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post #301 of 9127
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

Hey Salk Fanboy, there is a big shootout this Saturday; ST, V3s, and HT3s.

LOL!

Where is the shootout? It's not like I can come since I have 30ish people coming over for my daughter's 2nd birthday party, but it's nice to at least know where and when.
post #302 of 9127
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Someone should make a sticky on this post. If there was ever a top 10 list in the A/V Bible, this would be #1.

Agreed. It can never be reiterated enough.
post #303 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

LOL!

Where is the shootout? It's not like I can come since I have 30ish people coming over for my daughter's 2nd birthday party, but it's nice to at least know where and when.

Originally Posted by PAD
Folks, anybody in the Detroit area who wants to attend my GTG this Saturday, PM me. We will have HT3's and V3's with Monster center going strong. 1 til 8 PM. Jim will be here. He needs the day off.

I'm trying to convince my buddy who just bought a Klipsch setup from ABT to go with me.
post #304 of 9127
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Someone should make a sticky on this post. If there was ever a top 10 list in the A/V Bible, this would be #1.

Here's my thinking in buying a good quality pair of speakers. Are they extremely subjective? Yes, and I know that. Personally I'm sick of hearing people say it. It should be common sense, and sometimes comes off as an insult. As if I DIDN'T already know that. I'm unable to listen to a pair of ST's as they are a very new speaker, and there are none closer than Houston (I'm in Dallas). I do plan to take a listen to them at some point before I buy them (I've only made a deposit) and I'm sure that if for some reason the speaker doesn't sound good to me Jim will work with me to develop something that DOES sound good and to my liking. I like Jim Salk quite a bit based on my dealings with him. EVERY SINGLE thing I have read about Salk speakers has been positive. In fact I'm struggling to find any negatives written about their speakers. Am I a fanboy? Who knows. I haven't even heard the speaker yet. I can only go by what others have said.
post #305 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

There is no detail loss with the Salk's, but they aren't ear bleeding bright like some Kipsch speakers or the B&W 7 series. Everything is very natural sounding; very airy and detailed without being fatiguing. Its perfect to my ears, but YMMV.


These are just my opinions, but if it helps - cool.

In comparison to the Boston's - The midrange was much cleaner and more detailed on the Salk's, as well as the high frequencies. On the Boston's (VR3's or 2's), I felt as if someone had a blanket over the speakers and it was seriously effecting the midrange detail and high frequency extension. The midrange lacked clarity and depth, and the high's seemed to just stop at a certain frequency rather than extending beyond.

In comparison to the B&W's, all but the 802's make me cringe. Granted, I've never heard the 800's, though. To my ears, the 600's are just fat and bloated sounding with no midrange detail. The 700 series give me listener fatigue due to the shrill treble and midrange suckout. The 802's are actually a decent speaker, but when speakers costing far less (I mean a LOT less - more than half) sound as good or better, I just cannot justify supporting B&W. I do like their look, though. The 802's have a sweet midrange and image like a son of a gun, but something still urks me about the tweeter. I haven't quite figured it out yet, but sometimes it "rings" a little, for lack of a better word. It may have been the listening environment, but how knows.

The Song Tower's, while costing many times less than the 802's, have a very competitive midrange. And while it may not have the same imaging abilities of the 802's, it's very close. And yes, this is just the Song Tower's I am speaking of (not the HT3's, of which I've never heard); the midrange is that good. Of course, the 802's dig deeper in the bass department and have a more impactful midbass, but that's to be expected due to the amount of air they push.

Disclaimer: I am not a fanboy! A fanboy is someone who supports a brand even if their products are poor, for whatever reasons they feel necessary, whether they just like that company or have friends who work at that company. Whatever your definition is, a fanboy I am not. I am, however, a fan of quality products. I will always support, praise and recommend a product I feel is a worthy piece of equipment. And let me tell you, the Song Tower's are among the best speakers I've heard. I completely understand why their price is going up a bit. When I originally heard how much they cost per pair, my jaw dropped. If I had the money, I would have order a pair or two right then and there (wish I had had the money). I'd pay twice the price for them, because to me, they are a rarity in this business. And sure, all things are subjective, so please, go out and subject yourself to these speakers. They simply rock!

With that said, you may think I am bias, and that's cool. However, I've listened to dozens of speakers, and I keep notes on all of them. And the Song Tower's remain in the top 3 speakers I've ever heard. And no, I don;t even own a pair, so really...I'm not bias at all.

Man...I really can't imagine how the HT3's sound! I need to get my ears on a pair! Just talking about them gets me excited!

Anyway, I hope that helps, Chad. YMMV.

This is excellent information, and definitely helps quite a bit. I know the whole bit about "you should trust your own ears" blah blah. I know what I like, and it's great hearing informative posts such as yours as opposed to the general advice that anyone with a keyboard and an internet connection can give. You just confirmed what I already thought based on other reviews I've read. For $1,500 a pair I can't imagine finding many speakers that are much better than the ST's. I know the AV123 Rockets would be close, but I personally think they're much less attractive, and people who have compared the ST's and the Rockets side-by-side typically just barely prefer the ST's.

I just wanted to make sure the tweeter wasn't in Dynaudio territory, and that the midrange was comparable to high-end B&W which it sounds like that's exactly your impressions.

Thanks again

-Chad

P.S. - As an aside your comments about the B&W 600's and 700's are spot on with how I feel about those series as well. The 600's are very muddy to my ears, the tweeter is too bright, and on the 700's they cleaned up the mids but forgot to do something about the tweeters. I can't say I disliked the 703's though (the biggest in the series) as I felt the midbass of that large speaker balanced out the harshness of the tweeter. Even saying that though I don't feel I would be disappointed if that tweeter was attenuated -3db on the 703. The 802's always sounded great to me. The imaging and soundstage were some of the biggest I've ever heard in a speaker, and I felt the tweeter had just the right amount of detail and brightness. Too bright? No not really, but they also probably wouldn't hurt to have some tweaking. The bottom end bass of the 802's I also felt was slightly muddy and is one of the reasons I don't want to go full range on a pair of towers. I think it's just too hard to do correctly for any type of reasonable budget. From what others have said the HT3's are that speaker, but I can't afford $5k/pair for speakers at this point in my life.
post #306 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Here's my thinking in buying a good quality pair of speakers. Are they extremely subjective? Yes, and I know that. Personally I'm sick of hearing people say it. It should be common sense, and sometimes comes off as an insult. As if I DIDN'T already know that. I'm unable to listen to a pair of ST's as they are a very new speaker, and there are none closer than Houston (I'm in Dallas). I do plan to take a listen to them at some point before I buy them (I've only made a deposit) and I'm sure that if for some reason the speaker doesn't sound good to me Jim will work with me to develop something that DOES sound good and to my liking. I like Jim Salk quite a bit based on my dealings with him. EVERY SINGLE thing I have read about Salk speakers has been positive. In fact I'm struggling to find any negatives written about their speakers. Am I a fanboy? Who knows. I haven't even heard the speaker yet. I can only go by what others have said.

Granted, but think about the type of questions you were asking that could only really be answered properly by you making a personal demo before buying, as $1500 for a set speakers is not chump change for most of us. Also, the fact that you have not established a knowledge of listening experience on this thread for anyone to know if you were a "Newb" or not. Plenty of folks do order speakers based solely on other people's personal and/or professional reviews, and some are pleased while some are not so happy w/the outcome. Dallas/Fort Worth area is really huge, are you sure there is no one in your area that would allow a demo? As you've already placed a deposit on a pair of the Song Towers, I guess the whole matter becomes moot, and I look forward to reading your personal experience on the ST's when they arrive.
post #307 of 9127
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Granted, but think about the type of questions you were asking that could only really be answered properly by you making a personal demo before buying, as $1500 for a set speakers is not chump change for most of us. Also, the fact that you have not established a knowledge of listening experience on this thread for anyone to know if you were a "Newb" or not. Plenty of folks do order speakers based solely on other people's personal and/or professional reviews, and some are pleased while some are not so happy w/the outcome. Dallas/Fort Worth area is really huge, are you sure there is no one in your area that would allow a demo? As you've already placed a deposit on a pair of the Song Towers, I guess the whole matter becomes moot, and I look forward to reading your personal experience on the ST's when they arrive.

Jim and I communicated via email and he said no one in DFW has a pair of them. He said the closest pair was in Houston.
post #308 of 9127
thirdeye11

I have a pair of SongTowers and have posted my listening impressions elsewhere. If you haven't already read this, reading it might give you an idea about where SongTowers fit on the "veiled sounding" to "shrill sounding" scale. SongTowers seem to hit the happy middle.

I agree with you and Nuance that the Dynaudios I've heard are veiled sounding and the B&Ws 600 series I've heard are shrill or too bright.

In particular, I've done a side-by-side with my STs and a pair of B&W 602s that someone brought by my house. In my opinion, the STs had more detail but no fatigue-inducing shrillness. It wasn't really meant to be a direct contest, but the guy who owns the 602s was considering the SongTowers as a replacement. They were all around better sounding.

Dennis Murphy, who designed the SongTowers, made a comment very early on in this thread that might be useful to read or read again. He talks about midrange reproduction, but I think it addresses your question of the proper amount of detail versus too much detail in speakers.
post #309 of 9127
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post

thirdeye11

I agree with you and Nuance that the Dynaudios I've heard are veiled sounding and the B&Ws 600 series I've heard are shrill or too bright.

I'm glad to see others saying the same thing about Dynaudio. I posted my thoughts on the Focus 220s in Funk's thread. The towel on the speaker cliche fits my experience perfectly.
post #310 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Here's my thinking in buying a good quality pair of speakers. Are they extremely subjective? Yes, and I know that. Personally I'm sick of hearing people say it. It should be common sense, and sometimes comes off as an insult. As if I DIDN'T already know that. I'm unable to listen to a pair of ST's as they are a very new speaker, and there are none closer than Houston (I'm in Dallas). I do plan to take a listen to them at some point before I buy them (I've only made a deposit) and I'm sure that if for some reason the speaker doesn't sound good to me Jim will work with me to develop something that DOES sound good and to my liking. I like Jim Salk quite a bit based on my dealings with him. EVERY SINGLE thing I have read about Salk speakers has been positive. In fact I'm struggling to find any negatives written about their speakers. Am I a fanboy? Who knows. I haven't even heard the speaker yet. I can only go by what others have said.

It is not meant to be an insult in any way. But it hard to believe you can say you are sick of hearing people saying how important auditioning is, yet you placed a deposit on speakers without hearing them and say you can only go by what others have said. No offense, but your comments completely contridict themselves.
post #311 of 9127
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

Hey Salk Fanboy, there is a big shootout this Saturday; ST, V3s, and HT3s.

Not a shootout. I told Jim he didn't need to drag any equipment down with him and to relax a little. So I doubt he will bring along some ST's. As a reminder I have V3's in my HT and HT3's in my 2 channel room. I am lucky enough to have separate spaces finished off in my basement.
post #312 of 9127
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

It is not meant to be an insult in any way. But it hard to believe you can say you are sick of hearing people saying how important auditioning is, yet you placed a deposit on speakers without hearing them and say you can only go by what others have said. No offense, but your comments completely contridict themselves.


Regardless, there is no risk. If you don't like them then ship them back to Jim. You'd be the first, but he'll take them w/o question. And work with you if you want something different.

The thing about Jim is he does not "compete" with other speaker builders. He knows what he wants and between him and Dennis they get it right, otherwise he doesn't build it.

I've auditioned more speakers than I care to count in 30+ years of this hobby. Jim is pretty much my last stop for this train because he is always coming up with new designs (and some old) done to perfection. Hey, I'm laying out $Megak on a used Class A amp and pushing lots of high end equipment into the system to try and reach the limits of the HT3's. Maybe this weekend I'll hit it when that new amp shows. But so far, I've not been able to wring out everything lurking in the HT3's because they are that good top to bottom and my system has not been up to the task. But then I'm a nut when it comes to this. On the opposite end of the spectrum I believe the last purchaser of HT3's heard them driven by a receiver and was sold.
post #313 of 9127
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Originally Posted by PAD View Post

Regardless, there is no risk. If you don't like them then ship them back to Jim. You'd be the first, but he'll take them w/o question. And work with you if you want something different.

The thing about Jim is he does not "compete" with other speaker builders. He knows what he wants and between him and Dennis they get it right, otherwise he doesn't build it.

I've auditioned more speakers than I care to count in 30+ years of this hobby. Jim is pretty much my last stop for this train because he is always coming up with new designs (and some old) done to perfection. Hey, I'm laying out $Megak on a used Class A amp and pushing lots of high end equipment into the system to try and reach the limits of the HT3's. Maybe this weekend I'll hit it when that new amp shows. But so far, I've not been able to wring out everything lurking in the HT3's because they are that good top to bottom and my system has not been up to the task. But then I'm a nut when it comes to this. On the opposite end of the spectrum I believe the last purchaser of HT3's heard them driven by a receiver and was sold.


I know you are a nut

All kidding aside whenever you and I have privately emailed you have always been very helpful. As you know I currently own Dali Helicon 400's; I am most interested in hearing the HT3's. Although I do wish there a little more efficient. The two speakers I am most interested in listening to are the Salk HT3's and the new LS6 or LS9 from AV123. I have listened to almost every B&M product imaginable.
post #314 of 9127
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Originally Posted by PAD View Post

But then I'm a nut when it comes to this.

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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

I know you are a nut


I think you guys are both nuts, but you both have provided a ton of useful information for myself and I'm sure many others.
post #315 of 9127
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Originally Posted by PAD View Post

Regardless, there is no risk. If you don't like them then ship them back to Jim. You'd be the first, but he'll take them w/o question. And work with you if you want something different.

The thing about Jim is he does not "compete" with other speaker builders. He knows what he wants and between him and Dennis they get it right, otherwise he doesn't build it.

I've auditioned more speakers than I care to count in 30+ years of this hobby. Jim is pretty much my last stop for this train because he is always coming up with new designs (and some old) done to perfection. Hey, I'm laying out $Megak on a used Class A amp and pushing lots of high end equipment into the system to try and reach the limits of the HT3's. Maybe this weekend I'll hit it when that new amp shows. But so far, I've not been able to wring out everything lurking in the HT3's because they are that good top to bottom and my system has not been up to the task. But then I'm a nut when it comes to this. On the opposite end of the spectrum I believe the last purchaser of HT3's heard them driven by a receiver and was sold.

This was my exact theory in making this purchase decision. I know for a fact that Jim will help me find a speaker that fits what I'm looking for if the ST's don't do it for me. Like I said though my folks live in Indianapolis so the next time I'm up there I plan to take a road trip, pick up a friend in Michigan, and proceed to Jim's house to take a listen. With so many other positive comments on the ST's directly lined up against many of the speakers that I HAVE heard and would buy, I don't see any other rationale but to buy them. Not to mention I doubt that if the speakers weren't right for me that Jim wouldn't work with me to make a product that I would truly enjoy.

-Chad
post #316 of 9127
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

I currently own Dali Helicon 400's.

I've heard 300s and 800s side by side with my HT2s. And imo,the 800's are only better in the low-end and not by as much as you'd think. I'm hoping the ARC software will take care of that. BTW, my Salks have sealed cabinets.
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I am most interested in hearing the HT3's. Although I do wish there a little more efficient.

You need to lose the tubes man.
post #317 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I've heard 300s and 800s side by side with my HT2s. And imo,the 800's are only better in the low-end and not by as much as you'd think. I'm hoping the ARC software will take care of that. BTW, my Salks have sealed cabinets.


You need to lose the tubes man.

Thanks for the comparision, good stuff.


I run SS amps, but the HT3's are a very inefficient speaker. They are an 8 ohm design and somewhere in the mid to high 80 DB's for sensitivity. Obviously there are very valid reasons for this, but it makes it seem like a lot of power would be required to drive them to their full potenital. This is why PAD has continued to increase his power, to get the most out of the speaker.
post #318 of 9127
Are you thinking of replacing your dali's and if so, why? I have never had the chance to hear dali but have read some good reviews.
post #319 of 9127
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

Are you thinking of replacing your dali's and if so, why? I have never had the chance to hear dali but have read some good reviews.

No, I am not. But I am always on a quest to listen to things I have not heard and consider future changes. I change gear pretty often
post #320 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Jim and I communicated via email and he said no one in DFW has a pair of them. He said the closest pair was in Houston.

Well, I guess you are now elected to be "The Salk ST Demo Guy" in the Dallas/FW area. Congratulations!
post #321 of 9127
As a V3 owner, I feel that I can chime in. I haven't heard the Song Tower or the HT3 but the V3 is a neutral speaker that I have been enjoying for the past 8-10 months. I've got PSB Stratus Goldi speakers in the basement HT but the V3 is for 2 channel upstairs.

The V3 are great for 2 channel because they go deep enough to play just about anything well. I'm mainly a classical music/Indian Classical music listener and the V3 do justice to the music. I play tabla and the tabla solo CD's that I play on the V3 sound just like(obviously not indistinguishable) the real thing.
post #322 of 9127
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

This is why PAD has continued to increase his power, to get the most out of the speaker.

Didn't you just say he was nuts ?

Perhaps that is the reason.
post #323 of 9127
Thread Starter 
I bet our wives/significant others think we're all nuts for spending this much on this hobby!
post #324 of 9127
Glad I found this thread and am able to chime in.

I own the SongTowers and am thrilled with them.

To read in more detail about how thrilled I am, check this thread on Jim's forum:

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/i...?topic=49037.0

For a (somewhat) condensed version of these same SongTower impressions, read my review on Audio Asylum:

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl...65096&review=1
post #325 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I bet our wives/significant others think we're all nuts for spending this much on this hobby!


She's happy it keeps me at home. I think. Well, I'm going with that.
post #326 of 9127
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

Thanks for the comparision, good stuff.


I run SS amps, but the HT3's are a very inefficient speaker. They are an 8 ohm design and somewhere in the mid to high 80 DB's for sensitivity. Obviously there are very valid reasons for this, but it makes it seem like a lot of power would be required to drive them to their full potenital. This is why PAD has continued to increase his power, to get the most out of the speaker.


I ran a tube amp at 200 wpc for a year, but it just couldn't produce the low notes and of course, the top was rolled off. Jim was always polite and said the sound was very good, but one day he slipped and said the bass was tubby and the top end was not there. SO as I got to thinking I decided SS was best and now I'll never go back to tubes (NSN). The Belles 150A Refs I ran were at 500 watts in mono and got it done very nicely. But as a stereo amp at 125 wpc it sounded good but had no b*alls!! If you know what I mean.
post #327 of 9127
Thread Starter 
PAD, if I haven't already said so, your 2-channel setup is truly awesome! What was the inspiration behind the room look?
post #328 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

PAD, if I haven't already said so, your 2-channel setup is truly awesome! What was the inspiration behind the room look?


Other than the chairs and the paint, it does not look like that any more. Turned 90 degrees and completely retreated.

I had one page from a magazine with a wall that inspired me. Then I let my wife take over and chose the colors. I have no clue how to do that. Word of caution though, damn Ralph Lauren paint is $50 per gallon and requires 3 coats for the metallic colors of which I have blue and silver.

60 sheets of double thick drywall with green glue and hat channel. About 3k in sound treatments now.

It's a man cave under the kitchen, laundryroom and has the electrical panels, low voltage panel and sump pump worked around.

I'm so bored now with no projects that I move stereo equipment constantly as a release!
post #329 of 9127
yatchacks,
unbelievably gorgeous speakers. My question is on your center speaker. I have a similar set up and was wondering where you got the speaker stand and have you had any problems with it holding up that heavy speaker.
post #330 of 9127
rydenfan,
Just for the record, I love Dali speakers and nearly went with 3 400's, instead of calling Jim and inquiring about the feasibility of a MTM design.
Dali's convinced me that I needed a ribbon tweeter to be happy.
Although "most" of the sound comes from the mid range, ribbons seem to provide an endless ascending stairway, if you know what I mean.
BTW, if you decide to go with Salks and need to unload those 400's, shoot me a pm.
I'm serious.

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60 sheets of double thick drywall with green glue and hat channel.

That's the spirit!
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