradigm Studio 100, CC690, ADP590 and a Sub15. Powered by a NAD M25, and my pre has recently been updated to a Anthem MRX300. Sound is sublime. Can't wait to put in some room treatments and do some better, more in depth calibration.


Here are a few recent screen shots I took using my Panasonic LX5 camera.

WALLe and EVE lightbulb



Last Crusade: Fedora and Grail Tablet



Last Crusade: Airplane bombing car



Last Crusade: Grail Book
post #3118 of 3549
Ugh, I ordered a used BD 1.4 113" fixed frame screen off ebay and it has two impact marks on the screen. The impact marks are on the part of the screen that we rolled on the inside of the packing cylinder so I know that it wasn't from shipping. mad.gif On top of that the screen was rolled up backwards to what the SI instructions show they ship packed up. This means I ended up putting the screen on backwards at first.

Anyhow, I did a time-lapse video of the buildup (minus the screen reversal fix) for you guys.
http://youtu.be/VFt5r22P8P0

You can see pics of my impact marks here:
http://imgur.com/PbWAHFL
and
http://imgur.com/Fk0GxJe

Thankfully it was through Ebay and Paypal so my butt is covered if I want to send it back. But I'm still sad...
post #3119 of 3549
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Originally Posted by Dave447 View Post

Would like to post I recently purchased a Black Diamond screen and it arrived damaged with a dent in the metal screen material. Screen Innovations arbitrarily determined it was caused by me (which it was not) and wouldn't honor their replacement warranty. Buyer beware on these very expensive screens - you are on your own if there's a problem.

Feel free to contact me directly to discuss. We do have to replace screens damaged in shipping, unfortunately, all to often. This is an inherent curse of shipping long squares in big, long and often heavy boxes. If your box had any shipping damage then the dealer should always refuse the order and have the shipper bring it back to the factory and we will be happy to replace the screen. Once you or the dealer has accepted the screen from the shipper then that's when it becomes difficult to ascertain when and how the damage happened. Was the screen dinged in the dealers warehouse or on the way out to the job? Was it damaged during the installation? When a customer makes a damaged screen claim we do not ever just arbitrarily decide not to replace the materials. We do require the dealer send us pictures of the damage and file an RMA request. the pictures are then shown to at least 3 staff member during from engineering, production and upper management. That team then decides what to do from there.

I am sorry you were unhappy with our decision but please understand we take each claim very seriously.
post #3120 of 3549
Any pictures of the performance series with the solar hd 1.3 4k?
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