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post #3241 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Xzibit190 View Post

Anyone seen a zero edge using the floating method and LED's on? I'm curious how they'll look but haven't been able to find any images.
We have loaded new videos on the web site. The Pure Zero Edge video actually shows off the led lights in the video the best.
post #3242 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post

We have loaded new videos on the web site. The Pure Zero Edge video actually shows off the led lights in the video the best.


Blake, is the new LED system ready?
post #3243 of 3545
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Originally Posted by mnj1987 View Post

I ordered a Black Diamond 110" Fixed Screen with a 1.4 gain. Was suppose to be installed on Tuesday but now its postponed til the 21st. I was just wondering cause it apparently got order on the 11 or so of May and still hasn't left the states yet to go to Australia frown.gif .. taking so long!
we build and ship most screens within 2 weeks of order or less. Shipping a zero to Australia simply takes a while. Feel free to email the factory and we can track the order for you.
post #3244 of 3545
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Blake, is the new LED system ready?
Soon, like two or three weeks.
post #3245 of 3545
Blake,
I just ordered BD Zero Edge 144" 1.4 gain, 2:35.1 screen yesterday. I didnt realized you all are rolling out a new LED system. Will my screen have the new LED system? Can a delay the delivery if until its ready if within the next month? Want to make sure I am getting the latest and greatest and dont miss out by a week or two? This will be my second BD and can't wait to get it up on the wall.

thx,
Jim
post #3246 of 3545
I joined AVSforum just for this particular thread on Black Diamond Screens ! All i can say is I am amazed by what this opulence beast can deliver. BlakeV ! I would like to order the 144" zero edge for my new home. Can you please pretty please ship it to Malaysia for me ? I am willing to pay for the shipping and whatever is required to get this amazing screen home here ! Please help me out !
post #3247 of 3545
Hi
I am a new member. First post here.

Concerning calibration of the BD

I did both manual and auto calibration (125 pts CMS) with no problems and with excellent results.

I have a 106 inch BD zero edge 16:9 and gain is 1.4


For calibration I used:

Spectrophotometer : C6
Video processor and pattern generator: Lumagen Radiance mini 3D
Software: CalMan5 from Spectracal
Method: Rec 709
Gamma: 2.2-2.3
delta t: less than 1% (usually 3% is acceptable)

Projector: Panasonic PT-AE8000/PT-AT6000
Auto lens: Off
All other projector processing (noise reduction..etc) was turned off
Calibration was done using Rec709 setting on the projector (because it gave reading closest to the desired calibration like color temp: 6500 kelvin, gamma, ...etc)
Darbee visual enhancer was turned off during calibration
Lamp life: 800 "ish" hours
Calibration was done after 2 hours of turning everything on
Calibration was done from the screen it self (no directly from the projector lens)
To verify results i used HD709 and WOW blue ray disks
and some titles: Samsara, Avatar, nine, Batman the last knight, Wall-E and others (native 1080p and 24 fps)

Audio setup:

Speaker: KEF T series (surrounds)
Fronts and center: B and W MT60 mini home theater
Sub: B and W PV1D (pressure vessel model 1 Digital sound procesing or DSP)
Sub is sitting on: Auralux Subdude
Bass equalizer (filter): DSpeaker
Pre amp: Emotiva UMC-200 (7.1)
Power amp: Emotiva UPA-700 (7.1) 80 watts per channel (with 8 ohm load speakers)
Blue ray player: Panasonic BDT-500
Room treated with custom acoustic panels and bass trappers, diffuser, absorbers..etc.


I am currently finishing my home theater.

I will post photo as soon as i am done (showing equipment used).

thanks
Edited by Salloom - 6/7/13 at 9:08am
post #3248 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Jim Parys View Post

Blake,
I just ordered BD Zero Edge 144" 1.4 gain, 2:35.1 screen yesterday. I didnt realized you all are rolling out a new LED system. Will my screen have the new LED system? Can a delay the delivery if until its ready if within the next month? Want to make sure I am getting the latest and greatest and dont miss out by a week or two? This will be my second BD and can't wait to get it up on the wall.

thx,
Jim

Hi Jim. In case you didn't know....the LED system is a separate item and is not included with your screen. So unless you ordered it too, you can just wait until the new LED system is ready and get it. wink.gif
post #3249 of 3545
I did order it with the screen. My dealer placed the order a couple days ago.
post #3250 of 3545
Anyone know any details regarding the new LED system that was mentioned to be released in a few weeks? I am looking to order a 115in zero edge soon and want to make sure I order the new LEDs along with it (assuming it is worth the wait).
post #3251 of 3545
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Originally Posted by JBRedZ28 View Post

Anyone know any details regarding the new LED system that was mentioned to be released in a few weeks? I am looking to order a 115in zero edge soon and want to make sure I order the new LEDs along with it (assuming it is worth the wait).


I think it will have more colors, several programming options, and include 6500 Kelvin.
post #3252 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post

We have loaded new videos on the web site. The Pure Zero Edge video actually shows off the led lights in the video the best.

SI is still missing a couple good videos they had recently put up but then no longer available... sucks cause they were really good ones. The pure zero edge vids show off the typical LED back lighting without the floating method, if they do show it then it must be very close to a wall and not what I'm looking for as I float mine in a corner which puts the screen about 2-3 ft away from the screen in areas and 4-5 ft away from a ceiling.
post #3253 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Jim Parys View Post

I did order it with the screen. My dealer placed the order a couple days ago.

Same boat only screen being delivered today (assuming LED kit will be in the same shipment). Can we exchange the old kit for new if it's unopened?
post #3254 of 3545
I realize this is an amazing screen and I absolutely want it but is the Black Diamond 1.4 screen going to be worth the cost difference in a truly dedicated lights off all the time theater room over a standard screen like Carada? Is it overkill for a light controlled theater?
post #3255 of 3545
I'm sure others will chime in with first hand experience but what overhead, there's no reason to get this screen in a light controlled room. I'm looking as I want to as I want to have some lights on for sports and Super Bowl parties.
post #3256 of 3545
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View Post

I'm sure others will chime in with first hand experience but what overhead, there's no reason to get this screen in a light controlled room. I'm looking as I want to as I want to have some lights on for sports and Super Bowl parties.

That is kind of what had assumed. Thanks for your input.
post #3257 of 3545
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View Post

I'm sure others will chime in with first hand experience but what overhead, there's no reason to get this screen in a light controlled room. I'm looking as I want to as I want to have some lights on for sports and Super Bowl parties.

I've heard this a few times, but I've also heard the opposing point of view. In a light controlled room, the advantage of the BD is that it will greatly reduce the light bounced off of the screen onto the ceiling/floor/walls. Not only is that an advantage for the video experience, but it also allows for rooms that do not have dark walls, floors, and/or ceilings to have a great picture.

I helped my friend install a BD last summer, and I have to agree that I prefer that reduction of light bounced off the screen. It allowed me to be drawn in to the movie more.

Dave
post #3258 of 3545
One of the bigger issues with reflective light is that it will effectively be reflected back to the screen. The lighter your walls, ceilings and floors the worse it will be. Reflected light will wash out the main projected image. Therefore, in these situations the BD should help out even if the room is light controlled. One of my buddies has a 120" in fairly shallow room and his image looks terrible in any scene where the amount of light is significant (ie daylight scenes). I have calibrated his projector but it is still bad.
I would say, if you want to maintain your wall/ceiling/ceiling colors (and if they are light of course), you may want to consider a BD or similar which rejects off axis reflective light.
post #3259 of 3545
I had not thought about it that way. Interesting...
post #3260 of 3545
My dedicated room includes dark brown walls and ceilings, as well as dark brown carpet. The speakers are all of course black and the two rows of theater seats are both brown. Currently the bright scenes look amazing with great contrast. I am trying to improve the dark areas of the scenes and the darker scenes but was curious if the BD will help with that. I have closed the iris on the projector down completely and it is being run on low lamp. I plan to buy a screen that has a bit of gain 1.1-1.6 and was leaning toward the Carada BW. The BD is a bit out of my price range but I believe I can get a good deal (I live in Austin where they are made).

I do not believe my room lends much reflective light currently and it will only improve as my wife has OK'ed putting up some black velvet/felt around the front 1/4 of the room. It will eventually have curtains around the screen and the first 3 feet from the screen wall to help absorb even more light. In addition it has 10 foot ceilings and so the light from the ceiling is likely not hitting the screen either.
post #3261 of 3545
It looks then like your projector is where you are hitting your limits. It may be lack of calibration or it may be inherent to the technology used in your projector. Either way, you should check your gamma. If you are loosing details in either (both as well) dark or bright scenes.
I have calibrated plasmas, LCDs front panels and LCD and DLNA projectors and having a good gamma curve makes a lot of difference in shadow detail (bright or dark). Projectors and TVs with poor gamma makes images look flat; a typical example is when you are viewing a scene where you get a person in a dark suit taking a good 40% of the screen and the suit looks flat, no detail or creases. Off course, you still need good contrast, but the gamma curve has to be around 2.2 to get optimum results.
post #3262 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post

We
we build and ship most screens within 2 weeks of order or less. Shipping a zero to Australia simply takes a while. Feel free to email the factory and we can track the order for you.

Blake,

When will you have the motorized 4k 1.4 offered in 2:35:1??
post #3263 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Blake,

When will you have the motorized 4k 1.4 offered in 2:35:1??

I second that question! Actually, the 4k .8 in 2:35:1...

Dave
post #3264 of 3545
Blake - I'd also like to know if there are any videos that show the 1.4 material vs the .8 material? Pictures at least? I realize every setting is going to be different with differing results, but I'd still like to see an example.

Thanks,
Dave
post #3265 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post

We
we build and ship most screens within 2 weeks of order or less. Shipping a zero to Australia simply takes a while. Feel free to email the factory and we can track the order for you.

Until now the supplier here in Sydney has not received the screen. The service from screen innovations on getting their screens out internationally is just not acceptable. It has taken more than 6 weeks since the order was placed for the screen, and still not installed in my media room. My screen is not even a Zero Edge, Its a 110" Fixed Frame Black Diamond 2.35:1.
On the upside I have received confirmation that the screen has left the U.S. but that was at the beginning of last week. The shipping method used was not even priority international, cause if it was I'd have it by now. What kind of service is this SI!!!!

Screen Innovations get your act together. Consumers pay top dollar for your screens here in Australia and this is how you treat them. I was expecting excellent service, but i got totally the opposite.

Sorry about the rant everyone but I just want anyone In Australia to be aware if ordering a screen from SI be ready for long wait times. Its quite ridiculous actually.
Edited by mnj1987 - 6/19/13 at 5:04pm
post #3266 of 3545
Has anyone received a BD Zero Edge with the new LED kit?
post #3267 of 3545
Which BD screen would work best. Screen will be used initially for a living room during the day and at night. At night gets pretty dark but definitely ambient light and white walls/ceilings. In a few months will be moving the screen to a poker room and of course the lights will be on. What BD screen would be the best? 1.4 Gain?

Pairing with the JVC RS60u. I heard that the RS60u is really optimal on a 100" screen. Using BD is it possible to go up to a 110" 16x9 or would you recommend staying with a 100". Any loss in picture quality by going to the 110" with this projector?
post #3268 of 3545
I suggest to get the 2.7 gain. I do have 1.4 in home theater room (matt black ceiling and dark wall) and find the picture to be dim when i turn the spot lights on (using a Panasonic AET8000 projector).

I do not think you will losing much on shadow detail, especially with the JVC reference projector. On the other hand JVC projectors are known for being little dimmer so the 2.7 gain would compensate.

I would stick with 100 inch instead of the 110, going up in size does not hurt the picture quality but brightness will be lowered (because the same bulb with the same lumens output are is used to project a larger image).

Also, as you go up in size, artifacts will be more noticeable (not the projector or the player fault but of the media).

Artifacts are always present but you could not notice them because size was smaller (think of it as holding a magnifying glass or zooming in with your camera while taking a photo).
post #3269 of 3545
I went to Magnolia to see the Stewart in person. They had a 130" perforated Firehwak. JVC X70 and U480 lens.

This was a total light control theater room. The blacks were good but didn't make you go WOW. Then when I put the Studiotek Sample, on the screen, blacks were pretty much gone, the image and detail, whites and colors popped. very nice but the blacks suffered. Now if this is in a dedicated theater, in my living room, it would be crushed. You could totally see a big difference from 12 feet away. To my surprise, putting a Firehawk sample next to the firehawk perforated screen, from 12 feet away, no difference.

Then I went to the other room where they had a older version of the black diamond, and WOW. Maybe the colors were not as accurate (hard to tell since the screens were not side by side), but the blacks were kinda Kuro like. This room had a galss door next to the projector so it was't even fully dark.

So it seems to me that maybe BD in this case, for my living room would be a better choice. I know the screen has a hint of blue but I'm sure it can be calibrated out.

I'm just afraid to get the studiotek and not be happy with the blacks. I guess Im used to my Kuro too much
post #3270 of 3545
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Originally Posted by thezaks View Post

Blake - I'd also like to know if there are any videos that show the 1.4 material vs the .8 material? Pictures at least? I realize every setting is going to be different with differing results, but I'd still like to see an example.

Thanks,
Dave

I guess we're still waiting for Blake.....

Dave
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