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post #4231 of 8826
3/21/10 at 9:56pm
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Milt is right. With the economy the way it is most dealers will respond that way. These are tough time for all of us, including them.

Well, you're welcome to audition my ST RT's. Terry up in Manitowac also has a pair of HT2-TL's. Where in WI are you located?

Go Badgers, Packers, Brewers, etc.
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post #4232 of 8826
3/22/10 at 4:53am
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^^^^^^
Don't hold it against him. He's just a salesman trying to make a living.

Hey I am in sales and the one thing I never try to do with a client is bash my competiton. Instead of telling them the things they do wrong I focus on all the things my company does right.

In the end I wasn't trying to be harsh and I still have B&W on my short list.
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post #4233 of 8826
3/22/10 at 4:54am
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Milt is right. With the economy the way it is most dealers will respond that way. These are tough time for all of us, including them.

Well, you're welcome to audition my ST RT's. Terry up in Manitowac also has a pair of HT2-TL's. Where in WI are you located?

Go Badgers, Packers, Brewers, etc.

I am in Milwaukee and I think I might have spoke to soon about the Badgers. Cornell put a beating on us
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post #4234 of 8826
3/22/10 at 10:20am
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Hey I am in sales and the one thing I never try to do with a client is bash my competiton. Instead of telling them the things they do wrong I focus on all the things my company does right.

In the end I wasn't trying to be harsh and I still have B&W on my short list.

I hear ya. I'd definitely buy from you before someone who bashes their competitors. I just understand things are tough for these guys right now. Still, they need to act with dignity.

I am 20 min north of Milwaukee (Mequon). Small world.
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post #4235 of 8826
3/22/10 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by factorz View Post

Hey I am in sales and the one thing I never try to do with a client is bash my competiton. Instead of telling them the things they do wrong I focus on all the things my company does right.

In the end I wasn't trying to be harsh and I still have B&W on my short list.

That's exactly how I treated retail sales when I was in it for years. You're in the minority and better for it.

Cheers,
Chad
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post #4236 of 8826
3/22/10 at 2:09pm
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Hey guys,
I am starting to put together a short list for my 5.1 setup and both Aperion and Salk are on the list. Has anyone have any experience with the two speakers? From a Price point it looks like the Salk is a little more expensive, but still in my range. Thanks for your input.

FWIW, I went through similar list. Also considered a few others such as Monitor Audio (well-praised, but found the soundstage to be not very wide) and Axiom (known to be somewhat bright). Reviews on both Aperion and Salk have been excellent, as is the customer service - much better than the regular store brands IMO, so it would come down to the budget. I haven't heard either but I am sure both will be excellent for the price; and hence Salk should certainly be better given its more expensive. And the fact that they can be custom finished is the icing on the cake.

I decided to go with the regular dome SongTowers and SongCenter. Nuance and funkmonkey's detailed speaker selection process surely contributed to the decision (a BIG thanks guys!). Talked and exchanged a few emails with Jim as well on options as well as veneers etc - very good experience, to say the least! Plans got somewhat delayed as we are in the middle of deciding if we will move, but will certainly be getting the Salk once the dust settles.


Btw, how much rear space does the rear-ported SongCenter need? Would putting it in an entertainment center with some space behind still make it boomy? I don't mind the front-ported, it is just wider so will have to see how that fits my future stand etc.
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post #4237 of 8826
3/22/10 at 2:48pm
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I am in Milwaukee and I think I might have spoke to soon about the Badgers. Cornell put a beating on us

I also am in the area... you are certainly welcome to come give a listen to the Paradigm Sig's - just north of mequon in grafton...
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post #4238 of 8826
3/22/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by rishi76 View Post


I decided to go with the regular dome SongTowers and SongCenter. Nuance and funkmonkey's detailed speaker selection process surely contributed to the decision (a BIG thanks guys!). Talked and exchanged a few emails with Jim as well on options as well as veneers etc - very good experience, to say the least! Plans got somewhat delayed as we are in the middle of deciding if we will move, but will certainly be getting the Salk once the dust settles.


Btw, how much rear space does the rear-ported SongCenter need? Would putting it in an entertainment center with some space behind still make it boomy? I don't mind the front-ported, it is just wider so will have to see how that fits my future stand etc.

Cool. So what veneer will you (did you) go with? I hope the move goes well and you're up and listening to tunes in no time.

Concerning the SongCenter, if it was me I'd go front ported or put it outside the entertainment center. However, Jim will offer the best advice, as no one knows his products better than him. Definitely inquire of him what to do.

I don't suppose you could post a pic of the entertainment center, or at least measure how far it would be from the back wall/entertainment center backside?
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post #4239 of 8826
3/22/10 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by rishi76 View Post

FWIW, I went through similar list. Also considered a few others such as Monitor Audio (well-praised, but found the soundstage to be not very wide) and Axiom (known to be somewhat bright). Reviews on both Aperion and Salk have been excellent, as is the customer service - much better than the regular store brands IMO, so it would come down to the budget. I haven't heard either but I am sure both will be excellent for the price; and hence Salk should certainly be better given its more expensive. And the fact that they can be custom finished is the icing on the cake.

I decided to go with the regular dome SongTowers and SongCenter. Nuance and funkmonkey's detailed speaker selection process surely contributed to the decision (a BIG thanks guys!). Talked and exchanged a few emails with Jim as well on options as well as veneers etc - very good experience, to say the least! Plans got somewhat delayed as we are in the middle of deciding if we will move, but will certainly be getting the Salk once the dust settles.


Btw, how much rear space does the rear-ported SongCenter need? Would putting it in an entertainment center with some space behind still make it boomy? I don't mind the front-ported, it is just wider so will have to see how that fits my future stand etc.

no worries, glad to have helped.
I'm sure that Jim could make a sealed SongCenter for you, and it might be something you would want to consider if you are using a sub. Otherwise front ported would be the way to go unless the entertainment center was completely open in back of the center channel.
Best of luck picking a veneer, and letting the dust settle. =)
Cheers
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post #4240 of 8826
3/22/10 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by factorz View Post

Hey I am in sales and the one thing I never try to do with a client is bash my competiton. Instead of telling them the things they do wrong I focus on all the things my company does right.

Good man.

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In the end I wasn't trying to be harsh and I still have B&W on my short list.

I know.
To me the biggest red flag is a salesperson that trashes the competition, especially when they don't who the competition is.
Face it, we're geeks.
9 times out of 10 we know more about the products in a store than the people selling them.
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post #4241 of 8826
3/22/10 at 10:24pm
Thanks guys!

The veneer will most probably be a 'poor man's bubinga' - meaning, a burgundy dye over curly cherry somewhat like the attached pic. I am so lusting after the bubinga and pelin burl though

As for the entertainment center, it will be changing if we move, which is the reason that the purchase is delayed. Currently, my center is right against the wall, so front-ported would have worked best in current setup (and Jim confirmed the same). I most probably may still go that route - just need to make sure the new space will be able to take an entertainment center that has space for a 24" wide speaker. Sealed is an option too, but only if nothing else fits. Will contact Jim again once I know how everything is in the new place.

I can tell you though - it is not easy to not send the order email to Jim

And btw, forgot to mention I had decided to go with B&W before Salk caught my eye. Was looking at Audiogon for a used Nautilus 803 or 804 or CM7. One speaker I heard that I TOTALLY LOVED was the new B&W 804 Diamond (way out of my budget though, of course). It was my first experience of the speaker disappearing even though it sat right in front of me! Just curious, which Salk line would come close to that?
LL
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post #4242 of 8826
3/22/10 at 11:54pm
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Nice choice in veneer, rishi76.

I've had the fortune to audition all of the B&W 800 series line, plus the Salk HT2-TL's and Salk SongTower's (dome and RT). In my opinion the HT2-TL is much more speaker than the 804D's, but YMMV. Even the ribbon SongTower has better overall tonality, off-axis response and midrange detail, at least to my ears. I really like the 802D, but at that price there are other contenders. Hmm...at that price it would be a really tough decision for me (the new Salk SoundScape would certainly be a choice). Perhaps it is best I cannot currently afford to shop in the 802D's price range.
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post #4243 of 8826
3/23/10 at 6:31pm
That's good to know that you think ST w/ RT may match up to the 804D - impressive indeed, given the price difference! My understanding is that the dome may be a bit better for off-axis response (which matters to me, esp if stay in current house and setup)? Though of course the RT is better depending on music.
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post #4244 of 8826
3/23/10 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Concerning the SongCenter, if it was me I'd go front ported or put it outside the entertainment center. However, Jim will offer the best advice, as no one knows his products better than him. Definitely inquire of him what to do.

What's the off-axis like for the Song Center?

Since it is a traditional MTM design I assume (I'd love to be wrong ) it suffers lobing the same as every other center of that design?
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post #4245 of 8826
3/23/10 at 8:52pm
Maybe I missed a link on the website, but can someone explain the differences, pros/cons of the OW2 vs OW4 vs RT?

Thanks
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post #4246 of 8826
3/24/10 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

Maybe I missed a link on the website, but can someone explain the differences, pros/cons of the OW2 vs OW4 vs RT?

Thanks

There really isn't any difference between the 0W2 and 0W4 in this application. There might be if the design used a 1st order slope that required absolute minimum distortion at the low end. But with the steeper 4th order slopes, I don't think you would hear any difference between the 0W2 or 0W4.

The LCY ribbon will provide a little more treble extension and open sound at the very top (on triangles, wire brushes, etc). It's by no means an day and night thing, however.
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post #4247 of 8826
3/24/10 at 11:20am
Anyone interested in a good price on a Song Center, just noticed it up on Audiogon from a reputable forum member here I see....

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....enter-Speaker-

One of my first Used purchases was from RandyB - good guy...

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post #4248 of 8826
3/24/10 at 12:34pm
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I concur - RandyB is one of the nicest, honest guys I have met in this industry. The price of that SongCenter is a good one.
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post #4249 of 8826
3/24/10 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

What's the off-axis like for the Song Center?

Since it is a traditional MTM design I assume (I'd love to be wrong ) it suffers lobing the same as every other center of that design?

To be honest I always sit in the "sweet spot" center seat. I'll give it a listen off-axis and let you know. If I have time I'll even measure it in my three main listening positions, then average them as well.

This is probably a better question for the designer of the speaker, though (Jim and Dennis).
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post #4250 of 8826
3/24/10 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I concur - RandyB is one of the nicest, honest guys I have met in this industry. The price of that SongCenter is a good one.

Randy owes me $1.
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post #4251 of 8826
3/24/10 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Randy owes me $1.

Put it on my bill!
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post #4252 of 8826
3/24/10 at 4:05pm
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You guys lost me on that one. What was the bet?
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post #4253 of 8826
3/24/10 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

To be honest I always sit in the "sweet spot" center seat. I'll give it a listen off-axis and let you know. If I have time I'll even measure it in my three main listening positions, then average them as well.

This is probably a better question for the designer of the speaker, though (Jim and Dennis).

The Song Center is subject to the same off-axis issues as any other MTM. But if everyone is sitting together on the same couch, no one should be sufficiently off axis to raise a real issue. If you draw a diagram of a typical room and seating positions, and draw the angles, I think you'll see that this whole issue has been overblown. If you're far enough off axis to complain about the sound, you'll also probably be complaining about your viewing angle as well.
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post #4254 of 8826
3/24/10 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I concur - RandyB is one of the nicest, honest guys I have met in this industry. The price of that SongCenter is a good one.

With the standard centre being rear ported, what are the placement constraints?
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post #4255 of 8826
3/24/10 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

The Song Center is subject to the same off-axis issues as any other MTM. But if everyone is sitting together on the same couch, no one should be sufficiently off axis to raise a real issue. If you draw a diagram of a typical room and seating positions, and draw the angles, I think you'll see that this whole issue has been overblown. If you're far enough off axis to complain about the sound, you'll also probably be complaining about your viewing angle as well.

That's probably all true.

I'm just trying to be nice to my wife who frequently sits in front of the fireplace, WAAYYY off- axis. I'm probably being more concerned than she is.
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post #4256 of 8826
3/24/10 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Anyone interested in a good price on a Song Center, just noticed it up on Audiogon from a reputable forum member here I see....

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....enter-Speaker-

One of my first Used purchases was from RandyB - good guy...


Randy is such a good guy, if the A-gon listing expires, he's going to flip a coin and give it to either Brandon or me. Isn't that right, Randy?!

Randy? Uh...Randy?
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post #4257 of 8826
3/24/10 at 10:13pm
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^ LOL! Nice.

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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

With the standard centre being rear ported, what are the placement constraints?

Again, kind of a question that's better answered by the designers.

Seriously, though, I would think its the same as any rear ported speaker: try to keep it away from the back wall (at least a foot); the further, the better. Of course, you could always cross it over at 80Hz (or higher) and not worry much about the air moving out of the port.
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post #4258 of 8826
3/25/10 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

The LCY ribbon will provide a little more treble extension and open sound at the very top (on triangles, wire brushes, etc). It's by no means an day and night thing, however.

So, this would work ok as a center for my HT2-TLs with ribbon tweets?
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post #4259 of 8826
3/25/10 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Of course, you could always cross it over at 80Hz (or higher) and not worry much about the air moving out of the port.

Wow - is this correct?

So if I crossover speakers at 80Hz then the rear-ported distance issues diminishes or disappears?

That opens up a lot of interesting possibilities I had always written off - thanks!

Gotta love AVS - ask some questions and learn a bit more
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post #4260 of 8826
3/25/10 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by earthbound View Post

So, this would work ok as a center for my HT2-TLs with ribbon tweets?

Of coarse it will work.....

Now whether it will be voiced matched exactly or not is the question - from what I gathered the Salk speakers were very close in Timbre across the line.... Personally I don't think it will be an issue and will sound just fine... For that price, nothing wrong with giving it a shot, heck ya got nothing to lose IMO...
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