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post #8641 of 9206
I wonder if Syria shut down the Internet?? eek.gif
post #8642 of 9206
hello, guys.

i sold my condo, and now have a house. i have not had the theater running for almost, heck, idk, almost 2 years maybe ? i bought and old house (all i could afford), and it needs a LOT of work. but i am slowly trying to get the basement set up for the new theater. it has a lot more space, but sadly only has 6"4' ceiling. but idc, its mine and i will make it nice. once things get moving in that direction, i will report back.

oh. i hate this new forum layout.
post #8643 of 9206
Good luck with your HT plans.

I HATE the new layout too!rolleyes.gif

Ed
post #8644 of 9206
It's hard to teach us old dogs new tricks. wink.gif
post #8645 of 9206
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Good luck with your HT plans.
I HATE the new layout too!rolleyes.gif
Ed

So many forums I go to are going to an awful format like this one.

Not a fan at all, but this isn't as bad as some are,
Edited by muzz - 6/14/12 at 5:23pm
post #8646 of 9206
I hate to say it, but ads and what not are what pay the bills for the fine folks that sponsor sites like AVS .. the very small percentage of us that actually pay for a membership would not support the site financially ..

David and his team have provided us an excellent resource that provies invaluable information .. you can always join for a nominal membership fee and eliminate much of the clutter you see ..

Just sayin' ... smile.gif
post #8647 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

hello, guys.
i sold my condo, and now have a house. i have not had the theater running for almost, heck, idk, almost 2 years maybe ? i bought and old house (all i could afford), and it needs a LOT of work. but i am slowly trying to get the basement set up for the new theater. it has a lot more space, but sadly only has 6"4' ceiling. but idc, its mine and i will make it nice. once things get moving in that direction, i will report back.
oh. i hate this new forum layout.

Good luck with the new HT. I I can help you, let me know. smile.gif
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post #8648 of 9206
Last night I noticed my black levels sorta "glow" in dark scenes. Looks weird ... not natural looking. What can I do to fix that?
post #8649 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Colton View Post

Last night I noticed my black levels sorta "glow" in dark scenes. Looks weird ... not natural looking. What can I do to fix that?

Brightness set too high?
This unit has mediocre black levels.
post #8650 of 9206
"Glowing" could be caused by the gamma being set incorrectly or if you touched the skin tone setiing. I once accidentially adjusted the skin tone and everything went to crap. I tried adjusting it back but I couldn't get it back to normal. I ended up loading defaults and starting over.

I don't recommend adjusting the gamma, besides selecting 2.2 or 2.3, and don't ever touch skin tones. Write down your settings then set everything back to default. Plug back in your settings and let us know how it looks.

Yes Muzz, the black levels are far from great on the Pro8100. They are decent though once the projector is calibrated properly. The only projectors I would consider upgrading to would be the JVC's for their far superior blacks. They are still a bit out of my reach though. One day I will upgrade but for now I am still overall very happy with the Pro8100. I've never experienced "glowing" blacks. I do constantly fiddle with the black level trying to find the best compromise between black level and shadow detail depending on the program material but I never noticed "glowing" blacks.
post #8651 of 9206
When we watch a 1.85 or 2.39 film, I usually use the lens shift to move the picture up to the top of my screen .. since I don't have a msking system .. at least this eliminates the top bar .. that comes with it's own problem, as the bottom of the screen now has what appears to be two different shade bars .. one where there is no light and is the darkest, and one where the 8100 is still "projecting" and is a very very dark gray .. clearly demonstrating the black level max of the 8100 .. using this as a comparison, it's pretty weak ..

However, once engaged in a good film, in a dark HT, the mind compensates .. I have to just ignore my nit-picking and watch the movie ..

I hanker for an upgrade sometimes, but overall I'm still pretty satisfied .. or maybe I've just gotten too tight fisted with the cash these days ..
post #8652 of 9206
I just got one of these open box (never used) for $500.
I haven't received it yet, and I'm a little concerned about the horizontal banding issue.
Does Viewsonic require a receipt for warranty service?
I'm fairly certain this unit isn't over 3 years old, so it should have some warranty coverage left.
post #8653 of 9206
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Originally Posted by t528491 View Post

I just got one of these open box (never used) for $500.
I haven't received it yet, and I'm a little concerned about the horizontal banding issue.
Does Viewsonic require a receipt for warranty service?
I'm fairly certain this unit isn't over 3 years old, so it should have some warranty coverage left.

We'll need to know where you got it from .. many of these type sales are as is , no warrantee
post #8654 of 9206
I got it off eBay.
I'm just wondering if the warranty process with VS is like Apple, where all you need is a serial number, or if proof of purchase from an authorized dealer is required.
post #8655 of 9206
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Originally Posted by t528491 View Post

I got it off eBay.
I'm just wondering if the warranty process with VS is like Apple, where all you need is a serial number, or if proof of purchase from an authorized dealer is required.

I'll need an eBay item number .. the ones I've seen on eBay are pretty much as is ..
post #8656 of 9206
It's 230804643813.

There's a 14 day return policy, so if I notice HB right off I can return it, but I know sometimes it takes a while to manifest itself.
post #8657 of 9206
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Originally Posted by t528491 View Post

It's 230804643813.
There's a 14 day return policy, so if I notice HB right off I can return it, but I know sometimes it takes a while to manifest itself.

I don't think you'll get the VS warrantee on that unit .. all you have is the sellers return policy .. and their reputation feedback is not the greatest ..

I'd get it and immediately hook it up and use it for at least 100 hours right away ..
post #8658 of 9206
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

When we watch a 1.85 or 2.39 film, I usually use the lens shift to move the picture up to the top of my screen .. since I don't have a msking system .. at least this eliminates the top bar .. that comes with it's own problem, as the bottom of the screen now has what appears to be two different shade bars .. one where there is no light and is the darkest, and one where the 8100 is still "projecting" and is a very very dark gray .. clearly demonstrating the black level max of the 8100 .. using this as a comparison, it's pretty weak ..
However, once engaged in a good film, in a dark HT, the mind compensates .. I have to just ignore my nit-picking and watch the movie ..
I hanker for an upgrade sometimes, but overall I'm still pretty satisfied .. or maybe I've just gotten too tight fisted with the cash these days ..

I keep going back and forth on replacing my Pro8100. I do not have the banding issues but I have seen a few newer models like the Epson 5010 and the Benq W7000 which both have amazing picutes in 2D and black levels that crush the Pro8100 but the Viewsonic's image is still very crisp and the colors look great. I don't have much interest in 3D but it seems almost impossible now to get just a great 2D projector without 3D included.
post #8659 of 9206
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I don't think you'll get the VS warrantee on that unit .. all you have is the sellers return policy .. and their reputation feedback is not the greatest ..
I'd get it and immediately hook it up and use it for at least 100 hours right away ..
All right, will do. Thanks. smile.gif
post #8660 of 9206
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

I keep going back and forth on replacing my Pro8100. I do not have the banding issues but I have seen a few newer models like the Epson 5010 and the Benq W7000 which both have amazing picutes in 2D and black levels that crush the Pro8100 but the Viewsonic's image is still very crisp and the colors look great. I don't have much interest in 3D but it seems almost impossible now to get just a great 2D projector without 3D included.

Both of mine are so spot on with convergence, and have such a crisp detailed picture with HD Cable and BD, I'm willing to still compromise the black level .. it's a trade off, but moneys tight these days .. the PQ still amazes anyone that sees it and I just don't see a huge improvement ..
post #8661 of 9206
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Originally Posted by t528491 View Post

All right, will do. Thanks. smile.gif

Keep us posted .. always nice to hear from a new user and their evaluation ..
post #8662 of 9206
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Both of mine are so spot on with convergence, and have such a crisp detailed picture with HD Cable and BD, I'm willing to still compromise the black level .. it's a trade off, but moneys tight these days .. the PQ still amazes anyone that sees it and I just don't see a huge improvement ..

My unit is also spot on (Lucky) thats why I haven't changed out yet. I even thought of buying another bulb for it (have a new one already in the box) just to make myself keep the unit for another year or so. tongue.gif
post #8663 of 9206
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Originally Posted by t528491 View Post

All right, will do. Thanks. smile.gif

Might check the hours if they haven't been zeroed out. As Uncle Willie said, run it and check for HB. I'd run it continuously for the 100 hrs.

One way I avoid the upgrade bug is to avoid looking for what's new out there although I did notice that ViewSonic has a laser LED hybrid coming out. Pro9000 at around $5K. Sounds familiar. I can wait.
post #8664 of 9206
I also noticed that the PCS setting has some weird attributes, I have it turned off.
post #8665 of 9206
Without the PCS enabled, you will not have access to several desirable features... namely gamma of anything other than 2.2 (default) or the 3D CMS to adjust hue and saturation for primaries and secondaries. In other words, your grayscale calibration may be spot on, but you can still see some pretty large delta e numbers for color calibration that will not be corrected without enabling PCS. Your call... Personally, I've moved to 2.4 gamma in my light controlled room and could never go back. The shadow details are every bit as good, and black levels are much improved with minimal impact to overall brightness! The Pro8100 is still nowhere near JVC or other LCOS/SXRD levels, but definitely competitive with LCD and DLP. I have yet to see a DLP do better, and the LCD's I have seen which did better had more noticeable AI correction, and worse shadow detail. LCOS/SXRD is the way to go for ultimate price/performance, but I think the Pro8100 still has at least 1 -2 more years of life until it really starts to get left behind.
post #8666 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post

Without the PCS enabled, you will not have access to several desirable features... namely gamma of anything other than 2.2 (default) or the 3D CMS to adjust hue and saturation for primaries and secondaries. In other words, your grayscale calibration may be spot on, but you can still see some pretty large delta e numbers for color calibration that will not be corrected without enabling PCS. Your call... Personally, I've moved to 2.4 gamma in my light controlled room and could never go back. The shadow details are every bit as good, and black levels are much improved with minimal impact to overall brightness! The Pro8100 is still nowhere near JVC or other LCOS/SXRD levels, but definitely competitive with LCD and DLP. I have yet to see a DLP do better, and the LCD's I have seen which did better had more noticeable AI correction, and worse shadow detail. LCOS/SXRD is the way to go for ultimate price/performance, but I think the Pro8100 still has at least 1 -2 more years of life until it really starts to get left behind.

I am still using your setting from last year and love it. After I put in the settings I ran 3 separate calibration disks including the Disney WOW and I had to change nothing, everything was spot on. The only thing I did not change was the gamma 2,2 to 2.4 for some reason to my eyes the colors looked better at 2.2.

I may go back and look againg though since I haven't tweaked it in a while. smile.gif
post #8667 of 9206
Well, it turns out that my projector does have slight banding.
However, it's not very noticeable unless I'm actively looking for it, and from about 10 feet back it's non-existent.
Is it likely to get any worse as the projector is used more? I think I can live with it as it is right now, since it looks so much better than my old HDTV.
post #8668 of 9206
I tried PCS, but I found it had some undesirable attributes like fringing and or noise, so I disabled it.
I tried the gamma moves with it, but it looks fine with the screen I have(DL HP), so I figured it was fine and not worth the trouble.
post #8669 of 9206
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

I am still using your setting from last year and love it. After I put in the settings I ran 3 separate calibration disks including the Disney WOW and I had to change nothing, everything was spot on. The only thing I did not change was the gamma 2,2 to 2.4 for some reason to my eyes the colors looked better at 2.2.
I may go back and look againg though since I haven't tweaked it in a while. smile.gif

You really need to start with gamma at 2.4 and do a full bottoms up calibration, as gamma does have a fairly significant impact on color, especially luminosity. If my 2.4 settings aren't accurate for you, since I noticed some lamp changes when I calibrated (more red/less blue), I promise to do a full run in the near future and post "revised" 2.4 settings with a new/low hour lamp! I have been literally astonished by how good the contrast is at a 2.4 gamma with the full calibration though! Good enough that the black bars in scope content literally disappear unless I'm looking for them on my 16:9 screen. At 2.2, they were always somewhat distracting to me. I would have gone this route sooner, but I expected to either crush blacks and lose shadow detail or see a significant sacrifice in overall brightness, so I didn't want to spend 4 hours calibrating to find out if my hunch was true. Luckily, the urge eventually got the better of me, and neither of these proved to be the case! Measured brightness loss was literally less than 1 fL at 100 IRE and shadow detail is every bit as good in even the darkest scenes, which are now even darker. At 2.4 gamma is on par or pretty close to Panasonic LCD black levels and contrast, with better color and slightly better shadow detail. It's still not quite in the Epson ultracontrast territory, but I much prefer the Pro8100's AI over Epson.

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Originally Posted by muzz View Post

I tried PCS, but I found it had some undesirable attributes like fringing and or noise, so I disabled it.
I tried the gamma moves with it, but it looks fine with the screen I have(DL HP), so I figured it was fine and not worth the trouble.
If you're happy, that's all that really matters. If you do feel like experimenting though, I may be able to help with noise. It may be gamma noise requiring a gamma reset, or it may be interference between the Reon noise handling and your AVR. I've seen both, and both were easy to diagnose/fix.
post #8670 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post

You really need to start with gamma at 2.4 and do a full bottoms up calibration, as gamma does have a fairly significant impact on color, especially luminosity. If my 2.4 settings aren't accurate for you, since I noticed some lamp changes when I calibrated (more red/less blue), I promise to do a full run in the near future and post "revised" 2.4 settings with a new/low hour lamp! I have been literally astonished by how good the contrast is at a 2.4 gamma with the full calibration though! Good enough that the black bars in scope content literally disappear unless I'm looking for them on my 16:9 screen. At 2.2, they were always somewhat distracting to me. I would have gone this route sooner, but I expected to either crush blacks and lose shadow detail or see a significant sacrifice in overall brightness, so I didn't want to spend 4 hours calibrating to find out if my hunch was true. Luckily, the urge eventually got the better of me, and neither of these proved to be the case! Measured brightness loss was literally less than 1 fL at 100 IRE and shadow detail is every bit as good in even the darkest scenes, which are now even darker. At 2.4 gamma is on par or pretty close to Panasonic LCD black levels and contrast, with better color and slightly better shadow detail. It's still not quite in the Epson ultracontrast territory, but I much prefer the Pro8100's AI over Epson.
If you're happy, that's all that really matters. If you do feel like experimenting though, I may be able to help with noise. It may be gamma noise requiring a gamma reset, or it may be interference between the Reon noise handling and your AVR. I've seen both, and both were easy to diagnose/fix.

Well my bulb is now at 600 hrs so I will try the whole thing over again with the 2.4 settings. Do you have a link to those settings again? I just want to make sure I use the correct ones. Thanks in advance.
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