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post #211 of 2431
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

That Denon has a nonstandard EDID and is essentially overwriting the 5-channel information that it reports to the video card with 2-channel. Supposedly there was a firmware upgrade which would fix this (by fixing the EDID), and in parallel Intel was looking at a way to override/ignore the discrepancy, but I haven't seen anything on this recently or in release notes.

Firmware upgrade for the receiver or for the motherboard? It would be terrible if these two pieces of equipment weren't compatible
post #212 of 2431
archibael..is denon 4308 ok? I want to make sure of compatibility before I get this.
post #213 of 2431
Intel HD Audio Questions.
I can't for the life of me install this driver.
Driver shows as 2035 under device manager but is not listed under Sound Devices in vista ultimate x64 sp1.
I can only manage to install Microsoft HDMI Audio and this is listed but then again this is not the Intel driver.
I am on vga is this problem? Do you have to be HDMI connected for the driver to show up?
I have disabled HD Audio from the Bios. Now the Realtec driver is gone but the Intel HDMI driver is gone from the Device manager as well. No installing of the latest Intel driver will bring it back. should I re-enable HD Audio in the bios?
I have no need for the Realtec Driver.
Help.
post #214 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Storme View Post

archibael..is denon 4308 ok? I want to make sure of compatibility before I get this.

I have the Denon 3808 and it is on the latest firmware. I have yet to overcome this issue. Things work fine when I connect directly to my display, but I of course loose HDMI audio when doing so.

The actual error message I got from the PowerDVD version included with my LG BD/HD combo player was something like "The display device is a HDCP repeater which is not allowed". After downloading the 3516 version of PowerDVD, the message changed to "The attached display is not HDCP compliant".

My understanding is that the folks with Onkyo receivers are having this issue as well, so it is not just the Denons (except perhaps for the 24p issue). I might drag my HTPC down to the main theater and hook it up to my Onkyo 885 pre/pro (same as the 905 with no built in amps), as I haven't tried that since going to 3516, but I'm very skeptical that it will overcome the HDCP message.

So I think we're all SOL until Cyperlink comes up with an update, and/or Intel releases an updated driver, or Arcsoft comes out with their player.
post #215 of 2431
720p, I did run under Vista ultimate 64-bit for a while trying to troubleshoot these issues. After installing the G35 64 bit drivers, I had no issues seeing the Intel device listed under device manager. Of course I was connected via HDMI the whole time, so that sounds like it might be mandatory?
post #216 of 2431
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Originally Posted by bsmack View Post

Firmware upgrade for the receiver or for the motherboard? It would be terrible if these two pieces of equipment weren't compatible

Receiver.

Intel's getting its information about the audio capabilities from your receiver's EDID, which reads in part:

23 0f 1f 07 23 09 7f 07 23 3d 1f c0 23 15 1f 51

"23" is code for "audio data block follows with three bytes of data". In most receivers' EDIDs you'd get all the audio capabilities in the same block, i.e.

2C 0f 1f 07 09 7f 07 3d 1f c0 15 1f 51

With some (not all) Denon's you get the "clip it into several blocks" technique ", which is apparently wrong and getting parsed wrong by the Intel drivers. In my opinion the driver should accept this as a quirk and force the issue like consoles (PS3, Xbox 360) do, but apparently that tends to go against the design philosophy in the driver department which is: how will the root cause of the problem ever get fixed if we always work around it? (I'm not defending it, I'm just giving you the facts. I'm not even positive the "chop it up" technique is wrong so much as it's inefficient.)

When I debugged this with bex0rs a couple of months back, the driver guys came back with "Denon has a firmware upgrade for this issue" but I had not heard whether or not that was confirmed by customers.
post #217 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Storme View Post

archibael..is denon 4308 ok? I want to make sure of compatibility before I get this.

Post your EDID and I can tell you in seconds.
post #218 of 2431
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

Intel HD Audio Questions.
I can't for the life of me install this driver.
Driver shows as 2035 under device manager but is not listed under Sound Devices in vista ultimate x64 sp1.
I can only manage to install Microsoft HDMI Audio and this is listed but then again this is not the Intel driver.
I am on vga is this problem? Do you have to be HDMI connected for the driver to show up?

Yep. HDMI audio won't show up as selectable unless it's connected.

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I have disabled HD Audio from the Bios. Now the Realtec driver is gone but the Intel HDMI driver is gone from the Device manager as well. No installing of the latest Intel driver will bring it back. should I re-enable HD Audio in the bios?

Yes. Though HDMI audio and Realtek's audio are on completely different drivers, they're both running off the southbridge's HD Audio bus. You turned off the whole thing.

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I have no need for the Realtec Driver.
Help.

True. Better to deinstall it through Device Manager.
post #219 of 2431
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Originally Posted by pclausen View Post

I have the Denon 3808 and it is on the latest firmware. I have yet to overcome this issue. Things work fine when I connect directly to my display, but I of course loose HDMI audio when doing so.

The actual error message I got from the PowerDVD version included with my LG BD/HD combo player was something like "The display device is a HDCP repeater which is not allowed". After downloading the 3516 version of PowerDVD, the message changed to "The attached display is not HDCP compliant".

Yes. It's evident there are repeater mode problems with the latest solution, and you shouldn't have to download and use AnyDVD HD just to get the dang thing working to spec.

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My understanding is that the folks with Onkyo receivers are having this issue as well, so it is not just the Denons (except perhaps for the 24p issue). I might drag my HTPC down to the main theater and hook it up to my Onkyo 885 pre/pro (same as the 905 with no built in amps), as I haven't tried that since going to 3516, but I'm very skeptical that it will overcome the HDCP message.

So I think we're all SOL until Cyperlink comes up with an update, and/or Intel releases an updated driver, or Arcsoft comes out with their player.

I'd email both Cyberlink and Intel, and perhaps even ASUS. One whiny guy from Intel complaining about it: low level issue, low priority. Multiple customers complaining about it: escalation.
post #220 of 2431
Merry Christmas to you all. Here's hoping for continuous improvement all next year.
post #221 of 2431
pclausen, after 3 days of constant formats/driver updates/reinstallations/service packs/etc. all I had to do is plug in the HDMI cable

Fired up PowerDVD put in 5.1 96/24 1.5Mbps DVD and I get 2.0 Channel PCM even though I had 6 channel setup in PowerDVD (there is no HDMI option?). Opened up Sound in Control Panel under VIsta setup the speakers, clicked on every checkbox I could find and now I had 6-channel PCM.

Frustrated with this I open up WMP & instantly the receiver lights up with 96/24 5.1 DTS showing 1536Kbps.

I have tried everything and I can only get 48KHz PCM via HDMI in PowerDVD. Where is the DD/DTS?

When this is fixed I will move to TrueHD/DTS-HD MA.

P.S. Your "glass" HTPC is simply stunning, never seen anything like it, attention to detail is mind blowing.
post #222 of 2431
archibael, wish I had asked the questions earlier, would have saved my alot of trouble
your replies are correct and to the point yet again
thanks and merry christmas to all
post #223 of 2431
I installed the AnyDVD trial and I'm finally able to play both BD and HD disc. Picture looks very good, but the only movies that are coming through with 5.1 are BD discs with lossless PCM tracks (like Cars). Now, I don't know if the audio is being downsampled from 24-bit to 16-bit since my Denon receiver doesn't give me that info, but it sounds good. I might try to compare against my PS3 if I get a chance.

The bad news is that it would seem that any disc encoded with anything other than lossless PCM, gets converted to 2 channels. This is the case with Transformers and Saharah, the 2 HD-DVD titles (both DD+) that I have tried so far. I might try a TrueHD title and a DTS-MA title, but I have a feeling that they will all end up as 2 channel. I suspect part of the problem is the OEM PowerDVD player that comes bundled with the LG BD/HD combo drive is crippled to 2 channels. Even when I change it to 6 speakers from within the player, it still only puts out 2 channels on anything but PCM soundtracks.

My CPU usage is between 10-20% on VC-1 material with no hardware acceleration. I have not observed a single stutter or missed frame so far.

Update:

I tried several other titles as listed below with comments next to each:

28 Weeks Later - AnyDVD gives me an unknown error
Bourne Ultimatum - Stuck on the "Loading Web Content" bar
Terminator 2 (French Import) - Plays fine video wise, but the DTS-MA is not decoded and the DTS core is being converted to 2 channel PCM.
X-Men Last stand - Video is fine, but the DTS core is being converted to 2 channel PCM.

X-Men, being an AVC encode, does push my CPU utilization up into the 30-35% range. All 4 cores appear to be used evenly, btw.

So from a video standpoint, things are great, but the audio still leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely swap out my mobo once one becomes available with a HDMI 1.3 transmitter so that I can just send bitstream directly to my receiver for decoding. This way I'll be sure that the player/Vista isn't messing with the audio in any way.
post #224 of 2431
is the said hdmi bitstream solution ever coming? I havent heard anything about that.
post #225 of 2431
pclausen, you need PowerDVD Ultra (not the 2Ch bundled/crippled version) for downconverted 5.1 1.5Mbps DTS/640Kbps DD and Arcsoft Total Media Extreme for unconverted TrueHD/DTS-HD MA via LPCM.
Will try it out in a couple of days & report back.
post #226 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Storme View Post

is the said hdmi bitstream solution ever coming? I havent heard anything about that.

Motherboards with 1.3 HDMI chips that can support bitstream are said to be coming 2nd half of 2008.
post #227 of 2431
720p, yes, I'm eagerly awaiting Arcsoft TM2, which is why I don't want to right out purchase the non-cripled version of PowerDVD Ultra now. I also hope I can eliminate the AnyDVD daemon as well when switching to TM2.
post #228 of 2431
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Originally Posted by pclausen View Post

I installed the AnyDVD trial and I'm finally able to play both BD and HD disc. Picture looks very good, but the only movies that are coming through with 5.1 are BD discs with lossless PCM tracks (like Cars). Now, I don't know if the audio is being downsampled from 24-bit to 16-bit since my Denon receiver doesn't give me that info, but it sounds good. I might try to compare against my PS3 if I get a chance.

I would assume it is downsampling; it is PowerDVD after all.

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The bad news is that it would seem that any disc encoded with anything other than lossless PCM, gets converted to 2 channels. This is the case with Transformers and Saharah, the 2 HD-DVD titles (both DD+) that I have tried so far. I might try a TrueHD title and a DTS-MA title, but I have a feeling that they will all end up as 2 channel. I suspect part of the problem is the OEM PowerDVD player that comes bundled with the LG BD/HD combo drive is crippled to 2 channels. Even when I change it to 6 speakers from within the player, it still only puts out 2 channels on anything but PCM soundtracks.

My CPU usage is between 10-20% on VC-1 material with no hardware acceleration. I have not observed a single stutter or missed frame so far.

Quad-core'll do that for you. I'll be picking one up when the Eaglelake boards come out next year.

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Update:

I tried several other titles as listed below with comments next to each:

28 Weeks Later - AnyDVD gives me an unknown error
Bourne Ultimatum - Stuck on the "Loading Web Content" bar
Terminator 2 (French Import) - Plays fine video wise, but the DTS-MA is not decoded and the DTS core is being converted to 2 channel PCM.
X-Men Last stand - Video is fine, but the DTS core is being converted to 2 channel PCM.

X-Men, being an AVC encode, does push my CPU utilization up into the 30-35% range. All 4 cores appear to be used evenly, btw.

So from a video standpoint, things are great, but the audio still leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely swap out my mobo once one becomes available with a HDMI 1.3 transmitter so that I can just send bitstream directly to my receiver for decoding. This way I'll be sure that the player/Vista isn't messing with the audio in any way.

Sorry to hear that. Glad to hear the audio can work for LPCM, anyway, once you got the AACS removed, but it's too bad there's no conversion for TrueHD and DTS MA.
post #229 of 2431
So thanks to a great boxing day sale at ncix, I've taken the plunge and purchased:

Asus P5E-VM / Q6600 / 2 Gigs of Ram / 500 gig Hitachi Desktar / LG Combo HD-DVD/BR drive

iirc, the P5E only supports audio over hdmi in Vista- is that correct? Is that a software thing that might get supported later? I really really dislike vista and have even nuked it from my laptop where it came pre-loaded. I suppose it would allow me to use vista media centre over media portal but I was just starting to really get the hang of configuring MP.

Should I be prepared for having any problems playing hi-def content over an hdmi connection to my Onkyo SR-605? I am kind of hoping it will be as easy as installing the OS, Power DVD and popping in a disk...
post #230 of 2431
P5E supports audio over HDMI in both Vista and XP. Unfortunately, the graphics only supports PowerDVD Ultra in Vista. No word yet on Arcsoft in XP, but I'm not hopeful.

Recently we've seen some HDCP errors when trying to play using a repeater (aka plugged in through a receiver which then feeds your TV). pclausen was able to get around that by using AnyDVD HD to remove the AACS, but long term it will have to be a driver fix to avoid shelling out the extra $$$ for AnyDVD HD.

Black Magic and Kiriakos are having issues with 24p (and even 60p) on some display/receiver combinations. Still trying to debug that one.
post #231 of 2431
Does anyone have link when will the GA-G35M-DS2R arrive?!?
post #232 of 2431
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

Sorry to hear that. Glad to hear the audio can work for LPCM, anyway, once you got the AACS removed, but it's too bad there's no conversion for TrueHD and DTS MA.

I found a copy of PowerDVD Ultra 3516 and I must say that the 5.1 16-bit 48KHz LPCM channels being sent to my 3808 are giving me excellent results now with DD+ and TrueHD, although TrueHD still sounds better I think, when delivered via my A2 player to the Denon vs. PowerDVD.

PowerDVD appear to restrict TrueHD to about 2Mbps according to the Information tab. Also, DTS-MA tracks are 1.5Mbps, so it would appear that the core alone is being converted to 16-bit 48KHz LCPM.

We need the complete "unzipped" TrueHD and DTS-MA delivered via LPCM, and my money is on Arcsoft to deliver on this first.
post #233 of 2431
For everyone attempting to use the Asus P5E-VM HDMI motherboard with a receiver, you've likely noticed the latest Intel video driver 15.7 (also known as version 7.14.10.1364) using on-board video doesn't support HDCP through a repeater (which is what a receiver does). This assumes both your receiver and display support HDMI/HDCP, which is required.

As a short-term fix, you can bypass the receiver and connect directly to your display device without an issue, but then you loose the ability to feed audio over HDMI to the receiver.

I encourage you to submit a problem report to Asus so that we can get this fixed. While we strongly suspect it's an issue in the Intel display driver, there is no way (that I found) to notify Intel of the problem. Only OEMs such as Asus can let Intel know of the problem.

You'll have to register your motherboard and then send in a trouble ticket. You can start at the Asus support site:

http://support.asus.com/default.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

There is nothing on their forums or FAQs about this issue, but being such a new board, that's not too surprising.

I suggest you include the driver version you're using and the receiver model so they have as much information as needed to get it fixed.
post #234 of 2431
Wait, so this motherboard can feed 5.1 audio over hdmi but not to a receiver? How many tv's have 5.1? I am about to RMA my motherboard as it seems to be DOA (picked it up yesterday, assembled last night, almost broke up with my gf halfway through).

Whats the point of audio over hdmi if it and the video won't go through a receiver?

Sigh, I will file the trouble ticket when I get my new mobo. Hopefully this one will POST..
post #235 of 2431
Thanks to the help on this thread I bought the Asus P5E-VM HDMI, q6600, and lg bluray/hd dvd... My problem is that every time I switch the input on my tv from hdmi to component or ota, my htpc resets the resolution back to the min and the screen shrinks. I have it connected to a Sony xbr4. Is there any way to lock the resolution?

Oh, and I have the same problem with hdcp and the receiver, but just went ahead and installed anydvd to resolve it.
post #236 of 2431
I'm having trouble running video at 1080p through a receiver... sort of. my display is a Westinghouse LTV-37W3, and the receiver is a Samsung AVR-720.

The system defaulted to 800x600 when i turned it on with everything plugged in. The Intel graphics control panel information window lists that only 480p and 1080p are supported. However, the GPU actually outputs 1280x720p for any resolutions <= 720p and outputs 1920x1080p for any resolutions <= 1080p. So, if I pick 1024x768 or 1280x960, I get 1:1 pixel mapping and all that stuff right in the middle of the screen, and I can mess around with the aspect ratio options to get the GPU to shrink the picture.

When I select 1280x1024, 1776x1000 (the default resolution when I plug in the display directly), or 1920x1080, I get no picture, and the Intel control panel reverts to the previous resolution after 15 seconds.

Sound works fine...mostly. LPCM 7.1 sometimes sounds distorted/crackly. I played a DRM-free copy of The Bourne Ultimatium, and the Dolby Digital Plus track sounded OK (LPCM 7.1). The MPL track only outputted over 2 channels, as I had expected from reading this thread.

The Dolby Digital and DTS tests in the control panel worked, but I heard quite a bit of static for about half a second before the receiver switched over.

When I connect the TV to the display, LPCM 2.0 works fine with HDMI.

Additionally:
When I plugged the HTPC to the receiver and the receiver to the monitor again, it picked 1280x960 again. And then I was able to get it up to 1776x1000 a few times.
I'm going to use analog audio; the new receiver I picked up has 7.1 ch discrete inputs which I don't have anything else to use with right now.
post #237 of 2431
It seems that the HDMI port on the Asus P5E-VM HDMI isn't very good. The cable is much easier to move compared to the HDMI connections on the receiver or the TV.
post #238 of 2431
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Originally Posted by rainmaker002 View Post

Wait, so this motherboard can feed 5.1 audio over hdmi but not to a receiver? How many tv's have 5.1? I am about to RMA my motherboard as it seems to be DOA (picked it up yesterday, assembled last night, almost broke up with my gf halfway through).

Whats the point of audio over hdmi if it and the video won't go through a receiver?

Sigh, I will file the trouble ticket when I get my new mobo. Hopefully this one will POST..

It's a major annoyance that I hope will be fixed quickly as more users complain to Asus and/or Intel. I doubt it will be fixed if they only get a few trouble reports - so please log your report to Asus.

Work arrounds include living with 2-ch audio through the TV (yuck), using AnyDVD (an $80 software addition that strips out HDCP), or if you have an alternate means to output audio such as discrete output or possibly using an optical or coax SPDIF audio out to the receiver.

I've been trying the coax approach but it hasn't worked for me yet. I need to muck around with it a bit more - it may be I just haven't found the option that needs to be set to make it work. More likely I'll have to spring for AnyDVD, as it might be a few months before a fix is available, with some risk that it may never be fixed.

My opinion is that HDMI/HDCP is so complicated many manufactures attempt to fix it with many firmware and driver updates over multiple model years. I think 2007 is the first year most of it has come together and you have a good chance with 2007 consumer gear playing well together.

The surprising part is Intel created HDCP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP), so that the fact their own drivers don't correctly support HDCP repeaters is quite frustrating. On the other hand, it may be they are sticking to the letter of the spec, while other manufacturers (i.e. receiver designs) have drifted from the specifications a bit making interaction problems the norm. Perhaps it's a good reason to just bypass with something like AnyDVD.

Let's hope there's a better solution soon.
post #239 of 2431
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Originally Posted by rainmaker002 View Post

Wait, so this motherboard can feed 5.1 audio over hdmi but not to a receiver? How many tv's have 5.1? I am about to RMA my motherboard as it seems to be DOA (picked it up yesterday, assembled last night, almost broke up with my gf halfway through).

Whats the point of audio over hdmi if it and the video won't go through a receiver?

Sigh, I will file the trouble ticket when I get my new mobo. Hopefully this one will POST..

i just got this board back from rma today and it was doa. great quality control over at asus
post #240 of 2431
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl View Post

i just got this board back from rma today and it was doa. great quality control over at asus

Have you trying to post with one stick of ram over vga? Disconnect everything except the CPU/memory/keyboard/vga. Take out power cord and cmos battery, move cmos jumper from pins 1-2 to 2-3, put back the jumper and battery after a couple of minutes & try again. Are all the fans (PSU/case/CPU) coming on went you switch on the PC?

I couldn't get mine to post either with 4 sticks of ram and default dram timings/voltage.
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