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post #7291 of 12539
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

What I need to figure out is which of the newer crop of receivers, which brand will hook up with the BD30 and give me the TrueHD sound? Is anyone here usingone of the the latest models from Marantz, Pioneer, Yamaha, or Onkyo and able to output TruHD successfully? Thanks!

To answer your first questions any AVR that decodes DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA will work fine. Others have provided lists and posted links. If you at a website like crutchfield (you can find better deals elsewhere but they have good info) just look for AVR with HDMI switching and state "decodes or supports TrueHD. Every AVR I have seen if they support 1 of the 4 new codecs they support all of them.

To answer your second question. It is insanely easy. I have Onkyo-705. Connect HDMI cable to one of the HDMI inputs. Go into onkyo menu and set that HDMI input as proper source (I use DVD). On the BD30 go into menu and set all format options to bitstream. Load a disc. When disc starts playing it might be on just DD or DTS. Press Audio button until right track is playing. The TrueHD light "lights" up on the 705. Enjoy.

Setup takes about 2-3 minutes (if that). Once setup it just works 100% of the time. Getting the right player is the hard part. Getting an HDMI v1.3 AVR/Pre-pro is the second key step. Once you have both it is child's play. No messing with player decoders, no incomplete support (i.e decodes TrueHD but not DTS-HD), no wondering if Sony will release a firmware update for the PS3, no having to use analog in and bypass all your AVR settings.

You just put disc in and it sounds amazing.
post #7292 of 12539
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Originally Posted by donaldsonjune View Post

rynberg,

what sound would i get if i go 6-channel out from the bd30 to the 6-channel input to the rotel rsp1068 on bypass mode?????

You will only get decoded DD/DTS or PCM. You will NOT get decoded TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. You need a BD-50 for that.

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Originally Posted by khwiggins2 View Post

In your case the only reason I could see to wait for the BD50, would be if you're uncomfortable burning your own update cds. With the BD50, you should be able to update over the internet, with the BD30, you have to burn your own firmware disc.

NOT! His receiver cannot decode the latest formats, he needs a player that does, hence he needs a BD50.
post #7293 of 12539
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Originally Posted by namechamps View Post

To answer your first questions any AVR that decodes DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA will work fine. Others have provided lists and posted links. If you at a website like crutchfield (you can find better deals elsewhere but they have good info) just look for AVR with HDMI switching and state "decodes or supports TrueHD. Every AVR I have seen if they support 1 of the 4 new codecs they support all of them.

To answer your second question. It is insanely easy. I have Onkyo-705. Connect HDMI cable to one of the HDMI inputs. Go into onkyo menu and set that HDMI input as proper source (I use DVD). On the BD30 go into menu and set all format options to bitstream. Load a disc. When disc starts playing it might be on just DD or DTS. Press Audio button until right track is playing. The TrueHD light "lights" up on the 705. Enjoy.

Setup takes about 2-3 minutes (if that). Once setup it just works 100% of the time. Getting the right player is the hard part. Getting an HDMI v1.3 AVR/Pre-pro is the second key step. Once you have both it is child's play. No messing with player decoders, no incomplete support (i.e decodes TrueHD but not DTS-HD), no wondering if Sony will release a firmware update for the PS3, no having to use analog in and bypass all your AVR settings.

You just put disc in and it sounds amazing.


I'm at work and not in front of my system, so this may be a stupid question but when you wrote "Press audio until ..." did you mean on the remote for the BD30 or the Onkyo? I have an Onkyo 605. I'm still trying to figure out all the different types of playback options . Do you have any hints?
post #7294 of 12539
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Originally Posted by jojomenn View Post

I'm at work and not in front of my system, so this may be a stupid question but when you wrote "Press audio until ..." did you mean on the remote for the BD30 or the Onkyo? I have an Onkyo 605. I'm still trying to figure out all the different types of playback options . Do you have any hints?

I was referring to press "Audio button" on DMP-BD30 remote to select proper (trueHD, LPCM, DTS-HD) track. You could also use the player menu and select proper track.

On my 705 I don't want any extra processing other than Audessey EQ. The TrueHD & DTS-HD tracks are already close to perfect so I find no reason to do any "tweaking".

I set TrueHD to TrueHD mode, DTS-HD to DTS-HD mode, DD+ to DD+ mode. If you go into the format setup menu you can set the default mode. I.e when a TrueHD track plays the AVR will automatically switch to TrueHD.

Once setup I never change processing mode on AVR for BD.
post #7295 of 12539
Thanks, I'll play with that tonight. My wife will be so happy.
post #7296 of 12539
The BD30 bitstreams everything, including True HD to my Integra 9.8 where it is decoded. Everything travels via HDMI. I do not use any other wires for anything from CD's to BluRay's to Audio DVD discs I've burned at 24bit/96kHz from old R to R tapes.
post #7297 of 12539
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Originally Posted by krisjan View Post

Once and for all, the BD30 does not decode True-HD

Can a firm ware fix that???
post #7298 of 12539
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Originally Posted by aham23 View Post

^^^^ no help on your issue, but dang i wish i had an HDDVD player that would just bitstream and not internally decode the audio so i could see TrueHD light up when i play the Matrix!!

the toshiba xa2 will do this. I own it.
post #7299 of 12539
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Originally Posted by inspector View Post

Can a firm ware fix that???

There's nothing to "fix" - the BD30 is designed to pass hi-rez audio via bitstream - it does not nor was it intended to decode either True-HD or DTS-MA. The new BD50 however will decode both of those hi-rez formats. If you don't have a 1.3 HDMI AVR to use with the BD30 then you should buy the BD50.
post #7300 of 12539
Is this really so hard to understand? If you buy an inexpensive player like the BS 30, you will need a receiver or preamp/controller that will decode the new codecs. The BD30 passes a bitstream that may contain even TrueHD if you select it when you boot the disc. It does not internally decode several of the advanced codecs.
post #7301 of 12539
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Originally Posted by tcwatkins View Post

Never confuse the impossible with the highly unlikely. It could happen. But still, dould you have a strange bend in your HDMI cables that could damage them? Or could you have a physical problem connecting to the pins, like a spot of dirt or grease on your player or receiver? Maybe a slightly loose connection that vibrates with high LFE? Just some thoughts.

I'm going to use the old HDMI cable for now, and see if it takes a bit for the sparkles to show up, if they do at all. Are there any disadvantages of using a non v1.3 HDMI cable? If now Ill just stick with this cable that seems to be working ok. Also I forgot to mention in my first post that if I switched the panny back to 1080i the speckles would go away and as soon as I turn 1080p back on they show up again. I think I might email monoprice and see if I can return them.
post #7302 of 12539
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Perhaps "decode" isn't the proper word. The BD30 passes these signals (including dts HD MA) to a receiver via bitstream over HDMI, but the receiver must be capable of processing the signal or no advanced audio will be available. You will only get dts or DD. I think of what the receiver does as "decoding," but that may not be technically correct.

You will not get advanced audio from the BD30's analog outputs. (IIRC, your BD10 does this, except for HD MA.)

In any case, my answer to the question is appropriate, as are the others that said the same thing. The HDMI 1.2 receiver he was considering will not give him advanced audio when connected to a BD30.

Thanks macfan. In the Panny spec it stated "Decodes" followed by "sent as bitstream" I didn't read far enough.

Sorry if I upset some people.

ayrton
post #7303 of 12539
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Originally Posted by ayrton View Post

Thanks macfan. In the Panny spec it stated "Decodes" followed by "sent as bitstream" I didn't read far enough.

Sorry if I upset some people.

ayrton

Panny's literature is confusing.
post #7304 of 12539
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Panny's literature is confusing.

Even the owner's manual is.
post #7305 of 12539
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Yes but at the same time folks throw around the same word to mean two different things and that gets them confused as well.

We need one of those automatic vocab checker things so when people type bitstream, pcm, decode, pass through, etc., little definition boxes pop-up so everyone is using the terms in the same way.

That'd be good. I'd like to suggest having Ozzie Osborne "voice" the popups with abusive language.
post #7306 of 12539
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

That'd be good. I'd like to suggest having Ozzie Osborne "voice" the popups with abusive language.

lol It's Ozzy Osbourne not Ozzie Osborne.
post #7307 of 12539
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Even the owner's manual is.

If you think the Panny's manual is confusing, you should have checked out the Yamaha's v661 I had before I traded it in for a properly decoding capable Onkyo. Oi, I think it was written (translated) by a dysfunctional non-Japanese speaking redneck hillbilly raised by a pair of racoons deep in the Arkansas backwoods. So I said, in my best Ozzy voice "F**k that, Sharon! Get the car and take me to the f***in' BB so I can trade this piece of s**t in!"
post #7308 of 12539
Still really haven't got an answer to TrueHD. I understand. The BD30 doesn't decode but we're talking audio, correct? Just trying to understand all this. What audible difference will there be with TrueHD? Doesn't sound also depend on what you're playing it through? So every Blue ray disc has True HD, or are we talking just a few? Can someone please tell me why a person would want or need the ability to decode all the formats? It's confusing me 'cause I don't want to make a limiting choice, I can get a BD30 now and apply my gift cards so end price at BB would be about $175. Do it or wait?
post #7309 of 12539
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Originally Posted by plastydoc View Post

Still really haven't got an answer to TrueHD. I understand. The BD30 doesn't decode but we're talking audio, correct? Just trying to understand all this. What audible difference will there be with TrueHD? Doesn't sound also depend on what you're playing it through? So every Blue ray disc has True HD, or are we talking just a few? Can someone please tell me why a person would want or need the ability to decode all the formats? It's confusing me 'cause I don't want to make a limiting choice, I can get a BD30 now and apply my gift cards so end price at BB would be about $175. Do it or wait?

Just do it. Run an optical cable from the BD30 to your AV receiver for DD/DTS, don't worry about the other audio formats. You won't be able to tell the difference anyway. Just pay the $175, buy a couple of discs, plug it in and enjoy. Don't bother with updating the firmware, you won't need what it fixes.
In other words. Just keep it simple for now. Have fun.

P.S. Don't forget to read the owner's manual all the way through
post #7310 of 12539
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Originally Posted by Ryan48 View Post

Ok guys I have the weirdest problem with my player, Last night I was about to watch a movie when I noticed white speckles on the blue Panasonic screen. I'm using a monoprice v1.3 HDMI cable hooked to my Onkyo 805. The weird part is, That ive had my player hooked up for a little over a week now and this just started to happen, could the cable go bad that quick? So what I did was use the HDMI cable from my XA2 and the speckles where worse . I bought these v1.3 cables at the same time just last week, but I see no speckles using my XA2. For my last try to get the speckles to go away was too use a old monoprice HDMI cable that ive had for a few years and bam no more speckles . So how unlucky am I get 2 bad HDMI cables in one week? Oh and by the way the cables are only 3 feet long so distance ant a factor. I think its kind of odd it took a week for this problem to show up, has anyone else had this happen? Thanks again Ryan

here are some pics of my setup:

No clue if this could be it but... You aren't crossing your power cables over your HDMI cables or anything right?
post #7311 of 12539
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Originally Posted by ml2517 View Post

No clue if this could be it but... You aren't crossing your power cables over your HDMI cables or anything right?

Um, just the power for the 805 and maybe the XA2 and the BD30.
post #7312 of 12539
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Originally Posted by Ryan48 View Post

Um, just the power for the 805 and maybe the XA2 and the BD30.

Try running your HDMI's well away from your power cables and see if it helps.
post #7313 of 12539
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Originally Posted by aham23 View Post

try reading this thread, or better yet, the giant thread about the 1.6 firmware update for the player. later.

Thank you :-)
post #7314 of 12539
I don't think it is bad cables that are causing sparkles. It could be some kind of bad ground. Check to see the cables are seated correctly. There are so many things that could cause the problem it is very hard to say but I doubt it is the cables. I am using the same cables with no problems and I also have a BD 30 and XA2. What set are you going into?
post #7315 of 12539
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I don't think it is bad cables that are causing sparkles. It could be some kind of bad ground. Check to see the cables are seated correctly. There are so many things that could cause the problem it is very hard to say but I doubt it is the cables. I am using the same cables with no problems and I also have a BD 30 and XA2. What set are you going into?

Samsung 4671f, I don't understand why the old cable works fine, just got done watching 30 days of night with no sparkles.
post #7316 of 12539
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Originally Posted by krisjan View Post

There's nothing to "fix" - the BD30 is designed to pass hi-rez audio via bitstream - it does not nor was it intended to decode either True-HD or DTS-MA. The new BD50 however will decode both of those hi-rez formats. If you don't have a 1.3 HDMI AVR to use with the BD30 then you should buy the BD50.

My tv doesn't have DVI or HDMI, only component, so I'm limited. My a/v receiver only has op/coa/5.1, so I'm limited.

I buy the HD A1 and I get TruHD thru the 5.1. I buy the BD30 over 30 days ago figuring it did the same as the HD A1.

It wasn't until last week did I find out the bad news about the BD30.

I bet I'm in the majority when all I want to do is get hi def movies and not have to keep spending a bundle to try and get it with what I have.
post #7317 of 12539
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Originally Posted by plastydoc View Post

Still really haven't got an answer to TrueHD. I understand. The BD30 doesn't decode but we're talking audio, correct? Just trying to understand all this. What audible difference will there be with TrueHD? Doesn't sound also depend on what you're playing it through? So every Blue ray disc has True HD, or are we talking just a few? Can someone please tell me why a person would want or need the ability to decode all the formats? It's confusing me 'cause I don't want to make a limiting choice, I can get a BD30 now and apply my gift cards so end price at BB would be about $175. Do it or wait?

man oh man. it has been said and said again, this unit will pass the audio signals to your receiver for IT to decode. if your receiver can decode all the current audio formats then this unit is the way to go. if it can NOT then maybe you should wait.

i dont think you will be able to tell a difference in the sound quality between formats.

ofcourse, if you have crap for speakers they will produce crap no matter what you feed them.

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Originally Posted by TAZMOJ View Post

Thank you :-)

you are welcome.

later.
post #7318 of 12539
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Originally Posted by CDBT View Post

lol It's Ozzy Osbourne not Ozzie Osborne.

I was getting him mixed up with Ozzie Nelson I guess.
post #7319 of 12539
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I was getting him mixed up with Ozzie Nelson I guess.

The spelling didn't matter. It was funny anyway
post #7320 of 12539
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Yes but at the same time folks throw around the same word to mean two different things and that gets them confused as well.

We need one of those automatic vocab checker things so when people type bitstream, pcm, decode, pass through, etc., little definition boxes pop-up so everyone is using the terms in the same way.

That would be too efficient.
How about a "sticky" that explains all of this AND the BD 1.1 and 2.0 specs?

So much time is wasted repeating ourselves around here....
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