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post #151 of 214
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Originally Posted by MaynardJames View Post

All you have to do is change the .ts from a transport stream into a program stream (.mpg). You can do this easily in VLC. The PS3 will play the program stream perfectly, with DD audio aswell.

FYI for those that don't know about VLC. Info and free download for many different OS platforms is available here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
post #152 of 214
I just downloaded the 2.01 firmware update. I use the PS3 as a blu-ray player only and have had no issues for the first 8 months of ownership. I did download a firmware update when I first connected the console.

However, the "Live Free or Die Hard" disc started with a prompt that suggested a firmware update for optimal audio and video playback. I ignored the prompt but I did indeed have playback problems with the disc (mainly audio dropouts every minute).

After downloading the update, the console is now frozen. The screen displays:

PS3 System Software
Version 2.01


Press the PS button
(use the wireless controller)


I pressed the PS button on the Sony Bluetooth accessory remote....and nothing. I then replaced the batteries. At one point I pressed the PS button for about 15 seconds but this screen display is frozen solid.

I disconnected the player for about a half hour hoping for a re-boot. No luck.

Anybody have any idea how to restart this thing? Thanks.
post #153 of 214
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Originally Posted by gary miller View Post

I just downloaded the 2.01 firmware update. I use the PS3 as a blu-ray player only and have had no issues for the first 8 months of ownership. I did download a firmware update when I first connected the console.

However, the "Live Free or Die Hard" disc started with a prompt that suggested a firmware update for optimal audio and video playback. I ignored the prompt but I did indeed have playback problems with the disc (mainly audio dropouts every minute).

After downloading the update, the console is now frozen. The screen displays:
PS3 System Software
Version 2.01


Press the PS button
(use the wireless controller)

I pressed the PS button on the Sony Bluetooth accessory remote....and nothing. I then replaced the batteries. At one point I pressed the PS button for about 15 seconds but this screen display is frozen solid.

I disconnected the player for about a half hour hoping for a re-boot. No luck.

Anybody have any idea how to restart this thing? Thanks.

Did you use the wireless controller like the prompt requested? The BD remote will not work here! I would plug the controller in via USB, but wirelessly should work too. Don't use the remote control when doing updates and you should be fine in the future (if you haven't bricked your unit that is.)
post #154 of 214
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Originally Posted by ToEhrIsHuman View Post

Did you use the wireless controller like the prompt requested? The BD remote will not work here! I would plug the controller in via USB, but wirelessly should work too. Don't use the remote control when doing updates and you should be fine in the future (if you haven't bricked your unit that is.)

THANKS!...and in the immortal word of Homer Simpson: DOH! I'm a little embarrassed.

I actually put the sixaxis controller back in the box the day after I set the unit up and forgot all about it.

Thanks for pointing this out before I took a sledgehammer to the console. Everything appears to be in order now.
post #155 of 214
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

FYI for those that don't know about VLC. Info and free download for many different OS platforms is available here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

I have yet to read through the instructions for VLC, I have used it in the past basically as a test bed to verify whether or not various codecs are working properly in other applications, but, can VLC be setup to stream automatically, or does each file need to be transcoded before the PS3 will recognize/play it?
post #156 of 214
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Originally Posted by Jason One View Post

I take back what I said, partially. The PS3 still passes BTB on standard DVD, but not Blu-ray.

I just checked out the THX Optimizer on the Terminator 2 Blu-ray, and the two darkest gray bars are no longer visible.

Very disappointing. Now I really regret updating to firmware 2.0. Please bring back BTB, Sony.

I believe the disks themselves didn't have BTB encoded on them for some early BDs. Try a more recent disk.
post #157 of 214
can i use a PSP as a remote control for my PS3? i want a remote with a screen so i don't have to turn on my projector.
post #158 of 214
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Originally Posted by Jason One View Post

Sorry for the false alarm, everyone. It looks like the PS3 still does BTB on both DVD and Blu-ray.

... Not via component outputs
post #159 of 214
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Originally Posted by raoul View Post

can i use a PSP as a remote control for my PS3? i want a remote with a screen so i don't have to turn on my projector.

No unfortunately it does not. There are a few of us that really wish it did though. I want to use it to remotely control the audio that is piped through out the house.
post #160 of 214
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I have updated the first post in this thread to include summary infomation on the anticipated future firmware updates for BD Profile 1.1 and for DTS HD-MA. I have also included a note that there now appears to be confirmation that the HDMI transmitter chip used within the PS3 cannot support a bitstream output of the advanced audio formats (i.e, only internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA and output via LPCM). I have also updated the early information related to the PS3's ability to pass Blacker-than-Black to clarify that in fact it will pass BTB when set up to output over HDMI in Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr mode.

Ron Jones
post #161 of 214
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

I have updated the first post in this thread to include summary infomation on the anticipated future firmware updates for BD Profile 1.1 and for DTS HD-MA. I have also included a note that there now appears to be confirmation that the HDMI transmitter chip used within the PS3 cannot support a bitstream output of the advanced audio formats (i.e, only internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA and output via LPCM). I have also updated the early information related to the PS3's ability to pass Blacker-than-Black to clarify that in fact it will pass BTB when set up to output over HDMI in Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr mode.

Ron Jones

Is it possible that an upcoming version of the PS3 could have an HDMI transmitter chip that will pass bitstream audio?
post #162 of 214
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

Is it possible that an upcoming version of the PS3 could have an HDMI transmitter chip that will pass bitstream audio?

It's possible that a future version of the PS3 will support bitstreaming, DVD Audio discs, Apple Quicktime, and lord knows what else. What's impossible is knowing what SONY might build in the future.

In other words, you asked a question with no real answer, or every possible answer, if you like.
post #163 of 214
I just thought if they are currently using an older outdated part that maybe they would start to replace it with a newer better part. I guess at some point you could say that about every part and thats when they come out with the PS4.
post #164 of 214
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I have yet to read through the instructions for VLC, I have used it in the past basically as a test bed to verify whether or not various codecs are working properly in other applications, but, can VLC be setup to stream automatically, or does each file need to be transcoded before the PS3 will recognize/play it?

You don't have to transcode anything, all you are doing is changing it from an mpeg-2 transport stream (.ts) into a mpeg-2 program stream (.mpg) using VLC. Also, the way I use it is to burn my files to DVD, which I then play on the PS3, so I don't have much info as far as streaming goes.

Also, there is still no confirmation about bistreaming, so that should not be included in this thread.
post #165 of 214
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Originally Posted by Schlotkins View Post

Can it handle files more than 4gigs? I guess I have some 2 hour movies recorded and I'd love to just be able to play them off my PS3. How much bandwidth can you get on its 802.11g card? Or should I transfer them? Can I do that off an external USB device?

Sorry for all the questions!

The PS3 can handle files larger than 4GB if they are burned to disc, which is how I do it. I don't know much as far as streaming them goes as I do not do that.
post #166 of 214
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Originally Posted by MaynardJames View Post

You don't have to transcode anything, all you are doing is changing it from an mpeg-2 transport stream (.ts) into a mpeg-2 program stream (.mpg) using VLC. Also, the way I use it is to burn my files to DVD, which I then play on the PS3, so I don't have much info as far as streaming goes.

You can use Tversity to stream your mpeg program streams. I had no luck with Nero Share streaming mpeg-ps files. I was able even to stream .ts Blu-Ray rip encoded in h.264 using Tversity, though PS3 pleyed it with no sound. It will require some sort of demultiplexing and audio conversion to make it playable.
post #167 of 214
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

I have also updated the early information related to the PS3's ability to pass Blacker-than-Black to clarify that in fact it will pass BTB when set up to output over HDMI in Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr mode.

Ron Jones

I guess I had one of those Blu-Ray discs with test pattern missing the pludge. I can easily confirm it with DVDs when I get home.
post #168 of 214
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Originally Posted by MaynardJames View Post

The PS3 can handle files larger than 4GB if they are burned to disc, which is how I do it. I don't know much as far as streaming them goes as I do not do that.

I have streamed MPEG 2 files larger than 4GB over the wireless several times with no issues whatsoever. I have a wireless N/G setup with the router in the basement and the PS3 in the bedroom upstairs. I just actually copied a 9GB file over the wireless onto the PS3 hard drive with no problems either. I'm using firmware 2.01.

Best.......Carlo.

P.S. I'm just using file sharing via Windows Media Player 11. I have not tried TVersity yet.
post #169 of 214
So I guess it turns out that I was correct about the lack of streaming ability of the PS3 all along. Perhaps I was remembering some ealier post from someone that was in the know that I couldnt recall.

ahhh Vindication.
post #170 of 214
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Originally Posted by MaynardJames View Post

You don't have to transcode anything, all you are doing is changing it from an mpeg-2 transport stream (.ts) into a mpeg-2 program stream (.mpg) using VLC. Also, the way I use it is to burn my files to DVD, which I then play on the PS3, so I don't have much info as far as streaming goes.

Also, there is still no confirmation about bistreaming, so that should not be included in this thread.

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Originally Posted by tpaxadpom View Post

You can use Tversity to stream your mpeg program streams. I had no luck with Nero Share streaming mpeg-ps files. I was able even to stream .ts Blu-Ray rip encoded in h.264 using Tversity, though PS3 pleyed it with no sound. It will require some sort of demultiplexing and audio conversion to make it playable.

Thanks, I'll have to give those ideas a try. I haven't messed with it since FW 1.9x when the video worked, but there was no audio.
post #171 of 214
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Originally Posted by tpaxadpom View Post

I guess I had one of those Blu-Ray discs with test pattern missing the pludge. I can easily confirm it with DVDs when I get home.

I based my earlier update on at least two forum members reporting they were now getting BTB. However I tried it myself and I cannot get BTB from either BD nor DVD. I used the THX pattern on two titles (Black Hawk Down and Spiderman 3) and for DVD I used DVE. The BTB bar is not visible with either type of disc when displayed on my JVC DILA RPTV using 1080p/60 input via HDMI. I have updated the 1st posting in this thread to indicate there may still be a question related to the PS3 passing BTB. However, it could be that my HDTV will not pass BTB via its HDMI input.
post #172 of 214
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

I based my earlier update on at least two forum members reporting they were now getting BTB. However I tried it myself and I cannot get BTB from either BD nor DVD. I used the THX pattern on two titles (Black Hawk Down and Spiderman 3) and for DVD I used DVE. The BTB bar is not visible with either type of disc when displayed on my JVC DILA RPTV using 1080p/60 input via HDMI. I have updated the 1st posting in this thread to indicate there may still be a question related to the PS3 passing BTB. However, it could be that my HDTV will not pass BTB via its HDMI input.

i wouldn't be so quick to blame your display. i am using a dvi/hdmi connection and couldget BTB just fine up until 1.8, now nothing.
post #173 of 214
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

i wouldn't be so quick to blame your display. i am using a dvi/hdmi connection and couldget BTB just fine up until 1.8, now nothing.

That has been a specific problem for HDMI-DVI connections since 1.81, but the PS3 has consistently passed BTB over HDMI-HDMI connections since 1.80.
post #174 of 214
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Originally Posted by Jason One View Post

That has been a specific problem for HDMI-DVI connections since 1.81, but the PS3 has consistently passed BTB over HDMI-HDMI connections since 1.80.

since it was working on dvi-hdmi before 1.81, i hope they are able to address the issue some time down the line....
post #175 of 214
DVI isn't compatible with color difference signal (component). And PS3 doesn't pass BTW in RGB.
I was too lazy yesterday to pull one of the calibration DVDs but I recived a Sony Blu-Ray disc from Blockbuster and I can confirm it does pass BTW in FW2.0 (Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr with super white on).
I believe previously when I left color options to Automatic it always used Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr mode and now it switches to RGB. I doubt I haven't noticed it but it's kind of strange if the previous Blu-Ray disc test pattern didn't have pluge.
post #176 of 214
Thread Starter 
A quick update on my experience with displaying BTB. I disconnected my PS3 from my JVC DILA RPTV (where I didn't get BTB) and connected it to a Vizio LCD that I have and it does display the BTB bar on the THX test pattern on BD. Therefore my JVC is not passing the BTB video levels (digital levels 0-15) that are input via its HDMI and the issue is not with the PS3. I have updated the first post in this thread, once again, on the subject of PS3 support for BTB.

Ron Jones
post #177 of 214
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

... it appears to be confirmation that the HDMI transmitter chip used within the PS3 cannot support a bitstream output of the advanced audio formats (i.e, only internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA and output via LPCM). ....

I'm not convinced by your reference. Sorry, Maxx (vindication was so close). Maybe I'm unable to accept reality, but the e-mail from silicon image "confirming" the inability of the chip to handle bitstream is shady.

The e-mail says that the chip doesn't handle TrueHD or DTS-HD (end of e-mail). Obviously, the chip handles TrueHD and sends it out LPCM. The question was for DTS-HD MA and more specifically those formats passed via bitstream. If "Michael" from Silicon Image were so knowledgable then he'd know that he can't just lop off the MA or say that it doesn't handle TrueHD without mentioning bitstream.

Does anyone else feel a lack of closure with Ron's reference?
post #178 of 214
More information from Ron's source (the thread ends with this information):

"I had a phone conversation with the engineer to confirm all this info. You are correct the 9132 is not public, and he could not confirm what vendors use the chip. Full specs and data sheet require an NDA"

In all likely hood, Michael from SI probably looked up the 1932 specs seeing as it would be illegal (?) for him to give private information out about the 9132. I'm not trying to prove or disprove the PS3's ability to output bitstream. I just think Ron should not use that post as proof. Is there something I missed?
post #179 of 214
AVchemE,
have you seen this press release http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384 ?

“Sony has indicated that the PlayStation 3 is expected to ship in November of this year with the ability to render the highest-quality video ever seen in a consumer device,” said Dale Zimmerman, vice president of marketing at Silicon Image. “The SiI 9133 receiver matches the capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and makes it possible for HDTV manufacturers to ship products this year that are capable of displaying Deep Color images, for the highest-quality gaming experience and fullest enjoyment of high-definition movies. The SiI 9134 brings these same benefits to next generation DVD players, with additional support for the latest high-quality audio formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.”
I think this says it all.
post #180 of 214
Ron, I have a slight correction for your instructions about BTB and WTW in the first post:

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

In order to get the PS3 to pass BTB and WTW it must be configured correctly in the PS3's setup menus. Specifically in order to get both Blacker-than-Black and Whiter-Than-White to be output from the PS3 use the following settings (note some HDTVs can only accept video in RGB mode via their HDMI interface and in that case you will need to configure PS3 to output RGB via HDMI (or set the HDMI mode to 'Auto') and you will not be able to get BTB nor WTW):

a. Blacker-Than-Black setup
- Settings menu
- BD/DVD Settings
- BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

b. Whiter-Than-White setup
- Settings menu
- Display Settings
- Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) set to on

You suggest that Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr alone will enable BTB, and Super-White on will enable WTW.

However, they are not separated like that. I believe you'll find that Super-White is needed for both BTB and WTW. When Super-White is off, you will get neither BTB nor WTW. When it is on, you'll get both.
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