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post #3391 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

You are welcome to come by the factory for a demo of both our .8 and 1.4 gain BD and feel free to bring your projector. We do not sell direct however, you would still need to buy from an authorized re seller.

Where's the factory? What demo rooms with what projectors do you have setup?
post #3392 of 3545
I thought I would chime in here. I recently updated my screen and projector. I previously made my own DIY 100" screen which was paired with the Sony VPL-VW11HT projector.

3 months ago, I got the Screen Innovations Black Diamond 106" screen with 1.4 gain. Also picked up the Panasonic PT-AE8000 projector. I am loving it. My room was troublesome in that I have an ambient light situation which limited my viewing even when trying to control the room light. Now I can watch with the lights on and the contrast is pretty much preserved.

http://www3.bell.net/josephneil/~orange1/htpics/ for more info
post #3393 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Neil Joseph View Post

I thought I would chime in here. I recently updated my screen and projector. I previously made my own DIY 100" screen which was paired with the Sony VPL-VW11HT projector.

3 months ago, I got the Screen Innovations Black Diamond 106" screen with 1.4 gain. Also picked up the Panasonic PT-AE8000 projector. I am loving it. My room was troublesome in that I have an ambient light situation which limited my viewing even when trying to control the room light. Now I can watch with the lights on and the contrast is pretty much preserved.

http://www3.bell.net/josephneil/~orange1/htpics/ for more info

Nice picks man!
post #3394 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

Where's the factory? What demo rooms with what projectors do you have setup?

We are in Austin and have Epson 6030, Sony VPL1000, JVC, Panasonic 8000U, and a few others.
post #3395 of 3545
Does anyone know the difference between the Pure Zero Edge and the Black Diamond Zero Edge? Is the Pure for dark environments and the Black Diamond for lighter environments?
post #3396 of 3545
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Originally Posted by ch1sox View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the Pure Zero Edge and the Black Diamond Zero Edge? Is the Pure for dark environments and the Black Diamond for lighter environments?

Pure White or Gray Zero Edge is for dark room viewing only. Pure Zero Edge has the same frame design and zero edge bezel as the BD Zero Edge. The optional LED back lighting is also available.
Black Diamond zero edge works with the lights on or off and also has an optional LED back lighting system.
post #3397 of 3545
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Originally Posted by BlakeSI View Post

Pure White or Gray Zero Edge is for dark room viewing only. Pure Zero Edge has the same frame design and zero edge bezel as the BD Zero Edge. The optional LED back lighting is also available.
Black Diamond zero edge works with the lights on or off and also has an optional LED back lighting system.

Right on, thanks for clearing that up.
Edited by ch1sox - 12/6/13 at 9:47pm
post #3398 of 3545
I am thinking about getting one of the Zero Edge screens for a basement half playroom / half theater set up. However the specific location were I'd like to put the screen is a little complicated in terms of mounting options. The screen location is in front of a blackout curtain (so standard wall mount is not an option) and directly above is an air duct (so I think the flown mounts are also not possible).

What other options do I have here? Is it feasible to build something against the wall above the blackout curtains to mount the flown mounts about ~5 inches off the wall? How much weight would such a contraption need to support for a ~100" screen w/ LEDs?

Are there stands which can be used to place a Zero Edge screen on? I thought I read in one of the reviews that these were used for reviewing purposes, and I have a very large and sturdy Standout Designs media center which my current TV is on.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or ideas.
post #3399 of 3545
I have a 100" .8 gain zero edge screen, and it's pretty awesome. I had the 5010 on it, and at night it looked like a plasma, best part was it didn't deflect light onto the walls & ceilings.

I'm about to upgrade my projector, to either the 5030 or HW55.. My brother is also setting up his home theater as well.

So my question is when is it appropriate to get the .8 gain vs. 1.4? What are the pros/cons of one vs. the other. I've been on this thread for a while but I don't think Blake or anyone has really listed it out. I'm assuming .8 is better for night watching since 1.4 might have hot spots? and 1.4 is for really bright ambient light daytime?

Everyone talks about the 1.4, so I'm wondering why a .8 even exists?

The .8 I had during the day looked pretty good, albeit the 5010 was a light canon and if I had blinds open watching football I put it on torch mode.

Contemplating selling my brother my .8 screen and moving to a 1.4, possibly even going a bit bigger wink.gif Just not sure the $$ would be worth the switch since I'm not sure the difference would be. I do have LOTS of windows in my new place.
Edited by gadgetfreaky - 12/10/13 at 11:03am
post #3400 of 3545
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Originally Posted by menglish6 View Post

I am thinking about getting one of the Zero Edge screens for a basement half playroom / half theater set up. However the specific location were I'd like to put the screen is a little complicated in terms of mounting options. The screen location is in front of a blackout curtain (so standard wall mount is not an option) and directly above is an air duct (so I think the flown mounts are also not possible).

What other options do I have here? Is it feasible to build something against the wall above the blackout curtains to mount the flown mounts about ~5 inches off the wall? How much weight would such a contraption need to support for a ~100" screen w/ LEDs?

Are there stands which can be used to place a Zero Edge screen on? I thought I read in one of the reviews that these were used for reviewing purposes, and I have a very large and sturdy Standout Designs media center which my current TV is on.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or ideas.

We have a flying kit for the zero Edge family of products. We use thin aircraft rated cables to "fly" the screen from the ceiling.
post #3401 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

I have a 100" .8 gain zero edge screen, and it's pretty awesome. I had the 5010 on it, and at night it looked like a plasma, best part was it didn't deflect light onto the walls & ceilings.

I'm about to upgrade my projector, to either the 5030 or HW55.. My brother is also setting up his home theater as well.

So my question is when is it appropriate to get the .8 gain vs. 1.4? What are the pros/cons of one vs. the other. I've been on this thread for a while but I don't think Blake or anyone has really listed it out. I'm assuming .8 is better for night watching since 1.4 might have hot spots? and 1.4 is for really bright ambient light daytime?

Everyone talks about the 1.4, so I'm wondering why a .8 even exists?

The .8 I had during the day looked pretty good, albeit the 5010 was a light canon and if I had blinds open watching football I put it on torch mode.

Contemplating selling my brother my .8 screen and moving to a 1.4, possibly even going a bit bigger wink.gif Just not sure the $$ would be worth the switch since I'm not sure the difference would be. I do have LOTS of windows in my new place.

Bump smile.gif

Although, anyone looking to buy a 100" .8 gain Zero Edge? PM me, local pickup in manhattan beach, CA . Was thinking of selling it for $1,800 ? Is that a good price? Bestbuy new is $3300. I'll post to classified as well.
This'll give me the chance to upgrade to a bit bigger and 1.4 gain smile.gif
Edited by gadgetfreaky - 12/17/13 at 12:30am
post #3402 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

Bump smile.gif

Although, anyone looking to buy a 100" .8 gain Zero Edge? PM me, local pickup in manhattan beach, CA . Was thinking of selling it for $2K? Is that a good price? I'll post to classified as well.
This'll give me the chance to upgrade to a bit bigger and 1.4 gain smile.gif
I'm hoping to get my 1.4 gain 133" in the next couple weeks and I'll update here with my impressions. The .8 gain is more for dim/dark rooms from my understanding. So if you're like me and have lights on sometimes, the 1.4 is the way to go.
post #3403 of 3545
We're moving into a new house and I had to leave my projector and screen behind.

I purchased the Panasonic 8000u around Black Friday with the rebate deal and now I'm looking for a screen. I've got a potential deal for a new in the box 95" 16:9 Reference Series (Solar HD 1.3) screen. This is through a private party that went with another option. Not sure what this screen would retail for.

I'm going to go back through and read the whole thread, but I'm curious if this is a good screen for this projector. Very dark room, though not totally light controlled, throw distance is about 14 feet (not quite finished moving in yet).

Thanks in advance!
post #3404 of 3545
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Originally Posted by jacksojm View Post

We're moving into a new house and I had to leave my projector and screen behind.

I purchased the Panasonic 8000u around Black Friday with the rebate deal and now I'm looking for a screen. I've got a potential deal for a new in the box 95" 16:9 Reference Series (Solar HD 1.3) screen. This is through a private party that went with another option. Not sure what this screen would retail for.

I'm going to go back through and read the whole thread, but I'm curious if this is a good screen for this projector. Very dark room, though not totally light controlled, throw distance is about 14 feet (not quite finished moving in yet).

Thanks in advance!

Our Solar 1.3 will look great in a completely light controlled "dark" room paired with the pany 8000U. You can also do a 2:35 aspect ratio with that projector without the need of a lense so something to consider.
post #3405 of 3545
Blake - what is the gain of the new Slate material?
post #3406 of 3545
I am building a new home and will have a dedicated home theater with no windows. I will be able to control the lights, going from near zero lighting to dimmed lighting from side pilasters. The walls and ceiling will be painted a neutral gray color.

I am looking for some feedback from owners of the black diamond 2:35 1.4 gain screen who use it in a similar light-controlled home theater. Is it the right type of screen for this application? How happy are you with your screen?

Thanks.
post #3407 of 3545
So I got my Sony HW55 hooked up to my 100" .8 gain screen. The picture looks amazing.. Although during the day it's washed out, even with Sony on "game" mode. It's decently watchable (I don't have drapes on the windows directly behind the projector yet. At night though it's BRIGHT in reference mode. I'm wondering how much brighter the 1.4 would be in a dark room. My throw is a little over 13'. Some scenes it's almost too bright and I could see once in a while a little hot spot in the center of the screen. Great thing is my room is not a dedicated room and this thing absorbs and doesn't reflect light. Gray walls but light gray almost white ceiling and not much light reflects off that. I'll try to take a picture that accurately represents it at night.

The combo makes it look like a 100" plasma at night smile.gif but with a better non reflective picture (no glass of course) and a more film like quality.
post #3408 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

So I got my Sony HW55 hooked up to my 100" .8 gain screen. The picture looks amazing.. Although during the day it's washed out, even with Sony on "game" mode. It's decently watchable (I don't have drapes on the windows directly behind the projector yet. At night though it's BRIGHT in reference mode. I'm wondering how much brighter the 1.4 would be in a dark room. My throw is a little over 13'. Some scenes it's almost too bright and I could see once in a while a little hot spot in the center of the screen. Great thing is my room is not a dedicated room and this thing absorbs and doesn't reflect light. Gray walls but light gray almost white ceiling and not much light reflects off that. I'll try to take a picture that accurately represents it at night.

The combo makes it look like a 100" plasma at night smile.gif but with a better non reflective picture (no glass of course) and a more film like quality.

The .8 gain is more for darker rooms which is why it might be slightly washed out during the day. I should be getting my 1.4 gain screen hopefully soon so I'll report back with my thoughts.
post #3409 of 3545
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Originally Posted by ch1sox View Post

The .8 gain is more for darker rooms which is why it might be slightly washed out during the day. I should be getting my 1.4 gain screen hopefully soon so I'll report back with my thoughts.


yes, I know, just wondering with either then 5030 or the sony 55 the 1.4 might be too bright in a dark room given how bright it is already at .8. Although I guess you can't really have it too bright since you can dial it back on the projector...
post #3410 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

yes, I know, just wondering with either then 5030 or the sony 55 the 1.4 might be too bright in a dark room given how bright it is already at .8. Although I guess you can't really have it too bright since you can dial it back on the projector...

I have the 1.4 in 110" with a 5020 in THX Eco mode and sit a tad under 13' and it's plenty bright but not too bright at all.
post #3411 of 3545
Blake suggested I go with the 1.4 even in a dedicated theater as he said you can always dial back the projector. In fact he said that they might end up discontinuing the 0.8 at some point.
post #3412 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

yes, I know, just wondering with either then 5030 or the sony 55 the 1.4 might be too bright in a dark room given how bright it is already at .8. Although I guess you can't really have it too bright since you can dial it back on the projector...

i don't mean to "thread crap" but you should seriously consider checking out the Stewart Firehawk G4. it's the closest you are going to get for THX certification.
post #3413 of 3545
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

So I got my Sony HW55 hooked up to my 100" .8 gain screen. The picture looks amazing.. Although during the day it's washed out, even with Sony on "game" mode. It's decently watchable (I don't have drapes on the windows directly behind the projector yet. At night though it's BRIGHT in reference mode. I'm wondering how much brighter the 1.4 would be in a dark room. My throw is a little over 13'. Some scenes it's almost too bright and I could see once in a while a little hot spot in the center of the screen. Great thing is my room is not a dedicated room and this thing absorbs and doesn't reflect light. Gray walls but light gray almost white ceiling and not much light reflects off that. I'll try to take a picture that accurately represents it at night.

The combo makes it look like a 100" plasma at night smile.gif but with a better non reflective picture (no glass of course) and a more film like quality.

Your washed out comes from the light behind the projector. The light is coming from the same direction as the projector light and the screen cannot tell the difference. Cover those windows and your wash out issue will be fixed.
post #3414 of 3545
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post

Blake - what is the gain of the new Slate material?

Slate lands between 1.2 and 1.3 gain. We should have a new video in a week or so featuring slate.
post #3415 of 3545
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Originally Posted by JRW2 View Post

Blake suggested I go with the 1.4 even in a dedicated theater as he said you can always dial back the projector. In fact he said that they might end up discontinuing the 0.8 at some point.

I agree we almost never install any .8 anymore. The black levels on the projectors are so good infact on the new Epson 6030/5030 and a BD1.4 I can't tell where the black ends from the picture and the screen is anymore on a 2:35 displaying 16:9 the blacks are so good. Besides it's nice to have the extra light for dark movies, games or 3d. Also it is nice and the I would say to correct thing to have some ambient light on in the room it helps you brain and eyes the whole bat cave thing came about because of dim projectors so extra projector light and gain are great as long as it does not hurt your blacks and contrast.
post #3416 of 3545
I bought an Epson 8350 for a gaming room. The room is on the first floor and experiences some ambient light from the sides and off angles. The picture still looks pretty good with dynamic mode on, but of course I have no blacks whatsoever.

I'm thinking about a 16x9 110" BD Zero 1.4. Where do I get the best price on this screen?

What is this new slate material? How would a customer know which one to choose?

I'm pretty happy with the brightness (in dynamic mode) of the Epson 8350 on a white wall, I'm looking for more contrast though and a little better blacks during the day.

Thanks,
ELmO
post #3417 of 3545
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Originally Posted by elmalloc View Post

I bought an Epson 8350 for a gaming room. The room is on the first floor and experiences some ambient light from the sides and off angles. The picture still looks pretty good with dynamic mode on, but of course I have no blacks whatsoever.

I'm thinking about a 16x9 110" BD Zero 1.4. Where do I get the best price on this screen?

What is this new slate material? How would a customer know which one to choose?

I'm pretty happy with the brightness (in dynamic mode) of the Epson 8350 on a white wall, I'm looking for more contrast though and a little better blacks during the day.

Thanks,
ELmO

Send a PM to Mike, here. http://www.avsforum.com/u/8367889/av-science-sales-5 He should be able to help you with a quote and any questions you might have. We're waiting to to hear more about the Slate. Blake said there should be a new video this month about it. It seems to be a budget friendly screen material from what I've read.
Edited by ch1sox - 1/6/14 at 3:13am
post #3418 of 3545
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

The black levels on the projectors are so good infact on the new Epson 6030/5030 and a BD1.4 I can't tell where the black ends from the picture and the screen is anymore on a 2:35 displaying 16:9 the blacks are so good.

I'm curious what one of these 2.35 screens with the LED look like when showing 16:9 content. Have you seen this situation before? or better yet, do you know where to find a picture...my Google-fu is weak and I can't seem to find any pictures.
post #3419 of 3545
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Originally Posted by menglish6 View Post

I'm curious what one of these 2.35 screens with the LED look like when showing 16:9 content. Have you seen this situation before? or better yet, do you know where to find a picture...my Google-fu is weak and I can't seem to find any pictures.
I have a 133" 2.35 with LED arriving in a couple days. I'll try to get pictures. ...that's if it fits down my stairs, lol. It should be okay as I made a 1:1 replica with rigid foam. That's assuming my calculations were correct.
post #3420 of 3545
Is there any difference between the BDIII and the BD4K, or was the BDIII just renamed to BD4K?

Dave
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