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post #8431 of 9127
DRC is engaged when using a phantom center automatically on most receivers as per the Dolby Specification (even if DRC is not displayed on the receiver LCD).
post #8432 of 9127
Well, if you're not in the sweet spot, and you want to be in the sweet spot, you have limited choices: move your seating, or move your system, or maybe a little of both. Either way, unless your listening position is exactly between the speakers, you won't get the phantom images.

Actually, there are some other things you can do involving the level and distance settings in the receiver, but you should be aware that they would screw up the calibration for the other seats. This will all be trial and error, but you could raise the level of either the left or right speaker a dB or two. Then lengthen the distance setting of that same speaker a little bit. This will cause the receiver to think that speaker is further away, and it will fire before the other speaker. It will arrive earlier and the "precedence effect" will pull the image to that side. You'll have to play around to find the optimal setting to get the image centered over one of the seats. And remember, it will screw up the other seats.

Craig
post #8433 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Del Cosmos View Post

DRC is engaged when using a phantom center automatically on most receivers as per the Dolby Specification (even if DRC is not displayed on the receiver LCD).
It's a different level of DRC than "Night Mode." It is used only to ensure there are no "digital overs" in the L/R signals when the C signal is added to them. It is generally no more than 3 dB of compensation and it is *only* applied at the limits of the signal.

Craig
post #8434 of 9127
It's still applied though... something to consider for purists.
post #8435 of 9127
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Well, if you're not in the sweet spot, and you want to be in the sweet spot, you have limited choices: move your seating, or move your system, or maybe a little of both. Either way, unless your listening position is exactly between the speakers, you won't get the phantom images.

Actually, there are some other things you can do involving the level and distance settings in the receiver, but you should be aware that they would screw up the calibration for the other seats. This will all be trial and error, but you could raise the level of either the left or right speaker a dB or two. Then lengthen the distance setting of that same speaker a little bit. This will cause the receiver to think that speaker is further away, and it will fire before the other speaker. It will arrive earlier and the "precedence effect" will pull the image to that side. You'll have to play around to find the optimal setting to get the image centered over one of the seats. And remember, it will screw up the other seats.

Craig

I guess if I want it correct I need to move some furniture
post #8436 of 9127
post #8437 of 9127
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Originally Posted by earthbound View Post

More Salk talk from AXPONA 2013:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/axpona-2013-part-4/?page=2
I suppose any press is good press.
post #8438 of 9127
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I guess if I want it correct I need to move some furniture

All of my furniture and equipment is now on ebay. I never knew how terribly wrong it all was these many years, and I sincerely thank all of those who have helped me see the light.

rolleyes.gif
post #8439 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

All of my furniture and equipment is now on ebay. I never knew how terribly wrong it all was these many years, and I sincerely thank all of those who have helped me see the light.

rolleyes.gif

Are you going with 11.1 all of the same speakers? You should probably use the same exact speakers as your furniture as well for symmetry and balance.
post #8440 of 9127
My wife is choosing upholstery, it's my job to ensure that all tweeters are perfectly aligned. Not quite sure what to do with our display, I'm guessing just hoist it way up in the air, or drill a big hole in the middle of it. biggrin.gif
post #8441 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

My wife is choosing upholstery, it's my job to ensure that all tweeters are perfectly aligned. Not quite sure what to do with our display, I'm guessing just hoist it way up in the air, or drill a big hole in the middle of it. biggrin.gif

Why not simply use another one of the exact same speakers as a display? Same height and all.
post #8442 of 9127
It seems like a back handed compliment for the SS...I think? Then he sort of implied he was not impressed with the ST by ignoring...but ah well.

"Big, powerful sound in a suboptimal setup, and on balance, it was really quite good."
post #8443 of 9127
Just wanted to thank all you guys for the help a couple weeks ago, i ended up going with the Evolution Acoustics MMMicroOnes and they came in yesterday. Sound pretty amazing
post #8444 of 9127
I have a question, I have a pair of STs. We are getting ready to move and will finally have a basement that I can build a dedicated HT/Music room in. I have been scanning through most of the build threads and it seems most of them have their speakers set inside an enclosure of some sort. It seems like this would hurt the sound quality? or is there something I am missing. Just curious as to what ST owners do in this situation.

I thought they needed some room in the back to breathe, but most of these are pretty well boxed in.

Or should I be looking at a different set up for HT room?

Frank
post #8445 of 9127
I will also be moving to a house where a dedicated HT will be in the works. I have no intention of hiding my speakers because their beauty adds to a room. And as you said, they sound better in the open. Lastly, I don't believe in altering a room to accommodate technology. But some people like the clean lines acoustically transparent screens offer while others are compelled to accept them by a strong willed significant other. Perhaps if I started from scratch I might just go with some high efficiency ugly black boxes and hide them away but not with my Salks.
post #8446 of 9127
thats what I was thinking also. They are just too pretty to hide.
Since this is the Salk forum, anyone care to share their HT setup with STs?
What do you pair them with for surrounds?
probably will go 7.1 route.

Looking at either another set of Salks for the main room upstairs, or maybe trying the Murphy ones..
post #8447 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

It seems like a back handed compliment for the SS...I think? Then he sort of implied he was not impressed with the ST by ignoring...but ah well.

"Big, powerful sound in a suboptimal setup, and on balance, it was really quite good."
I think he means having 3 speakers sharing a space instead of just 1 isn't ideal. The Absolute Sound's loudspeaker buyer's guide ignores internet direct options and their "Guide to Cables, Power Products, Accessories" has this to say: "There is no easier improvement to an audio system than upgrading from the original equipment power cord." rolleyes.gif That tells me all I need to know about The Absolute Sound.
post #8448 of 9127
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

Since this is the Salk forum, anyone care to share their HT setup with STs?
What do you pair them with for surrounds?
The Surround I works very well for me.
post #8449 of 9127
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

I have a question, I have a pair of STs. We are getting ready to move and will finally have a basement that I can build a dedicated HT/Music room in. I have been scanning through most of the build threads and it seems most of them have their speakers set inside an enclosure of some sort. It seems like this would hurt the sound quality? or is there something I am missing. Just curious as to what ST owners do in this situation.

I thought they needed some room in the back to breathe, but most of these are pretty well boxed in.

Two problems:

1) The ST is a MWTL (mass-weighted transmission line), which means it has an opening on it. With the default ST, that opening is on the back. There needs to be some room around that opening for air to move or else you've added mass (up to creating a closed speaker if completely blocked) and that will adversely affect sound. The need for space seems a bit less than with a similarly ported enclosure. Some ST's have this opening on their front, in which case this is not an issue.

2) enclosing your speaker alters the baffle. You will likely introduce a SPL rise starting at the baffle step point and continuing down to the point of the new actual baffle. This could be corrected with an EQ (Audessy / etc. may catch it; I don't know)
post #8450 of 9127
You mean MLTL. Mass Loaded Transmission Line. The ST is a QWT-TL Quarter Wave Tube Transmission Line.
post #8451 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

You mean MLTL. Mass Loaded Transmission Line. The ST is a QWT-TL Quarter Wave Tube Transmission Line.
1) Probably, yes and 2) Are the two exclusive? I thought a TL that was not open ended (that is to say, the opening was something other than the full size of the TL cross-section, was because it was mass-loaded.

Regardless: the issue remains the same. Any speaker with a deliberate hole in it likely needs a path to couple to the open room.
post #8452 of 9127
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

1) Probably, yes and 2) Are the two exclusive? I thought a TL that was not open ended (that is to say, the opening was something other than the full size of the TL cross-section, was because it was mass-loaded.

Regardless: the issue remains the same. Any speaker with a deliberate hole in it likely needs a path to couple to the open room.

Monk's post was a little confusing. The ST is a mass loaded TL, and it's also a simple tube. And yes, it needs to couple to the room.
post #8453 of 9127
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I think he means having 3 speakers sharing a space instead of just 1 isn't ideal. The Absolute Sound's loudspeaker buyer's guide ignores internet direct options and their "Guide to Cables, Power Products, Accessories" has this to say: "There is no easier improvement to an audio system than upgrading from the original equipment power cord." rolleyes.gif That tells me all I need to know about The Absolute Sound.

Yep, they're wolves in sheep's clothing. They act as if they have the consumer's best interests at heart, when the reality is they are shills for the industry, snake oil and all.
post #8454 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Monk's post was a little confusing. The ST is a mass loaded TL, and it's also a simple tube. And yes, it needs to couple to the room.

Dennis, I have been searching several threads and nearly all of them have their speakers built into or behind the screen. I was hoping to use my STs for my upcoming HT but I havent seen any yet..
just curious.

Space wont be an issue, I have lots of room, this will be a corner basement built. w 9 ft ceilings.
Not of course saying I "cant" use them, but it seems HT owners prefer built in.
For me I want this to be a nice HT/Music room.

I was thinking about your speakers for my upstairs living room, do you still make them?
post #8455 of 9127
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

Dennis, I have been searching several threads and nearly all of them have their speakers built into or behind the screen. I was hoping to use my STs for my upcoming HT but I havent seen any yet..
just curious.

Space wont be an issue, I have lots of room, this will be a corner basement built. w 9 ft ceilings.
Not of course saying I "cant" use them, but it seems HT owners prefer built in.
For me I want this to be a nice HT/Music room.

I was thinking about your speakers for my upstairs living room, do you still make them?

Hi. Placing speakers behind an acoustically transparent screen shouldn't impose any constraints depending, of course, on what's behind the screen. You can get the ST's with the TL terminus in the front, but why would anyone want to hide those beautiful Salk cabinets? Jim has never mentioned complete built-ins as a major problem for him. I just think his speakers are going to appeal to people who want them visible. I'm still very much in the speaker biz, although I obviously should improve my marketing efforts if you have to ask. Maybe Jim will allow me one freebie: philharmonicaudio.com
post #8456 of 9127
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

Dennis, I have been searching several threads and nearly all of them have their speakers built into or behind the screen. I was hoping to use my STs for my upcoming HT but I havent seen any yet..
just curious.

Space wont be an issue, I have lots of room, this will be a corner basement built. w 9 ft ceilings.
Not of course saying I "cant" use them, but it seems HT owners prefer built in.
For me I want this to be a nice HT/Music room.

I was thinking about your speakers for my upstairs living room, do you still make them?

I'm really confused by your term "built-in".

Have you looked at the Theater build forum here on AVS?
Most theater rooms I've ever seen. including mine do not have what I would consider built-in speakers unless they're specifically designed for in-wall installation.
They may be behind an AT screen or an AT screen with a stage and a fabric wall but the speakers are still free standing and not built in to anything.

There are probably more theater rooms where the screen is mounted on a wall and the L\C\Rs are in front of the screen.

A lot of guys have retractable screens as well.
post #8457 of 9127
My audio video equipments and speakers are my pride, my treasure. They show to others about my passion and interested. I would never thinking about hidding them.
post #8458 of 9127
By built in I mean they all seem to be set back into the wall. there are a couple that I saw that were free standing. But most all were set back.
I was just curious if any ST owners had a dedicated HT setup since that is what I am planning with the new house and how they went about doing it.
yes I have been reading for the last couple days on HT builds... man there are some killer builds on here!

I certainly dont want to hide them!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1061114/show-me-your-completed-theater

lots of great ideas there.. but I didnt see any STs... frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I'm really confused by your term "built-in".

Have you looked at the Theater build forum here on AVS?
Most theater rooms I've ever seen. including mine do not have what I would consider built-in speakers unless they're specifically designed for in-wall installation.
They may be behind an AT screen or an AT screen with a stage and a fabric wall but the speakers are still free standing and not built in to anything.

There are probably more theater rooms where the screen is mounted on a wall and the L\C\Rs are in front of the screen.

A lot of guys have retractable screens as well.
post #8459 of 9127
Sorry Dennis, I didnt mean any disrepect, its just that i havent been on here for quite awhile and wondering what you were up to. You have been tremendously helpful in the past smile.gif

I see you make a smaller booksshelf speaker... would love to know more about it...

Frank
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Hi. Placing speakers behind an acoustically transparent screen shouldn't impose any constraints depending, of course, on what's behind the screen. You can get the ST's with the TL terminus in the front, but why would anyone want to hide those beautiful Salk cabinets? Jim has never mentioned complete built-ins as a major problem for him. I just think his speakers are going to appeal to people who want them visible. I'm still very much in the speaker biz, although I obviously should improve my marketing efforts if you have to ask. Maybe Jim will allow me one freebie: philharmonicaudio.com
post #8460 of 9127
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

Sorry Dennis, I didnt mean any disrepect, its just that i havent been on here for quite awhile and wondering what you were up to. You have been tremendously helpful in the past smile.gif

I see you make a smaller booksshelf speaker... would love to know more about it...

Frank

No disrespect taken. I don't exactly have a major marketing budget. Like zippo. Anyhow, I won't take up any space on the Salk Forum talking about my speakers. All the details and measurements about the monitors are on my site. http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonicaudio/philpages/monitors.html cheers
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