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post #241 of 1049
The Emotiva looks like a real bargain.

Have never heard how any of their products sound, though.
post #242 of 1049
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The Cary 11a web page is now available, although apparently not indexed from the main product list.
post #243 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

The Cary 11a web page is now available, although apparently not indexed from the main product list.

That's a shame, only 2 HDMI inputs
post #244 of 1049
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The Sherwood Newcastle pre/pro will be demoed at CEDIA 08 and released in Oct.. The features are not announced as yet.
post #245 of 1049
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The HTGuide SSP-800 tracking thread has been updated.

Notable highlights:
  • PCM1792 on main channels (PCM1796 on surround channels)
  • NSC LME49720 op-amps
  • currently no planned DSD support
  • free field upgrade this year or next to MDS DAE-7D (7103) dual DSP module to support HBR decoders
  • Dolby Volume support with the new DSP module
  • 3 month backlog of preorders
  • July customer availability
post #246 of 1049
Eric,

I just want to thank you for the EXCELLENT thread! I have learned a million and one things from this thread! I desperately need a new "separate" preamp to compliment my Anthem PVA5 as my NAD T163 died on me. The information I have learned here has been invaluable!

Regards,

post #247 of 1049
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Guttboy,

Thanks for the kind words, I am glad this has been helpful. Lots of other AVS posters and other forum members have contributed, I have mostly just collated it all into one thread.
post #248 of 1049
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Emotiva indicates via forum postings in May, they still had not received any Cirrus DSP chips, delaying the UMC-1 release. The release date has been updated to late summer/early fall.
post #249 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

Cirrus Logic posted a press release dated April 17th, indicating the CS49700 was now released in production volumes.

Slight correction, or maybe not so slight: that press release is dated April 17, 2007.

(And, based on the evidence we have, the press release turned out to be highly inaccurate, because there have been long and continuing delays in final release of the CS4970xx family of Audio DSP chips to consumer electronics manufacturers!)
post #250 of 1049
Great thread Eric. Has anyone tried the onkyo and really compared it to an older higher quality processor like the Meridian 568.2 or 861? I am a 100% home theater guy and was wondering how the onkyo in lossless would compare to say a Meridian 861(high bitrate DTS) while watching the same movie in bluray? Also, How many rack spaces is the Onkyo?
post #251 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Sonic icons View Post

Slight correction, or maybe not so slight: that press release is dated April 17, 2007.

Whoah! Thanks for that! I didn't catch the year! I thought it was a new release. I deleted my post.

A year old post announcing volume production, holy cow, talk about being wrong...
post #252 of 1049
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Great thread Eric. Has anyone tried the onkyo and really compared it to an older higher quality processor like the Meridian 568.2 or 861? I am a 100% home theater guy and was wondering how the onkyo in lossless would compare to say a Meridian 861(high bitrate DTS) while watching the same movie in bluray? Also, How many rack spaces is the Onkyo?

Actually, there are a bunch of Onkyo threads running, and I have seen several posts from people who have compared the Meridian and Onkyo. Do a search and you can likely find them. I think the consensus is the HBR codecs are audibly better than a high quality version of the lossy codec like DD or DTS for movies. 2 channel is a different story.
post #253 of 1049
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AVSRichard posted that the AV8003 is not held up on the Cirrus Logic issue.

Hopefully this is good news for something coming out during the summer rather than awaiting fall CEDIA.
post #254 of 1049
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I think the consensus is the HBR codecs are audibly better than a high quality lossless for movies.

Don't want to sidetrack this excellent thread , but this doesn't make sense. An HBR codec simply compresses the lossless version into something smaller. The only way there should be any difference in sound quality would be if there's a sampling freq or bit length difference. I.e., 16/44.1 vs 24/48 for example. ??
post #255 of 1049
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Kevin,

Um, of course I meant lossy not lossless... *sigh. 0 for 2 on the postings. THanks for the catch. I will correct the posting.
post #256 of 1049
In that case, I 100% agree with you.
post #257 of 1049
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The Marantz AV8003 spec sheet and manuals are now posted:

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp

Be aware that the AV8003 appears to have the same restrictions on surround modes & Audyssey EQ with HBR codecs as the SR8002 has - namely that neither surround modes nor Audyssey can be used with HBR sources.
post #258 of 1049
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The Marantz AV8003 spec sheet and manuals are now posted:

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp

Page 37 implies that Audyssey is not operative with Dolby TrueHD or dts-HD. If so, that is very unfortunate.
post #259 of 1049
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The Marantz AV8003 spec sheet and manuals are now posted:

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp

Really nice looking piece of equipment. Is that the same decoder that's used in the Oppo 983? Anyone know the chipset?
post #260 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

The Marantz AV8003 spec sheet and manuals are now posted:

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp

Be aware that the AV8003 appears to have the same restrictions on surround modes & Audyssey EQ with HBR codecs as the SR8002 has - namely that neither surround modes nor Audyssey can be used with HBR sources.

Very interesting. If you just take a quick look at the features and specs pages, you would not notice these limitations.

Appreciate you pointing this out. Please continue this helpful service!

Thanks
Bruce
post #261 of 1049
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The AV8003 feature restrictions are being discussed in the Marantz AV8003 and MM8003 thread. I aimed the link at Kal's post that started the discussion, and goes on for a couple more pages.
post #262 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Page 37 implies that Audyssey is not operative with Dolby TrueHD or dts-HD. If so, that is very unfortunate.

. I had high hopes for that unit.

Since the pre-pro situation is still pretty slim pickings I think I'm going to go with one of the Blu-Ray players with analog outs that are due in the not too distant future. That should tide me over until there are more pre-pro options.
post #263 of 1049
Im looking into the Marantz seperates but noticed that the Classe sp-800 is coming out as well. Its alot more pricey!! , Do you guys think the price of the classe justifies its performance? This will be my first introduction into seperates and i want to be wowed with my new purchase.

Im dissapointed that the Marantz doesnt use Audyssey processing with high def audio playback.
post #264 of 1049
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Im looking into the Marantz seperates but noticed that the Classe sp-800 is coming out as well. Its alot more pricey!! , Do you guys think the price of the classe justifies its performance? This will be my first introduction into seperates and i want to be wowed with my new purchase.

Im dissapointed that the Marantz doesnt use Audyssey processing with high def audio playback.

I find it disappointing that there is no room equalization capability in the Classe pre-pro and I am uncertain if it can decode both kinds of lossless HD audio--somebody correct me here if incorrect. Classe means quality, but for its price, it should have some kind of room equalization and IF it is missing lossless HD audio decoding, that would also be a shame.

OTOH, there is not much else out there other than the Onkyo, Denon AVP (a rumor that no more units will ship to the US until June...), Marantz and now the Classe when it comes to pre-pros that do HDMI 1.3

MikeSp
post #265 of 1049
I think the NAD T175 has some kind of limitation for Audyssey depending on what the resolution of the signal is too.

I *wish* NAD and Marantz would see the benefit of giving the option to downres the signal to then allow Audyssey to be used.
post #266 of 1049
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I am uncertain if it can decode both kinds of lossless HD audio--somebody correct me here if incorrect.

The SSP-800 does not do HD bitstream audio decoding initially - it will be PCM only. There is a promised upgrade to come that will provide HBR decode capability. See post 219 and post #245 above and the related links.
post #267 of 1049
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

The SSP-800 does not do HD bitstream audio decoding initially - it will be PCM only. There is a promised upgrade to come that will provide HBR decode capability. See post 219 and post #245 above and the related links.



And from what i read in the avsforum , They should be equal in sound quality but some people say that the bitsream done by the pre/pro has a slight edge!!! Is that true?

Or would the PCM signals along with this 64 bit TI chip working together create a better experience than a bitsream signal with 32bit chip capabilities
post #268 of 1049
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

They should be equal in sound quality but some people say that the bitsream done by the pre/pro has a slight edge!!! Is that true?

opinions vary on this - sometimes strongly, and I don't want to re-ignite that debate in this thread. There are a number of threads that have discussed this point already, so I would suggest doing some searches in this forum. I think there are pros & cons in both directions.
post #269 of 1049
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

I find it disappointing that there is no room equalization capability in the Classe pre-pro and I am uncertain if it can decode both kinds of lossless HD audio--somebody correct me here if incorrect. Classe means quality, but for its price, it should have some kind of room equalization and IF it is missing lossless HD audio decoding, that would also be a shame.

It is supposed to have a parametric EQ which would require some knowledge and care in its use, as opposed to an autoEQ feature.
post #270 of 1049
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Classe has posted a brochure on the SSP-800 with specs: http://www.classeaudio.com/downloads...00_Leaflet.pdf

Notable specs include:
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SNR:
bypassed analog source: 102 dB
processed analog source: 100 dB
digital source: 105 dB

The brochure includes the statement "Dolby True, DTS-HD Master Audio decoding will be supported after free DSP upgrade"
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