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post #7771 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

Given that, how is it possible that an external DAC could help? If the AVR mangles digital to analog conversion, I don't see how a DAC would be beneficial, given that the same AVR DAC will have to convert it again anyway...
Many AVRs do have an analog bypass, but you'll have to forego room correction if you use it. With those that don't, any benefit from an external DAC will most likely be lost in the ADC/DAC loop .
post #7772 of 9127
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Looks like Stereophile liked the Salk/Van Alstine room on Friday at RMAF 2012.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/sweet-streams-salk-and-van-alstine

"Texas-style blues (Could it have been Stevie Ray Vaughan?) sounded appropriately smooth, sweet, and articulate."

And this was on the worst of three days, as the room needed to be tamed, which didn't occur until Saturday morning. Nice!
post #7773 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Looks like Stereophile liked the Salk/Van Alstine room on Friday at RMAF 2012.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/sweet-streams-salk-and-van-alstine
"Texas-style blues (Could it have been Stevie Ray Vaughan?) sounded appropriately smooth, sweet, and articulate."
And this was on the worst of three days, as the room needed to be tamed, which didn't occur until Saturday morning. Nice!


Actually, the picture shows the speakers in the position they in on Saturday and Sunday, and his comments were posted today. So I think he heard them on Saturday or Sunday. Good thing that.
post #7774 of 9127
I agree that it doesn't make logical sense to DAC for analog input into a pre/pro that will ADC and then DAC again. But to my ears, it clearly improves sound to run through my Bel Canto DAC with analog to the pre/pro than to run digital directly into the pre/pro. I can't tell you why, but it isn't subtle. It is not a blind test, but it is immediate A/B listening. I can also tell the difference comparing use of the Bel Canto vs. a W4S DAC2 in this mode. Like I said, my ears judge, not my logic, in this case.

I did try an external pre. It was an ARC LS-17. Considered very high quality, though I may have preferred a C-J pre in sound. Soundstage and imaging were definitely better, but over sound was less smooth, harder to listen to. I would have to do more room treatment to do without audyssey. Plus, I feel like I am needing to tame the SS8s for brightness and the room correction I get with Audyssey helps in that effort.
post #7775 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Ah yes, 6SpeedTA95, I found your thread here and am looking at the pics. Since you're looking at 2400 max cubic feet (slightly less), I'd suspect the SC-ST's would suffice, even if being run full range. The room you heard them in at the hotel was probably bigger than your space, so if you thought they had enough punch and oomph down low you should be fine. With the HT2-TL's you'll get even more punch and depth, but slightly worse dispersion due to the larger woofs. For that sized room (especially considering width), I'd go with the SC-ST's; their narrower cabinets won't overpower that room either.
Just my $0.02
That's a good point at 10 ft wide for the theater area there's not a helluva a lot of room but I want top notch sound. Do you see any issues with my PB12-NSD holding up the bottom end if I went with the SCST's? I don't typically have it up loud at all for music which I would think means I'm not working it as hard and it will therefore stay a bit tighter and more accurate?
post #7776 of 9127
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

I agree that it doesn't make logical sense to DAC for analog input into a pre/pro that will ADC and then DAC again. But to my ears, it clearly improves sound to run through my Bel Canto DAC with analog to the pre/pro than to run digital directly into the pre/pro. I can't tell you why, but it isn't subtle. It is not a blind test, but it is immediate A/B listening. I can also tell the difference comparing use of the Bel Canto vs. a W4S DAC2 in this mode. Like I said, my ears judge, not my logic, in this case.

Electronics can't improve sound - they can only degrade it except for EQ.

Nothing's wrong with your experiences, but I would expect that the proper controls weren't in place. Different voltage drive levels and that sort of thing can make "seeming" differences in sound when none are actually there.
post #7777 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

Electronics can't improve sound - they can only degrade it except for EQ.
Nothing's wrong with your experiences, but I would expect that the proper controls weren't in place. Different voltage drive levels and that sort of thing can make "seeming" differences in sound when none are actually there.

I disagree. Your view sounds theoretical. Perhaps electronics can only make the sound (signal) less pure in some way, but how it sounds is more subjective and more unpredictable. Our auditory sensory and perceptual systems are not like oscilloscopes. It is like saying that additives can't improve the taste of water, only degrade it.

There may be some other change effected by the external DAC such as voltage level. So be it. It sounds better to me. It would be nice to know exactly what the factors are, but that is unlikely without some sophisticated mechanism of assessment.
post #7778 of 9127
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

Thanks DonH50 - some of what is set when Audyssey runs is set by the AVR and still in effect even when running in Direct mode (ie, analog), eg, xover point to sub, distances & levels. Do you know what else Audyssey sets that would be in digital domain and disabled when in Direct?

What is in effect during various flavors of "Direct" depends upon the AVR's implementation. I suggest you ask in the thread dedicated to yours (I keep getting asked to leave threads when I post off-topic info so am trying to stay in this one, at least a little). Room correction is always done in the digital domain, or at least I have not seen a modern pure-analog version. Adjusting time and phase is hard without a DSP.
post #7779 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

Electronics can't improve sound - they can only degrade it except for EQ.

Nothing's wrong with your experiences, but I would expect that the proper controls weren't in place. Different voltage drive levels and that sort of thing can make "seeming" differences in sound when none are actually there.

Depends upon what you mean by "improve" and "degrade". Room correction can certainly give you a flatter frequency response and better time-domain response, for instance.

Technically, EQ is also electronics, even if you use a passive EQ. And even passive EQ can add all sorts of "bad" artifacts.

There are all sorts of reasons an external DAC might help, or hurt, but I really think such a discussion is outside the scope of this thread.
post #7780 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

Hi guys,
So I have some SS8s on order (in a deep rose/quilted maple, something along these lines: http://salksound.com/gallery/soundscape/ss10-rosered-quiltedmaple.jpg, but a little darker).
I also have a HT2C coming.
Now I'm starting to think about amplification. Right now I just have my Denon 4311CI, which I don't think will be sufficient for these power-hungry speakers. I am planning to keep using it as the pre-amp, as I like Audyssey XT32.

I think we're going to need to compare notes- as my pending system is very similar (cabinets veneer completed for my mains) . I have SS8s with a SSC in production, with a 15" Salk Rythmik, and a pair of SongSurrounds, plus a pair of WOW1s added in (planned for zone 2 or rear surround). I've also got the 4311 that I'll be using for control.

I may patch in my trusty old Hafler 500 for some short term experimentation, but have planned on picking up a multichannel Wyred 4 Sound for long term use. The reviews and quiet cool running are plusses for me. Still continuing the research for now.

I'll plan to keep an eye on your progress!
Ben
post #7781 of 9127
I'm going to be running:
- 2 SS8s
- HT2C (my combo tv stand/AV shelving can't hold the weight of a SSC)
- 4 OMD-5s (side/rear)
- 2 Rythmik F15HP subs
- Denon 4311CI as the pre-amp
- HTPC as the media source (well, and a cable box, PS3, and Xbox 360)


As for the amp, after the discussions above, I'm thinking:
- leave the 4 OMD-5s on the receiver
- And either:
- 3 Emotiva XPA-1s
- a wyredforsound 3x500W
- a d-sonic 3x500W (or there is a used one I was pointed at that is 3x500, 2x250, which would likely work)

The Emotiva & W4S are about the same price (maybe 10% more for the emotiva). The emotiva would up the electricity bill more... I have no idea what sonic differences there would be between the emotiva & the w4s...

Anyway, I guess all this amp talk is getting a bit off topic, so I'll shut up now smile.gif.
post #7782 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

I'm going to be running:
- 2 SS8s
- HT2C (my combo tv stand/AV shelving can't hold the weight of a SSC)
- 4 OMD-5s (side/rear)
- 2 Rythmik F15HP subs
- Denon 4311CI as the pre-amp
- HTPC as the media source (well, and a cable box, PS3, and Xbox 360)
As for the amp, after the discussions above, I'm thinking:
- leave the 4 OMD-5s on the receiver
- And either:
- 3 Emotiva XPA-1s
- a wyredforsound 3x500W
- a d-sonic 3x500W (or there is a used one I was pointed at that is 3x500, 2x250, which would likely work)
The Emotiva & W4S are about the same price (maybe 10% more for the emotiva). The emotiva would up the electricity bill more... I have no idea what sonic differences there would be between the emotiva & the w4s...
Anyway, I guess all this amp talk is getting a bit off topic, so I'll shut up now smile.gif.

Not at all, and we're here to help. You're a future Salk owner so this is a great place to ask about which electronics to pair them with. Again, I'd go with the Wyred's between the ones you listed, but to each their own. The Parasound A21 is also something to consider, even though it's 2-channel instead of 3. You need to go with what suits you best. In fact, you shouldn't even listen to us beyond the brand recommendations, because what one man hears is likely different than what the next hears. Some say electronics don't change the sound and it's all in your head, and others swear they make a noticeable difference. It doesn't matter which side you're on as long as you're happy, and that is the only thing that is important.

Enjoy your search, and do let us know what you end up with and how things sound.

P.S. You and benguin are going to have killer systems. I hope to own something like that one day. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

That's a good point at 10 ft wide for the theater area there's not a helluva a lot of room but I want top notch sound. Do you see any issues with my PB12-NSD holding up the bottom end if I went with the SCST's? I don't typically have it up loud at all for music which I would think means I'm not working it as hard and it will therefore stay a bit tighter and more accurate?

Not at all. SVS makes great subwoofers, which is proven by customer's experiences and the third party measurements. What you may find one day, though, is that you want a slightly quicker bass sound, in which case a sealed design may be something you want to listen to. Parametric EQ will also help in this area. I'll say this, though: SVS is still the only manufacturer who's ported subwoofers I can still enjoy with music. I'm a sealed man, but I think that speaks volumes of SVS' products. But I am just one guy, so what do I know?
Edited by Nuance - 10/17/12 at 5:54am
post #7783 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Actually, the picture shows the speakers in the position they in on Saturday and Sunday, and his comments were posted today. So I think he heard them on Saturday or Sunday. Good thing that.

Really? I thought he purchased the new router Friday night (I see the old router in that picture). Who knows? smile.gif I was pretty busy doing other things, so don't listen to me. biggrin.gif The important thing is Stereophile liked the speakers, and also Jim's parent company line, Bud Fried audio. There's a blip on Stereophile's RMAF (on the website) about the Bud Fried Towers too. Nice!

Oh and folks, I hung out with Dennis Murphy, Mark Seaton and a handful of forum members most of the weekend, and they were an absolute pleasure to be around. Jim, Dennis and Mark are all geniuses, even though they'll never admit to it. I felt smart just being around them. biggrin.gif Seriously, though, these men are not only blessed with unbelievable skill/talent, but their character as human beings is astounding. They are so humble, nice and honest; they'd give you the shirt off their back if necessary. These are the kinds of folks that you want to buy from, and they set the standard for this industry. It was my pleasure to hang out with them and learn new things. Thanks for making my weekend amazing guys!
Edited by Nuance - 10/17/12 at 6:03am
post #7784 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Looks like Stereophile liked the Salk/Van Alstine room on Friday at RMAF 2012.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/sweet-streams-salk-and-van-alstine
"Texas-style blues (Could it have been Stevie Ray Vaughan?) sounded appropriately smooth, sweet, and articulate."
And this was on the worst of three days, as the room needed to be tamed, which didn't occur until Saturday morning. Nice!
Meijas'comments struck me as clinically polite.any idea how long he stayed?
post #7785 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Meijas'comments struck me as clinically polite.any idea how long he stayed?

Honestly, no. I recall numerous "press" guys from the "big three" magazines coming through, but I was in the Fried room for the whole show. I don't remember if Meijas was the gentleman who spent 20 minutes in our room chatting with Pete and I or if that was someone else, and I have no idea at which point he visited Jim's room. Based on his picture I would guess it was Friday, because Jim purchased a new router Friday night, and the old router is in that picture. Brent Butterworth from Sound and Vision spent a little while with us, though, and he was very polite and stated that the Fried's were good especially considering the price. He chuckled that he'd heard speakers costing 5-6 thousand that didn't sound nearly as nice. What a nice guy to just talk to!
post #7786 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

As for the amp, after the discussions above, I'm thinking:
- leave the 4 OMD-5s on the receiver
- And either:
- 3 Emotiva XPA-1s
- a wyredforsound 3x500W
- a d-sonic 3x500W (or there is a used one I was pointed at that is 3x500, 2x250, which would likely work)

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Personally, I think the Wyred's sound a little better; more linear and detailed up top. YMMV.

I'll defer to Nuances better hearing if that is what he heard, but I honestly didn't feel there was enough difference to really notice, but he's def a more critical listener.

The D-Sonic Amp to me is more then adequate for my needs, but if your a super critical listener I would suggest a side by side.
To be perfectly honest everyones system setup is different and what they become accustomed to becomes their standard. I don't have the time nor ability to do alot of critical listening that many others can and do....

My biggest thought on all this, is that your amp will be far less of difference in sound compared to the biggest and most crutial choice you have already made and that is buying the SoundScapes. They are the biggest leap to the best possible sound you could get - Congrats.

Again, good luck on your choice....
post #7787 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Not at all, and we're here to help. You're a future Salk owner so this is a great place to ask about which electronics to pair them with. Again, I'd go with the Wyred's between the ones you listed, but to each their own. The Parasound A21 is also something to consider, even though it's 2-channel instead of 3. You need to go with what suits you best. In fact, you shouldn't even listen to us beyond the brand recommendations, because what one man hears is likely different than what the next hears. Some say electronics don't change the sound and it's all in your head, and others swear they make a noticeable difference. It doesn't matter which side you're on as long as you're happy, and that is the only thing that is important.
Enjoy your search, and do let us know what you end up with and how things sound.
P.S. You and benguin are going to have killer systems. I hope to own something like that one day. smile.gif

I'm not sure how to figure out what suits me best... do all of the above offer free in-home trial?

What I'm doing now is basically a bunch of "X vs Y" searches and reading posts... but yeah, listening would be good.
post #7788 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

My biggest thought on all this, is that your amp will be far less of difference in sound compared to the biggest and most crutial choice you have already made and that is buying the SoundScapes. They are the biggest leap to the best possible sound you could get - Congrats.
Again, good luck on your choice....

This is so true.
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

I'm not sure how to figure out what suits me best... do all of the above offer free in-home trial?
What I'm doing now is basically a bunch of "X vs Y" searches and reading posts... but yeah, listening would be good.

Unfortunately no. With amps there's really no way to tell how it will synergize with your system unless it's actually in your system. Due to this I purchase used from Audiogon, and if I don't like it I just sell it for close to what I paid. I research the heck out of it first, though. smile.gif
post #7789 of 9127
Nuance will lend you his amps for a month while your playing trial and error.... wink.gif

He's a super nice guy that way.....
post #7790 of 9127
One last question Nuance (well, for now... :-P):

Have you demo'd Emotiva XPA-1s in your system (or anywhere)? Curious if your recommendations of W4S/Parasound are because you've heard & liked those, but haven't heard the Emotiva, or if you have heard it and liked W4S/Parasound better.

If you have heard it, do you have any comments on what the differences were?
post #7791 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Nuance will lend you his amps for a month while your playing trial and error.... wink.gif
He's a super nice guy that way.....

Since we're talking about nice guys, can I borrow your subs for a month?

I'm playing tri...er..I just want your subs. tongue.gif
post #7792 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

One last question Nuance (well, for now... :-P):
Have you demo'd Emotiva XPA-1s in your system (or anywhere)? Curious if your recommendations of W4S/Parasound are because you've heard & liked those, but haven't heard the Emotiva, or if you have heard it and liked W4S/Parasound better.
If you have heard it, do you have any comments on what the differences were?

I have owned the Emotiva LPA-1 and also heard the XPA-2 in Jim Salk's shop. The W4S/Parasounds are superior in my opinion. The Emotiva's were thin in the mids and had an edgy sound to them in my opinion. They aren't what I'd call a "relaxed" or "smooth" amplifier. The W4S on the other hand is smoother but without losing detail or air, if that makes sense. It's hard to hear what an amplifier does (which usually is hardly anything in my experience) when it's not in your own system, though. I heard the W4S amps with my speakers, but it was at Patrick's house (Warpdrv), so not exactly apples to apples. I did, however, compare a number of amps in my own system including the Parasound and the Emotiva stuff. If I had to purchase an amp right now it would probably be the Parasound A21 for class A/B or a Wyred ST-500 for digital. For the money you're getting great build quality and a serious amount of performance; so much so that there's nothing to complain about in this price range in my opinion. And honestly, a lot of these amps sound very similar, if not the same, so once you reach a certain level of quality you shouldn't have a problem. Some people even say there's no difference between a 300 receiver's amps and dual monoblock 300 watt SS amps. To each their own, so long as they are happy.

I hope that helps. The only way you'll be able to know for sure is by putting something into your system and listening, and that is why I recommend purchasing amps used, or perhaps from a company that has a liberal return policy (such as Audio Advisor).
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Nuance will lend you his amps for a month while your playing trial and error.... wink.gif
He's a super nice guy that way.....

biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Since we're talking about nice guys, can I borrow your subs for a month?
I'm playing tri...er..I just want your subs. tongue.gif

LOL - well played sir. biggrin.gif He likes to say he likes his subs need to be capable of blowing the clothing off "the ladies;" I'm not sure sure they couldn't actually do that. biggrin.gif
post #7793 of 9127
Ok I lied--I have another question.

How do I determine whether I want class A/B vs a class D amp?

I mean, I know class D is more efficient and will save on the electric bill--and I've read that A/B 'sound better' or something, but I'm not sure what the sonic differences are, in general, between class A/B vs class D.
post #7794 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

Ok I lied--I have another question.
How do I determine whether I want class A/B vs a class D amp?
I mean, I know class D is more efficient and will save on the electric bill--and I've read that A/B 'sound better' or something, but I'm not sure what the sonic differences are, in general, between class A/B vs class D.

I would be interested to know what people think about this too, especially if there is real data showing any difference vs. just personal experience.
post #7795 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Since we're talking about nice guys, can I borrow your subs for a month?
I'm playing tri...er..I just want your subs. tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post


LOL - well played sir. biggrin.gif He likes to say he likes his subs need to be capable of blowing the clothing off "the ladies;" I'm not sure sure they couldn't actually do that. biggrin.gif

Agreed - well played indeed.... smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

Ok I lied--I have another question.
How do I determine whether I want class A/B vs a class D amp?
I mean, I know class D is more efficient and will save on the electric bill--and I've read that A/B 'sound better' or something, but I'm not sure what the sonic differences are, in general, between class A/B vs class D.

Morik
Before I moved to the Wyred amp for my system, I had a Rotel 1095, 200x5 A/B amp.... It was smooth powerful and sounded pretty darn good. drawback was it was in my console and got very very warm. I had to use fans in there to circulate the hot air out in order to keep it from tripping itself.

After moving to the Wyred unit, there were absolutely no heat issues whatsoever - and the SQ to me improved to less veiled, and the midrange seemed to lose the muddy aspect if only slightly, upper end was much cleaner with the delicate notes of symbols, high piano key strokes, triangles becoming more intricate. What I take from the move is the Wyred / Class D amps, have much better, cleaner, more transparent control of the full range they are amplifying.

Also I recall you being concerned about the dry/sterile comments coming from those about the Bel Canto's - which may have been attributed to the early models, but as time moved on the improvements made to the newest iterations of the B&O Ice Modules have more then proved themselves as being spectacular in performance and SQ.
Our own Kal Rubinson (writer/forum member) has owned / ownes?!?! the older and newest Bel Canto amp for his personal rig with the B&W 800D's - You can find his review here, he most certainly is a far better writer then us all. Surely with all the other products he has avail to him he must see something of value in the Ice Amps... which are the same modules as the Wyred and D-Sonic products as well.... http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/bel_canto_ref1000m_monoblock_power_amplifier/index.html

Not trying to come off as a fanboy, they are just really good amps IMO, and I'm not much of one to post up magazine reviews, but Kal's reviews are something that I can follow pretty well with trust. I'm sure others here will agree with his knowledge base and contributions on this forum.

Here is my sub build for a good laugh for you guys.... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1266665/warpdrvs-dual-opposed-18-lmss-the-xlerators
Edited by Warpdrv - 10/17/12 at 3:12pm
post #7796 of 9127
That is a gigantic set of subs. And in the 3rd picture they look like washing machines, or dryers.
post #7797 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

Ok I lied--I have another question.
How do I determine whether I want class A/B vs a class D amp?
I mean, I know class D is more efficient and will save on the electric bill--and I've read that A/B 'sound better' or something, but I'm not sure what the sonic differences are, in general, between class A/B vs class D.

You won't like this answer, but it's the truth: the only way to determine which sounds better or which one you "want" is to listen to it in your system. You could look at measurements and narrow things down based on that, but in the end you need to listen. This topic can get pretty heated because opinions vary quite a bit, but like I said earlier, all that matters is your own opinion, and as long as you're happy who cares about the rest.
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That is a gigantic set of subs. And in the 3rd picture they look like washing machines, or dryers.

He should have gone bigger. LOL! biggrin.gif
post #7798 of 9127
I also use a Wyred StI 500 with the SS8's. The sound is clean & dynamic & Iwould not change it for anything, I can recommend the combo.
post #7799 of 9127
I am currently doing my homework on my future audio purchases. I have decided to go with the Salk SS10's, but beyond this, I am lost and am wondering if some of you good people could point me in the right direction. The first thing that I have been looking at is active vs. passive crossovers. Looking at the pro's vs. con's of a the different setups, it seems to me that an active setup would allow me to squeeze every single drop of performance out of the SS10's, not to say that there is anything wrong with a passive system - but yes, I'm "that guy". smile.gif For that role, I looked at several active XO systems and finally found the DEQX HDP-4.

So, lets say I purchase my SS10's with the option of using an active speaker management system. From my understanding these are 3 way speakers, and after looking at the back panel of the DEQX unit I see there is a Low, Mid and High 1 & 2 for a total of 6 outputs which would go to the amplifiers supplying those drivers with power. Low outputs to the bass drivers, mid outputs to the mid drivers, and high outputs to the tweeters - but what about subs? In this configuration it appears that I would need a second unit to manage the subs which seems pricey and even harder to implement. Am I missing something here, or am I looking at this all wrong?

The next thing to cover is amplifiers. I would assume using monoblocks to power each bass driver would be a must, but what about the mids and highs? Smaller monoblocks? Then we come to brands of amps...there are just so many to choose from and I am 100% lost on that one. Pricing WILL be a concern and I know you get what you pay for but at the same time I'm not trying to win any kind of competition, I just want a REALLY nice sound system that I can listen to and enjoy for many many years to come because the wife has already said that if I make a purchase of this size it will be my last purchase of that size for the foreseeable future. To give a little more detail, I'm legally blind and this will be my "car", so I want to make sure that I get the best price / performance ratio I can get without going "too cheap" if you know what I mean.

Thanks
post #7800 of 9127
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Originally Posted by STrooperTK421 View Post

I am currently doing my homework on my future audio purchases. I have decided to go with the Salk SS10's, but beyond this, I am lost and am wondering if some of you good people could point me in the right direction. The first thing that I have been looking at is active vs. passive crossovers. Looking at the pro's vs. con's of a the different setups, it seems to me that an active setup would allow me to squeeze every single drop of performance out of the SS10's, not to say that there is anything wrong with a passive system - but yes, I'm "that guy". smile.gif For that role, I looked at several active XO systems and finally found the DEQX HDP-4.
So, lets say I purchase my SS10's with the option of using an active speaker management system. From my understanding these are 3 way speakers, and after looking at the back panel of the DEQX unit I see there is a Low, Mid and High 1 & 2 for a total of 6 outputs which would go to the amplifiers supplying those drivers with power. Low outputs to the bass drivers, mid outputs to the mid drivers, and high outputs to the tweeters - but what about subs? In this configuration it appears that I would need a second unit to manage the subs which seems pricey and even harder to implement. Am I missing something here, or am I looking at this all wrong?

This is a bit of a hairy subject because if you're not experienced with implementing an active system you can easily do more harm than good. If you're settled on going this route, though, I would contact Jim and have him build the speakers as an active pair right from the get go, forgoing the passive crossover entirely. This might be the first pair built this way, so it'll take a little extra time, but at least you'll know you got the best active version possible.

As to your questions, it sounds like you've got the understanding of it all down; each driver will need its own amp channel, and the sub(s) will likely need their own dedicated unit. If you look at the active Linkwitz Orions, Siegfried supplies each driver only enough power to reach x-max, and nothing more. This ensures you cannot over-drive the woofers and cause them to bottom out or distort. I think this is a smart approach, although I admit I don't know much about active systems. I've heard from many that when done properly they are very beneficial, but then I've heard from others in the industry that the difference is negligible. In the end it'll be up to the individual to determine which sounds best to them.
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Originally Posted by STrooperTK421 View Post

The next thing to cover is amplifiers. I would assume using monoblocks to power each bass driver would be a must, but what about the mids and highs? Smaller monoblocks? Then we come to brands of amps...there are just so many to choose from and I am 100% lost on that one. Pricing WILL be a concern and I know you get what you pay for but at the same time I'm not trying to win any kind of competition, I just want a REALLY nice sound system that I can listen to and enjoy for many many years to come because the wife has already said that if I make a purchase of this size it will be my last purchase of that size for the foreseeable future. To give a little more detail, I'm legally blind and this will be my "car", so I want to make sure that I get the best price / performance ratio I can get without going "too cheap" if you know what I mean.
Thanks

Concerning the subwoofers you could use anything you want I suppose. You can even hide a couple pro amps somewhere else in the house and run the subs with those. Wait, before I continue, when you say subs do you mean the woofers/passives in the speakers, or will you be using separate subwoofers? If it's the latter and they are a passive design (no plate amp), just get a nice pro amp and hide them somewhere; you'll achieve the best bang for buck this way. If you're talking about the woofers in the speakers, perhaps a 2-channel amp or dual monoblocks would be best, yes. Then you could just use something like an ATI (like Linkwitz does) or whatever to power the rest of the drivers. I am sure Jim will work with you and customize things however you want; that's kind of "his thang." smile.gif
Edited by Nuance - 10/18/12 at 6:13am
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