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post #121 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Of course, the "problem" can be eliminated entirely by ordering the V3 center channel, which is a 3-way with the stacked tweeter-mid configuration. Contrary to some reports, the V3 center is not the size of Nebraska. It's barely larger than Iowa.

But it performs marvelously. Especially with Dolby True HD flicks!!
post #122 of 9127
Thanks for the feedback, 95bcwh.

I appreciate the replies, Dennis. I am originally from Iowa and I remember it being taller than 9" (the opening height in my Salamander cabinet)! :-) Any chance you could compress the big monster down to 9"?

It is probably not a huge issue... it is just nice to be able to watch a movie at relatively low volumes and still understand the dialog. My Sonus Faber center (stacked tweeter and single mid) did a good job with this... the Grand Piano Homes just can't play convincing rock in 2-channel mode (w/o sub) and so that is why I am looking.
post #123 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Gentlemen,

This thread hasn't been updated since last YEAR!

So what's going on in the world of Salk Sound for 2008? Any new speakers in the works? If so, I'd be happy to review them in return for a free pair. LOL!

Seriously though, what's in store for 08?

Jim, I'm still saving up to purchase a pair of song tower's, or, if things go well this year, a pair of HT3's.
post #124 of 9127
I believe Jim has been so busy making speakers, 2007 was his best year so far, he hasn't even had chance to update his website. His "Veracity of the Month" gallery hasn't been updated since July 2007..
post #125 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 95bcwh View Post

I believe Jim has been so busy making speakers, 2007 was his best year so far, he hasn't even had chance to update his website. His "Veracity of the Month" gallery hasn't been updated since July 2007..

He's one busy guy; no doubt. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing what he has in store for 2008.

Jim, when you have time please spill the beans!
post #126 of 9127
I'd love an update on the Song surrounds, I'm contemplating purchasing a SongTower, SongCenter, SongSurround setup in the next few months.
post #127 of 9127
Sorry for the lack of posts. We've been working overtime since last fall just trying to keep up. For example, it is now about 10PM and I am just finishing up for the day (I just have to place a few parts orders and I'll be done).

The SongSurrounds are about a week away from being added to our web site. The design is finished and we are just now completing our first, small, manufacturing run. As soon as we can shoot some pictures, we will post them on our site.

As for future projects, I always hate to talk about anything that isn't finished. On paper, all projects are fantastic. But until you finish them, you never know if they will be good enough to offer as a product. About all I can say is that none of the ideas we are working on will replace any of our existing speakers. But all of them are exciting to us at this point.

On another note, those of you who spend a lot of time on this forum may be able to answer a question. I often post pictures on our circle at audiocircle.com. We did this all the time, even when it was a "user circle." But the general rule on AVS is that manufacturers are not allowed to poswt pics. The question is, would that "rule" apply to an "Official" discussion thread such as this?

If not, I would certainly be happy to post some here as well.

- Jim
post #128 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Other manufacturers and distributors have posted pictures in their "Owner's Threads," so I don't see why you couldn't!? Heck, I'll take responsibility if I'm wrong. So yes, please post pics!
post #129 of 9127
Thanks for all of your interest and support, Nuance. I'm working on one new speaker that may or may not hit pay dirt. I hope to fish or cut bait by the end of this long weekend. I know Jim is interested in cultivating new ground, and not just turning out another conventional 3-way or 2-way. In that regard, it would also be helpful to get some feedback from others. What kind of new designs would be particularly attractive to you guys (other than super cheap models, which just can't be produced profitably at low volume)?
post #130 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Thanks for all of your interest and support, Nuance. I'm working on one new speaker that may or may not hit pay dirt. I hope to fish or cut bait by the end of this long weekend. I know Jim is interested in cultivating new ground, and not just turning out another conventional 3-way or 2-way. In that regard, it would also be helpful to get some feedback from others. What kind of new designs would be particularly attractive to you guys (other than super cheap models, which just can't be produced profitably at low volume)?

I don't mean to be repetitive, but a speaker that covers the grounds described here would be 100% perfection for me. Heck, perhaps you already have something like this, but you'll have to let me know your opinion.

Here's an idea, a road that many manufacturers don't go down for various and perhaps obvious reasons:

This doesn't really apply to me, cause I want BIG sound, but why not engineer something that is a quality product that will compete with home theater in a box system's price ranges? I can't think of many manufacturer's that offer a complete 5.1 system for $1000 or under. And I think we all know that HTiB systems are just garbage. I still shutter when I watch someone buy one of them at BB or a comparable store. The words that pop into my head are "sucker," but that's what people want these days. They want a small, aesthetically pleasing system that will still give them decent sound.

I know someone who would certainly agree with me and has actually began to dabble in attempting this feat; kudos to him.

Anyway, just an idea. Personally, I'd prefer to have 7 HT3's or Vandersteen 5A's for my HT (even though space won't allow it), but I can go a little overboard sometimes.
post #131 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I know Jim is interested in cultivating new ground, and not just turning out another conventional 3-way or 2-way. In that regard, it would also be helpful to get some feedback from others. What kind of new designs would be particularly attractive to you guys (other than super cheap models, which just can't be produced profitably at low volume)?

When you actually sit down and think about it - it's really hard to think of something that hasn't been done before. But, a couple of things that would be nice to see/explore would be:

1) A Flagship home theater system (something to compete with Atlantic Technology/JBL Synthesis/Klipsch THX Ultra II systems). I'm thinking speakers with multiple tweeters and midrange drivers, dipole/bipole selectable surrounds that can actually keep up to the mains, and two subs in a 7.2 setup. Imagine if you took something like the M&K S-150, but substituted in a pair of Seas Excel Magnesium Woofers, and a G2si 3-tweeter array. High-efficiency, and maximum dynamics with multiple drivers to handle the strain without distorting....MMMMM, tasty! I notice that a lot of speaker companies have a moster set of L/C/R up front, and then MUCH less capable speaker for the side surrounds (Yes Paradigm Signature S8 / ADP - I'm talking about you...). I dream of having something on the sides and rears that can actually keep up to the mains for impact, instead of getting "lost in the mix". Price - maybe around $10k to $12k for a stock 7.2 setup, $15k with Tact or Deqx auto-calibration, and $18k as a fully-active design?

2) A flagship 2-channel setup. For this, I'm thinking along the lines of Usher Be-20 or Kharma Exquisite Midi for looks (with sleek, swept-back, rounded cabinets), but with the capabilities of doing 18hz to 40khz, like the Von Schweikert VR-9SE (minus the funny looking cabinet that Von Schweikert uses). Price - hopefully $20k, but with the performance to justify it. For example, I listened to an $40k Linn Komri setup and a $4k Magnepan 3.6, and while the Linn was great, it was NOWHERE NEAR $36k better.
post #132 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Quick question...

Did that professional review of the Song Tower's ever hit the magazine pages? I'd love to read it!
post #133 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Quick question...

Did that professional review of the Song Tower's ever hit the magazine pages? I'd love to read it!

I get an email or phone call every couple of weeks from the reviewer saying it will be finished "any day now." So I expect it will be relatively soon, although it is completely out of our control.

In the mean time, Dave H. (Boybees) has been compiling his impressions in an ongoing series of updates. Here is a link:

http://http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=49037.0

He is not a professional reviewer, but you would not know that reading his analysis. Interesting presentation.

- Jim
post #134 of 9127
Jim,

I am new to the AVS forums, and I have been a big fan of your speakers. I am looking to purchase the Song Towers with the center channel shortly. I was wondering what wood grain if any are availabe for the starting price. I really like the look of the new V3's on your web site, and would like to see those in the Song Towers.
Is there any other pictures of the Song Towers with different grains and color of wood?
Keep up the good work your products are awesome!

Thanks,

Mike
post #135 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jsalk View Post

I get an email or phone call every couple of weeks from the reviewer saying it will be finished "any day now." So I expect it will be relatively soon, although it is completely out of our control.

In the mean time, Dave H. (Boybees) has been compiling his impressions in an ongoing series of updates. Here is a link:

http://http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=49037.0

He is not a professional reviewer, but you would not know that reading his analysis. Interesting presentation.

- Jim

Thanks for the response, Jim. I've already read Boybees' review and I certainly agree that its very well written; so good he could be a professional reviewer. Heck, I rather enjoyed his review more than most "professional" reviewers. It's nice to know their is no brand bias or influenced opinions when I read someone like his review. Nonetheless, I'm eagerly awaiting the "professional" review. It's time you get the recognition you deserve.
post #136 of 9127
Mike -

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Originally Posted by MDEVAN View Post

Jim,

I am new to the AVS forums, and I have been a big fan of your speakers. I am looking to purchase the Song Towers with the center channel shortly. I was wondering what wood grain if any are available for the starting price. I really like the look of the new V3's on your web site, and would like to see those in the Song Towers.
Is there any other pictures of the Song Towers with different grains and color of wood?
Keep up the good work your products are awesome!

Thanks,

Mike

Naturally, you can have SongTowers in any finish you want. If it is other than the "standard" finishes, however, it will cost a little more. For example, the bosse pomelle or rosewood shown on our V3's is available and we have the veneer in stock.

Here are a few pics of some various versions we have done. I'll start with standard veneers.

Here is curly cherry which seems to be the most popular...



Here is standard curly walnut...



Here is a SongSub in standard curly maple...



Now, here are some "custom" versions of the SongTowers...

Here is one in a special dyed maple...



Here's one in rosewood...



Here is a dark, dyed cherry...



And a pair in South American Tineo...



Of course, many of these photos do not do justice to the looks of the speakers in person. I am not that good a photographer.

But you get the idea. We offer nice curly maple, cherry and walnut as "standard" finishes. But if you want to invest a little more, you can have any finish you want. If you look over the pictures in our Veracity of the Month gallery on our web site, you will see almost any wood/veneer combination you can imagine. And SongTowers can be done in any of them.

I hope this helps...

- Jim
post #137 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Wow...dead sexy! Yes, I said it! Speaker can be sexy too, just in a different way than a woman can.

Keep up the good work, Jim (your cabinet's are so gorgeous)!
post #138 of 9127
Jim,

Thanks, they look great!

Mike
post #139 of 9127
The Salk Song Towers
More than I ever expected in a $1500 speaker!
I have owned many speakers over the years, as well as having auditioned over 100. A year and a half ago, I became so frustrated with the hobby that I sold everything. I just couldn’t take the ongoing upgrades and the incredible amount of money I had invested in the quest. This was truly significant considering how much I truly love music. I have been fascinated with its reproduction for as long as I can remember. I had reached the point of diminishing returns and always found myself wanting anyway. It was a good excuse to get out and enjoy my young family.
My wife and I found other activities to occupy our time with, especially our wonderful children. Unfortunately, maybe fortunately, we missed music. It had been such a special part of our lives that we realized we needed it back in our home. Our childhood memories always had a musical theme. My wife and her Shaun Cassidy record player listening to Elvis. My family listening to Joe Cocker, Neil Diamond, Earth, Wind, and Fire, and many others. I remember how much we enjoyed music on old eight tracks and cassette tapes. My parents got out of the records because of the kids. (I have them all now!)
I digress, along came Jim Salk. Arguably, the nicest man in Hi-Fi! I had to hear these speakers that I had read about. Could they really be that good for that price? As we all know, we never really hear about the great obscure speakers. Apparently, you have to take out a full-page ad in TAS or Stereophile to be recognized. Ah, the joys of big business.
I contacted Jim and quickly realized that this was the type of man that I wanted to purchase speakers from. He is kind, accommodating, knowledgeable, and really cares about satisfying his customers. (ALL OF THEM!! ) I am a Michigan resident, so I had the pleasure of auditioning the speakers in Jim’s lovely home. I told Jim that I would have to bring my kids. Of course he said, “No problem.” My kids are 3 and 1. Who else would have said that?
We listened to many different types of music. Jazz, folk, vocals, blues, classical, you name it. I was mesmerized by the mid-range, but just couldn’t believe the top to bottom coherence of these speakers. They are just amazing at this price point or any other for that matter. As you know, the mid-range is where it’s at. Unfortunately, and all too often, the rest is just not that good. We are always making sacrifices or concessions for the perfect mids. I owned Maggies for years. They are great in their own right, but you better have a very good amplifier with TONS of power. Not the case with Song Towers!
We had to leave that night, but I vowed to bring my wife back. She is always my voice of reason. I needed to make sure that I was hearing what I was hearing.
A week later my wife and I made the trip. She really isn’t an audiophile, but she knows what music is supposed to sound like. She is brutally honest and doesn’t have a problem telling it the way it is. She claims that I am sometimes lacking in that department. She is right. Well, the obvious happened first. She immediately fell in love with the looks of the speakers. LET’S GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW. SALK MAKES THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SPEAKERS OUT THERE. THE FINISH ALONE WARRANTS TEN TIMES THE PRICE TAG. YOU CANNOT BE DISAPPOINTED. THEY ARE BREATHTAKING. THE MAN IS AN ARTIST AND CRAFTSMAN.
How do they sound? As I previously stated, WONDERFUL MID-RANGE. That’s where it starts. Fortunately, that’s not where it ends. All of the audiophile terms that I generally have disdain for apply. Top to bottom coherence, three-dimensionality, delicacy, accuracy, detailed, boxless, and so on. All positive adjectives apply. We continued to be amazed. Everything he played sounded good. Regardless, of the genre of the music. $1500! Are you kidding me?
Now as you know, all speaker manufacturers have demo CDs. Jim does too. Be prepared, its fantastic. It truly demonstrates what these speakers are capable of. By the way, we were using a Squeezebox. That’s right. No ten thousand dollar CD player here. It makes you wonder????? I brought my own CDs too. Jim gladly obliged. Of course, they sounded great too. All validated by my wife, who sat entranced in the zone.
DYNAMIC!! BASS!! When I listen to the Tower of Power, I want to hear the music, but I want to feel it too. The STs make you want to move. The groove hits you. By the way, these have five-inch woofers. Yes, I’m not kidding. Five-inch woofers can’t produce this kind of bass. Wrong. Bloated –No Chance. Accurate. Musical. I still can’t believe it. Treble! Sweet, delicate, accurate, non-fatiguing. Love the Danish. You can listen to these all day and you just don’t want to stop. Be careful, they’ll play LOUD. REALLY LOUD!
I ordered them. I am sure that you figured that out by now. These were some of the longest weeks I can remember. BUT, is the best investment I have ever made in audio. I cannot describe how pleased we are with these speakers. To have something that sounds this good in your home makes the quest worthwhile. The looks are just a bonus. The old adage applies, beautiful inside and out. Ours are SA Tineo. You have to see to believe.
Does the quest have you down and out? Call Jim. You won’t be disappointed. You too, can enjoy the music again!

Brett
Salk Fan Club Member since 2007

http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/bs...153761792385.1
post #140 of 9127
are the custom finishes better quality in any way or just prettier?
post #141 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Brett11 View Post

A year and a half ago, I became so frustrated with the hobby that I sold everything. Brett
Salk Fan Club Member since 2007

What electronics did you buy for your new Songtowers? Did you go mid-fi or high end?
post #142 of 9127
I use a Naim 112 pre and 150 amp. 50 watts per side. Awesome. These guys will sing with 50. The nice thing is you don't need a $10,000 amp to get great music. This Naim equipment is probably six years old. As you know, its pretty good though.
post #143 of 9127
The finishes are based on customer requests. The sound of the speaker doesn't change. It is great regardless of the finish. Custom finishes are customer preferences only. Jim will help you find the finish that suits your needs and tastes.
post #144 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Brett -

Great review buddy! It sounds like you had the same experience I did while auditioning the Song Tower's (blind) at CraigSub's home. Of course, I'm the idiot that still hasn't ordered a pair yet, but I'm a little low on funds. Once the cash is there, I'll own my own pair of Song Tower's.

Enjoy your new purchase, Brett!
post #145 of 9127
sorry, I mean is the quality of wood better, or is it just the same wood stained differently
post #146 of 9127
Guys,

Are the "Song Towers" rear ported?? It looks like they are. What distance do you have them away from the back wall or the recommend minimum distance??

Thank you,
Charles
post #147 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Mozvz View Post

Are the "Song Towers" rear ported?? It looks like they are. What distance do you have them away from the back wall or the recommend minimum distance?

Dennis Murphy tested his prototype SongTowers after being frequently asked this question. He varied them from 8 inches to 2 feet away from the rear wall and found that no position generated that boomy sound that other speakers have when they are too close to the wall. He said he liked their sound a bit better when they were closer to the wall, but they were really fine anywhere.

I have done the same with my SongTowers, and found the same result. The base of the cabinet allows you to place the back of the speaker no closer than 2 or 3" inches away from the rear wall. I've tried it that close without hearing any problem.

SongTowers cabinets are technically a mass loaded transmission line design, which is very different from ported or vented cabinets. They may look similar to rear ported cabinets, but they are not at all sensitive to the distance from the wall behind them.
post #148 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post


SongTowers cabinets are technically a mass loaded transmission line design, which is very different from ported or vented cabinets. They may look similar to rear ported cabinets, but they are not at all sensitive to the distance from the wall behind them.

Are the rest of the Salk's speakers engineered this way?
post #149 of 9127
This is the only transmission line in the Salk lineup, although I'm sure Jim would (and has) put the port on the front for the vented models if that were an issue.
post #150 of 9127
Thread Starter 
The only reason I ask is because I love the transmission line design and the sound it helps create on the Song Tower's. It is a difficult design to implement in...say a speaker like the HT3?
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