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post #1621 of 8851
12/18/07 at 7:53pm
Jeremy,

Well, now it's all crystal clear. i , like so many others, get so caught up in in this hi-def web, that we tend to forget that just because there is a "p" at the end of a "480", it doesn't automaticly make it widescreen. thanks for schoolin', jeremy.

now, if i could just figure out why my xbox keeps wiggin' out thru the hdmi, i could get some sleep.
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post #1622 of 8851
12/18/07 at 8:07pm
I saw your question, and yes, I have a turntable hooked into my 705. It is a Technics turntable and although I seldom use it, the phono input and the 3rd HDMI input were two of the major things that caused me to buy the 705 over the 605. That, and the blue light. I have had no problems with the turntable set up. I guess all of us turntable guys are getting on up in years.
Oh well, it sure beats the alternative.


QUOTE=Obi-UWS;12523737]Since there was no reply to my first question I thought I would try again.
One of the sell points of the 705 over the 605 is the Phono input. Anybody here actually use it for a turntable? I have read all posts but can find no comments on how well phono performs or listening modes used, hope this is because there are no problems not because I am the last person with a turntable.
To all contributers to this thread a big thank you for your informative posts. I have learned so much, your the best.[/quote]
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post #1623 of 8851
12/18/07 at 8:21pm
Haven't got the time to take a look through all the posts in this thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything that was addressed before.

When I go into speaker settings, I get the choice to change my speakers impedance to 4 or 6 ohms but not 8. I have:
Polk Monitor 50 X 2
Monitor CS1
PSW10
R150 X 4

All are rated at 8 ohms impedance so whats up with the receiver?

Second question. I am up converting a composite (red, white, yellow i am assuming) signal from my vcr/dvd combo player through one HDMI cable. Every time I fast forward, rewind, or press pause, the signal drops completely! Any ideas why?

Thanks, X
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post #1624 of 8851
12/18/07 at 8:33pm
Legend,
Choose 6 ohm. Jeremy helped me out with a question I had on this a few pages ago. Too lazy to look it up, but choose 6 ohm, all is good.

Sorry, have no idea on the 2nd question. Maybe setup a listening mode/preference for that input and see if that takes care of the problem. Hope you get it figured out.

Skid

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Originally Posted by Legend of X View Post

Haven't got the time to take a look through all the posts in this thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything that was addressed before.

When I go into speaker settings, I get the choice to change my speakers impedance to 4 or 6 ohms but not 8. I have:
Polk Monitor 50 X 2
Monitor CS1
PSW10
R150 X 4

All are rated at 8 ohms impedance so whats up with the receiver?

Second question. I am up converting a composite (red, white, yellow i am assuming) signal from my vcr/dvd combo player through one HDMI cable. Every time I fast forward, rewind, or press pause, the signal drops completely! Any ideas why?

Thanks, X
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post #1625 of 8851
12/18/07 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by bcturns View Post

i also have a wii connected via component to the 705. the only way i can get it to display 16:9 is to leave upscale setting on auto as has been mentioned before. but i stumbled on this oddity while trying to correct another problem.

i hooked up an xbox original (not 360) via component to 705. in xbox settings, you have to manually change resolution to output 480p, 720p, and 1080i. i have played it like this for a couple of years hooked directly to my hdtv via componet with nary a problem. i know i'm getting a 480p or 720p signal thru to tv by checking osd and it lets me know what king of signal it's receiving.

now enter 705. i hooked up xbox and wii via componet to 705. also have an oppo dvd player and toshiba hd dvd player going in hdmi. of course, i have hdmi going out to tv. checked everything, all works great, except xbox. very strange problem. the video seems to shake as if you were looking at footage shot on an unsteady tripod. and then after about 5 minutes, the picture shifts 50%. the left half becomes the right half and vise-versa.

i ran through several troubleshooting steps. it's not the xbox, because i hooked direct to tv again and no problem. i connected to 705, problem again. i then went into xbox settings and selected "no" for 480p. it solved problem, but now picture is not as sharp of course. i set xbox back to "yes" for 480p, problem came back.

then i found this forum and discovered the forced 720p upscale and thought that might work. tried it, same problem but now picture is now 4:3. same thing for the wii which was previously perfect. so that setting won't work. i changed configuration on the component inputs (1, then 2, then 3) no difference.

the only workaround i have is i had to run component out of 705, in addition to hdmi, to tv. i use hdmi for everything except xbox. i must then set hdmi monitor out to "no" on 705 to get the component signal out of the 705 to tv which appparently passes the component xbox signal untouched because it works great.

it's strange that it messes up the xbox 480p signal but not the wii 480p signal. and then on top of that, forcing 720p upscaling turns both signals to a 4:3 picture.

anybody else run into this xbox problem. i told my wife i have no option other than buying an xbox 360 to solve this. this is serious stuff!

Well since the "forced" 720P option isnt an advertised feature, i dont think we can do anything about that... it is only via a secret menu that we can force it, and evidently given that it is only accessible via a secret menu, onkyo knew it wasnt working properly (otherwise one assumes they would tout this capability and offer a setup menu to choose it).

From my readins i understand though that AUTO mode is supposed to take signals greater than 480, and scale them to 720P. I am interested in whether this is the case. Apparently PAL version Wii can do 576i so itd be interesting to see someone with a PAL one try the onkyo upscaling and see if it goes to 720P even on AUTO (and hopefully correctly does widescreen)

As for the xbox original... on mine with component cables i can select from 480P, 720P and 1080i - have you tried these different settings, as one assumes the onkyo does different processing depending on the input signal, so it may resoilve the shaking.image problems if you can input 720P, or 480i, rather than 480P. Maybe??

Unfortunately I cant test this as my TV is old, so i cant go higher than 480P, nor can I use HDMI

Another thing... i thought that component video should always be passed through to the component output, even if HDMI Monitor is set to ON. So hopefully you wont need to keep changing that setting back and forth, even if you do have to change your tv inputs between HDMI and Component, when wanting to use your xbox
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post #1626 of 8851
12/18/07 at 9:52pm
Quickstrike, I was lucky got my recv'r when our dollar was $1.04 US for $525. It has now gone back up in price to $700 US. You could buy one from the Onkyo.com website they sell refurbished ones. Keep in mind that US products have no warranty here in Canada. Aye prices here are stupid.. I'm in Wpg, and Visions and Krazy Krazy's both sell this recv'r for $1000 +/- $100.

If you have family in the US I would check out Circuit City.. just did 769. But may drop for Boxing Day if they do sales that week. OH if your in the market for a HD DVD player, A3 (only does 1080i max) is $199 from Amazon ( they won't sell electronics to Cnd) comes with 10 free HD dvd's I do recall. and the A30 $232 that does 1080p but not everyones TV can do that so your call.

AGGEFEN : 705 vs 705s. s = Silver the other one is black. If you don't care for the colour of your machine get the 705s if its cheaper.. I have 705b and since most ppl like to have black electronics the silver ones get a lower price tag when they are being discounted.
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post #1627 of 8851
12/18/07 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by Cnd Joe View Post

Quickstrike, I was lucky got my recv'r when our dollar was $1.04 US for $525. It has now gone back up in price to $700 US. You could buy one from the Onkyo.com website they sell refurbished ones. Keep in mind that US products have no warranty here in Canada. Aye prices here are stupid.. I'm in Wpg, and Visions and Krazy Krazy's both sell this recv'r for $1000 +/- $100.

If you have family in the US I would check out Circuit City.. just did 769. But may drop for Boxing Day if they do sales that week. OH if your in the market for a HD DVD player, A3 (only does 1080i max) is $199 from Amazon ( they won't sell electronics to Cnd) comes with 10 free HD dvd's I do recall. and the A30 $232 that does 1080p but not everyones TV can do that so your call.

AGGEFEN : 705 vs 705s. s = Silver the other one is black. If you don't care for the colour of your machine get the 705s if its cheaper.. I have 705b and since most ppl like to have black electronics the silver ones get a lower price tag when they are being discounted.

The Toshiba A35 (or XA2) are worthwhile considering, for pairing up with the 705, if you want to take advantage of the 705's capability to decode TrueHD and DTS-MA etc... those are the only 2 HD-DVD players (sorry there is the onkyo one as well for even more $$) that support that functionality
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post #1628 of 8851
12/19/07 at 6:32am
scarecrow,

yes, i also have the option of selecting 480p, 720p, or 1080i in the xbox menu. i had messed around with that option also and i came to this conclusion; i believe that the settings are for letting the xbox know that you have a tv that can dislpay a 480p signal providing only if the game being played supports this format. same for 720p and 1080i. the game must state on the back of the box that it can played in this format, although i know there are very few games that support 720p and probably none for 1080i. all my games have 480p highlighted on box, therefore cannot be played in 720p or 1080i mode. it's not upscaling, just allowing max signal for that particular game. even though i set all formats to "yes" in xbox menu, i can't get a 720p signal from a 480p game straight out of xbox.

again, enter 705. i thought maybe forcing 720p might solve the video problem, but didn't. follow along if you can.

i set xbox "yes" to all formats, "auto" on 705. receive 480p signal at tv (osg on tv says confirms this) picture shakes, then splits and reverses.

i set xbox "no" only on 480p, "auto" on 705. receive a 480p signal at tv. picture is stable, but not nearly as sharp as above method. this leads me to believe that the 705 is upscaling the 480i xbox signal to 480p onkyo signal while set to auto. 705 scaling is not as sharp as xbox native 480p.

so i set 705 to "720p". video is now 4:3. so that won't work.

set xbox to "yes" on all formats. set 705 to "no" on hdmi monitor out so signal will go out component from 705. tv says it's receiving 480p via Y-PBPR. picture is sharp and stable.

and if i want to put signal out component from 705, the only way i can figure this out is to set hdmi monitor to "no" and then back to "yes" for everything else. i, like you, thought it would auto detect component out to component, but it doesn't. there's no option to set this (secret or otherwise) to have 705 output to component when using a component source. strange, given the onkyo manual states that THX recommends this method over component to hdmi, yet provides no setting to automaticly do so.
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post #1629 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:01am
I had a defective 705 and traded it for a new one. Noticed that they changed the box. The original 705 was just called the 705, and the replacement one was called 705 (B). Both were black.

I wonder if one indicates a newer or older box. It's likely only the packaging changed and not the contents, but it's out there as another thing we can go nuts over.
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post #1630 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by bcturns View Post

scarecrow,

yes, i also have the option of selecting 480p, 720p, or 1080i in the xbox menu. i had messed around with that option also and i came to this conclusion; i believe that the settings are for letting the xbox know that you have a tv that can dislpay a 480p signal providing only if the game being played supports this format. same for 720p and 1080i. the game must state on the back of the box that it can played in this format, although i know there are very few games that support 720p and probably none for 1080i. all my games have 480p highlighted on box, therefore cannot be played in 720p or 1080i mode. it's not upscaling, just allowing max signal for that particular game. even though i set all formats to "yes" in xbox menu, i can't get a 720p signal from a 480p game straight out of xbox.

again, enter 705. i thought maybe forcing 720p might solve the video problem, but didn't. follow along if you can.

i set xbox "yes" to all formats, "auto" on 705. receive 480p signal at tv (osg on tv says confirms this) picture shakes, then splits and reverses.

i set xbox "no" only on 480p, "auto" on 705. receive a 480p signal at tv. picture is stable, but not nearly as sharp as above method. this leads me to believe that the 705 is upscaling the 480i xbox signal to 480p onkyo signal while set to auto. 705 scaling is not as sharp as xbox native 480p.

so i set 705 to "720p". video is now 4:3. so that won't work.

set xbox to "yes" on all formats. set 705 to "no" on hdmi monitor out so signal will go out component from 705. tv says it's receiving 480p via Y-PBPR. picture is sharp and stable.

and if i want to put signal out component from 705, the only way i can figure this out is to set hdmi monitor to "no" and then back to "yes" for everything else. i, like you, thought it would auto detect component out to component, but it doesn't. there's no option to set this (secret or otherwise) to have 705 output to component when using a component source. strange, given the onkyo manual states that THX recommends this method over component to hdmi, yet provides no setting to automaticly do so.

You, dear sir, need to just buy a 360.
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post #1631 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by bobpenn View Post

I had a defective 705 and traded it for a new one. Noticed that they changed the box. The original 705 was just called the 705, and the replacement one was called 705 (B). Both were black.

I wonder if one indicates a newer or older box. It's likely only the packaging changed and not the contents, but it's out there as another thing we can go nuts over.

705 (B) just means it's black, as opposed to the 705 (S) which is silver. Likely just a packaging change to better indicate which is in the box.
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post #1632 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by jutley View Post

I wonder what the difference is then? Maybe I'll try one of the other component inputs and see if that changes anything.

Anyone else have component from a Wii into the 705 going out via HDMI and displaying 16:9 successfully?

My Wii is displaying 16:9 properly on my Panny plasma via HDMI.
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post #1633 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by AlanWf View Post

I've searched through the form for this, but forgive me if it's already answered. While I'm waiting for my 705 to come in, I've been drawing up wiring plans, and here is my question:

I will use the 705 for all of my movie watching inputs, (with 5.1 output) but would like to have my feed from DirectTV be either TV sound or 705 sounddepending on what we're watching. (For all I know, I may end up wanting the surround sound on for Daily Show, but I doubt it.) What is the easiest way to do this? Is there a second way that ensures higher quality audio and/or video?

Thanks in advance,

Alan

I second the vote for the solution another person posted. I run the HDMI from my DirecTV box to the TV and run the optical out from the DirecTV to the 705. This allows you the best of both worlds. Since DirecTV isn't using the new higher definition audio formats, such as Dolby TrueHD, nothing is lost with this technique.

In my case, I only had one HDMI input on my TV, so I use a Monoprice HDMI switcher to feed my TV. The DirectTV goes to one input, and the HDMI output from the 705 goes to another input of the Monoprice.

The Monoprice is not HDMI 1.3a, but since my TV doesn't have any 1.3a features, it doesn't matter. If you need a 1.3a switcher, they do make one.

If you need their URL,it's www.monoprice.com
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post #1634 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

705 (B) just means it's black, as opposed to the 705 (S) which is silver. Likely just a packaging change to better indicate which is in the box.

Yes, but sometimes packaging changes may indicate a newer box and sometimes newer boxes mean that the contents may have a unannounced updated design. I have seen this before with some hardware, where they change the hardware and do slight changes to the box to differentiate. Sometimes the change is for the good, like a fix, sometimes it's to switch to a cheaper component.
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post #1635 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

You, dear sir, need to just buy a 360.

that's what i've been telling my wife the past couple of weeks!
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post #1636 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:48am
I have an external fan plugged into the power jack on the receiver. I have done the factory reset command several times but I still cannot get the fan to shut off when the receiver is turned off into standby mode.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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post #1637 of 8851
12/19/07 at 7:59am
Does the 705 pass blacker than black in the video signal? It appears to me that I'm not seeing BTB out of my DVD player (Sony NS75H) since I hooked it up to the 705. I'm not seeing it out of the PS3 either, but I'm not sure that passes BTB to begin with (it used to, but I think an update changed that).
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post #1638 of 8851
12/19/07 at 8:09am
Clubonkyo has a new batch of 705's at $499 less 10%
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post #1639 of 8851
12/19/07 at 8:27am
I've been reading this "new official thread" and the old thread about lip sync issues. So last night I looked at every video source I have plugged into the 705 to see if I had the dreaded lip sync problems. I checked my PS3, Moto HD DVR (don't know model), and older SOny DVD player. I'm happy to report i had none present. I even checked TNT HD because I read this was the worst channel. I thought I'd post my findings because it seems like you always read about the problems people have and hear nothing from happy consumers. I'm very pleased with my purchase.

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post #1640 of 8851
12/19/07 at 8:40am
quick question/confirmation. i have an older sony dvd player that has progressive scan. i'm assuming the best picture i get is 480P out of that thing, now i can go to the "secret menu" and have it up convert to 720P. by doing this it will not effect my PS3 resoluion and HD DVR because it will pass through? also, my dvd player is connected component while my ps3, HD dvr, and tv have hdmi, so the 720P secret may not work due to the connectivity?

thanks again.
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post #1641 of 8851
12/19/07 at 9:59am
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Clubonkyo has a new batch of 705's at $499 less 10%

...and they're gone.
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post #1642 of 8851
12/19/07 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by JimSD View Post

Does the 705 pass blacker than black in the video signal? It appears to me that I'm not seeing BTB out of my DVD player (Sony NS75H) since I hooked it up to the 705. I'm not seeing it out of the PS3 either, but I'm not sure that passes BTB to begin with (it used to, but I think an update changed that).

I don't think the HDMI inputs/outputs are doing any kind of processing on the 705 other than forcing 720p when told to do so. It should pass exactly what your source is feeding it. However, if you are using component video that might be a different story.
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post #1643 of 8851
12/19/07 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by caustic1200 View Post

...and they're gone.

Check at 10:AM every morning, they will be back.
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post #1644 of 8851
12/19/07 at 10:56am
The AC OUTLET that shown on the right end of the 705; do you plug your HDTV to it? And if so, what for?



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post #1645 of 8851
12/19/07 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by woots View Post

I am away on vacation so I don't have my ps3 here to test it, but I figured I'd drop you a response. A long time ago I read 1.1 was supposed to do to blu ray what hd dvd was doing a long time ago and forced decoding into the player (this was 4 months back though) I am sure new players will figure out how to externally decode with 1.1 profile just like hd dvd players figured out a way to get around it.

I never said we will get lossless bitstream ability with 1.1 profile its not part of that profile spec to do so. I did mention in the FAQ in blu ray section.. that if we don't see Sony allowing lossless bitstream with the DTS HD MA decoding firmware update there is a good chance we may never see it. I said that only because its a decoding related firmware update that adds new functionality so it would be a good opportunity for that to add it in at that firmware update. However, even if it doesn't come then doesn't mean it wont.

Just wanted to clear up the confusion. Your test with the new firmware I guess answers the question no lossless bitstream update yet. The purpose of the 1.1 profile update was to allow new media functionality. Don't despair yet though we may get lucky with lossless bitstream on ps3 down the road. Read my section on this in the FAQ i go into deep detail on this will ps3 have lossless bitstream topic in detail.

PS: I personally think lossless bitstream support will never show up on ps3.

Your post wasn't what made me think the PS3 would allow secondary audio decoding. Within the link you posted (that, as I said, has already been taken down) a European Sony CEO (or something) said it should allow secondary audio decoding. THAT's what made me think this update would allow it.

It's not a HUGE deal for me. One, because I haven't heard my receiver decode any HD audio yet (all my players do it themselves), and two because with the 705 and using the lossless PCM and Dolby True HD or DD+ our movies have never sounded better!
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post #1646 of 8851
12/19/07 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by 5thDanMaster View Post

The AC OUTLET that shown on the right end of the 705; do you plug your HDTV to it? And if so, what for?

You can plug in anything you want as long as it doesn't draw more than 120 watts. Most HDTV's would draw more than that, so you wouldn't want to plug your TV in there. The outlet is switched, so it only supplies power when your receiver is on.
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post #1647 of 8851
12/19/07 at 11:53am
5thDanMaster, I wouldn't connect your TV to that outlet. Look at the label, its only 1 Amp, Plus in the hierarchy of things you should have your TV on before other components in the HDMI loop.

Oops, kplex was posting as I was typing.
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post #1648 of 8851
12/19/07 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by 5thDanMaster View Post

The AC OUTLET that shown on the right end of the 705; do you plug your HDTV to it? And if so, what for?

I use mine for the cooling fan on top of the 705. It is only powered when the 705 is on.
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post #1649 of 8851
12/19/07 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by davenrino View Post

I use mine for the cooling fan on top of the 705. It is only powered when the 705 is on.

I have my Sirius home tuner plugged into it.
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post #1650 of 8851
12/19/07 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by davenrino View Post

I use mine for the cooling fan on top of the 705. It is only powered when the 705 is on.

My 705's outlet is used as a trigger (with adapter) for my 5-channel power amp.

Why? Because the 705's 12v trigger can only be used for a Zone 2 component.
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