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post #8131 of 8704
2/11/13 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by RicardoJoa View Post

That would be better to say that the overall desing/cabinet and drivers makes the whole speaker.
As far as the tempesta and the SS7, there is a thread about it including the vapor audio, i think that would be a better place forscussion about them.

I found the post you talked about Tempesta vs SS7... Old post..not a ton of info...entire thread is only 8 posts long unless I missed something.
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post #8132 of 8704
2/11/13 at 6:27am
^^^This may be what Ricardo is referring to: Speaker Recommendation - Selah Tempesta vs Vapor Cirrus vs Salk etc.
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post #8133 of 8704
2/11/13 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

^^^This may be what Ricardo is referring to: Speaker Recommendation - Selah Tempesta vs Vapor Cirrus vs Salk etc.

That thread seems to be a Vapor Audio love fest, as pointed out by someone in the thread. smile.gif

I wouldn't buy anything from Rick at Selah based on my experience with him and how he has personally treated me (I assume because I am a Salk fan). He actually goes out of his way to spread lies about other manufacturers publicly. He'll never see a dime from me, even if he created the greatest speaker in the world. Sometimes it's more about just performance, which is why it's a good thing that Jim has superb customer service as well. Oh, and he's actually a nice guy too. smile.gif My vote is for the Salk's, of course. Based on sound alone though, I'd still go with Salk because of Dennis Murphy's crossovers.
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post #8134 of 8704
2/11/13 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

That thread seems to be a Vapor Audio love fest, as pointed out by someone in the thread. smile.gif

I wouldn't buy anything from Rick at Selah based on my experience with him and how he has personally treated me (I assume because I am a Salk fan). He actually goes out of his way to spread lies about other manufacturers publicly. He'll never see a dime from me, even if he created the greatest speaker in the world. Sometimes it's more about just performance, which is why it's a good thing that Jim has superb customer service as well. Oh, and he's actually a nice guy too. smile.gif My vote is for the Salk's, of course. Based on sound alone though, I'd still go with Salk because of Dennis Murphy's crossovers.


I'm sorry, but those comments seem out of line to me. I don't know what kind of relations you've had with Rick, but mine have always been cordial and productive. We first met when he hosted the DIY crossover contest in 2000--that's the event that really got me started in this hobby (occupation? no--definitely not). He's a talented and dedicated crossover designer and I've had the pleasure of hearing a number of his designs. I'm not aware of any "lies" he's spread about other manufacturers, and to accuse him of that on a public forum is a serious matter. Let's just back off here and try to see the best in people, and not take loudspeaker matters too seriously.
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post #8135 of 8704
2/11/13 at 8:14pm
I have to admit I have been an absolute pest to both Dennis and Rick and I can't say enough good things about them both. I always over analyize things...which I think from reading these boards ALLOT over the last 3 months seems to be a reoccuring theme for most of the people here.

I have pestered Dennis and Rick with about 30 emails each and both Rick and Dennis have been awesome. I would never post someone's personal emails but Rick had only great things to say about Dennis AND Jim Salk.

There are allot of things alike in Jim's, Rick's and Dennis's work... Sort of like if you got all the best painters in the world in a room...you would find that they all use the same paints (drivers etc.) just in different ways.

Anyway... I would like to really publicly thank Jim, Rick and Dennis and applogize now for any future emails that may come your way asking more un-educated questions. (That goes to 20 other people on here I have also pestered...you know who you are!) smile.gif

And I owe an appolgy to Jim for taking his thread off topic. Jim's entire lineup deservers all the praise it has gotten and more. If you read this Jim...sorry for moving the spotlight off the intent of this thread.

NOW back to Jim's Speakers...
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post #8136 of 8704
2/11/13 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

I always over analyize things...which I think from reading these boards ALLOT over the last 3 months seems to be a reoccuring theme for most of the people here.
In this hobby?! Never.
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post #8137 of 8704
2/12/13 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I'm sorry, but those comments seem out of line to me. I don't know what kind of relations you've had with Rick, but mine have always been cordial and productive. We first met when he hosted the DIY crossover contest in 2000--that's the event that really got me started in this hobby (occupation? no--definitely not). He's a talented and dedicated crossover designer and I've had the pleasure of hearing a number of his designs. I'm not aware of any "lies" he's spread about other manufacturers, and to accuse him of that on a public forum is a serious matter. Let's just back off here and try to see the best in people, and not take loudspeaker matters too seriously.

Dennis,

I am glad you've had good experienced with him, but this is my opinion based on my own experiences with him. I recall you being involved in a thread in which he was trying to discredit Salk impedance measurements and the use of TL cabinets. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program. smile.gif
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post #8138 of 8704
2/12/13 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Dennis,

I am glad you've had good experienced with him, but this is my opinion based on my own experiences with him. I recall you being involved in a thread in which he was trying to discredit Salk impedance measurements and the use of TL cabinets. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program. smile.gif
For anyone interested, they can find the thread in question by doing an advanced search in the Speaker section using the terms "Salk + impedance" and username=Rick Craig.

I don't know if Salk's webpage that he referenced has changed since those posts, but to be technical, Rick raised the issue of what singular number best described the speaker's impedance. He did this based on his knowledge of the drivers used and their relevant parameters. What is absent from all of this are actual published measurements of impedance and phase. Seeing as how John Atkinson seems to have no problem doing such measurements, a reasonable request to me would be to provide them, no?

As to discrediting the TL cabinets, I did not find Rick's comments to rise to that level. It's rather a pity that the former discussion could not hae proceeded further. Disagreements and vigorous bantering among professionals is nothing new. I welcome such spirited talks. It's how we move forward. Einstein and his contemporaries were at one time at odds over quantum mechanics. The proposal that many stomach ulcers were a result of bacteria met with widespread derision. Rather than take sides which tends to cloud our powers of reason supplanting it with emotion, let's embrace the bantering.
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post #8139 of 8704
2/12/13 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

For anyone interested, they can find the thread in question by doing an advanced search in the Speaker section using the terms "Salk + impedance" and username=Rick Craig.

I don't know if Salk's webpage that he referenced has changed since those posts, but to be technical, Rick raised the issue of what singular number best described the speaker's impedance. He did this based on his knowledge of the drivers used and their relevant parameters. What is absent from all of this are actual published measurements of impedance and phase. Seeing as how John Atkinson seems to have no problem doing such measurements, a reasonable request to me would be to provide them, no?

As to discrediting the TL cabinets, I did not find Rick's comments to rise to that level. It's rather a pity that the former discussion could not hae proceeded further. Disagreements and vigorous bantering among professionals is nothing new. I welcome such spirited talks. It's how we move forward. Einstein and his contemporaries were at one time at odds over quantum mechanics. The proposal that many stomach ulcers were a result of bacteria met with widespread derision. Rather than take sides which tends to cloud our powers of reason supplanting it with emotion, let's embrace the bantering.

His calling into question Salk's TL designs get touched on in the same thread you mentioned, but I posted a quote from the original in which Jeff Bagby put Rick in his place in that particular thread. Regardless, I don't mind bantering, but that is not what that was. I don't want to discuss this any further in this particular thread, so my apologies for taking it off topic. PM's are okay by me, though.
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post #8140 of 8704
2/12/13 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

For anyone interested, they can find the thread in question by doing an advanced search in the Speaker section using the terms "Salk + impedance" and username=Rick Craig.

I don't know if Salk's webpage that he referenced has changed since those posts, but to be technical, Rick raised the issue of what singular number best described the speaker's impedance. He did this based on his knowledge of the drivers used and their relevant parameters. What is absent from all of this are actual published measurements of impedance and phase. Seeing as how John Atkinson seems to have no problem doing such measurements, a reasonable request to me would be to provide them, no?

As to discrediting the TL cabinets, I did not find Rick's comments to rise to that level. It's rather a pity that the former discussion could not hae proceeded further. Disagreements and vigorous bantering among professionals is nothing new. I welcome such spirited talks. It's how we move forward. Einstein and his contemporaries were at one time at odds over quantum mechanics. The proposal that many stomach ulcers were a result of bacteria met with widespread derision. Rather than take sides which tends to cloud our powers of reason supplanting it with emotion, let's embrace the bantering.

+1. I remember the thread.
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post #8141 of 8704
2/17/13 at 12:00pm
So I finally got a sub to go along with my Songtowers! biggrin.gif

Does anyone have any advice on what crossover to use?

thanks!
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post #8142 of 8704
2/17/13 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by madhuski View Post

So I finally got a sub to go along with my Songtowers! biggrin.gif

Does anyone have any advice on what crossover to use?

thanks!

Nice - congrats! The crossover will be very dependent on the subwoofer, speakers and room interaction. Which subwoofer did you get? Do you have any means of measuring your room?

I'd say start with 80 and work from there. I wouldn't cross higher than 100 as to avoid localization issues.
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post #8143 of 8704
2/17/13 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Nice - congrats! The crossover will be very dependent on the subwoofer, speakers and room interaction. Which subwoofer did you get? Do you have any means of measuring your room?

I'd say start with 80 and work from there. I wouldn't cross higher than 100 as to avoid localization issues.

I picked up a used HSU VTF-15 (from "ack bk", who's a first class guy btw).

Unfortunately I dont have any way of measuring my room. The wife isnt all that happy when audyssey or MCACC does its thing, so if she saw me walking around with a SPL meter she'll be none too pleased.

I wasnt sure if with towers that can go lower I should use a lower cross over, but I'll start at 80 and see how it goes.

thanks!
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post #8144 of 8704
2/17/13 at 2:55pm
80 or 60 should work fine.
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post #8145 of 8704
2/19/13 at 8:35am
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In case anyone is looking to buy SongTower's, this is a seriously great deal!

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-salk-songtower-w-ribbon-tweeter-songcenter-and-songsurround-i-s-2013-02-18-speakers-77382-spring-tx
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post #8146 of 8704
2/19/13 at 8:48am
Damn - and they're local. Too bad it's a full system wink.gif Just the towers would be quite attractive.
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post #8147 of 8704
2/19/13 at 9:05am
Too bad?? You can buy them, keep the towers and sell the rest. You could make out quite well on that deal...
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post #8148 of 8704
2/19/13 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post

Damn - and they're local. Too bad it's a full system wink.gif Just the towers would be quite attractive.

It's a full system for the price of a new pair of SongTower ribbons. Buy the set and then sell off the center and rears. smile.gif
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post #8149 of 8704
2/19/13 at 10:47am
How are the Salks in a 5.1 system? Would they be BETTER then a M&K 750 system in a dedicated home theater?

Sean
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post #8150 of 8704
2/19/13 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

In case anyone is looking to buy SongTower's, this is a seriously great deal!

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-salk-songtower-w-ribbon-tweeter-songcenter-and-songsurround-i-s-2013-02-18-speakers-77382-spring-tx

they have already been sold!
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post #8151 of 8704
2/19/13 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

they have already been sold!
Ha - that's awesome. Over at Audioholics I said they wouldn't be around for long...I just didn't think it we be that short of a time. Cool.
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post #8152 of 8704
2/19/13 at 12:08pm
I have been looking at the Salk Song towers with "RT" for 2 channel under $3,000. I have not heard them in person but saw the posting on Audioholics and just had to do it. I think it was a good deal.
Not sure I will keep the center and surrounds. They may go up for sale.

Sean
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post #8153 of 8704
2/19/13 at 12:12pm
Right now the seller's saying, "I should have asked for more!"
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post #8154 of 8704
2/19/13 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Right now the seller's saying, "I should have asked for more!"
I was thinking the same thing! He could have bumped it up a fair amount and it would still have been a great deal.

As discussed over at Audioholics...it is the LCY tweet and not the RAAL.
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post #8155 of 8704
2/19/13 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by squid48072 View Post

I have been looking at the Salk Song towers with "RT" for 2 channel under $3,000. I have not heard them in person but saw the posting on Audioholics and just had to do it. I think it was a good deal.
Not sure I will keep the center and surrounds. They may go up for sale.

Sean

Hmm...How much you going to sell the SongSurrounds for? biggrin.gif Congrats, by the way. What a deal! Welcome to the Salk family.
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post #8156 of 8704
2/19/13 at 1:15pm
Hmmm, I have Surround I rears in my 5.2 right now. If I ever went 7.2...? Nah, I don't even want to think about it. But they are walnut like mine...Nonononononono!
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post #8157 of 8704
2/19/13 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by squid48072 View Post

I have been looking at the Salk Song towers with "RT" for 2 channel under $3,000. I have not heard them in person but saw the posting on Audioholics and just had to do it. I think it was a good deal.
Not sure I will keep the center and surrounds. They may go up for sale.

Congrats on what is the best deal I've seen for a 5 speaker Song system. Enjoy them.

Before you try to sell surrounds or center, be sure to give them a good listen. I don't know what speakers you have now or have heard, but you may find the SongSurrounds sound better than any pair of speakers you've owned before.
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post #8158 of 8704
2/19/13 at 2:00pm
I have a M&K 750 SYSTEM in 5.1. with a Anthem Mrx 500.

I will listen to the Salks in 5.1 and see if i like them better in my dedicated room. I like the M&K's due to their small footprint- but they are getting old.

Sean
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post #8159 of 8704
2/19/13 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by R Swerdlow View Post

... I don't know what speakers you have now or have heard, but you may find the SongSurrounds sound better than any pair of speakers you've owned before.

That's good to hear as I have a 5.0 curly walnut system (with ST RAALs, SC RAAL) on order. From reading all the reviews I'm pretty certain that the STs will be great speakers but there's not much written about the Surrounds.

BTW, since I placed my order I've developed a compulsive disorder of checking the Project Tracking system at least 20 times a day. Do you veterans know of a remedy? wink.gif
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post #8160 of 8704
2/19/13 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

That's good to hear as I have a 5.0 curly walnut system (with ST RAALs, SC RAAL) on order. From reading all the reviews I'm pretty certain that the STs will be great speakers but there's not much written about the Surrounds.

BTW, since I placed my order I've developed a compulsive disorder of checking the Project Tracking system at least 20 times a day. Do you veterans know of a remedy? wink.gif
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I thought I was the only one checking all the time, I'm 11 days into my order it feels like 11 yrs.
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