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post #7921 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

How loud do you listen and how large is your room? I ask because for primarily HT and TV use a high sensitivity design might be a good approach. Jim has been working on such a design, so you may want to inquire about it, especially if you watch movies at reference levels.

He has? So is that and the Pharoas some kind of endorsement of SQ of HE drivers?

I haven't been able to get him to post thoughts on SQ of high sensitivity drivers in my thread over there - and I don't feel like bumping it again.
post #7922 of 9127
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

I like listening to stuff pretty loud when watching movies. The room is about 20x26, however the "theater" area is in a corner area that is probably 14x15 or so, but is open to the rest of the room.
I'd also be curious if anyone has heard any of the speaker setups I mentioned above vs. a Salk setup they've heard.
I'm leaning towards the JTR for time being but I have yet to personally hear them. Part of the reason is simply based on what others have said in comparison to the other speakers, and the fact that they are more dynamic than the Klipsch and B&W ones.
But I still would like to weigh all options before I spend $5k+ on speakers.

A group of us have heard them in direct comparison, yes. It was at a GTG event we held in April of this year. To summarize, the HT guys thought the high sensitivity designs performed as well as the rest of the speakers for music, while the 2-channel guys disagreed. People like what they like and biases can be very influential in our decision making (unfortunate). The JTR comparison has to be taken with a grain of salt, though, as Jeff (the designer) chose not to run them with subwoofers (they were designed to be paired with subs), thus they didn't perform to their full capability. As far as my opinion, almost every high sensitive design I've heard compromises in music reproduction, which can usually be heard within the midrange frequencies. The instruments usually have poor tone/timbe and body. Also, soundstage size believability is flawed due to the controlled directivity design. Most HS speakers are designed to be used in a pro audio or HT environment, so these are compromises the designers are willing to make. Speaker design is all about trade-offs...

With that said, if you're focusing mostly on HT and TV I'd go with a high sensitivity design considering you said you watch/listen pretty loud. Your room is also pretty large (you have to take into account the entire size of the space, not just the 14x15 section). Jim doesn't have a high sensitive design on his website, but he'll build you anything you want. If you're interested in his work then definitely give him a call and discuss your options. He has been working with an individual on a hi-fidelity high sensitivity design for a while now, so I am sure he'd have a couple suggestions/combinations for you.
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

He has? So is that and the Pharoas some kind of endorsement of SQ of HE drivers?

No. He knows there is a demand for such, though, and has been working with at least one person to find a hi-fidelity HS design.
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

I haven't been able to get him to post thoughts on SQ of high sensitivity drivers in my thread over there - and I don't feel like bumping it again.

Call or E-mail him. Jim is smart and likely knows that engaging in a public discussion about HS vs. non-HS designs and their hi-fidelity musical reproduction capabilities would just start a war, no matter what his opinion is.
Edited by Nuance - 12/5/12 at 8:01am
post #7923 of 9127
Hey Nuance thanks for the reply. Do you have a link to the GTG thread where people wrote writeups on the speaker comparisons? I'd like to read over it if you do, thanks.
post #7924 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Hey Nuance thanks for the reply. Do you have a link to the GTG thread where people wrote writeups on the speaker comparisons? I'd like to read over it if you do, thanks.

Sure thing - here you go (that is where the comments from that particular GTG start):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1324185/se-wi-tower-speaker-gtg/840

By the way, I edited my previous post to share my own listening impressions, but you're going to read about them in the thread, so it's no big deal. These GTG's are very difficult to coordinate, set up and actually run; someone is always unhappy with the results. Listening for yourself is the best way to determine what will suit your needs, of course. With that said, you can get an idea of what people thought from the comments. The only one I'd take with a grain of salt is the dude's who sat on the floor in front of the left speaker; that's no place to sit while auditioning speakers and will introduce all sorts of issues. My comment is not meant as an attack on this particular person, as I respect him a great deal - I'm simply just starting the truth (you should always be at ear level or slightly above. He was also way too close to the speaker).
post #7925 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

No. He knows there is a demand for such, though, and has been working with at least one person to find a hi-fidelity HS design.
Call or E-mail him. Jim is smart and likely knows that engaging in a public discussion about HS vs. non-HS designs and their hi-fidelity musical reproduction capabilities would just start a war, no matter what his opinion is.

Makes sense. I haven't been pushing as i am still a long way from doing an upgrade, so internet exploring and forum discussion is still the right venue for me.

I'll certainly dive into private communication as I get closer.

That always works well. Look what happened last time - the WOW1 cool.gif

Maybe by then, whatever he's working on with this fellow will be a new product.
post #7926 of 9127
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Hey Nuance thanks for the reply. Do you have a link to the GTG thread where people wrote writeups on the speaker comparisons? I'd like to read over it if you do, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Sure thing - here you go (that is where the comments from that particular GTG start):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1324185/se-wi-tower-speaker-gtg/840
The first post in the thread also has links to each individual post/review. Makes it easier.
post #7927 of 9127
Thread Starter 
^ I forgot about that. Thanks, Curtis.
post #7928 of 9127
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone in the DMV area have any Salk setup's they would be willing to demo?
I have a 5 channel set up with Salk SongTower fronts and a SongCenter. They are with the standard dome tweeter.

I am in Gaithersburg. Send me a PM if you are interested in a demo.
post #7929 of 9127
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post

I have a 5 channel set up with Salk SongTower fronts and a SongCenter. They are with the standard dome tweeter.
I am in Gaithersburg. Send me a PM if you are interested in a demo.

PM sent!
post #7930 of 9127
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone in the DMV area have any Salk setup's they would be willing to demo?
I've listened to Klipsch RF-7 II and RC-64 II setup, a B&W CM9 and CMC2 setup, and I'm also contemplating some JTR Triple 12's. So I am looking for Salk setup's that are comparable to those.
My primary use is going to be for movies, tv, and games, with music listening a pretty distant last.
I was told by someone that before I make a purchase I should give Salk a try. I had never heard of this brand until he told me so now I'm trying to find some to listen to smile.gif

Although a bit of drive, I have a pair of HT2-TL that you are welcome to hear. I'm in SE Va (Hampton Roads area). PM me if interested.
post #7931 of 9127
Jim has put me in touch with a fellow that has SongTowers with the RAAL tweeters who is kind to give me a demo. Only about 10 mins from me too. We just have to get our free days sync'ed.
post #7932 of 9127
Thread Starter 
^ That's very cool. 10 minutes away - easy as pie. It doesn't get much better than that. Happy auditioning.
post #7933 of 9127
Does anyone have Songtowers paired with a NAD receiver? I have a T785 with the newest audio card (am200).
post #7934 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

Does anyone have Songtowers paired with a NAD receiver? I have a T785 with the newest audio card (am200).

From a power standpoint you'll be fine. When I decided on supercharged songtowers I've always read and Jim told me that they are an easy load and any reciever with an honest 80 watts can drive them. Well finally hearing is beiieving. I run a denon 3311ci @ 125X7wpc. The NAD runs 150 (stereo mode) and a full 120X7 in surround. With my denon I get all the volume I want and some. I had the volume limiter set at -10db when running bookshelves. When the Salk's arrived I figured I'd be bumping that up to 0db. No need still plenty of volume. You sound like you are getting normal STs which are even a tad more sensitive than the SCST. I'm sure the NAD will sound great with them. I'm also a believer that you'll not find much sound difference between reputable SS amps as long as you have enough power. I'd like to have a NAD.
Edited by glangford - 12/8/12 at 2:23am
post #7935 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

How loud do you listen and how large is your room? I ask because for primarily HT and TV use a high sensitivity design might be a good approach. Jim has been working on such a design, so you may want to inquire about it, especially if you watch movies at reference levels.
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

I like listening to stuff pretty loud when watching movies. The room is about 20x26, however the "theater" area is in a corner area that is probably 14x15 or so, but is open to the rest of the room.
I'd also be curious if anyone has heard any of the speaker setups I mentioned above vs. a Salk setup they've heard.
I'm leaning towards the JTR for time being but I have yet to personally hear them. Part of the reason is simply based on what others have said in comparison to the other speakers, and the fact that they are more dynamic than the Klipsch and B&W ones.
But I still would like to weigh all options before I spend $5k+ on speakers.
I just spent a good 2 hours with purbeast demoing my SongTowers & Center.

I was a little curious just how loud he liked things, so I gave him the remote, and said knock yourself out. I would have told him "that's enough" if it got loud enough to worry about damage, but that never happened. On a SPL meter, we got up to roughly 92-93 dB, when he said that's plenty loud for me. We were about 10 or 11 feet from the speakers in a room roughly 15×22 (not counting the kitchen that partially joins the family room)

I had a great time visiting with you even though the new BR player I recently got wasn't yet up and running yet mad.gif.

Good luck with your speaker search!
post #7936 of 9127
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

I've always read and Jim told me that they are an easy load and any receiver with an honest 80 watts can drive them.

I have the standard song series (tower, center, and surround 1) and run them with a receiver at 80wx2 or 60wx5 and it works fine in my room. When my HT is moved to a larger room I may look at getting an external amp.
post #7937 of 9127
My current quest in life is to hear B&W 800 or 802D; Kef Blades & LS50s; and Salk Soundscapes, preferably SS8s. If I only had known about Salk when I lived in Michigan, what a lost opportunity.
Edited by jima4a - 12/9/12 at 4:51pm
post #7938 of 9127
Thread Starter 
^Heck of a list. I hope you're able to hear them all sometime soon.
post #7939 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post

I just spent a good 2 hours with purbeast demoing my SongTowers & Center.
I was a little curious just how loud he liked things, so I gave him the remote, and said knock yourself out. I would have told him "that's enough" if it got loud enough to worry about damage, but that never happened. On a SPL meter, we got up to roughly 92-93 dB, when he said that's plenty loud for me. We were about 10 or 11 feet from the speakers in a room roughly 15×22 (not counting the kitchen that partially joins the family room)
I had a great time visiting with you even though the new BR player I recently got wasn't yet up and running yet mad.gif.
Good luck with your speaker search!

That's awesome - hope it was worthwhile for purbeast.
post #7940 of 9127
Yes it was worthwhile for me for sure, thanks again Richard!

I will say that I think the Salks sound better than the B&W CM9 and CMC2 setup that I was on the verge of buying, and they are significantly cheaper too. I was surprised how loud they sounded as well, and only at the 93db area. I probably wouldn't push them much louder, if at all, than we had them going. They sounded crisp and clear at that volume too.

However I still want to try and find a JTR setup to listen to before I make my purchase, simply based on the recommendation of them from so many people. I am glad that I went and listened to the Salks as well which were recommended from someone else.
post #7941 of 9127
One big benefit the Salks have over the JTR's is that you can run them full range. If you plan on driving them with a receiver, it doesn't matter but if you want a nice preamp, you will need one with some bass management and those are very few and far between. Also, I don't know what your priorities are but when you listen to the JTR's, check out how they image and the soundstage they throw. They go loud as hell but I sold my JTR setup (3XT8's and 2 slant 8's) and went back to some speakers that do two channel music right because the imaging, detail/resolution and soundstage of the JTR's didn't cut it. They supposedly are better in that regard now with the Noesis but you never really heard any JTR owner's talk about their limitations before either.
post #7942 of 9127
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

One big benefit the Salks have over the JTR's is that you can run them full range. If you plan on driving them with a receiver, it doesn't matter but if you want a nice preamp, you will need one with some bass management and those are very few and far between. Also, I don't know what your priorities are but when you listen to the JTR's, check out how they image and the soundstage they throw. They go loud as hell but I sold my JTR setup (3XT8's and 2 slant 8's) and went back to some speakers that do two channel music right because the imaging, detail/resolution and soundstage of the JTR's didn't cut it. They supposedly are better in that regard now with the Noesis but you never really heard any JTR owner's talk about their limitations before either.

Well to be honest music is the lowest priority on my list. The priority is movies, gaming, and tv, then music in the distant last. The music I listen is more hip-hop, pop, dance/club type music as well. I'm not a big fan of actual instrumental music. Well I shouldn't say it that way - I'm not a big fan of just listening to it in the background, I love it in movie soundtracks and stuff. I also plan on having a sub woofer (or 2) so I'm not too concerned about the bass department in the actual speaker.
post #7943 of 9127
The JTR's should suit you fine then.
post #7944 of 9127
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

The JTR's should suit you fine then.

Would you mind giving your opinion on your JTR setup vs. your Salk setup for HT useages?
post #7945 of 9127
Purbeast - better make the trip to Iowa so you can participate in the blind Salk/JTR shoot out :-).

Having heard both speakers in the same room sans subs, I would go with the JTR's for HT & gaming. I will be able to tell you more in a couple weeks.

David
post #7946 of 9127
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Would you mind giving your opinion on your JTR setup vs. your Salk setup for HT useages?

I don't actually own any Salks. I currently own a pair of Magnepan 3.7's and a pair of Philharmonic 3's. I also have a few other pairs of speakers lying around.... Unfortunately though, I am moving so nothing is set up anymore.

For HT, the JTR's were great. I am actually a big fan of using high sensitivity speakers if your only goal is reference level HT. Where the JTR's lacked in my opinion was in two channel stereo use but since that is not your goal, you will be fine with JTR's. I am going to shortly purchase some of the SEOS flat pack kits and put them together for HT use while alternating between the Mags and the Phils for two channel. Other speakers to look at (if they are still around) are the CHT's as they compared very favorably, if not slightly better, than other high efficiency speakers in a recent get together. I would also take a look at the SEOS designs and, if your budget can stretch it, the Seaton Catalysts are probably the best bet for HT and music at reference.
post #7947 of 9127
Thread Starter 
^ I completely agree with this post. Well stated sir.
post #7948 of 9127
Amplifier question...

This has probably been asked a million time but 265 pages... ugh frown.gif

I am currently driving my Salk HT3 with a Musical Fidelity A3.2. That's 110 Wpc, which to drive the HT3 is very much at the bottom end of what's acceptable. I am looking to upgrade the amp, what would you guys recommend?

I'm looking to hopefully not spend too much. I've looked at Emotiva, D-Sonic, etc. but open to any recommendation, including sticking with what I have (hey that's the cheapest!).

Thanks!
post #7949 of 9127
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Originally Posted by GloP View Post

Amplifier question...
This has probably been asked a million time but 265 pages... ugh frown.gif
I am currently driving my Salk HT3 with a Musical Fidelity A3.2. That's 110 Wpc, which to drive the HT3 is very much at the bottom end of what's acceptable. I am looking to upgrade the amp, what would you guys recommend?
I'm looking to hopefully not spend too much. I've looked at Emotiva, D-Sonic, etc. but open to any recommendation, including sticking with what I have (hey that's the cheapest!).
Many HT3 owners have observed that these speaker do much better with a big amp. This speaker's impedance dips below 4 ohms somewhere in the bass range, maybe 3 ohms or lower, I don't remember clearly. As a result, you need an amp that is stable below 4 ohms and can deliver plenty of power and current.

I can think of several amps that do that: AVA Synergy 450, Parasound A21, several of the larger ATI amps, just to name a few.

The best person to ask is Jim Salk.
post #7950 of 9127
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post

The best person to ask is Jim Salk.

+1
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