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post #1231 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

So i've tried 3319f and 3516 and I still see choppiness in HD DVD playback. Blu-Ray appears to playback just fine. I'm testing using Planet Earth HD DVD. My CPU usage is around 25%, never more than 30% during playback. Maybe I have a setting wrong?

I have to be honest and say that nearly all my recent testing has been done with Blu-Ray discs.

Perhaps HD DVD got broken earlier than BD and, as AbMagFab suggests, only works with 3319a?

According to a review, Planet Earth is VC-1. I'll dust off our old test HD DVD drive tomorrow and try similar content (my HD DVD collection is rather limited but I'm sure I have a VC-1 Disc).

A few questions if I may

1. How bad is the the choppiness? I know it's hard to quantify as most of us consider any to be too much but is it constant or occasional or still every couple of seconds?

2. Are you still using the 15.8 drivers? Might be worth trying 15.7.3 or even 15.6.

3. Are you Ocing at all?

4. Have you got "Intel Clearvideo" ticked under PDVD's video settings?

Cheers,

Wo0zy
post #1232 of 2431
I know this is slightly OT, but has anyone tried Guitar Hero III on the G35? You'd think it wouldn't require much graphics processing power, but it must be one of the most inefficiently programmed engines ever made.
post #1233 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

I have to be honest and say that nearly all my recent testing has been done with Blu-Ray discs.

Perhaps HD DVD got broken earlier than BD and, as AbMagFab suggests, only works with 3319a?

I also tried 3730a again. Same results. Blu-Ray plays fine. HD DVD choppy.

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According to a review, Planet Earth is VC-1. I'll dust off our old test HD DVD drive tomorrow and try similar content (my HD DVD collection is rather limited but I'm sure I have a VC-1 Disc).

A few questions if I may

1. How bad is the the choppiness? I know it's hard to quantify as most of us consider any to be too much but is it constant or occasional or still every couple of seconds?

Well it feels like more like a slow framerate than a typical choppiness. I would estimate i'm getting about 10-15fps. It's pretty noticeable in Planet Earth, most of the shots feel like they're dragging. I tried 300 and it wasn't as bad but then, most of the shots are quick or very slow to begin with.

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2. Are you still using the 15.8 drivers? Might be worth trying 15.7.3 or even 15.6.

15.8. I was running 15.6 earlier, perhaps I will try those again.

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3. Are you Ocing at all?

Nope. Everything is running stock.

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4. Have you got "Intel Clearvideo" ticked under PDVD's video settings?

I did and I turned it off. On or off seems to make zero difference. Blu-Ray plays fine. HD DVD still choppy.
post #1234 of 2431
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

"Persistence" is the function of retaining resolutions during power off, standby, and other similar events. In 15.6.x and lower, this was done differently between mobile and desktop, and between XP and Vista. In 15.7 and higher all were moved to the mobile functionality and merged to one way of handling things (WinXP or Vista, I forget which).

It is my completely uneducated opinion that this is the cause of the 800x600 default mode, since it seems too much of a coincidence that the functionality which governs mode "retention" (or "persistence" if you will) changed drastically at exactly the same time that the behavior also changed drastically. I like your solution and would like you to keep us updated if you see other symptoms with Persistence shut off.


I know this post has been up for a while, but I just wanted to thank Archibael. The 800X600 switch everytime I changed inputs was driving me up the wall. It hasn't happened since I deleted the persistence feature.

Unfortunately, I still have to do a clean re-install because vista mce won't pick up my new hauppage 1800 card (or my old ati one).
post #1235 of 2431
Well I finally got everything running smoothly. My final set up is:

PowerDVD 7.3.3516
Intel Express Drivers 15.71
Hardware Acceleration turned off in PowerDVD

So now that is all out of the way... how do I go about getting 24Hz video ouput?
post #1236 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

Well I finally got everything running smoothly. My final set up is:

PowerDVD 7.3.3516
Intel Express Drivers 15.71
Hardware Acceleration turned off in PowerDVD

So now that is all out of the way... how do I go about getting 24Hz video ouput?

Blink really fast?
post #1237 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

Well I finally got everything running smoothly. My final set up is:

PowerDVD 7.3.3516
Intel Express Drivers 15.71
Hardware Acceleration turned off in PowerDVD

So now that is all out of the way... how do I go about getting 24Hz video ouput?

Until you need to play a BD title that needs 3730 and it all goes to hell.
post #1238 of 2431
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Blink really fast?

Tried that already... it hurt my eyes. I've read about it being discussed here about setting the refresh rate to 24Hz but the only options I have are 60hz and 30Hz (interlaced).

On a side note, i've created a couple wallpapers for my now complete HD-HTPC and I wanted to share them with you all.

http://www.jeuxstudios.com/HDDVD-BluRay-BlackDivide.png
http://www.jeuxstudios.com/HDDVD-Blu...BlueDivide.png

Enjoy!
post #1239 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Aesculus View Post

Until you need to play a BD title that needs 3730 and it all goes to hell.

Well I have only 8 Blu-Rays at the moment and about 80 HD DVDs... so you can imagine my need to make sure Blu-Ray's work is rather small. Not to mention one of the eight Blu-Rays I have doesn't work in any version of PDVD (Across the Universe) yet, nor any other player for that matter save the PS3. Needless to say the impression i've gotten from Blu-Ray thus far isn't that great. Not exactly a ringing endorsement to go out and buy more of them, especially when you take into account they typically cost twice as much.
post #1240 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

Well I finally got everything running smoothly. My final set up is:

PowerDVD 7.3.3516
Intel Express Drivers 15.71
Hardware Acceleration turned off in PowerDVD

So now that is all out of the way... how do I go about getting 24Hz video ouput?

You can either try using Powerstrip to adjust the frequency or use DTDCalc. I believe Dave (DPlettner) has had some success with Powerstrip but many claim that 24Hz just isn't smooth enough and revert to 60 (or 50 here in PAL land). At least now you're not using the 15.8 drivers you can experiment

Wo0zy
post #1241 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

You can either try using Powerstrip to adjust the frequency or use DTDCalc. I believe Dave (DPlettner) has had some success with Powerstrip but many claim that 24Hz just isn't smooth enough and revert to 60 (or 50 here in PAL land). At least now you're not using the 15.8 drivers you can experiment

Wo0zy

I use Powerstrip to tweak the timing of 1920x1080 from 60.121 Hz (the Intel driver default) to 59.844 Hz. Ideally, I would like 59.94 Hz, but PS will not let me get any closer.

Even though my HP DLP is a native 59.94 Hz display, it will accept a 24 Hz 1080p input. I just tried setting the refresh rate to 24Hz using the PS predefined timing for 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz, and it worked fine with the Vista 15.8 drivers. Here are the PS timing details:

PowerStrip timing parameters:
1920x1080=1920,640,48,144,1080,4,5,36,74240,512

Generic timing details for 1920x1080:
HFP=640 HSW=48 HBP=144 kHz=27 VFP=4 VSW=5 VBP=36 Hz=24

VESA detailed timing:
PClk=74.24 H.Active=1920 H.Blank=832 H.Offset=624 HSW=48 V.Active=1080 V.Blank=45 V.Offset=4 VSW=5

Linux modeline parameters:
"1920x1080" 74.240 1920 2560 2608 2752 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Powerstrip is free to try, so anyone that wants 24 Hz with the 15.8 drivers should give it a test.

-Dave

Edit: By the way, I highly recommend that you install UltraVNC on the G35 and another PC on your network. It makes it a lot easier to tweak timings. If you select a timing that causes your TV to lose sync, you can fiddle around with Powerstrip from the other PC using UltraVNC until you regain sync. UltraVNC is free.
post #1242 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

I use Powerstrip to tweak the timing of 1920x1080 from 60.121 Hz (the Intel driver default) to 59.844 Hz. Ideally, I would like 59.94 Hz, but PS will not let me get any closer.

Even though my HP DLP is a native 59.94 Hz display, it will accept a 24 Hz 1080p input. I just tried setting the refresh rate to 24Hz using the PS predefined timing for 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz, and it worked fine with the Vista 15.8 drivers. Here are the PS timing details:

PowerStrip timing parameters:
1920x1080=1920,640,48,144,1080,4,5,36,74240,512

Generic timing details for 1920x1080:
HFP=640 HSW=48 HBP=144 kHz=27 VFP=4 VSW=5 VBP=36 Hz=24

VESA detailed timing:
PClk=74.24 H.Active=1920 H.Blank=832 H.Offset=624 HSW=48 V.Active=1080 V.Blank=45 V.Offset=4 VSW=5

Linux modeline parameters:
"1920x1080" 74.240 1920 2560 2608 2752 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Powerstrip is free to try, so anyone that wants 24 Hz with the 15.8 drivers should give it a test.

-Dave

Edit: By the way, I highly recommend that you install UltraVNC on the G35 and another PC on your network. It makes it a lot easier to tweak timings. If you select a timing that causes your TV to lose sync, you can fiddle around with Powerstrip from the other PC using UltraVNC until you regain sync. UltraVNC is free.

Nice post Dave.

It's interesting that PS allows 24Hz with 15.8. Guess it's because it's "outside" the driver so to speak and DTDCalc only adds, erm, DTD's to the registry for the drivers to access .

Did you experience any stutter at all with the timing as previously reported?

Cheers,

Wo0zy
post #1243 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Nice post Dave.

It's interesting that PS allows 24Hz with 15.8. Guess it's because it's "outside" the driver so to speak and DTDCalc only adds, erm, DTD's to the registry for the drivers to access .

Did you experience any stutter at all with the timing as previously reported?

Cheers,

Wo0zy

I did not test playback.

HP did not properly implement the 24 Hz to 60 Hz conversion in my TV. There is a smooth tearing or smearing during horizontal pans. However, I would not call it stuttering. It's not really a big deal. Since the TV is native 60 Hz anyway, there is no difference in quality when I let the source device convert to 60 Hhz.

When I have a chance, I will test 24 Hz playback and see if there are any problems, other than the issues produced by my TV.

-Dave
post #1244 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

I did not test playback.

HP did not properly implement the 24 Hz to 60 Hz conversion in my TV. There is a smooth tearing or smearing during horizontal pans. However, I would not call it stuttering. It's not really a big deal. Since the TV is native 60 Hz anyway, there is no difference in quality when I let the source device convert to 60 Hhz.

When I have a chance, I will test 24 Hz playback and see if there are any problems, other than the issues produced by my TV.

-Dave

Gotcha. Thanks Dave.

Unfortunately my TV doesn't handle 24Hz at all so my testing is limited to a few minutes at the beginning or end of any on-site demo I do for resellers (assuming they have decent demo facilities ).

Cheers,

Wo0zy
post #1245 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Myshkin View Post

I know this post has been up for a while, but I just wanted to thank Archibael. The 800X600 switch everytime I changed inputs was driving me up the wall. It hasn't happened since I deleted the persistence feature.

Cannot take credit for this one. I just pointed out my suspicions; DPlettner is the guy who actually did something about it.
post #1246 of 2431
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Cannot take credit for this one. I just pointed out my suspicions; DPlettner is the guy who actually did something about it.

It has worked for me too, and was making me really sad after purchasing the HTPC - so thanks to whoever contributed for this fix *thumbsup*
post #1247 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Gotcha. Thanks Dave.

Unfortunately my TV doesn't handle 24Hz at all so my testing is limited to a few minutes at the beginning or end of any on-site demo I do for resellers (assuming they have decent demo facilities ).

Cheers,

Wo0zy

I just tested 24Hz again, and I see stuttering with the 15.8 drivers. I tested with PDVD 3310a and Nero Showtime. I tried 23.980 Hz and 24.031 Hz using Powerstrip.

Perhaps Intel removed 24 Hz from the 15.8 drivers because they know it does not work properly, and they will add back 24 Hz when they fix the bug.

-Dave
post #1248 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Ivasar View Post

It has worked for me too, and was making me really sad after purchasing the HTPC - so thanks to whoever contributed for this fix *thumbsup*

Glad to hear that it is working well for everyone.

BTW, I have ordered a Gefen DVI Detective Plus. It's back ordered, but should ship by the end of this week. My Onkyo 905 has "good" EDID info. However, when I switch inputs the disruption in EDID data causes the Intel drivers to reconfigure the audio, which can cause playback software to crash. I am hoping that the DVI Detective Plus will resolve this problem. Who knows, maybe it will have an effect on the HDCP repeater bug.

-Dave
post #1249 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

I just tested 24Hz again, and I see stuttering with the 15.8 drivers. I tested with PDVD 3310a and Nero Showtime. I tried 23.980 Hz and 24.031 Hz using Powerstrip.

Perhaps Intel removed 24 Hz from the 15.8 drivers because they know it does not work properly, and they will add back 24 Hz when they fix the bug.

-Dave

Damn! I thought you were on for the "Two Major Fixes in Quick Succession" award for a second there

Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to test. I guess it's confirmed what we thought but still a shame. Fingers crossed for 15.9.

Cheers,

Wo0zy
post #1250 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

I just tested 24Hz again, and I see stuttering with the 15.8 drivers. I tested with PDVD 3310a and Nero Showtime. I tried 23.980 Hz and 24.031 Hz using Powerstrip.

Perhaps Intel removed 24 Hz from the 15.8 drivers because they know it does not work properly, and they will add back 24 Hz when they fix the bug.

-Dave

Have you tried with PDVD 8? I'm fairly certain this was a problem with more than just PDVD, but figured I'd ask anyway.
post #1251 of 2431
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Have you tried with PDVD 8? I'm fairly certain this was a problem with more than just PDVD, but figured I'd ask anyway.

No, I don't have PDVD 8 yet. I have a bunch of HD DVDs, and I am working my way through the HD DVD-exclusive titles that Netflix has before they drop all their HD DVD titles. Therefore, I am not very exited about PDVD 8.

-Dave
post #1252 of 2431
Fair enough.
post #1253 of 2431
So just switched from PDVD 7.3 to WinDVD 9 and I have to say I like it much better so far. Cleaner UI, better PQ and AQ than PDVD and probably the most impressive thing so far is that it plays the unplayable... Across the Universe blu-ray! As soon as I saw this movie working with zero problems I immediately uninstalled PDVD. If you need a player that will play BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray I would encourage you to give WinDVD a chance.
post #1254 of 2431
Thanks for the report. I suspect that there are many that are eager to dump PDVD.

It's certainly nice to have additional options. When it works, Nero is my favorite. Arcsoft TMT has a black screen when I try to play a title from the menu, but it works fine when I play a .m2ts or .evo file. Of course, PDVD works for most titles, but has a bunch of other issues (although it sounds like PDVD 8 is better, but only supports Blu-ray).

Please let us know if you have any problems with any titles. If it looks good, I might get WinDVD 9.

Also, is there any word yet about whether WinDVD 9 downsamples audio?

One final question. I know you are interested in 24 Hz. Did you try Powerstrip yet? I'm sure Archibael and others would like to know if you see stuttering at 24 Hz with WinDVD 9.

-Dave
post #1255 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

Hi Archibael,

In the registry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVer sion\\Run, the Intel drivers install the following key:

Persistence=C:\\Windows\\system32\\igfxpers.exe

As i previously reported, I have had trouble switching resolutions. However, I am able to switch resolutions if I kill this process. I have removed this key from the registry, and the drivers seem a lot better when switching inputs. Perhaps killing this process will also help the people with the 800x600 problem. BTW, I am using 15.7.3.

Can you tell me what igfxpers.exe does?

Thanks,
Dave

I just wanted to chime in that this fixed my resolution switching problem as well. Before modifying the registry, just kill the process. At least on my TV/system, I was able to replicate the problem simply from changing back and forth from HDMI1 to HDMI2 on my TV.

I still seem to only be getting 2 channel audio out of my HDMI connector. I get 5.1 out of the SPDIF. I'm hoping that if I keep surfing this thread, I will find an answer. 30 pages down... 10 to go. *weep*
post #1256 of 2431
So far i've tried about a dozen various HD DVDs and Blu-Rays and they all work.

As confirmed by someone on the Corel forums audio is downsampled to whatever the standard determined by AACS is when no secure audio path is present. However i've been using AnyDVD so that may not matter. So I believe it is 16/48 which should be no worse than PDVD 8 at this point. However I can say AQ is noticeably better in WinDVD 9 than PDVD 7.3. The sound is vibrant and fuller.

In terms of PQ I have not tested any standard DVDs yet so I can only speak from the HD experience. As a reference I compared movies by individual shots and scenes using my Toshiba HD-A3, PDVD 7.3 and WinDVD 9 and was unable to see any visual difference between the three. They are all equally clear and vibrant. AQ on the other hand was noticeably better in WinDVD than it was in PDVD which is also, interestingly enough, better sounding than my HD-A3.

One thing i've really come to like about WinDVD is how easy it is to overhaul the UI. I've already replaced the Corel logo splash image that loads up at program start with my own custom image. I've also replaced the stock background wallpaper with my own concoction. The installation directory clearly separates the UI material into its own folder so it was easy to back and copy then replace images as I see fit. You can replace everything down to the individual button icons.

As for 24Hz, I pulled up the Intel Graphics control panel and it would appear the tv doesn't in fact report being able to do 24Hz. I also couldn't find where the EDID gets printed out to (I didn't see it in Information) so I haven't been able to use DTDCalc to analyze anything. I will have to double-check the spec sheet on my tv to make sure 24Hz is actually acceptable (although I'm pretty sure it is). So at the moment I haven't tried but I will probably go ahead anyway.
post #1257 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

However I can say AQ is noticeably better in WinDVD 9 than PDVD 7.3. The sound is vibrant and fuller.

I have always suspected that PDVD is doing something worse than just downsampling. Nearly all the 6 or 8 channel LPCM, DTS-MA, or TrueHD soundtracks are 16/48, so downsampling to 16/48 should not degrade the audio at all. However, I have always felt that Nero Showtime sounds better than PDVD when playing back titles with 16/48 audio.

-Dave
post #1258 of 2431
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Originally Posted by invader zog View Post

I still seem to only be getting 2 channel audio out of my HDMI connector. I get 5.1 out of the SPDIF. I'm hoping that if I keep surfing this thread, I will find an answer. 30 pages down... 10 to go. *weep*

Is the G35 HDMI output connected directly to your TV? The EDID info from your TV or AVR specifies the sound capabilities of the output device, and the Intel drivers only let you select what the output device can accept. In the case of Denon AVRs, there is a bug in the EDID info, so Denons incorrectly report that they can only accept 2-channel LPCM.

The Gefen DVI Detective Plus should fix your problem, but it is $129. I have ordered one, and I will post how it works when I get it.

-Dave
post #1259 of 2431
I realized that you have to go and save the information in Intel GMA panel in order to get the raw EDID.

Here is mine, as connected to my Onkyo...
Code:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 3d cb 81 07 00 00 00 00
00 11 01 03 80 10 09 78 0a ae a5 a6 54 4c 99 26
14 50 54 20 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3a 80 18 71 38 2d 40 58 2c
45 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 1e 01 1d 00 72 51 d0 1e 20
6e 28 55 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 fc 00 54
58 2d 53 52 38 30 35 0a 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fd
00 3b 3d 1e 44 11 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 f5
02 03 3e 71 48 90 04 05 03 20 22 0f 24 38 09 7f
07 0f 7f 07 17 07 50 3f 06 c0 4d 02 00 57 06 00
5f 7e 01 67 7e 00 83 4f 00 00 6c 03 0c 00 21 00
b8 2d c0 00 00 00 00 e3 05 03 01 e2 00 0f 01 1d
80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c 25 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 9e
8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 a0 5a 00 00
00 18 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d8
After popping this into DTDCalc I find 1080p/24Hz is in fact listed as a mode but it is non-native. So as soon as I can I will give this a go. Thankfully it would appear my receiver is properly sending 8ch LPCM audio as a viable format also.
post #1260 of 2431
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Originally Posted by caskater View Post

I realized that you have to go and save the information in Intel GMA panel in order to get the raw EDID.

Here is mine, as connected to my Onkyo...
Code:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 3d cb 81 07 00 00 00 00
00 11 01 03 80 10 09 78 0a ae a5 a6 54 4c 99 26
14 50 54 20 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3a 80 18 71 38 2d 40 58 2c
45 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 1e 01 1d 00 72 51 d0 1e 20
6e 28 55 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 fc 00 54
58 2d 53 52 38 30 35 0a 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fd
00 3b 3d 1e 44 11 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 f5
02 03 3e 71 48 90 04 05 03 20 22 0f 24 38 09 7f
07 0f 7f 07 17 07 50 3f 06 c0 4d 02 00 57 06 00
5f 7e 01 67 7e 00 83 4f 00 00 6c 03 0c 00 21 00
b8 2d c0 00 00 00 00 e3 05 03 01 e2 00 0f 01 1d
80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c 25 00 a0 5a 00 00 00 9e
8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 a0 5a 00 00
00 18 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d8
After popping this into DTDCalc I find 1080p/24Hz is in fact listed as a mode but it is non-native. So as soon as I can I will give this a go. Thankfully it would appear my receiver is properly sending 8ch LPCM audio as a viable format also.


As you're using the 15.7 drivers I'm surprised that you can't select 24Hz directly from the control panel as your EDID includes an SVD for 1080p24.

Anyway, it's worth trying DTDCalc to force the issue, if that doesn't work try Dave's powerstrip timings.

Edit: I also meant to say thank you for the WinDVD9 feedback. I've been wondering about trying this product but wanted to hear something positive before committing. Much appreciated.

Cheers,

Wo0zy
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