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post #121 of 9206
All;

In short, this is an excellent value at its price. If you are looking for features this is the one to buy.

There is no comparison in PQ to the Epson 6100. The Viewsonic is better, without question.

I watched Cars with the kids and wife. My 2 year old sat immersed in the film. He thought it was real. The colors were amazing, especially the reds. So much saturation, beautiful.

New bulbs will tend to be very bright, and wash out blacks. That said, the black levels are pretty good, and I expect they will be a tad better as the bulb breaks in. Not anywhere near the JVCs, but pretty damn good for this price. I may try a ND filter, undecided at this point... Sharpness is very, very good. Better than anything I have ever hung from the rafters!

My PJ had recent firmware, so no yo-yo. The iris seems a little slow compared to the Mistubishi HC6500 I looked at. The Mitsu does have a better Iris design. The Viewsonic is very acceptable.

The menu system is not great, but it is easy once you get the hang of it. You push left to go right sometimes, strange, but who cares once it is set up.

So far we love it. This is my 7th projector and I feel it is the best deal I have had on a PJ. Power everything, quiet, sharp, and ...

...cool! This projector makes very little heat juxtaposed to the DLPs I have had. In my old home I had to run A/C to view a complete movie without falling asleep. I had four ceiling A/C ducts in that home as the room was designed as a theater.

My new home has one duct, in the floor. I knew it would be an issue and had planned to add more. The cost was amazing. We have a new home built with webbed Ibeams to keep the cooling between the floors (We live in Oregon, green living is popular here / loving the new electric bills at half the cost of our old home even with 1000 more sf.) The floor need to come out in many sections to add the duct. Ouch. I am so glad this projector runs cool. We did not need the added expense.

This hobby is so rewarding, this morning my kids were jumping on the bed saying "Movie Dad, movie." Fun!

The bottom line: we love the projector. Amazing for the price, most reviews were favorable at $5000 MSRP. It is a steal at closeout pricing.

Bryan
post #122 of 9206
Thanks Bryan for a great on hands review.Seems like a great deal.
post #123 of 9206
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanemerson View Post

All;

In short, this is an excellent value at its price. If you are looking for features this is the one to buy.

There is no comparison in PQ to the Epson 6100. The Viewsonic is better, without question.

I watched Cars with the kids and wife. My 2 year old sat immersed in the film. He thought it was real. The colors were amazing, especially the reds. So much saturation, beautiful.

New bulbs will tend to be very bright, and wash out blacks. That said, the black levels are pretty good, and I expect they will be a tad better as the bulb breaks in. Not anywhere near the JVCs, but pretty damn good for this price. I may try a ND filter, undecided at this point... Sharpness is very, very good. Better than anything I have ever hung from the rafters!

My PJ had recent firmware, so no yo-yo. The iris seems a little slow compared to the Mistubishi HC6500 I looked at. The Mitsu does have a better Iris design. The Viewsonic is very acceptable.

The menu system is not great, but it is easy once you get the hang of it. You push left to go right sometimes, strange, but who cares once it is set up.

So far we love it. This is my 7th projector and I feel it is the best deal I have had on a PJ. Power everything, quiet, sharp, and ...

...cool! This projector makes very little heat juxtaposed to the DLPs I have had. In my old home I had to run A/C to view a complete movie without falling asleep. I had four ceiling A/C ducts in that home as the room was designed as a theater.

My new home has one duct, in the floor. I knew it would be an issue and had planned to add more. The cost was amazing. We have a new home built with webbed Ibeams to keep the cooling between the floors (We live in Oregon, green living is popular here / loving the new electric bills at half the cost of our old home even with 1000 more sf.) The floor need to come out in many sections to add the duct. Ouch. I am so glad this projector runs cool. We did not need the added expense.

This hobby is so rewarding, this morning my kids were jumping on the bed saying "Movie Dad, movie." Fun!

The bottom line: we love the projector. Amazing for the price, most reviews were favorable at $5000 MSRP. It is a steal at closeout pricing.

Bryan

Great review, however, how about the brightness? I need to use it in a room with dim light or leaking sunshine. Do you think the 1200 lumen is bright enough? Thanks
post #124 of 9206
Bouda78
What do you mean by saying "set your source to ycpr 4:2:2"? I've never seen that as an option on my Oppo DVD player. Could it be called something else on different sources?
post #125 of 9206
MIAB, if you enter to the video setup page choose colour space its contain RGB(LIMITED 16-255), FULL RGB(0-255 COMPUTER MONITOR), YCPR 4:2:2(WORKS AS 12BIT COLOR SYSTEM) OR 601 , YCPR 4:4:4(TRUE 10 BIT) OR 701.
select for my calibration ycpr 4:2:2 enjoy .
post #126 of 9206
In regard to the brightnes question:

I have a Stewart Firehawk G2 100". The projector throws a brighter image than my Optima HD80 ever did with better contrast. I hooked up my Tivo III HD last night and watched some discovery with the windows wide open. Our window coverings have not come in yet, so it is a terrible setup with three huge windows on one side of the room. The projector is very bright. Art mentions this in his review.

The Epson 6100 was brighter, If you have light in the room that can not be controlled in any fashion you may want the extra lumens. IMHO, the brightness is not in any way worth all of the things you get by puchasing the Viewsonic. It is a far better projector in all but the worst possible lighting conditions. Buy the Viewsonic and spend the difference on blinds!

Again, I am very happy with this unit. My family watched the "Lightning" special on Discovery and we were all blown away. Again, we have had FP systems for years so the family is used to the large image. The impression is not simply the new FP wow you get with your first unit.

The projector made the best 3D looking images I have ever had in my home. Some of the scenes were lifelike. Especially sky/tree/canyon flyovers. Amazing. $1300? Unreal.

I know there are better products. I live 1 mile from a dealer with a Meridian MF10 in a bat cave. It is awesome. If you have the budget, I am sure the RS20 is much better (but perhaps not as sharp/bright/quiet) than the Pro8100. However, if you can live with blacks that are not as black as the best of the pack, you will be blown away by this projector. It really is that good.

Considering my thoughts are purely subjective, I need to again mention I did not feel this way at all about the Epson 6100. I knew it was going back after the first calibration/movie. The Viewsonic will stay.
post #127 of 9206
ok, i have a question.

i really like the panny 3000 lense memory.

i want a 2:35 screen, and set a projector up for it. but when i watch a 1:85 or anything in between. can i manualy adjust the picture to fit the 2:35 screen, height wise ? i know it will have black bars on the sides, but that is ok.

i have never had a projector. just my to 32" lcd's and my mitsu 65" dlp.

thanx
post #128 of 9206
oh. this would be on a 90-100" diagonal screen. 10-12' veiwing/projecting distance.
post #129 of 9206
My Pro8100 should be arriving this week. First projector owned. I'm upgrading from a 65" Mitsubishi 1080p DLP.

I've enjoyed reading this thread.

Question: What length HDMI cable comes boxed with the projector? I can't find that answer anywhere. Thanks.
post #130 of 9206
Thank you Bouda78, some more questions.

I found the setting in the projector but it does not have the same choices you mentioned. It has RGB , YCbCr, YPbPr, and auto. Would I choose YPbPr.
Also I cannot find where you would adjust the Gain and Offset of R,G,B that you mention in your calibration settings. But so far I'm loving this projector and with your setting it is much nicer than out of the box. I did like a Gamma of 2.0 more than the default 2.2 for the movies under HQV.

Another thing after updating the firmware is that I can no longer Save user settings 1 and 2. They are not highlighted under the Memory menu slection.

My Panasonic Blu-Ray won't allow sending 24fps. It won't allow me to select this setting. Everyone says the Viewsonic Pro8100 does 24p but why is the player not seeing the capabilities in the projector?

Sorry for so many questions.
post #131 of 9206
Has anyone else noticed these vertical stripes on image, but only in certain colors with some material?

I have never noticed these with HD material and some of the SD DVDs, but with some animated movies (pixar bugs life, the incredibles for example, but not in monsters inc.=))
I couldn`t figure out any reason for this.

Has somebody else noticed this?
post #132 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Donhou View Post

Has anyone else noticed these vertical stripes on image, but only in certain colors with some material?

Has somebody else noticed this?

Do you mean something like in this picture: http://omat.pp.fi/DSC03518.JPG

It started with SD material and ended up like in the picture (with Blu-Ray player's menu) with any material despite the source. I got a replacement unit which worked fine for a few months but now it's starting to show some stripes, too If I unplug projector off the wall it helps (at least for a while, it didn't help with my earlier unit anymore). Is possible that a Blu-Ray player could do something like that? I had no problems with the first PJ until I got Sony-550 BD-player.
post #133 of 9206
Yep...looks familiar.

I use a toshiba HD DVD player so i don`t think it`s your player.

I just tried out Incredibles and bugs life again and no streaks/stripes what so ever. Very sharp and vivid image.

I`m pretty sure that my source showed 1080p60 when i saw those stripes.
Now it is 1080p50 when there`s no streaks...could this be a frame rate thing?
post #134 of 9206
Weird, I just got my Pro8100 on Friday, and noticed those vertical lines in a couple scenes during "Watchmen" last night. I only noticed it a couple times, and it seemed like it was only visible during scenes with a lot of blue in the background. Could it maybe have something to do with the blue polarizer?

Btw, "Watchmen" was on blu-ray, and it was playing off an Oppo BDP-83 at 1080p/24.

Mara-nelle, did you go through viewsonic customer service on this, and if so, how helpful/responsive did you find them?
post #135 of 9206
MIAB you are welcome, you can set ur projector to auto and the pj would choose the right color, and you can find the gain and offset at the memory section but you have to set color to user then apply the setting and save to 1, 2 inorder to best , brightest modes. and after the update the pj have auto save option, i prefer to set pcs to on and if you see after the calibration that you need 2.2 you can set it to it, do you connect your blue ray player to av/receiver then out to the projector if so , try to connect directly to the pj, if it dosent work try to update your blueray player software, iam connecting playstation3 at 24Hz also i set my media tank at 23.97Hz and the pj accepted as 24Hz so try different bluyray player and update your panasonic player. and make sure that your projector runs at 2.51 version
again you are welcome feel free to ask what ever you want


donhou-mara-nalle-nmuntean: 1st- all of you need to calibrate this projector because it must have professional visit to give you the perfect image ,i didnt see these lines after i calibrated the pj with data color spyder3 elite and the image become more than pefect even i raised the detail enhancement to 7 and at some hd content up to 10 with out increaseing the noise of the picture.

2nd-change the hdmi cable with good brand one like sony and it could be from the hdmi selector try to connect directly to the pj with good hdmi cable these geenish lines comes with bad transfering signal and when you unplug the pj you just reset the signal so that noise disappear and long time bad cables could damage the pj.


bluepotato-1.5 meter.
post #136 of 9206
Thanks for the response regarding the HDMI cable length.

1.5 meters, so that's only about 5 feet. Was hoping I wouldn't have to buy a 25-footer with the projector, but that would have probably been asking too much of Viewsonic.
post #137 of 9206
Bouda78, I've already done an initial calibration on the unit, and I don't think these lines have anything to do with that, as they're appearing in the middle of solid blocks of color (exactly like Mara-nelle's photo...). And I don't really think that this is an hdmi cable issue, as digital noise doesn't usually manifest itself like that (nor do I think that at least three of us would somehow have faulty hdmi cables generating the EXACT same type of atypical noise pattern).

Mara-nelle, did the Viewsonic tech support identify the problem at all, or did they just swap out the old projector for a new one?
post #138 of 9206
Just wanted to know which firmware updates I should do for the Viewsonic 8100? It appears my pj is running version 1.51. There are a couple of updates available through Viewsonic's website and I really dont know what the differnces are between 2.5 and 2.51? Which ones should I do?

1.) Pro8100 Firmware 2.5 (Discrete 3rd Party Remote Version) Size: 1MB

2.) Pro8100 Firmware 2.51 (Original ViewSonic Remote Version - non discrete Power) Size: 1MB

3.) Pro8100 Firmware Updater Program Size: 2MB

4.) Standard Monitor Driver Unsigned Size: 1MB

5.) Standard Monitor Driver Unsigned Win x64 Size: 1MB


Also inregards to 1080p24 - I was trying to watch in 24 on my PS3 ( which is set for auto 24) but for some reason every bluray movie ive played (ironman, darknight, i am legend) all are playing in 1080p60...??? Am I missing something here?

Thanks!
post #139 of 9206
izover4u if your remot control have 2 power botton one for 1 power and the other is 0 for off you should update with 2.5, and if you have the same power botton for on and off update with 2.51, i have these 3 bluyray movies and iam seeing them at 1080p 24Hz, try to play them after the update, other thing at video setting set to play at 24Hz not auto.

and for the other i had a problem with 2 hdmi cables with green noise at different players and when i bought sony hdmi cable the problem went off.
post #140 of 9206
Bouda78, could you elaborate on this "green noise" a bit? Did it look anything like the banded vertical lines shown in Mara-nelle's photo?

And izover4u, you'll need to download the firmware updater program to your computer so that you can then transfer the downloaded firmware (either 2.5 or 2.51) to your projector. It's really simple, and takes only about 2 minutes to do. Use 2.5 if you're using a third-party remote with discrete power functions, and 2.51 if you're using the factory remote (or, I guess, a third-party remote with non-discrete power functions...I really have no idea why this required the creation of two distinct firmware versions...).
post #141 of 9206
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Originally Posted by bouda78 View Post

izover4u if your remot control have 2 power botton one for 1 power and the other is 0 for off you should update with 2.5, and if you have the same power botton for on and off update with 2.51, i have these 3 bluyray movies and iam seeing them at 1080p 24Hz, try to play them after the update, other thing at video setting set to play at 24Hz not auto.

and for the other i had a problem with 2 hdmi cables with green noise at different players and when i bought sony hdmi cable the problem went off.

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Originally Posted by nmuntean View Post

Bouda78, could you elaborate on this "green noise" a bit? Did it look anything like the banded vertical lines shown in Mara-nelle's photo?

And izover4u, you'll need to download the firmware updater program to your computer so that you can then transfer the downloaded firmware (either 2.5 or 2.51) to your projector. It's really simple, and takes only about 2 minutes to do. Use 2.5 if you're using a third-party remote with discrete power functions, and 2.51 if you're using the factory remote (or, I guess, a third-party remote with non-discrete power functions...I really have no idea why this required the creation of two distinct firmware versions...).

Thanks! I got the pj updated and am able to watch in 1080p24
post #142 of 9206
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Originally Posted by nmuntean View Post

Mara-nelle, did you go through viewsonic customer service on this, and if so, how helpful/responsive did you find them?

I used the local (Finnish) service and they replaced the whole projector.
post #143 of 9206
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Originally Posted by bouda78 View Post

donhou-mara-nalle-nmuntean: 1st- all of you need to calibrate this projector because it must have professional visit to give you the perfect image ,i didnt see these lines after i calibrated the pj with data color spyder3 elite and the image become more than pefect even i raised the detail enhancement to 7 and at some hd content up to 10 with out increaseing the noise of the picture.

Thanks for your answer but in my case there must ne something else that causes the problem. First PJ worked fine almost a year before this problem occured. This second one worked fine two-three months before I noticed some stripes last Friday. And when those stripes are visible it doesn't matter what cable or picture source I'm using. They're always in the picture.

But I could believe that P60 has something to do with it and also stanby-mode. Last friday we watched Cars BR and the movia is P24, of course. Stripes where there but much harder to find than on P60, others in my family didn't say anything about them. I'll unplug the projector today and check the picture on Friday. If it's okay I'll get a electrical chord with on/off-button so the PJ won't be in standby-mode but really off when it's not in use.
post #144 of 9206
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Originally Posted by bouda78 View Post

2nd-change the hdmi cable with good brand one like sony and it could be from the hdmi selector try to connect directly to the pj with good hdmi cable these geenish lines comes with bad transfering signal and when you unplug the pj you just reset the signal so that noise disappear and long time bad cables could damage the pj.

Oops, didn't notice this first... this could wery well be the reason if Sony is connected with the bad cable. But shouldn't those stripes be visible right away or is ist possible that it takes time before they occur? The problem started first after I got Sony BR-player and after my PJ was replaced I have only used Sony with it and stripes are back... And if unplugging is the only way reset the signal it would also explain why those stripes are visible with every source before unplugging. And also, it's possible that my first PJ was damaged because of the bad cable since in the end stripes were always visible despite the unplugging. ****, I thing it's about time to get a quality cable...

THANK YOU!!!!!
post #145 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

ok, i have a question.

i really like the panny 3000 lense memory.

i want a 2:35 screen, and set a projector up for it. but when i watch a 1:85 or anything in between. can i manualy adjust the picture to fit the 2:35 screen, height wise ? i know it will have black bars on the sides, but that is ok.

oh. this would be on a 90-100" diagonal screen. 10-12' veiwing/projecting distance.

i have never had a projector. just my to 32" lcd's and my mitsu 65" dlp.

thanx


anyone ? this would be my first pj, so i want to understand.

how is the 2:35 feature ? this is what i would be using most.
CIH, is what i want to do.

thanx
post #146 of 9206
Fabricator, yes, yes you can. The powered zoom and lens shift are really nice features, and it only takes about 15 seconds to make CIH adjustments from 16:9 to 2.20:1. It doesn't have the one-button convenience of the panny (a feature that I also found very attractive...), but for less than half the price of the panny, I can live with making the adjustments myself. The Viewsonic is a fantastic projector, I don't think you'll regret it.
post #147 of 9206
thanx. you guys are getting me hyped up. i can afford the panny 3000. but if the 8100 picture is just fine, for 1/2 the price, well. and being its my first, i can be happy with it for a few years. then if things are going ok for me, i will then upgrade. i love, no, i mean, LOVE the picture on my 65" dlp. so if its anywhere close to this, i will be one HAPPY CAMPER !

oh. it is said that this machine is pretty darned quiet ? it would be mounted just a few feet above my head. and i DON'T want a noisy machine.

thanx again
post #148 of 9206
oh. can this unit be mounted up side down ? or is it tabletop only ?
post #149 of 9206
Upside down is fine, the picture can be inverted and the lens shift will handle most locations easily.
post #150 of 9206
thats cool.

from veiwsonics www. it says
"2.35:1 anamorphic viewing option
Eliminate the black bars for true widescreen cinema aspect ratio with optional external lens attachment."

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