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post #7801 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

This is a bit of a hairy subject because if you're not experienced with implementing an active system you can easily do more harm than good. If you're settled on going this route, though, I would contact Jim and have him build the speakers as an active pair right from the get go, forgoing the passive crossover entirely. This might be the first pair built this way, so it'll take a little extra time, but at least you'll know you got the best active version possible.

I will admit, active is "over my head", as in, I have never had anything like that before and have never set up anything with active XO's before. I decided to learn what I can about it early on, so when it is time to make a purchase I will already know what I want, and what I will be getting into.
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

As to your questions, it sounds like you've got the understanding of it all down; each driver will need its own amp channel, and the sub(s) will likely need their own dedicated unit. If you look at the active Linkwitz Orions, Siegfried supplies each driver only enough power to reach x-max, and nothing more. This ensures you cannot over-drive the woofers and cause them to bottom out or distort. I think this is a smart approach, although I admit I don't know much about active systems. I've heard from many that when done properly they are very beneficial, but then I've heard from others in the industry that the difference is negligible. In the end it'll be up to the individual to determine which sounds best to them.
Concerning the subwoofers you could use anything you want I suppose. You can even hide a couple pro amps somewhere else in the house and run the subs with those. Wait, before I continue, when you say subs do you mean the woofers/passives in the speakers, or will you be using separate subwoofers? If it's the latter and they are a passive design (no plate amp), just get a nice pro amp and hide them somewhere; you'll achieve the best bang for buck this way. If you're talking about the woofers in the speakers, perhaps a 2-channel amp or dual monoblocks would be best, yes. Then you could just use something like an ATI (like Linkwitz does) or whatever to power the rest of the drivers. I am sure Jim will work with you and customize things however you want; that's kind of "his thang." smile.gif

See, that was going to be my next set of questions - does the XO keep the amps from overloading the drivers? I mean, a tweeter by itself I'm sure doesn't draw a lot of power. As far as the subs go, I was looking at the Rhythmik subs being offered, but the ones I was looking at have the plate amps already built in.
post #7802 of 9127
What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?

To me it's really down to the Imagine T2's (or used Synchrony 1s) or the Salk SCST's.

I'd pair the SCST's with a SongCenter and dump my Swan stuff. May already have a potential buyer smile.gif
post #7803 of 9127
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?
To me it's really down to the Imagine T2's (or used Synchrony 1s) or the Salk SCST's.
I'd pair the SCST's with a SongCenter and dump my Swan stuff. May already have a potential buyer smile.gif

My SCST's and matching SCSC (Supercharged SongCenter) won't arrive for another 40 days or so. I'm planning to use my AVA Insight+ 240/3 as soon at gets back from being upgraded to a Synergy 240/3.

At a GTG this summer, I took my AVA FetValve 400R and we compare a variety of amps w/ HT2-TLs. The Sanders and FetValve were my top two picks.
post #7804 of 9127
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What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?
Denon 4311. Hasn't failed me yet. smile.gif
Sell those suckers and get on with it man.
post #7805 of 9127
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Denon 4311. Hasn't failed me yet. smile.gif
Sell those suckers and get on with it man.
I gotta move first broham smile.gif
post #7806 of 9127
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What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?
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Parasound Classic 5250
post #7807 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?

Parasound Halo amp and classic 2100 preamp. I'll eventually be moving to something else in the preamp department, though. The Halo amp hasn't failed me yet, though, and offers great bang for buck; if I were to "upgrade" it would probably just be upwards in the Halo line.

Did you and I chat at the show this weekend? Did you drop by the Fried room a couple of times, one of which we ended up chatting in the hall way? I'm trying to place a face with your forum name (here and on Audio Circle).
post #7808 of 9127
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?
To me it's really down to the Imagine T2's (or used Synchrony 1s) or the Salk SCST's.
I'd pair the SCST's with a SongCenter and dump my Swan stuff. May already have a potential buyer smile.gif

I'm powering my SongTowers, SongCenter and SongSurround I's with a Denon AVR-5800. Works extremely well and I couldn't be happier (well, I probably could with HDMI capabilities and all, but that would cost a lot of money to keep a high quality amp section too wink.gif
post #7809 of 9127
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

What are you guys using to power your SALK systems? Emotiva? Parasound? NAD? Van Alstine?
To me it's really down to the Imagine T2's (or used Synchrony 1s) or the Salk SCST's.
I'd pair the SCST's with a SongCenter and dump my Swan stuff. May already have a potential buyer smile.gif

Emotiva UPA-1s and USP-1 Pre for my HT2-TLs
post #7810 of 9127
I use Parasound A51 AMP to power my HT2-TL speakers and HT2C, the front three speakers , thru the Yamaha AVR 1900 pre outs , I let the Yamaha power the 2 surround speakers direct .

Mark
post #7811 of 9127
Used to have a Parasound A52 for the HT2-TL and HT2C. Switched to Wyred4Sound few months back...liking it much better. Parasound always had a little bit of grain / edginess for me. W4S is very smooth and the bass is also much better. YMMV, of course.
post #7812 of 9127
Speaking of amps, what should one consider when driving a 4 ohm speaker with recommended amplification of 80-250 watts (SCST). The lowest you get from the Wyred 4 Sound multichannel line comes out to 500 wpc (stated) at 4 ohms. I realize one needn't use the full range of power but it just seems like you're paying for capabilities you'll never realize if you stick to the recommended levels.
post #7813 of 9127
Means you'll have an extra 3 dB headroom and the amp will run cooler and last longer. No worries!
post #7814 of 9127
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

Means you'll have an extra 3 dB headroom and the amp will run cooler and last longer. No worries!

Buy once, cry once I always say....

As Always, nice to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.....
post #7815 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Buy once, cry once I always say....
As Always, nice to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.....
Indeed, but better still to buy only that which you need and pay less for it. Waste not, want not and all that. smile.gif
post #7816 of 9127
W4S had a new multichannel amp on static display at RMAF. Lower power, around ~150-160 WPC @ 8 Ohms, and lower price, the rep quoted $1600. It might be worthwhile to follow up with them if looking for a slightly less powerful, and a little less expensive multichannel than their existing line.
post #7817 of 9127
The W4S MINI MC 5 does 368w@4 ohms and is significantly smaller, though the amp is different (not ICE). It's about $1,000 less than the 5x250wpc (@8 ohms) ICE version. That would do well I imagine.

So how cool are these D-class amps? Cool enough to keep the cable/DVR box on top?
post #7818 of 9127
I power my Ht2-TLs with an AVA Ultra 550. HTC and SongSurrounds are powered by an AVA insight 240/3. I have a pair of Song Centers as bookshelves in the other room hooked to an Ultimate 70. Awesome sound all around.

Ok, I have a pair of songtower RTs for sale currently powered by nothing. Anyone in the NYC area want a good deal on a pair, PM and let me know. I have to get rid of them or my wife will kill me. I cannot ship though as the original boxes were too big for the apartment and got tossed. Would consider a trade for a high end phono-pre. And I would expect the phono-pre to be in the same price range as the speakers or a significant cash component.
post #7819 of 9127
So I think I'm going to go with the W4S 3x500w amp (1000w into 4 ohms) for the SS8s & HT2C.

I realize the recommended power is up to 250w on each of those, but having more never hurts, right? Its 25% more expensive, but I wouldn't worry about pumping the speakers up pretty loud.
post #7820 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Parasound Halo amp and classic 2100 preamp. I'll eventually be moving to something else in the preamp department, though. The Halo amp hasn't failed me yet, though, and offers great bang for buck; if I were to "upgrade" it would probably just be upwards in the Halo line.
Did you and I chat at the show this weekend? Did you drop by the Fried room a couple of times, one of which we ended up chatting in the hall way? I'm trying to place a face with your forum name (here and on Audio Circle).
I stopped by the fried booth...to be honest it's hard to know which ones I visited more than once or chatted with someone in the hall in, that seemed to happen a lot. I would have been with my buddy, I'm 6f6 and I was wearing OU gear and my buddy is about 5ft10...he would have been in the convo if it was me...
post #7821 of 9127
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

So how cool are these D-class amps? Cool enough to keep the cable/DVR box on top?

Yes....

They run very cool.... barely warm at normal listening levels, warm when pushed to the limits...
post #7822 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Morik View Post

So I think I'm going to go with the W4S 3x500w amp (1000w into 4 ohms) for the SS8s & HT2C.
I realize the recommended power is up to 250w on each of those, but having more never hurts, right? Its 25% more expensive, but I wouldn't worry about pumping the speakers up pretty loud.

You'll be thrilled with that amp....

The nice thing about it - is later down the road, you can have them add surround channel amp modules if you ever need them, perhaps if you want to upgrade to a full preamp.
post #7823 of 9127
I'm in the same boat as Morik. I have a Odyssey Candela preamp on the way and now deciding between a Odyssey Khartago Extreme+ stereo amp or W4S ST500. More power in the W4S but Klaus says the Khartago will have provide plenty of current for my HT2-TL's. However I hope to have SS8's soon.

So that brings me to driving the HTC2. Klaus said he could build me a mono or could get a W4S mono for the center. Or I could get the W4S 3x500 amp like Morik is doing. Is there any advantages of getting a 2 channel amp with a mono vs a 3 channel?

Leaning toward the W4S just based on the discussion above but still open to thoughts. And if I go with W4S. 2 + 1 or 3 channel.

David
post #7824 of 9127
From the research I've done, there is no difference between the W4S mono and the W4S multi-channel--the multi-channel is basically separate monos in the same chassis.

You could ask wyred4sound if there are differences.
post #7825 of 9127
I did just check out the Odyssey website and they do offer a HT3 Stratos amp. Upgrade the caps and go for the Extreme and it would still cost quite a bit less than the W4S amp (3x500). Guess it all comes down to A/AB vs ICE but Klaus is a helluva a salesman! :-)

May have a winner....
post #7826 of 9127
Wow dude.....

And you can get that baby in HOT PINK !!!! smile.gif


Nice that there are other options out there for 3 channel amps....

Curious as to what the power is at 4ohms on 3 channels...
post #7827 of 9127
You should check out the d-sonic amplifiers.
www.d-sonic.net
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post #7829 of 9127
Jim built me a 5.1 setup earlier this year: SC STs, SC Center, Surround I and Salk/Rythmik 12". I managed to "find" some room and decided to go with another Rythmik sub. Since I replaced the tables my speakers were sitting on I was in need of some stands as well. Salk came through as usual and I couldn't be happier. Here are some pics:


This last one is how Jim addressed my cable management concern. It works great. Sorry about the poor light. It was a cloudy day and all my lamps were unplugged.
Edited by repete66211 - 11/6/12 at 8:05am
post #7830 of 9127
my salks (ht2-tl, ht1 surrounds, ht2c center) are currently being powered by a yamaha neohd toy... remarkably well, one might add... smile.gif given that i'm still a 5 year old at heart, i WAS able to put it into protection... tongue.gif

once the ship finally gets in, they'll have a denon 4520 hooked up to them... i anticipate no issues, the denon a100 i had (amoungst other things) never had any issues with them...
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