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post #211 of 9206
Hello Mara-nalle -

Thank you for taking your time to confirm your experience of Viewsonic's 2.5/2.51 firmware upgrade resolving the Pro8100's auto-iris issue was the same as mine. I am confident Fabricator will appreciate your confirmation.

This has been a fun thread for me to participate in too Mara-nalle. I will be happy to share my settings at some point in the forum.

Keep having FUN with the Pro8100!!

Rodney
post #212 of 9206
Hello Dragonbud0 -

LOL. I appreciate your reasoning on going after the JVC RS2. I lived on the bleeding edge in the 90s before bellying up to the table for a Sony G70 and have never regretted making the decision. Almost 10 years have passed and the G70 is still quality competitive. Your reasoning on going with the RS2 is sound. Moreover, it will save you money. Meanwhile you have the pleasure of using one of the top projectors in the world.

I am a Blade Runner fan too. Great blacks in a room designed to let you see them are an awesome thing to behold; Blade Runner is ideal for getting the full bang because the entire movie is in dark.

You are right about all of us getting too wrapped up in specs and and small details. This is the real beauty of your buying the RS2; you can relax now and enjoy the show because you know you are watching one of the best projectors in the world. You can sit back in your chair knowing whatever you are seeing is about as good as it gets. ;D

Congratulations on making a good decision on the RS2. I think anyone that bought as many projectors as you have deserves a rest. LOL !!! Have FUN with your new toy dragonbud0, and thank you for sharing your thought process with us because it will help someone here make a better buying decision for themselves. You are in a special place right now so have FUN !!!
post #213 of 9206
Well, I promised my wife that this will last at least 2 years while under warranty, unless I win the $250M mega million...

8)
post #214 of 9206
Dragonbud0 -

I wanted to agree with you on the screens. My friends over the years have been amazed at the brightness of my G70. The key to the setup which worked without any hot spotting and with perfect color balance is a Stewart Ultramatte 200 which has a gain of 2 which really gives the image a nice pop that people generally like. Screens are underrated too often in the effort to buy the best projector with the cash on hand. LOL. Nevertheless, the right match can sometimes make a dramatic improvement. One of my friends here in Atlanta has a lower gain curved scree that is very impressive. the curve is held by small amount of air pulling the screen into the frame's closed back enclosure. It looks incredibly good if you have the space to give it.
post #215 of 9206
Hi there, i'm newb with projector and i need some help... I will receive soon my pro8100 and i need to choose witch screens i need.... Like a paint wall, setup using laminate wilsonart or something like Grandview, stewart screen etc...

Also it's a good idea to put the projector near the wall or more in the middle of the ceiling...

Thanks for help.

Jeff
post #216 of 9206
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Originally Posted by darth_majere View Post

Hi there, i'm newb with projector and i need some help... I will receive soon my pro8100 and i need to choose witch screens i need.... Like a paint wall, setup using laminate wilsonart or something like Grandview, stewart screen etc...

Also it's a good idea to put the projector near the wall or more in the middle of the ceiling...

Thanks for help.

Jeff

I am sorry to say that there is no one best screen because every room is somewhat different depending on its ambient light level and variations from day to night. Also the best choice of screen gain depends on what you like to watch, movies or sports, and the type of extraneous light you have in the room. Read through the various threads on screens and you will see there are many different opinions on screens. Nevertheless, some screens like the Studiotek 130 are widely accepted my many as being a standard to benchmark against.

Generally speaking higher gain screens are better for sports and lower gain for movies but that is not always true. The Stewart Ultramatte 200 that I use in a light controlled room with the Sony G70 has a gain of 2 and works well for sports and movies; the G70 has the ultimate level of back which is not seriously impacted by the 2 gain screen, but this screen is probably way too bright for the Pro8100 and also would probably not help the blacks; on the other hand the blacks are not that bad in the first place so maybe I shoudl try it.

The Stewart Firehawk, Grayhawk or StudioTek 130 are popular choices but there are many other excellent options available from companies like Carada, Elite, and Dalite that you would be well served to look at as well. The real challenge is to decide whether the improvement going from a Carada to a Stewart is worth the money. The Carada and the Elite are great examples of screens that are relatively good enough to make incremental gains in quality very expensive. So you can buy very good screens without breaking the bank if you do not care about being on leading edge with a Generation 3 from someone like Stewart. There are also some new players out there with some esoteric approaches like SI's Curved Black Diamond screens which I have zero experience with at this point.

Because I am most familiar with Stewart's products I will give you my take on where to use a Firehawk and Grayhawk.

If you have room with white walls and ceilings, and you will be sitting a reasonable distance from the screen, and sitting directly in front of the screen, not off to sides, I would pick the Firehawk with its 1.35 gain.

If you have a more front projector friendly room, and have people spread out too much beyond the edges of the screen then a Grayhawk with .95 gain would be my choice.

If you put these two screens side by side you will see duller looking whites on the Grayhawk. The key to the Grayhawk is that it substantially improves blacks and is able to do it without viewers noticing the duller whites because our brains do not have a brightness register for the color white. When we look at white we see it independently each time of all the white we have ever seen in our lives before it. Other characteristics like the gloss and sheen we do carry in our brains.

I personally like the Firehawk the most because it has noticeably enhanced blacks and a brighter picture and also rejects off axis light best, and is at home in the kind of typical multi-purpose theater room with white or off white walls and ceilings.

Also, remember that the black on the Pro8100 you are getting is average by today's standards which means it is actually more than just okay in the typical multi-purpose room that will not allow superb blacks because of ambient lighting. Consider the home built screen permanently if you like or as interim measure. I did it and never got the same result I got from Stewart screens but maybe things have changed in terms of materials since I last played around with it.

If I was new to this I would project the image on a wall to get the feeling for throw distances, screen size, and the effects of gain to understand the possibilities, or pickup something inexpensive like those Epson Screens that rolls out side to side that can be mounted on a stand or mounted unobtrusively to the wall, and closes when not in use. I think that Epson screen is only 80 inches so it is probably not big enough. My point is avoid spending too much on a screen before you know what you want.

Screens are like speakers, most often they are the last thing to be chosen, but maybe the most important. Running a 4,000 dollar amplifier into a 500 dollar pair of speakers is not a wise use of money. I would be more inclined to put a 500 dollar amp on a 4,000 pair of speakers.

This page has a lot of good links on screens:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...eens/index.php

On projector placement it is wise to stay away from the walls to the extent possible (several feet at least for me) because of air flow, but this less of a factor with Pro8100 because the air is being directed out of the side of the projector.

The projector you have coming is one of the most flexible in terms of placement. It will work where many others will not. The remote motorized vertical control of the image placement means you can put a screen closer to the ceiling and not worry about dealing with the extra height you would normally need for projector offset. You will be able to place the projector lens in the vertical plane anywhere within the bottom half or top half of the screen with no problems. You will have a more limited control of the the horizontal plane so will have to be more careful with alignment.

Study screen placement to understand placement and again just shoot it at the wall until you start to get the drift of it before you start putting holes in the wall and ceiling only to find our later they are in the wrong place. This will also help you get a feel for the size screen you want as well as the screen and projector locations.

To initially get a feel for projector throw and zoom tolerance for a given screen size use the link below which is for the Pro8100 to play with it while you are waiting for delivery of your unit. Tinker with it until you understand how the screen distance and size effects the light on the screen for a specific screen gain and understand the projectors limitations on its working zoom range and get a feel for the ambient lighting conditions that it will work well in:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/View...ulator-pro.htm

Hmm ambient light is on the chart too so go to http://www.siscreens.com/tools/screen-wizard/ which will give you a visual feel for what you are seeing on the projector calculator chart about ambient room light.

Use the links below to get a quick feel for some of the popular available screens. These are just some of the available screens and resources. There are many more screens than the ones below and they have followers who will cut your heart out if you imply that their choice is not the best. LOL. As I implied earlier screens are a lot like speakers, everyone has an opinion because we can all hear.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...ens_review.htm

http://www.projectorpeople.com/screens/chart_fixed.asp

http://www.carada.com/

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585549

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585541

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585541

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585554

The problem is that we all hear and see things differently enough to make it an honest horse race. A simple projector related example of this scenario is that a relatively small number of people see rainbows on DLP to the extent of not being able to tolerate watching it, others see rainbows but do not care because they love the image DLP produces, while the vast majority of people have trouble seeing rainbows even if they have someone pointing at them on the screen.

The top end screens go together easily because the frames are beautifully machined and the screens fit the frames like a glove. Putting them together is very simple and is actually enjoyable because of the quality. Knowing where to put it and the projector can be simple too, but often is not, hence ISFs.

If you do not feel comfortable installing the screen and projector yourself consider using an ISF in your area. All projectors will benefit from being calibrated to a specific screen because of color shifts. People can get in the ball park with layman calibration equipment but ISF have much more accurate equipment and software. AVS has a list of ISF here in the forums.

ISFs are a little like surgeons in that many of them are great for standard surgical procedures and then their are a handful in this country that not only do standard surgery but also heart and brain surgery. These people really know their stuff and can setup space age systems with push button automation who will even program your multi remote for one button clicking to watch television, dvd, hd-dvd, blue-ray and pc sources. You can search AVS for an ISF in your area, or ask the question here in the forums.

The ISF heart and brain surgeons travel all over the world to do installations. It is an education to watch them. They are not expensive for the value they add to a home theater installation and can often make equipment choices that will save you money. Users can learn a lot just by watching them do an install and calibration; but don's slow them too much as they are on the clock and will include the coaching in the bill - Actually most of the good ones are very generous with their time and fun to be around because they love this stuff too. My ISF heart / brain surgeon is known as Chuchuf here on AVSForum - terfer@comcast - LOL - who will probably shoot me for calling him a ISF heart / brain surgeon.

Terry's attitude on avocational teachers like me is similar to my old golf pro who used to say he loved it when my buddy Mike gave me a free golf lesson because it improved his cash flow. LOL. Professional ISFs gave save a lot of money and time for people that want a superior installation. On the other hand it is good to occasionally remind the PROs that the Titanic was built by a professional !!! heheh.


Whether you mount the Pro8100 on a table top, a deep bookshelf, or on the ceiling make sure it has adequate ventilation. Hot air goes up so sometimes I like a slow moving ceiling fans or a small fan that is quiet aimed from the floor to the ceiling to encourage air circulation if it can be done without being an eye sore.

Good luck !
post #217 of 9206
Hi guys, I pulled the trigger on this baby from Tiger Direct. It will be my first front PJ, and I'm very excited. I have the cables and stuff I need coming from monoprice, but I've yet to buy a mount. The PJ is being delivered today, much faster than I thought. I thought I had more time, LOL.

Anyway do you guys know if the standard sanus/chief universal ceiling mounts will work with the Pro8100? I can't seem to find anyone stating what mount they are using. Thanks in advance for any advice.
post #218 of 9206
I went with the Omnimount PMD2. It is very sturdy and has 13.6" to 20.3" vertical adjustment (can also be flush mounted, but I wasn't interested in that). If you need more vertical (as I do, with 12' ceiling), you can add a coupler and extension tube. All hardware (screws, washers, spacers, etc) is included in the box; I didn't have to make a single trip to the BORG. The PMD2 is pretty large, but so is the Pro8100. My price locally was a little over a Ben Franklin and an Andy Jackson. I thought that was fair, considering the beefiness and quality of construction.
post #219 of 9206
I own a Pioneer VSX-919/1019 receiver and would like to use the Pioneer remote to power on/off my Pro8100, since I also use it to power on/off my receiver and change inputs.

I tried all 4 Viewsonic "TV" codes (from the Pioneer manual) and none of them worked.

Has anybody else been able to use a simple programmable remote to power on/off the projector? What codes did you use?
post #220 of 9206
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Originally Posted by LandShark22 View Post

Hi guys, I pulled the trigger on this baby from Tiger Direct. It will be my first front PJ, and I'm very excited. I have the cables and stuff I need coming from monoprice, but I've yet to buy a mount. The PJ is being delivered today, much faster than I thought. I thought I had more time, LOL.

Anyway do you guys know if the standard sanus/chief universal ceiling mounts will work with the Pro8100? I can't seem to find anyone stating what mount they are using. Thanks in advance for any advice.

I purchased the Monoprice $15.84 mount.

It's worth what I paid for, but I wasn't being too picky on my mount selection.

My review of the mount is posted on the product page, but here is the text:

Price was more than fair. The mount was maybe worth $5 more than the price. It definitely holds the weight. I tugged VERY hard on the mount before I trusted it with my Viewsonic Pro8100 20lb. projector and everything held. The few flaws:
-Very poor documentation. It's just a single sheet of paper with a partially exploded schematic diagram of the mount
-Poor x-axis (shifting the image left to right) rotation functionality (tilt and y-axis are fine, though)
-It holds the weight, but the projector and image will move with even slight touches to the projector or tugs on the power/hdmi cables.
-Telescoping down-rod is only held by a single screw and friction plate. There is no true "locking" mechanism. I'm having to put my trust in a friction plate.
-The ceiling mount is held by 4 screws. Only two of them can reach a ceiling stud, so the other two had to go into the drywall with the included drywall anchors. I should have used something stronger for those two, like lag bolts. I might still change them out.
post #221 of 9206
I just got my 8100 from Tiger Direct. I noticed that the box (again, not double boxed) had also been previously open, though it doesn't appear anything inside has been used. Kind of makes you wonder though whether it's "open box" or they just take a look inside before shipping. It also seems the box had been previously shipped once before with another empty "invoice" pocket on the outside which makes it extra suspicious.

Probably would not buy from these guys again.
post #222 of 9206
Tigerdirect = BAD... JR Music = GOOD!
post #223 of 9206
I was using ProjectorCentral's Calculator Pro with the PRO8100, and noticed that it shows just 12 ftL of brightness, when mounted 12'3" from a 120" diagonal screen. This is much, much lower than the X10 that I am also looking at. And it only gets up to 16 ftL if I shrink the screen size to 92" diagonal - still way lower than the X10, and others I have layed with.

Is something amiss? Or is the PRO8100 a much dimmer projector than the X10? (I will have some ambient light, and will be watching loads of HD sports from a cable box).

Thanks for insights.
post #224 of 9206
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Originally Posted by IanS View Post

I was using ProjectorCentral's Calculator Pro with the PRO8100, and noticed that it shows just 12 ftL of brightness, when mounted 12'3" from a 120" diagonal screen. This is much, much lower than the X10 that I am also looking at. And it only gets up to 16 ftL if I shrink the screen size to 92" diagonal - still way lower than the X10, and others I have layed with.

Is something amiss? Or is the PRO8100 a much dimmer projector than the X10? (I will have some ambient light, and will be watching loads of HD sports from a cable box).

Thanks for insights.


Someone screwed up with the calculator, I think. The Pro8100 has been reviewed several times, and everyone said it's one of the brighter PJs. If you check out the ftL numbers on the calculator compared to the Sanyo Z3000 it says the Sanyo is brighter, but every review says the Sanyo is a very dim projector. My guess, Projector Centrals calculator is just wrong with the Pro8100.
post #225 of 9206
I think I will be pulling the trigger on one of these projectors in the next month,it seems like an excellent buy. Do you think the price has bottomed out on this, or is it worth it to wait a little longer? One other fact I would like to know is where is the Viewsonic made,is it an American product?
Thanks.
post #226 of 9206
At most it might drop another 100 or 2, but it's already fairly low, and they could also run out, too.

Like most of the products, it's designed in the home-nation (US for this one) and manufactured whereever it's best deal for the company (china in this case). I seriously doubt you can find much electronics manufactured in the US.

A question for everyone, mine was manufactured in Feb 2008. Seems a while back, but maybe they're just clearing out stock. Are others getting newer ones?
post #227 of 9206
you guys should wait, till i buy mine. then you will get a unit 3x better and 50% less than i paid.
post #228 of 9206
@ AmericanStreamer

Thanks for you help i will check all you said... i will receive mine tomorrow from DELL canada... can`t just wait more.... but i will have a lot of job before all will work good...

Anyone have try the option to get 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing option?
"Eliminate the black bars for true widescreen cinema aspect ratio with optional external lens attachment."

Also any web site to get good setting for the pro8100 or use the auto config and all will work good?


Thanks
post #229 of 9206
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Originally Posted by darth_majere View Post

@ AmericanStreamer

Also any web site to get good setting for the pro8100 or use the auto config and all will work good?

This post has some settings. They are from the projectorreview.com review. I'm using them and am happy with the result.
post #230 of 9206
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Originally Posted by floridapoolboy View Post

Someone screwed up with the calculator, I think. The Pro8100 has been reviewed several times, and everyone said it's one of the brighter PJs. If you check out the ftL numbers on the calculator compared to the Sanyo Z3000 it says the Sanyo is brighter, but every review says the Sanyo is a very dim projector. My guess, Projector Centrals calculator is just wrong with the Pro8100.

OK, but how bright is your's floridapoolboy? You still haven't made one peep about how you like yours?
post #231 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Robert Clark View Post

OK, but how bright is your's floridapoolboy? You still haven't made one peep about how you like yours?

That's because i haven't had time to mount it yet! I had unexpected visitors arrive from out of town, and they took up all my free time. I should be able to get everything set up this Sunday or Monday, and then I'll report back my impressions.
post #232 of 9206
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Originally Posted by floridapoolboy View Post

That's because i haven't had time to mount it yet! I had unexpected visitors arrive from out of town, and they took up all my free time. I should be able to get everything set up this Sunday or Monday, and then I'll report back my impressions.

Wow poolboy your a good man'If I just got my new FP I would not have answered the door
post #233 of 9206
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

Wow poolboy your a good man'If I just got my new FP I would not have answered the door

Yeah, it's been tough just looking at it, although it's a really pretty machine! Did I mention that it's huge?!
post #234 of 9206
Yeah, I'm surprised how big it is. I haven't fired mine up yet. I got it from Tiger Direct because they had the best deal at the time. Mine had been opened too and the most inner cloth protective wrap [there are 2] had been closed with masking tape which left residue on the cloth when pulled off, but the projector is spotless. Does make one wonder what they are doing. I'd go with J&R if they have them in stock.
post #235 of 9206
Hey, can everybody who's able please post their manufacturing date? It's on the box and underneath the projector. Mine's Feb 2008. I'm really curious to know whether that's around when they stopped making them and they're just clearing them out now or what. Thanks guys.
post #236 of 9206
i tried to order 2nd unit from viewsonic europe for my brother and the answer was this model pro8100 is discountinued!!!!!, is that means there is a new model comming up or what?...
post #237 of 9206
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Originally Posted by hessel holland View Post

Yeah, I'm surprised how big it is. I haven't fired mine up yet. I got it from Tiger Direct because they had the best deal at the time. Mine had been opened too and the most inner cloth protective wrap [there are 2] had been closed with masking tape which left residue on the cloth when pulled off, but the projector is spotless. Does make one wonder what they are doing. I'd go with J&R if they have them in stock.

J&R shows out of stock.
post #238 of 9206
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Originally Posted by bouda78 View Post

i tried to order 2nd unit from viewsonic europe for my brother and the answer was this model pro8100 is discountinued!!!!!, is that means there is a new model comming up or what?...

I don't think they would price a $5k model for less than $1500, unless it was being discontinued.
post #239 of 9206
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Originally Posted by SFGuy View Post

I don't think they would price a $5k model for less than $1500, unless it was being discontinued.

Did ANYBODY here buy this over a year ago? Over 6 months ago??? Did anybody pay MSRP for this thing?

Yes, there were early internet pro reviews, but how come there is hardly any forum activity on this projector until a few months ago?
post #240 of 9206
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J&R shows out of stock.

Provantage.com shows them in stock. Link.
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