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post #8251 of 8696
3/1/13 at 8:49am
Yep that was me who purchased them. Sorry that I stole them from others. But they sound great in my dedicated theater room. I was think i would need a sub but their is no need for one. These Salks have more bass then I expected. Which is a good thing. I listened to some classic jazz Weather Report -Heavy Weather and Led Zeppelin IV . AWSOME ON BOTH.

I will be selling the surrounds look for them this wekend. I am thinking if I want to hold on to the Center or sell it as well. The center is a dome tweeter not "RT".

Sean
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post #8252 of 8696
3/1/13 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Didn't you just buy those? Why are you selling them?

Yeah I did. I feel I need to stop this madness a bit.. B/C after you upgrade your speakers you want to upgrade everything else from cd player with the best dacs to amp to additional subs then a better preamp. My daughter is going to college next year and it is always good to have some extra funds for emergencies. The back ot the speakers are an open baffle or you can can have them closed with the wooden black grilles Jim had sent me.

Sorry for the small rant Good luck on your journey
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post #8253 of 8696
3/1/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by aasen7 View Post

Yeah I did. I feel I need to stop this madness a bit.. B/C after you upgrade your speakers you want to upgrade everything else from cd player with the best dacs to amp to additional subs then a better preamp. My daughter is going to college next year and it is always good to have some extra funds for emergencies. The back ot the speakers are an open baffle or you can can have them closed with the wooden black grilles Jim had sent me.

I actually don't find myself in that boat. The only major players I've found in sound quality are amp (have enough), speakers, room, and source (recorded material, not playback device (in the digital world: playback device is more important with analog sources like records)).

So I've been through *lots* of speakers, and lots of room arrangements, and I scour the internets for good source music; but I'm running used SACD players and AVRs as preamps/DACs for (often) ProAmps. (and yes: I've listened to the same speakers with the whole chain upgraded.

Even if there is a difference (which I honestly don't hear) with the rest of that equipment, it's less than the improvement spending that money on better mains, more subs, better room treatment, and more surround accomplishes. (IME).
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post #8254 of 8696
3/1/13 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

It was gone in a blink... Only $2650 for full 5.0 ST.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-salk-songtower-w-ribbon-tweeter-songcenter-and-songsurround-i-s-2013-02-18-speakers-77382-spring-tx

Nice
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post #8255 of 8696
3/1/13 at 12:11pm
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I actually don't find myself in that boat. The only major players I've found in sound quality are amp (have enough), speakers, room, and source (recorded material, not playback device (in the digital world: playback device is more important with analog sources like records)).

So I've been through *lots* of speakers, and lots of room arrangements, and I scour the internets for good source music; but I'm running used SACD players and AVRs as preamps/DACs for (often) ProAmps. (and yes: I've listened to the same speakers with the whole chain upgraded.

Even if there is a difference (which I honestly don't hear) with the rest of that equipment, it's less than the improvement spending that money on better mains, more subs, better room treatment, and more surround accomplishes. (IME).

spending that money on better mains, more subs, better room treatment, and more surround accomplishes.


I have bought so much gear in the last 2 yrs and have to agree 100% if you dont have decent speakers and room treatments youll never get there

I have to do tretments next .... My surrounds came today Awesome Im happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbO2arzffI
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post #8256 of 8696
3/2/13 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by aasen7 View Post

Yeah I did. I feel I need to stop this madness a bit.. B/C after you upgrade your speakers you want to upgrade everything else from cd player with the best dacs to amp to additional subs then a better preamp. My daughter is going to college next year and it is always good to have some extra funds for emergencies. The back ot the speakers are an open baffle or you can can have them closed with the wooden black grilles Jim had sent me.

Sorry for the small rant Good luck on your journey

My journey is over, at least until I can save up for the SS8's, but thank you good sir.

I completely understand what you said about wanting to upgrade everything else and it becoming too expensive. You need to do what you need to do. Best wishes to you!
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post #8257 of 8696
3/2/13 at 3:45pm
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By the way folks, for those trying to call Jim this past week, read this (he posted it over on Audio Circle):

"I took my phone to the Sprint Store where I purchased it. A gentleman working there identified a problem. "Your 'domestic calling' setting was turned off," he said, "So your phone is searching for international cell towers."

"There aren't any international towers around here," I said. To which he replied, "Of course not. That is why you are not receiving incoming calls."

He turned on the domestic calling setting and called my phone. Naturally it did not ring. So he sent me to another cell phone store staffed by a technician who might possibly be able to sort out the problem.

When I arrived there, a young gentleman said he would look at it but that it would take him about an hour. So I went back to the shop and returned later.

When I returned, he indicated that he was able to get it working again. I asked him if he had to do a factory re-set on the phone. He said no, that was not necessary. Turns out it was just one of those weird, one-of-a-kind of things. My phone could locate the network and I could call out for some reason, but some networking code was not set right so the network could not find my phone in order to transfer calls to it.

"You should have been here when I fixed it," he said. "It was dinging like crazy for about a half hour while it was downloading all the voice-mail messages that were backed up."

So my phone is back in business. Which is both good and bad. Its nice to have it working again, but I will be spending the week-end wading through and answering voice-mail messages.

All's well that ends well, I guess...although it sure was nice and peaceful this past week."
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post #8258 of 8696
3/2/13 at 4:49pm
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All's well that ends well, I guess...although it sure was nice and peaceful this past week."

Wow. Sounds like someone took really extreme measures to get their speakers moving through the queue more quickly.
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post #8259 of 8696
3/2/13 at 5:24pm
I can tell a difference between amps and players. Some warmer sounding, some more detailed. I think the most important thing to have when listening to music ( to have the illusion the musicians are with you in the room ) besides the speakers, is the right room. I need more money to create the perfect music chamber. Will take donations. biggrin.gif LOL The drinks are starting to flow seize the day or night
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post #8260 of 8696
3/3/13 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

By the way folks, for those trying to call Jim this past week, read this (he posted it over on Audio Circle):

"I took my phone to the Sprint Store where I purchased it. A gentleman working there identified a problem. "Your 'domestic calling' setting was turned off," he said, "So your phone is searching for international cell towers."

"There aren't any international towers around here," I said. To which he replied, "Of course not. That is why you are not receiving incoming calls."

He turned on the domestic calling setting and called my phone. Naturally it did not ring. So he sent me to another cell phone store staffed by a technician who might possibly be able to sort out the problem.

When I arrived there, a young gentleman said he would look at it but that it would take him about an hour. So I went back to the shop and returned later.

When I returned, he indicated that he was able to get it working again. I asked him if he had to do a factory re-set on the phone. He said no, that was not necessary. Turns out it was just one of those weird, one-of-a-kind of things. My phone could locate the network and I could call out for some reason, but some networking code was not set right so the network could not find my phone in order to transfer calls to it.

"You should have been here when I fixed it," he said. "It was dinging like crazy for about a half hour while it was downloading all the voice-mail messages that were backed up."

So my phone is back in business. Which is both good and bad. Its nice to have it working again, but I will be spending the week-end wading through and answering voice-mail messages.

All's well that ends well, I guess...although it sure was nice and peaceful this past week."

That would definitely explain why i hadn't heard back even after i left a message. Gonna have to give Jim some time to get back to me
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post #8261 of 8696
3/3/13 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

There's a significant difference in sensitivity--around 2.5 dB, prhaps a smidge less. That would require almost twice the amplifier power to driver the Scan to the same level as the Seas. I'm not sure what you mean by "break up," but the Seas will bottom out sooner than the Scan. The Scan has a linear cone excursion of 9 mm in one directioin. The Seas is only 4 mm in one direction. I can't recommend one over the other for pure fidelity at moderate drive levels. That requires a very carefully controlled test, and I've only been able to construct one such test that I placed any confidence in. When we were developing the SoundScape series, we tried out a number of midranges, and came down to the Accuton and an equally expensive Skaaning midwoofer with a very different cone material (ceramic vs. polypropylene). I optimized crossovers for each midrange that hit the same target slopes and overall frequency response. I shipped Jim my instant A-B volume-compensated switching amps and flew up to Michigan to listen with a bunch of other audio nuts to identical pairs of SS10's except for the midrange. It really didn't take us very long to decided that the Accuton was cleaner and more transparent than the Skaaning. Without a parallel test for the Illuminator vs. the Seas Excel, I really wouldn't venture a guess.

Hi Dennis,

Do you know which Illuminator is in the new monitor? Here's the specs I found:
15WU/4741T00: 85.9 dB
15WU/8741T00: 83.4 dB
18WU/4741T00: 87.1 dB
18WU/8741T00: 85.4 dB

Jim seemed to allude to 86 dB...

Thanks!
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post #8262 of 8696
3/4/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by yyz67 View Post

Hi Dennis,

Do you know which Illuminator is in the new monitor? Here's the specs I found:
15WU/4741T00: 85.9 dB
15WU/8741T00: 83.4 dB
18WU/4741T00: 87.1 dB
18WU/8741T00: 85.4 dB

Jim seemed to allude to 86 dB...

Thanks!

It's the 5" 8741 The listed sensitivity is very conservative (which is most unusual in this game). I would estimate it at more like 84.5 - 85.0 dB. But this is not a sensitive woofer by any means.
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post #8263 of 8696
3/5/13 at 2:20am
Are there any owners in the NYC area with Veracity series speakers or Philharmonics or Philharmonitors that are willing to demo? smile.gif

I have heard Song Towers with the LCY tweeter for an hour or two and also the HT2-TL for a short while, but I couldn't get a real good feel for the sound (low volume during whole demo with unfamiliar songs). I've been wanting to jump on the Salk/Phil bandwagon as many previous Paradigm owners have, but am hesitant to do so without a good listen. I currently have Paradigm Signatures and am looking to upgrade. Spoke to Dennis via PM, but I just couldn't pull the trigger without a good listen. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help somehow....
Edited by dannybenz - 3/5/13 at 2:33am
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post #8264 of 8696
3/5/13 at 5:47am
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Are there any owners in the NYC area with Veracity series speakers or Philharmonics or Philharmonitors that are willing to demo? smile.gif

I have heard Song Towers with the LCY tweeter for an hour or two and also the HT2-TL for a short while, but I couldn't get a real good feel for the sound (low volume during whole demo with unfamiliar songs). I've been wanting to jump on the Salk/Phil bandwagon as many previous Paradigm owners have, but am hesitant to do so without a good listen. I currently have Paradigm Signatures and am looking to upgrade. Spoke to Dennis via PM, but I just couldn't pull the trigger without a good listen. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help somehow....

Start a new thread here with your request and more people will see it:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=82
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post #8265 of 8696
3/6/13 at 1:43pm
I am about to place an order for a 5.1 home theater system consisting of Salk speakers, including Surround IIs for the rear channels. Any recommendations for speaker stands that work well with the Salks?
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post #8266 of 8696
3/6/13 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by rapper58 View Post

I am about to place an order for a 5.1 home theater system consisting of Salk speakers, including Surround IIs for the rear channels. Any recommendations for speaker stands that work well with the Salks?

Steel Series or Ultimate Series depending on what you want to spend these have always worked great for me

http://www.sanus.com/ap/en/products/speaker-foundations/


I picked these up for the surrounds costed 100.00 from vanns

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post #8267 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:07pm
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I am about to place an order for a 5.1 home theater system consisting of Salk speakers, including Surround IIs for the rear channels. Any recommendations for speaker stands that work well with the Salks?
I wasn't able to find anything that fit what I was looking for--everything seemed cheap and/or overpriced--so I had Jim built some for me. The base matches the plinths on my SongTowers and the center post is hollow for cable management. They're a bit expensive but absolutely perfect for my purpose. MDF painted a black semi-gloss. So keep that in mind if you can't find anything.
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post #8268 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:10pm
Jim mentioned to me that he could custom-build a pair of speaker stands for me, but he warned me that it would be cheaper for me to purchase from a higher volume manufacturer.

Sanus could be a possibility, but I'll probably look around some more.
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post #8269 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:12pm
After talking to Jim a bit via email about the ST RTs and the HT-1s, it seems like the SC STs would be any excellent "compromise" to splurge on if i go in the Salk direction. Gonna have to wait till after axpona this weekend for Jim to see if anyone nearby has a pair that would be willing to let me come demo them.

I was a bit worried about something dennis has said on Audio Circle though, about the SC STs not being able to handle as much power as the regular ones. I listen mostly to metal, though i don't think i listen all that loud, Jim told me i more than likely wouldnt have a problem.
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Jim mentioned to me that he could custom-build a pair of speaker stands for me, but he warned me that it would be cheaper for me to purchase from a higher volume manufacturer.

Sanus could be a possibility, but I'll probably look around some more.

Maybe its cause i dont have a significant other to please...but i use cinder blocks for speaker stands alot. They have a rugged industrial look i like, and are very innert making good stands biggrin.gif
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post #8270 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by rapper58 View Post

Jim mentioned to me that he could custom-build a pair of speaker stands for me, but he warned me that it would be cheaper for me to purchase from a higher volume manufacturer.

Sanus could be a possibility, but I'll probably look around some more.
You could also find a woodworker/cabinet maker local to you and see what they would charge.

I have had two pairs of custom stands. The killer was in the shipping.
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post #8271 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:32pm
Sanus stands are worth what you pay for them thats about it but they work , you could just build your own if you wanted to put the time into that project .

I just have the surrounds in the front breaking them in till my center shows up then they get put into the corner next to a black couch . I wouldnt of used them
in the front .
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post #8272 of 8696
3/6/13 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by rapper58 View Post

Jim mentioned to me that he could custom-build a pair of speaker stands for me, but he warned me that it would be cheaper for me to purchase from a higher volume manufacturer.
He said the same to me. I was waiting on a second sub anyway so I went ahead with the order. They're the best stands I've ever seen. But they're not magic. I'm sure you could get a local carpenter to build something similar.
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post #8273 of 8696
3/7/13 at 1:26pm
My project status hasn't moved in 2 weeks its at applied veneer. It's been 30 days so far, got along way to go is this normal?
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post #8274 of 8696
3/7/13 at 1:30pm
There are quite a few coats of finish after the veneer is applied. Odds are they just forgot to bump it along. Something similar happened to me on my last order so I just emailed Jim and the project magically advanced several steps overnight.smile.gif
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post #8275 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:08pm
I was going to email him but I didnt want to bother him.
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post #8276 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:16pm
If I owned a company and something wasn't working I'd want to know about it and I'm not nearly as nice a guy as Jim Salk. He's keen on keeping his customers happy so I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
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post #8277 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:41pm
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My project status hasn't moved in 2 weeks its at applied veneer. It's been 30 days so far, got along way to go is this normal?

It was for mine.
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post #8278 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:52pm
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My project status hasn't moved in 2 weeks its at applied veneer. It's been 30 days so far, got along way to go is this normal?


Mine was stuck on sealer session 4 for a month and just moved today to final coat , Im pretty sure its just Jim and his helper with a ton of orders . Just keep telling yourself it will be worth it in the end , I smile everytime I listen to my towers .

Oh yeah checking progress every hour dont help I tried that myself
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post #8279 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:53pm
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I was going to email him but I didnt want to bother him.


Email him and tell him you think his progress meter is broke eek.gif
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post #8280 of 8696
3/7/13 at 2:53pm
How long did it take to complete your speakers?
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