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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

"awsome" and
I bought the ones I listened to at the Audioholics GTG; I just didn't convince the wife in time to save shipping.

Awesome! They look and sound great (saw and heard them in person at RMAF 2012). Congrats!
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Originally Posted by dmsdms View Post

I don't have a camera nice enough to do them justice. They are curly cherry with black dye, full front baffle and black edges. Maybe not everyones cup of tea but, in low/medium light, they basically look like very glossy black speakers. With natural light from windows, they become bright but smoky and extremely detailed on any surface the light reaches. So, they basically fade into the background at night but, make you pause and admire the finish during the day. Perfect.

Sounds great to me. Congrats!
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I took delivery of my SCST, SC SongCenter and SongSurronds in curly cherry with expresso finish on Saturday afternoon. I'm close to Jim's shop so I was able to pick them up and save on shipping.
I was fortunate enough to get tour of the shop and check out some works in progress. There are some VERY cool speakers being built there. It was like audio nirvana. And I'm already thinking about placing another order.
Jim helped me load my speakers into my truck and I headed home.
My wife, who has been somewhat skeptical about this purchase, was shocked by the finish and beauty of them. They truly are fine furniture quality.
I set them up Sunday morning and was immediately impressed with the sound quality. Shocked really. And this was without finding proper placement or any type of room correction/set up at all.
I'm still working on getting everything tuned in but I can say that I am 100% certain I made the right choice by purchasing Salk speakers.
Some pics to follow.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

So after my new sofa arrived I set everything up and ran the Audyssey XT32. I am not entirely pleased with the results. The center channel is way too quiet but the surprising part is the subs, both about 9.5 feet from the main listening position, were measured at 11.5 and 6.5 feet.

I'm pretty sure that the distances are adjusted to get the subs in phase with one another--the small delay that is introduced by that extra 2 feet on one sub, and the reduction in delay that is caused by the 3 feet closer on the other, will result in the best matching up of the phases with each other.

If you are concerned about it I would go ask some questions in the Audyssey thread.
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Originally Posted by KnifeGuy View Post

I took delivery of my SCST, SC SongCenter and SongSurronds in curly cherry with expresso finish on Saturday afternoon. I'm close to Jim's shop so I was able to pick them up and save on shipping.
I was fortunate enough to get tour of the shop and check out some works in progress. There are some VERY cool speakers being built there. It was like audio nirvana. And I'm already thinking about placing another order.

Knife- I'm VERY curious if you happened to see some SS8's in the finishing area? (not that I'm keeping a close eye on any tineo veneer speakers in process or anything...)

I know you've got to be thrilled with your new Salks!!
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Originally Posted by benguin View Post

Knife- I'm VERY curious if you happened to see some SS8's in the finishing area? (not that I'm keeping a close eye on any tineo veneer speakers in process or anything...)
I know you've got to be thrilled with your new Salks!!

Hmmmm. Well I did see a few SS8s around but I couldn't you specifically where each was, with the exception of a pair of red SS8s that was hooked up and playing when I got there.
If it helps any I placed my order on 8/18 and they were ready on 11/10.
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The center channel is way too quiet but the surprising part is the subs, both about 9.5 feet from the main listening position, were measured at 11.5 and 6.5 feet.

That waas probably done to get the best phase tracking between subs (and to the mains)

The waveforms of the bass are so large that the physical distance in a room is pretty much irrelevant compared to how they're summing up at the listening position. By playing around with the "distance" (which is a digital delay) you can change the phase especially in the 60hz - 100hz range.

As far as the center channel being too quiet, i'd wager that's just the way movies are recorded rearing its head.
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

As far as the center channel being too quiet, i'd wager that's just the way movies are recorded rearing its head.
I'd assume the same were the current EQ not so different from what Audyssey did before. Or maybe I level-matched after running the EQ before. I don't remember.
Edited by repete66211 - 11/14/12 at 7:03am
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Some crummy pics. I can assure you that they look MUCH better in person. I wish I was a better photographer so I could do these speakers a bit of justice

This is the view when I first opened the SongCenter.


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Trying to show the beautiful wood grain and finish

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Yea. Cameras never seem to do justice to the finish.

Beautiful set. Happy listening.
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Thread Starter 
Those look amazing, Knife Guy. Congrats and enjoy!
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@KnifeGuy: Those are some beauties. In fact, they look quite similar to mine. You're going to love them. Enjoy!
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Knife guy, those are awesome looking speakers. I have dark curly cherry on order, and I'm wondering how similar it is to the espresso curly cherry?

I'm expecting mine pretty soon. The on line status got through final top coat and final assembly yesterday. All that is left if testing/qa, final inspection, packing and shipping!!!

What are the dimensions of the center channel??
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

What are the dimensions of the center channel??
That looks like a front-ported SongCenter. If so, it's 23" W x 8" H x 10.5" D.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

That looks like a front-ported SongCenter. If so, it's 23" W x 8" H x 10.5" D.

Close. It's actually 23"W x 8"H x 14.5"D
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Ah, so a custom front ported SC?
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Ah, so a custom front ported SC?

I asked Jim if he could make a matching SC SongCenter for me and he said sure, no problem. I made no mention of dimensions, that was 100% on his end.
He did mention that if the center channel was ever going to be in a cabinet or on a shelf or at any time close to a wall then front porting would be wise. I have no plans to back it against a wall or cabinet but opted for front porting anyway...just in case. I plan on having these for a long time and center channel placement my change somewhere down the line.
Front porting is also an option on the SCSTs, but I am certain that they will never be placed against a wall.
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I'm not clear what the downside of front porting is (why it's not default) except perhaps aesthetics.
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

I'm not clear what the downside of front porting is (why it's not default) except perhaps aesthetics.

I am by no means a speaker designer, but one downside I see is that, for the same size port and bass extension, you need a bigger speaker because the port and drivers all have to fit in the front baffle. Just an observation based on pure logistics. For example, the center pictured above could maybe be 3 or 4 inches narrower on each side if the ports were moved to the back.
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post

I am by no means a speaker designer, but one downside I see is that, for the same size port and bass extension, you need a bigger speaker because the port and drivers all have to fit in the front baffle. Just an observation based on pure logistics. For example, the center pictured above could maybe be 3 or 4 inches narrower on each side if the ports were moved to the back.
That seems like a true statement; though I think that mostly applies to bookshelves. Towers (usually) already have enough space on the front baffle.
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

That seems like a true statement; though I think that mostly applies to bookshelves. Towers (usually) already have enough space on the front baffle.

Totally agree. I am sure some people with more experience will chime in.
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post

Totally agree. I am sure some people with more experience will chime in.

Front porting is not considered best practice because all ports generate upper harmonics into the midrange that might be heard on axis, but should not be audible in a rear firing port. The practical significance of all this will depend on the specific port dimensions and tuning, and I haven't found it to be a real problem, at least not on the Salk speakers I've heard.
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Originally Posted by KnifeGuy View Post

I asked Jim if he could make a matching SC SongCenter for me and he said sure, no problem. I made no mention of dimensions, that was 100% on his end.
He did mention that if the center channel was ever going to be in a cabinet or on a shelf or at any time close to a wall then front porting would be wise.
The dimensions given on the website for the SongCenter are:
rear ported - 18" W x 8" H x 12" D
front ported - 23" W x 8" H x 10.5" D

I opted for front-ported, which measures 10.5" deep as stated. I'm curious why Jim went 14" on yours. Mine was in the first batch of supercharged SongCenters so perhaps he's done some tweaking in design since it was built. Regardless, mine sounds great and I'm sure you're loving the look and sound of yours as well. Congrats again.
Edited by repete66211 - 11/19/12 at 8:58am
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Well my SCSTs were shipped Tuesday. They actually made the trip several states away quite fast. According to the fedex tracking they are sitting on the delivery truck in my town waiting delivery on the next business day. (Tomorrow) Its nice they made the trip that fast, but a bummer that I know they are about 5 miles from my house siting on a truck for over 24 hours! smile.gif

Well I'm off tomorrow, so I'll have plenty of time to get them in, set up and running!! I'll post some pics and impressions tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Well my SCSTs were shipped Tuesday. They actually made the trip several states away quite fast. According to the fedex tracking they are sitting on the delivery truck in my town waiting delivery on the next business day. (Tomorrow) Its nice they made the trip that fast, but a bummer that I know they are about 5 miles from my house siting on a truck for over 24 hours! smile.gif
Well I'm off tomorrow, so I'll have plenty of time to get them in, set up and running!! I'll post some pics and impressions tomorrow.


Congratulations! You're going to love them.
You've waited this long but that last day can be torture. Pictures would be very much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by KnifeGuy View Post

....... Pictures would be very much appreciated.

It's been awhile since we've seen a FedEx picture.......has that tradition faded away?
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Oh. Excuse me. That's not a Salk speaker.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post


Oh. Excuse me. That's not a Salk speaker.

hehehe......I won't tell.biggrin.gif
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Well I didn't know about the fedex truck tradition or I could have. I was in the front yard yesterday putting up Christmas lights and stuff when the fedex guy came. I even had my iphone in my pocket. Oh well, I did take this pic.

I"ll take a better picture later. (I don't know why the floor and ST onthe left look slanted. Some photographic optical illusion). You'll notice the absence of any acoustic treatments behind the speakers. A part of being married. tongue.gif The floor however isn't totally barren, you don't see the wool 9x12 are rug just out of the field of view.

The finish is a dark curly cherry which is almost a perfect match to the TV cabinet which is an Ethan Allen cabinet my wife picked out. (I liked the cabinet as it has hideaway doors that allow full air flow to components). The only difference is the cabinet has a tinge more red in it, but you have to get up close to really notice. You hear and read in the forums how great Jim's finishes are, so you'd think you wouldn't be surprised or have your expectations exceeded, but guess what, you are still floored. The finish is specatacular. Unpacking and the like was rather uneventful, although my heart skipped a beat or two as the box was rather beat up to the point of having holes in it, but interior packaging was fuily intact. In retrospect I think the holes came from fed sliding the box around as opposed to picking it up. The guy on the delivery truck was sliding it out of the back on a dolly before I ran over and grabbed one end to carefully guide it on the dolly.

Speaker set up went fine. As opposed to laying the speaker on its side on a table to install the plinth, I layed it on its side on a couple of couch cushions on the floor. Jim cautions about overtightening the plinth bolts. I used the one thumb ratchet method, never using more than about 1/2 in of moment arm of the ratchet arm. In fact the first speaker I did didn't seem to have a level plinth and I discovered I needed a little more torque on a couple of screws. I wish I had taken the suggestion of putting a little epoxy in them, I'll probably never remove them. I should have ordered banannas before the speakers arrived, but I just used bare wire connection to the Cardas'. I wish they had a hole in the post. like a traditional five point connector, it would have been easier for bare wire. I just had to shave off a little more insulation to get the wire fully wrapped around the post. The Salks were a replacment to an existing 2.0 system so no other connections were necessary. The other components in the audio chain are an Oppo BDP-95 with analog going to a denon 3311ci to the cd input in pure direct mode. I placed the speakers about 10" from the wall toed in about 10-15 degrees. I was limited somewhat in placement which is why I choose the SCST. They did just fine that close to the wall. Now we are ready for the first listening test.... (drum roll please...)

Here is where I departed from Jim's instructions. His instructions suggest first listening to his provided test CD of songs. Well when I fired up the Oppo the disc inside the player was a DVD-audio I'd created from a download of a Linn Records 24/88 flac recording of Handel's The Messiah. My first instinct was to test the Salks and how deep the bass was having come from a set of bookshelf speakers (Paradigm Studio 10s, great bookshelves, but a little short in the bass department). You won't get enthralling bass from Handel's Messiah, but I was instantly captivated by the clarity of the mid range the piece starting with a string arrangement. I couldn't stop myself, I sat there and listening to the whole disc. (about 1.5 hours or so). It was a good test disc, as I had just listened to that same disc a couple of days ago through my old speakers. The difference was very apparent. Its also a good piece to take the Raals out for a spin. Some of the high notes the soproanos hit are indeed amazing as well as some of the high notes of the horn section, particulalry when it gets to the hallelujah chorus. When I decided I wanted Salks, I thought I really wanted the OW2 tweeter. I even inquired to Jim about building a SCST with the OW2 because I also wanted the better F3 from the SCST over the ST. Good thing I listened to Jim. The mid range and the Raal shined. The Handel piece does have some good bass in places, some organ, cello, and kettle drums. The SCST handled it all very nicely. After Handel I wanted to explore something totally different. (I had forgotten about the test disc at that point). What's up... The Beatles White Album. I wanted to see how they rocked as well. One word, exceptional. Starting with Back in the USSR the SCST were amazing. My favorite song on that disc, Dear Prudence, is where Paul's bass really shines. The SCSTs handled it flawlessly. I ended the session right after While my Guitar Gently Weeps (and it did or I did).

The speakers are an easy load on an AVR. I was worried even though I've read this over and over. The 3311ci is 125 wpc. With the Paradigms I had the volume limiter set at -10 db. I thought maybe I'd up that to 0db, but no, that's wasn't really required. about -10db is about as loud as I'd want to listen. After my session was over, I put my hand on top of the 3311 and it was barely warm, just like usual. Cool!! I've toyed with the idea of an integrated with XLRs to take advantage of those in the oppo, but I'll pass, probably smile.gif.

Well, that's about it. I think. I'll try to snap a better picture later.
Edited by glangford - 11/24/12 at 4:03am
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Although it sounds like you know what you're doing, in addition to experimenting with toe-in you might also want to consider playing with the speaker location if space allows for it. I had mine flanking my TV at first--about 4-5 feet apart--but when I spread that to about 9 feet the imaging improved significantly.

Thanks for the write-up. It's always informative to read what other people do. Enjoy!
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I'm about 6.5 ft apart. That's a very wide cabinet. I can't really go any farther.

i've done some more listening. I've been stuck on classical music and have been truly amazed. I finally went to some jazz, and boy they sure do go low. I was afraid of boomy bass, but they do fine about 10" from the wall.
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