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post #8521 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Yes, it would be very expensive! The crossovers are different and the cabinet is 2" deeper than the regular SCST. Sorry, that would be expensive if you already have the regular SCST. Its not terribly expensive...

I don't have SCST yet, but am planning on placing my order today.
post #8522 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I didn't have a regular SCST for comparison, but I was certainly impressed with the performance of the W16. It's usually found in small, premium priced monitors (Like the $7,000 Joseph Audio Pulsar), so I wasn't expecting much in the deep bass department. But when I finished the crossover and ran some test tones, it was literally shaking the room at 32 Hz. Lots of reach and power handling. Of course, they cost something between $$$$$$$$$$ and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Good to know, Dennis! The anticipation to get these, is KILLING me!! I'm just glad Jim offered the upgrade or I think I would be bummed if I didn't. I hate buyer's remorse!wink.gif
post #8523 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Ace Deprave View Post

I don't have SCST yet, but am planning on placing my order today.

Good choice, Ace! smile.gif Looks like Jim is going to be busy building SongTowers... Just hurry up on mine, please!tongue.gif
post #8524 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Good to know, Dennis! The anticipation to get these, is KILLING me!! I'm just glad Jim offered the upgrade or I think I would be bummed if I didn't. I hate buyer's remorse!wink.gif

I just got my invoice for the Supercharged Songtowers I am planning to order. I was all set to pay than noticed the w16 upgrade and am now going back and forth on if I should upgrade. Seems like every time I think I am all set a no possibility sparks my interest.
post #8525 of 9127
Can I ask how much extra are the w16's?
post #8526 of 9127
Jdgate- What do you have to lose? Can you give up a couple inches of depth? If so, you will have everything to gain, besides a bit from your wallet!smile.gif

Phil- Price questions would be best answered directly from Jim, himself. It's normally a few hundo more for the W16 drivers...
Edited by Cvetan1 - 4/10/13 at 6:47pm
post #8527 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

Can I ask how much extra are the w16's?

I will leave it up to Jim to answer that question but I will tell you that Cvetan1 is pretty close in price and I will also tell you that Jim has been great to work with. He has probably put up with no less than 8 emails and 5 phone calls from me so far.
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Jdgate- What do you have to lose? Can you give up a couple inches of depth? If so, you will have everything to gain, besides a bit from your wallet!smile.gif

Phil- Price questions would be best answered directly from Jim, himself. It's normally a few hundo more for the W16 drivers...

Well I submitted my deposit for a set of the normal (LOL) Supercharged SongTowers and a Supercharged SongCenter in curly maple, dyed to match my 14ft McClure Shuffleboard table (Solid maple with a chestnut finish.) I thought about upgrading but the money I budgeted for my home theater has already ballooned 20% over my initial plans.....and I still need to get a sub (unless I try to make due with a KEF Kube 2 from my living room for now.) Thank heavens the rest of the basement finishing budget is on track....of course I did factor in all cables, remote system for hidden equipment, and theater seating in to the basement finishing budget, so I may be cheating the budget a bit biggrin.gif
post #8528 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Jdgate View Post

I will leave it up to Jim to answer that question but I will tell you that Cvetan1 is pretty close in price and I will also tell you that Jim has been great to work with. He has probably put up with no less than 8 emails and 5 phone calls from me so far.
Well I submitted my deposit for a set of the normal (LOL) Supercharged SongTowers and a Supercharged SongCenter in curly maple, dyed to match my 14ft McClure Shuffleboard table (Solid maple with a chestnut finish.) I thought about upgrading but the money I budgeted for my home theater has already ballooned 20% over my initial plans.....and I still need to get a sub (unless I try to make due with a KEF Kube 2 from my living room for now.) Thank heavens the rest of the basement finishing budget is on track....of course I did factor in all cables, remote system for hidden equipment, and theater seating in to the basement finishing budget, so I may be cheating the budget a bit biggrin.gif

Hi If this is primarily for HT with a sub, there probably isn't any reason to pay extra for the W16's. The difference between the W15 and 16 will be below your likely crossover point to the sub.
post #8529 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Hi If this is primarily for HT with a sub, there probably isn't any reason to pay extra for the W16's. The difference between the W15 and 16 will be below your likely crossover point to the sub.

That was also my thinking Dennis. I am probably a 95% HT guy and a 5% music person....... although as Jim told me the first time I called him that can change after you get a good set of speakers. I will say after listening to some Salk speakers for the first time a week ago, I could see the music percentages going up!
post #8530 of 9127
I recently purchased the st w sc, powering them w a denon 791 (I do need to upgrade), I had kef t250 5.1 speaker system, these are wall mounted thin speakers. I have to comment that the combination of these two type of speakers is something. I have one of the st in a corner to get more bass because the kefs have very little bass , recommended at 120 vs 80. If you are considering surrounds, take a look at these kef 305 speakers in combination w your st, I am amazed at the symbiotic relationship they have, one has a deep clear wide disbursement of sound st and the other speaker (kef) has a clear clean detailed sound, complementing where the st might be missing. I do need to give a bit more power to the st, but try these kefs as surrounds.
post #8531 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Jdgate View Post

I am probably a 95% HT guy and a 5% music person....... although as Jim told me the first time I called him that can change after you get a good set of speakers.
He's not kidding. I was at about the same ratio as you before pre-Salk. Now it's closer to 50/50. I didn't used to like having background music but now it's almost always on.
post #8532 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Hi If this is primarily for HT with a sub, there probably isn't any reason to pay extra for the W16's. The difference between the W15 and 16 will be below your likely crossover point to the sub.

Dennis- That was exactly what I was thinking initially. However, from what I gather; it seems that the midrange detail should still be more pronounced with the larger driver, even though they are crossed over. For HT use. even though they are crossed over, I'd rather have the mid drivers doing less work as possible. This also makes them more versatile for the future or even trying to sell them later on. Just my take on the situation. I feel you just can't lose.

Dennis, I guess I'm asking you, why would you not upgrade to the W16 drivers?

Mike
post #8533 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

why would you not upgrade to the W16 drivers?

It will cost more money and if crossed over to a subwoofer it presents no advantage to the W15. Obviously this is my opinion not Dennis'. Just figured i'd chime in.
post #8534 of 9127
I want to see the super charged super charged SongTowers

http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/15wu-4741t00.pdf
post #8535 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I want to see the super charged super charged SongTowers

http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/15wu-4741t00.pdf

With those drivers, i would be curious for the price of the towers. Those illuminators are quiet more expensive then the w18.
post #8536 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I want to see the super charged super charged SongTowers

http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/15wu-4741t00.pdf

So pretty much a floor stand version of the Salk Sound Silk?
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Originally Posted by RicardoJoa View Post

With those drivers, i would be curious for the price of the towers. Those illuminators are quiet more expensive then the w18.

$100 more roughly... Not too bad actually.
If they did decide to make a Salk Sound Silk floor stand version, they would probably price it at $5200, between the HT2-TL and the HT3.
It would essentially be a supercharged HT2-TL.
post #8537 of 9127
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Originally Posted by yelnatsch517 View Post

So pretty much a floor stand version of the Salk Sound Silk?
$100 more roughly... Not too bad actually.
If they did decide to make a Salk Sound Silk floor stand version, they would probably price it at $5200, between the HT2-TL and the HT3.
It would essentially be a supercharged HT2-TL.

Those drivers are ridiculous. The amount of linear xmax they have is crazy. Low inductance, great motor, great suspension, good HD. I am uber jealous of any Silk owners.
post #8538 of 9127
Hmmm.... That is VERY interesting! I'm sure Jim has no problems making a nitrous injected SuperCharged Songtower! smile.gif One issue I see, is that the ScanSpeak has a lot lower sensitivity(85db) than the Seas, would be tough to run towers without external amplification. This alone would be a good enough reason to stick with the W16's, for me. I'd love to hear Jim's take on this and know what the cost difference would be...
Edited by Cvetan1 - 4/11/13 at 4:53am
post #8539 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I want to see the super charged super charged SongTowers

http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/15wu-4741t00.pdf

First off, that driver is 4 ohms, so it would not work. You would have to use the 15WU/8741T-00 which is the 8 ohm version.

The XMAX is about the same as the Seas drivers, so power handling would be about the same.

The Illuminator drivers are slightly less sensitive. So you would end up with a speaker in the 86 - 87db sensitivity range.

Without modeling the driver, there is no way to be certain it is a good candidate for a transmission line design. The QTS is borderline for this type of design, so we would have to model it to make certain it would work.

Finally, Illuminator drivers are expensive. So this would add a premium of about $1000 or slightly more to the cost of a pair of Supercharged SongTowers, putting them at about the same price as the Veracity HT2-TL's.

All that said, it would probably be a wonderful speaker should someone want a pair.

- Jim
post #8540 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Dennis- That was exactly what I was thinking initially. However, from what I gather; it seems that the midrange detail should still be more pronounced with the larger driver, even though they are crossed over. For HT use. even though they are crossed over, I'd rather have the mid drivers doing less work as possible. This also makes them more versatile for the future or even trying to sell them later on. Just my take on the situation. I feel you just can't lose.

Dennis, I guess I'm asking you, why would you not upgrade to the W16 drivers?

Mike

My assumption was that either speaker would be run with a sub. In that configuration, the midrange, or at leas the upper midrange, would if anything be a little fuller and more detailed with the W15, since the driver element is smaller and dispersion would therefore be wider and more in line with the tweeter's at the crosssover point.. That's all theory, however, and the difference in any event would be very small. But I can't think of any reason why the W16's midrange would be fuller.
post #8541 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

Can I ask how much extra are the w16's?

I haven't worked up an "official" price yet, but it would be around $300 more than with the W15's.

- Jim
post #8542 of 9127
Thanks for the explanation, Jim! I think I'll stick to the W16's.wink.gif Your time is greatly appreciated...
post #8543 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

My assumption was that either speaker would be run with a sub. In that configuration, the midrange, or at leas the upper midrange, would if anything be a little fuller and more detailed with the W15, since the driver element is smaller and dispersion would therefore be wider and more in line with the tweeter's at the crosssover point.. That's all theory, however, and the difference in any event would be very small. But I can't think of any reason why the W16's midrange would be fuller.

I'm not disagreeing, I was just acquiring. Thank you for the response. I did read somewhere that someone auditioned the regular ST to the HT2-TL, crossed over with subs and noticed quite a difference in the mid-range.
post #8544 of 9127
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Originally Posted by jsalk View Post

The XMAX is about the same as the Seas drivers, so power handling would be about the same.

Huh? The illuminator are good out to 9mm! The excel 15cm is good out to 4, and that's manufacture specified not klippel tested. smile.gif
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Without modeling the driver, there is no way to be certain it is a good candidate for a transmission line design.

I was just speaking in generalities. I wasn't suggesting it had to be in a TL. I just want someone to ask for an MTM Illuminator 5" build. smile.gif
post #8545 of 9127
I'm excited my speakers are ready.
post #8546 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Monkish54 View Post

I just want someone to ask for an MTM Illuminator 5" build. smile.gif

Not an Illuminator MTM, but the second project from now (some day when finances say it is a project and not a dream) that I plan to ask Jim (and Dennis) to work on looks like it'll be a ScanSpeak project right now; just using the Revelator 7" for a 3-way bookshelf (sort of a poor man's SS M7) with matching W-T/M-W as part of a 5.0 for HT and m-ch.

The next project is going to be a small sub to go with the WOW1s and replace the MiniVee I have there now.

Ahhhhh, dreaming is fun smile.gif

O be kind to me lottery gods redface.gif
Edited by rick240 - 4/13/13 at 9:48am
post #8547 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Pat315 View Post

I'm excited my speakers are ready.

Alright, good for you!

My speakers shipped last Friday and have made it as far as California. One more hop across the ocean and they should be here Tues (was supposed to be tomorrow but I think the Midwest storms set them back). mad.gif

Now it's FEDEX Tracking that is feeling the wrath of my browser's refresh button. tongue.gif
post #8548 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Good choice, Ace! smile.gif Looks like Jim is going to be busy building SongTowers... Just hurry up on mine, please!tongue.gif

The order has been placed! Supercharged Songtowers with the W16 upgrade, and a Supercharged Song Center.

Now the waiting game begins. biggrin.gif
post #8549 of 9127
Congrats!! Which finish did you choose?

I'm also going to get a center as well, I just need to do some measurements for my cabinet, and see what Jim can come up with. I'm just not at home at the moment.
post #8550 of 9127
I chose something that I think is unique. I'm going with natural curly maple for the top, sides, and rear, with an espresso dyed walnut front baffle.
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