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Thanks!
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

Thanks Blake!

I have seen the video and it is one of the reasons I am on your trail!

Do you know if any of your dealers in the Ft Lauderdale area have something like this on display so I can check it out live?
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Hi BLake I've looking at you screen since I saw it at a dealer and saw your you tube videos. Needless to say you sold me but recently came across some earlier post in this thread that said the Sony 50ES in not the best match. They were from a few years ago so wondering if you guys got that issue solved? Oh and are the LED kits still included in the zero edge screens or did I miss out? Thanks

Call me i can hook you up with a dealer showing a Black Diamond in FL.
post #3153 of 3549
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Hi BLake I've looking at you screen since I saw it at a dealer and saw your you tube videos. Needless to say you sold me but recently came across some earlier post in this thread that said the Sony 50ES in not the best match. They were from a few years ago so wondering if you guys got that issue solved? Oh and are the LED kits still included in the zero edge screens or did I miss out? Thanks

I just finished 2 days of training useing a Sony ES 50 and I LOVE IT! Awesome projector for the money (and even more money) so i dont know why someone would say its not a good match?? I just left a room of 35 industry professionals who would strongly disagree. We pumped 20FC of light into the room and the 100" BD Zero Edge looked amazing with the ES 50 even in such a bright hotel conference room.
post #3154 of 3549
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Originally Posted by mblobster View Post

Hello folks. New guy here. Thanks btw for all the info. I am looking to get my very first projector. I have a question regarding the BD zero edge LED backlights: do the colors adjust automatically to match what is on the screen?

No the LED lights do NOT change to match the color and contrast of the image on the screen. Phillips tried that a few years back and the constantly changing lights, however suttle were still distracting. The LED lights can change colors but the way i use mine are Blue at 50% brightness for movies, Red at 100% for concert videos (i watch a lot of concert videos) and yellow ( i have tan walls so trust me in my room yellow works) but dimmed down to 40% for every day TV watching.

Here is an image of my living room BD 115" and you will notice that even with the room lights full on i leave the back lights up and i still get the cool Halo effect around the screen. This picture was taken with my Iphone and not doctored in any way.

post #3155 of 3549
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

I am interested in the 2.7 gain screen but need someone out there to do a test for me PLEASE:
I want to use this screen with a passive 3D set up and need to know if it will retain polarization. Can anyone test it with 2 of the cheap 3d glasses from the theater for me and report back?

Actually your choices narrow when going with passive 3D. Passive 3D REQUIRES a polarize preserving screen so the BD 2.7 is one of a very few choices that support passive 3D. Passive also looks, well different than active 3D so i am not sure comparing a 3D active image to a 3D passive image will give you the answer you are looking for. I would suggest you have your dealer contact us for a larger sample that you can test with. Seeing is believing.
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Blake thanks for answering my question. Exactly what i was looking for. I love your setup, i was thinking about getting the 110 inch zero edge with a sony hw50es as my projector. You may have just convinced me to just go ahead a pull the trigger. Will ask for forgiveness from the wife after the fact lol
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Another question for purchasing. Does the l.e.d. kit come free with the 110 inch zero edge g2 screen? Who could i contact to order one of these? Looking to buy a.s.a.p. thanks for your help guys
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So I have a .8 103" zero edge, but one without the LED lightkit. Can I add on a light kit? Looks pretty cool. I'd love to add it to my screen.
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Originally Posted by mblobster View Post

Another question for purchasing. Does the l.e.d. kit come free with the 110 inch zero edge g2 screen? Who could i contact to order one of these? Looking to buy a.s.a.p. thanks for your help guys

No the LED light kit adds $500 to the retail. But the LED adds a million $'s of fun smile.gif. The LED lights also make it easier on the eys iris to watch bright content in a dark room for long. Back lighting also gives a perceived improvement in contrast.
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

So I have a .8 103" zero edge, but one without the LED lightkit. Can I add on a light kit? Looks pretty cool. I'd love to add it to my screen.

Yes you can add the lights later. How many strands will depend on the frame model you have. The G1 had a box frame and takes fewer lights to wrap around the box frame as the box is placed about half way from the center of the screen to the edge.. The new G2 frame has a channel built into the frame for the LED lights and runs along the edge of the screen requiring a longer strand of light tape. If you reach behind your screen and feel a 3" frame then you have the G2. if you cannot reach the frame with a finger then you have the box frame and a G1 series Zero Edge. FYI the material is the same only the frame changed.
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

Yes you can add the lights later. How many strands will depend on the frame model you have. The G1 had a box frame and takes fewer lights to wrap around the box frame as the box is placed about half way from the center of the screen to the edge.. The new G2 frame has a channel built into the frame for the LED lights and runs along the edge of the screen requiring a longer strand of light tape. If you reach behind your screen and feel a 3" frame then you have the G2. if you cannot reach the frame with a finger then you have the box frame and a G1 series Zero Edge. FYI the material is the same only the frame changed.


Blake, can you check and see if you got a PM from me? If not, could you PM me please. I'm not sure mine is working. Thanks.
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Can someone tell me how the black diamond has evolved over the last few years? I'm curious how a black diamond that was purchased a couple years ago is different from the current black diamond. Is there a model number somewhere on the screen that I can use to get the specs of the screen and when it was made?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks...
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Hello. I am going to get my first projector & screen. I just got & really like the 64f8500, but still want a bigger screen. So, I can exchange the plasma for a projector. This is where Im at and I would appreciate any & all help on this since I dont know much about these setups.

Right know Im thinking Epson 5020 & a 110" 2:35 to 1 SI screen. I want it to be good to last longterm 5-10yrs, but dont want to spend over 2.5k on projector or 1.5k on screen. I have no idea if its better to put more $ in projector or screen (I would guess projector).

epson 5020
110" SI (what is the difference between the reference & performance)(I would love a BD, but their too much this time, unless a lesser $ projector combined with a BD screen would look better?)
Thinking .085 grey is best. I want lowest blacks possible & I have the ideal viewing environment. Ive read that a grey screen would work good with a bright projector (epson5020 is 2400 lumens).

Are their other brands that are better (I dont want to spend too much 3-4k).

If theres a better thread to get help on this, let me know. Thanks
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Originally Posted by howletus View Post

Can someone tell me how the black diamond has evolved over the last few years? I'm curious how a black diamond that was purchased a couple years ago is different from the current black diamond. Is there a model number somewhere on the screen that I can use to get the specs of the screen and when it was made?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks...

A lot has changed depending on the screen gain. Do you own a BD .8 or BD 1.4 or however unlikely a BD 2.7. We are now on our Black Diamond 4K material and the BD1.4 4K material is several shades darker than previous versions. Feel free to call me to chat and see what you have and how it compares to what we are now producing.
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Blake. I just ordered a BD zero edge here on AVS last week. Does this mean that I will be getting the latest version of the screen, what you said was 4K ready?
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Hello. I am going to get my first projector & screen. I just got & really like the 64f8500, but still want a bigger screen. So, I can exchange the plasma for a projector. This is where Im at and I would appreciate any & all help on this since I dont know much about these setups.

Right know Im thinking Epson 5020 & a 110" 2:35 to 1 SI screen. I want it to be good to last longterm 5-10yrs, but dont want to spend over 2.5k on projector or 1.5k on screen. I have no idea if its better to put more $ in projector or screen (I would guess projector).

epson 5020
110" SI (what is the difference between the reference & performance)(I would love a BD, but their too much this time, unless a lesser $ projector combined with a BD screen would look better?)
Thinking .085 grey is best. I want lowest blacks possible & I have the ideal viewing environment. Ive read that a grey screen would work good with a bright projector (epson5020 is 2400 lumens).

Are their other brands that are better (I dont want to spend too much 3-4k).

If theres a better thread to get help on this, let me know. Thanks

The Epson 5020 is not a good match with a 2.35 screen. The 5020 does not have lens memory, nor does it have power zoom, powered lens shift and powered focus. The JVC projectors have lens memory. Please give us a call and we can discuss specifics and pricing.
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post #3167 of 3549
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Originally Posted by mblobster View Post

Blake. I just ordered a BD zero edge here on AVS last week. Does this mean that I will be getting the latest version of the screen, what you said was 4K ready?

Yes you are getting the latest and greatest 4k materials.
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Where do these Pure Zero Edge fit in the portfolio? What is the recommended use?
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View Post

Where do these Pure Zero Edge fit in the portfolio? What is the recommended use?

Any place you put a wall screen like http://www.avsforum.com/t/932169/black-diamond-from-screen-innovations/3150#post_23242189
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Any news on a perforated product?
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

A lot has changed depending on the screen gain. Do you own a BD .8 or BD 1.4 or however unlikely a BD 2.7. We are now on our Black Diamond 4K material and the BD1.4 4K material is several shades darker than previous versions. Feel free to call me to chat and see what you have and how it compares to what we are now producing.

How do you know which screen I have? Has the BD .8 changed the last 2 years? How do I know if I have the newer or older?
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

Yes you can add the lights later. How many strands will depend on the frame model you have. The G1 had a box frame and takes fewer lights to wrap around the box frame as the box is placed about half way from the center of the screen to the edge.. The new G2 frame has a channel built into the frame for the LED lights and runs along the edge of the screen requiring a longer strand of light tape. If you reach behind your screen and feel a 3" frame then you have the G2. if you cannot reach the frame with a finger then you have the box frame and a G1 series Zero Edge. FYI the material is the same only the frame changed.


There's a box frame but it's about 6" from the edge of the screen, bringing the screen 1.5" away fromt the wall. Is this the old G1?
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Also, can someone tell me if I have a bright room with windows behind, and to the side, do I get the 1.4 Gain or .8 gain? I thought reading somewhere that the Black Diamonds were opposite of what is normal screens in terms of gain?

I might be getting a larger screen since currently my throw is only 13'. In the new house my throw is 18-19 feet so looks like I'm going bigger screen. I'm currently using epson 5010. Any suggestions on what projector to use with the bigger screen?
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

A lot has changed depending on the screen gain. Do you own a BD .8 or BD 1.4 or however unlikely a BD 2.7. We are now on our Black Diamond 4K material and the BD1.4 4K material is several shades darker than previous versions. Feel free to call me to chat and see what you have and how it compares to what we are now producing.

Does the new BD 4K material have a less noticeable optical coating than the previous versions? I really like the screen but it seems to sparkle quite a bit in bright scenes in most of the demos I've had, even from quite a distance away.
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This question was posed over a week ago. I'm hoping Blake of someone from SI will respond to it as I am wondering the same thing.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

The Epson 5020 is not a good match with a 2.35 screen. The 5020 does not have lens memory, nor does it have power zoom, powered lens shift and powered focus. The JVC projectors have lens memory. Please give us a call and we can discuss specifics and pricing.

Why not just add a panamorph lens? Even manual sled to remove it for non-2:35 material should work - yes?
I am considering getting a 2:35 with a Sony 50es (which also has no lens memory or powered zoom etc.)
My plan is get the 50es with the anamorphic manual lens and a large 2:35 BD 1.4 screen.
Won't this work?
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Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

Why not just add a panamorph lens? Even manual sled to remove it for non-2:35 material should work - yes?
I am considering getting a 2:35 with a Sony 50es (which also has no lens memory or powered zoom etc.)
My plan is get the 50es with the anamorphic manual lens and a large 2:35 BD 1.4 screen.
Won't this work?

Steve, the Sony VPL-HW50ES and the Epson 5020UB don't have the vertical stretch modes to scale the image for Anamorphic Lens support. The Epson 6020 does.

You could always get an Oppo BD Player or an external VP to do the scaling.
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I haven't use the Sony with an A-lens but according to Panamorph it has V-stretch mode for it.
http://www.panamorph.com/cinevista/whats_needed.html
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

Steve, the Sony VPL-HW50ES and the Epson 5020UB don't have the vertical stretch modes to scale the image for Anamorphic Lens support. The Epson 6020 does.

You could always get an Oppo BD Player or an external VP to do the scaling.

I am planning to get the OPPO.. Didn't realize it had that feature!

My point is: just because a project doesn't have power zoom/lens, doesn't mean one has to dismiss getting a 2:35 screen.
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

I haven't use the Sony with an A-lens but according to Panamorph it has V-stretch mode for it.
http://www.panamorph.com/cinevista/whats_needed.html

Bob, I have an email from Sony somewhere that says it doesn't. They told me one would have to step up to the VW95. If it does then that's great!

I think there's a lot of misinformation going around due to lack of crosstalk from engineers to marketing perhaps.

For instance, I was originally told by Panamoprh that the BenQ W7000 would support V-Stretch in 3D mode but it has since been verified it does not. This could be due to the updated firmware it received.

In no way am I blaming Panamorph as things could change from what was originally told to them and then specs change before product launch or firmware updates happen.
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