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what do you guys think, would you say this is a correct statement or not? I am trying to understand this 1080i vs 1080p (hddvd, blu-ray stuff)

North american tv's display images at 60hz which means that the screen refreshes 60 times per second. All current movies, and television broadcasts are shot at 24 frames per second, so that means there's 36 frames per second that have to come from somewhere, so the TV or DVD player double the first image, triple the 2nd image and double the 3rd image to come up with 60 required frames per second. so that means you're basiclly seeing the exact same picture at least 2 times (3 times on the odd scans) meaning that a 1080i signal from one of those two sources is capable of displaying the exact same information as a 1080p signal. It's a limitation of the recorded source, not the hardware. That's why there is no difference between 1080p and 1080i when watching movies or hdtv on a 1080i set
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Well, you are right in that it's hard to notice a difference between 1080i and 1080p on an actual 1080i set (usually a CRT RPTV, like mine). You are also correct in thinking that a 1080p image can be constructed from a 1080i signal, and vice versa, thus the hullaballoo from...ahem...certain people about 1080i component not being good enough are just plain wrong in every way.

But for HD DVD players, I'm not sure how they turn the 1080/24p signal off the disc into analog out. It could be 30fps or 60fps, I'm not really sure, and I'm not sure if they keep the 3:2 interlacing pull-down that LD and DVD used.
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80-85% of HD displays sold to date cannot do 1080p. The vast majority of sets that can do 1080p have built-in de-interlacing as all broadcast HD is either 720p or 1080i and they must do the de-interlacing to 1080p. The only 1080p native sources at this time are Blu-ray and HD DVD. Basically, the only way to see a difference between 1080i and 1080p is if the display can do 1080p at 24fps(frames pure second) at a 72Hz refresh rate and no 3:2 pull down is needed. Then signal pull down is done at 3:3 for a smoother image. Otherwise you are just buying the de-interlacing capabilities twice, once in your 1080p display and once again in your hi-def movie player.

For a more through explanation of 1080i v 1080p, 3:2 pull down, and refresh rates check this link. http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/
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80-85% of HD displays sold to date cannot do 1080p. The vast majority of sets that can do 1080p have built-in de-interlacing as all broadcast HD is either 720p or 1080i and they must do the de-interlacing to 1080p. The only 1080p native sources at this time are Blu-ray and HD DVD. Basically, the only way to see a difference between 1080i and 1080p is if the display can do 1080p at 24fps(frames pure second) at a 72Hz refresh rate and no 3:2 pull down is needed. Then signal pull down is done at 3:3 for a smoother image. Otherwise you are just buying the de-interlacing capabilities twice, once in your 1080p display and once again in your hi-def movie player.

For a more through explanation of 1080i v 1080p, 3:2 pull down, and refresh rates check this link. http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

website was EXACTLY what I was trying to figure out! Thanks guys!!
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Originally Posted by elixir4001 View Post

what do you guys think, would you say this is a correct statement or not? I am trying to understand this 1080i vs 1080p (hddvd, blu-ray stuff)

North american tv's display images at 60hz which means that the screen refreshes 60 times per second. All current movies, and television broadcasts are shot at 24 frames per second, so that means there's 36 frames per second that have to come from somewhere, so the TV or DVD player double the first image, triple the 2nd image and double the 3rd image to come up with 60 required frames per second. so that means you're basiclly seeing the exact same picture at least 2 times (3 times on the odd scans) meaning that a 1080i signal from one of those two sources is capable of displaying the exact same information as a 1080p signal. It's a limitation of the recorded source, not the hardware. That's why there is no difference between 1080p and 1080i when watching movies or hdtv on a 1080i set

That's the theory. The practice is somewhat different.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/1106hook/
...First up was the deinterlacing test. The bad news is that 54.09 percent of the 61 sets failed.
...The 3:2 test results were far more disastrous, with a failure rate of 80.33 percent...
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