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post #8701 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Jdgate View Post

I am not familiar with UMC-200 substitutes at the price range of the UMC-200. Frankly given Emotiva history with their delayed XMC-1 (for over a year) the problems they have had with their pre/pro's basically being released in a beta state I would stear clear. I have heard better things about their amps though. Why not get an AVR that has the pre/pro functions you want (audyssey etc.) and get an external amp to run with it. You could still hit your $1200 range doing that. Let the AVR power the surrounds and get a nice 3 channel amp for the LCR.

My total budget is actually about $2,000, and I'd planned to buy an XPA-5 to power the 5 speakers at $899, which leaves me about $1,200 for processing. I suppose if I went with an XPA-3 to power my LCR, that's a good thought as it frees up additional cash for processing. I could then buy a nice AVR that will handle all switching (assuming it has preouts for the XPA-3) and get the best of both worlds. Hmm... You've definitely got me thinking now.
post #8702 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I suppose this isn't the right thread, but are any other Salk owners familiar with UMC-200 substitutes? I'm curious of any competitors in a similar (or higher) price point for surround sound, HDMI switching, and other processing duties? I'd like to look at items up to $1,200.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473344/marantz-av7005-and-emotiva-xpa-5

I also saw a Onkyo PR-SC5508 for 1000.00 which is also a deal

Also the Denon 4520 is real nice and you can use it and add an amp later around 1700 New
post #8703 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

My total budget is actually about $2,000, and I'd planned to buy an XPA-5 to power the 5 speakers at $899, which leaves me about $1,200 for processing. I suppose if I went with an XPA-3 to power my LCR, that's a good thought as it frees up additional cash for processing. I could then buy a nice AVR that will handle all switching (assuming it has preouts for the XPA-3) and get the best of both worlds. Hmm... You've definitely got me thinking now.
I would prefer the XPA-5 over the XPA-3 for the bigger power supply, more for front three as surrounds not likely to be a big pull. Wait for a holiday sale (July?) or go with 4250 as noted by a1usedcomp.
post #8704 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

My total budget is actually about $2,000, and I'd planned to buy an XPA-5 to power the 5 speakers at $899, which leaves me about $1,200 for processing. I suppose if I went with an XPA-3 to power my LCR, that's a good thought as it frees up additional cash for processing. I could then buy a nice AVR that will handle all switching (assuming it has preouts for the XPA-3) and get the best of both worlds. Hmm... You've definitely got me thinking now.

For 5.1 the new Denon X4000 has preouts as well as the latest Audyssey XT32. its 1295. The advantage for the 4520 is I believe you can cut off the amp section, you can't on the X4000. Just an effiecieny issue.
post #8705 of 9127
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

For 5.1 the new Denon X4000 has preouts as well as the latest Audyssey XT32. its 1295. The advantage for the 4520 is I believe you can cut off the amp section, you can't on the X4000. Just an effiecieny issue.

Actually, the amps on the 4520ci can't be turned off, if they are not in use they will just sit idling. Reportedly they consume very little electricity in this state but I haven't seen any actual numbers.

On topic, my 4520ci is driving my SongCenter and SongSurrounds. The front SongTowers are being driven by my D-Sonic M2-800S stereo amp.
post #8706 of 9127
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

For 5.1 the new Denon X4000 has preouts as well as the latest Audyssey XT32. its 1295. The advantage for the 4520 is I believe you can cut off the amp section, you can't on the X4000. Just an effiecieny issue.

Anyone know of a "compare" feature to put the X4000 and 4520 side by side? It's not immediately clear to me on the Denon site if there is one.
post #8707 of 9127
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Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

Anyone know of a "compare" feature to put the X4000 and 4520 side by side? It's not immediately clear to me on the Denon site if there is one.

Bottom of this post.
post #8708 of 9127
Todd wanted a pair of Supercharged SongTowers with the Seas W16's rather than the W15's. We had had a few inquiries about this possibility in the past year, but I dismissed them because it seemed we were developing too many speakers that were too similar. But because that is what Todd wanted, that's what we did.

As for finish, he wanted us to find some nice quilted maple and do our double-dye finish in a deep rose-red. So we did that too.

Here are the results...



And a close-up...



So, how do they sound? Well, first you have to realize that these are the same width and depth as a pair of standard SongTowers. As for height, they are 2" shorter. So the cabinets are actually smaller than SongTowers. So looking at them, you would not expect them to put out the kind of bass reminiscent of the Veracity HT2-TL's.

When we first fired them up, I was quite amazed by the wound quality. They sounded very smooth top to bottom and the bass extension exceeded my expectations. Since we had a pair of HT2-TL's here, we hooked them up and used our ABX switch to switch back and forth. All I can say is that I was unable to detect any difference in the quality of the bass.

Based on what I heard so far, I think this design is a real winner. But I have some problems.

First, I don't know what to call them. Performance-wise, they are closer to the HT2-TL's than the Supercharged SongTowers. And the sound quality is consistent with what one would expect from a Veracity-series speaker.

The second issue is cost. The W16's actually cost more than the W18's in the HT2-TL's. So this model will be priced closer to the HT2-TL's than the Supercharged SongTowers.

But those are very pleasant issues to have to deal with. (Any feedback in either area is welcomed.)

We are currently working on a few more pairs of these and will be shipping another pair tomorrow. So we should get some owner feedback soon.

Until then, happy listening Todd!

- Jim
post #8709 of 9127
Wow! Those are absolutely stunning. Good to hear on the performance, confirms my purchase even more. By any chance are mine shipping tomorrow? wink.gif Actually, I'm still out and might have you hold my shipment until mid-June. I'll let you know further, when I get more info...
post #8710 of 9127
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Originally Posted by jsalk View Post

And a close-up...




First, I don't know what to call them. Performance-wise, they are closer to the HT2-TL's than the Supercharged SongTowers. And the sound quality is consistent with what one would expect from a Veracity-series speaker.

The second issue is cost. The W16's actually cost more than the W18's in the HT2-TL's. So this model will be priced closer to the HT2-TL's than the Supercharged SongTowers.

But those are very pleasant issues to have to deal with. (Any feedback in either area is welcomed.)

- Jim

How about,

Veracity Velociraptor Towers - small but mighty…. ok, I like it, but it may not fit the Salk image
post #8711 of 9127
Jim-

How about up them to the Veracity line and call them JR/HT2-TL?
post #8712 of 9127
I think this should be a contest , the one that picks the best name wins a pair eek.gif
post #8713 of 9127
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I think this should be a contest , the one that picks the best name wins a pair eek.gif

I concur! And, I win!!tongue.gif

"There is nothing "junior" about the sound, but they are junior on the size" If the full size HT2-TL's are hindering your size constraints or WAF, the Jr's are for you!
Edited by Cvetan1 - 5/23/13 at 12:21pm
post #8714 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Good post, D54Smith. The OP was updated yesterday with a link to the review. I'm a disclosed Salk fan boy, so you probably won't be able to include my comments as a "non-fan boy reaction."smile.gif

As to the "negative comments," the resale value comment and exotic veneer comment is simple incorrect. Perhaps the reviewer failed to put in the research time... If you look at past sales on audiogon and Audio Circle you'll see Salk speakers hold their value better than most (even B&W). And I don't know about you guys, but I cannot name one other company that will offer any veneer you're willing to select and pay for, not to mention any driver combination and cabinet shape you want (in essence building you any speaker you desire).


Overall a good review, albeit lacking in detail and specifics. He scored the SS10's a 5 out of 5 for performance, so 'nuff said.

Thanks for your comments… So, how loud were you trying to go when you heard clipping on the 200Watt amp? While, I like loud, some of the GTG SPL levels for theater are a bit…. wild?

I think on one level the on-line selling ability of the Salk Speakers would contradict his statement.. but I am sure that if I brought in a pair of Salk speakers for trade to my local B&M store… they wouldn't do as well as a B&W, especially if the B&M is a B&W dealer. I guess selling a used pair would be best served by taking the same approach as the new market…in this case "on-line".
post #8715 of 9127
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by D54Smith View Post

Thanks for your comments… So, how loud were you trying to go when you heard clipping on the 200Watt amp? While, I like loud, some of the GTG SPL levels for theater are a bit…. wild?

I think on one level the on-line selling ability of the Salk Speakers would contradict his statement.. but I am sure that if I brought in a pair of Salk speakers for trade to my local B&M store… they wouldn't do as well as a B&W, especially if the B&M is a B&W dealer. I guess selling a used pair would be best served by taking the same approach as the new market…in this case "on-line".

I totally agree with you about the resale or trade-in value of Salk's anywhere but online. Only someone who actually knows who Salk Sound is able to interpret and appreciate their high percentage resale value. 10 years ago I wouldn't have given $100 for a pair of Salks because I didn't know who they were. It's all about what you know. smile.gif

Concerning the GTG, we were definitely listening too loud for my tastes. We used pink noise to level match each speaker to 80dB, but I found out that the pink noise tone we used wasn't a standard tone, so it was actually more like 83dB in reality. If you account for transients and large dynamic swings, we were hitting 96dB during peaks, which is just too loud for me, but wasn't loud enough for some of the attendees. With that said, the troubles were presenting themselves at lower levels as well, especially during "busy" and dynamic passages. We had heard issues on other speakers at the GTG and just wrote it off as the volume being too loud for those speakers. But when the SS10's played (the most revealing speaker at the event) the clipping, which we initially mistook for a bad midrange driver, was very apparent. The amps used were monoblocks, and only the left amplifier was exhibiting the issue; even during the 96dB peaks the right amp held strong and the right speakers showed no abnormal strain. It was later discovered that the left monoblock was faulty, and it has since been sent in twice for repair. Prior to this GTG no one ever noticed an issue with the monoblock, perhaps because we didn't listen quite that loud or because we never used a lower impedance/sensitivity design speaker. The SS10's will definitely reveal any weakness upstream. smile.gif
post #8716 of 9127
Thread Starter 
Concerning the new revision of SongTower's, I like Veracity HT2-TL Jr or HT2-TL V6 (like a V6 engine). If the sound quality was virtually identical to the standard HT2-TL's then I think these speakers deserve a place in the Veracity line rather than the "Song" line.

I really love that veneer and dye, by the way. I wonder how that would look with the fireburst option added to it.
post #8717 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post


I really love that veneer and dye, by the way. I wonder how that would look with the fireburst option added to it.

I don't know why, but when you guys start talking about dyes and veneers on a Salk speaker, my mouth starts to water… maybe I'm hungry.
post #8718 of 9127
Salk won me over with the sound... that they are works of art is such icing on the cake... hrm, now I am hungry.
post #8719 of 9127
I had to send my center back to Jim because the finish felt rough and not smooth like the towers " Bamboo " Come to find out this is not the finish its the bamboo itself its called telegraphing . From what I as told even if its sanded down and refinished the problem will return in a few months . This really leaves me in a awkward position since I would like the finish to match my Towers( smooth ) . I feel that this problem should be noted before a sale so the customer knows upfront that this can happen. Since this problem happened before with a pair of SS12’s done in bamboo , they also had to be refinished and the problem came back a few months later .

Thoughts ?
post #8720 of 9127
Ouch! eek.gif I'm sure Jim will do you right, with whatever decision you choose. I almost went the bamboo route myself...
post #8721 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Ouch! eek.gif I'm sure Jim will do you right, with whatever decision you choose. I almost went the bamboo route myself...
Jim said some Bamboo does this and some does not
post #8722 of 9127
Well, I'd rather have the batch that doesn't do that! wink.gif. I hope he can redo them for you with a good batch, just sucks to wait again.
post #8723 of 9127
A1-

Any news on rectifying the bamboo? Curious what the plan is.
post #8724 of 9127
No news yet but from the last 2 emails I was told even after refinishing the center the problem will come back in a few months. I really don't know what's going on at this time.
Edited by a1usedcomp - 5/25/13 at 6:13am
post #8725 of 9127
Update the center will be refinished and if the problem comes back Jim offered to build a new cabinet this is a great solution and I don't have to be without a center .

Jim also pointed out this is not a “manufacturing defect.” It is simply a function of bamboo . Either way I'm happy with the outcome and customer service .


Thanks Jim
post #8726 of 9127
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Update the center will be refinished and if the problem comes back Jim offered to build a new cabinet this is a great solution and I don't have to be without a center .

Jim also pointed out this is not a “manufacturing defect.” It is simply a function of bamboo . Either way I'm happy with the outcome and customer service .


Thanks Jim

That's great to hear!
post #8727 of 9127
Good to hear!! Customer service at its best!! smile.gif
post #8728 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

Good to hear!! Customer service at its best!! smile.gif

How far along are your speakers now? Mine are at Sealer Session 1. I'm getting very anxious!
post #8729 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Ace Deprave View Post

How far along are your speakers now? Mine are at Sealer Session 1. I'm getting very anxious!

And I also.
post #8730 of 9127
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Originally Posted by Ace Deprave View Post

How far along are your speakers now? Mine are at Sealer Session 1. I'm getting very anxious!

Mine's been stuck in the "final routing" stage for the past month. I'm thinking he hasn't updated my status.
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