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post #421 of 1049
9/3/08 at 7:39am
Lets hope this new Arcam receievr spawns a new pre-pro!

http://www.arcam.co.uk/downloads/AV600-brochure-web.pdf
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post #422 of 1049
9/3/08 at 5:37pm
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None of Bryston units will work the way that I want an SSP to work. I have 4 dedicated HDMI inputs on my display. I want an SSP with audio only HDMI that has 4 in/4 out. No video processing or switching, just pull the audio off. Oh well... Maybe somebody someday will do this correctly.

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I never heard of any AV product doing what you describe. I understand not wanting the video processing but do you believe that having the processor have to switch your 4 inputs to a single HDMI output will have a negative effect? Perhaps it does, but I just never heard of anybody trying this approach, usually multiple HDMI outputs is so can run the same source to different displays.

I think it will be a rare company that does this, I see the reply mentioned Tact Audio, is it in relation to this feature?

The switching in and of itself is not a negative. But only using one input on the display for multiple sources is. Ideally, you calibrate the source with the input to the display. You can't do that with switching. At best, you can calibrate to BD, for example, and then suffer if satellite/cable, DVD, HD DVD are different.
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post #423 of 1049
9/4/08 at 1:27am
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

The only reason they didn't was because of the lack of HDMI audio which was strange for the time they put the product out to market.

A bit like arcam wiht their avps I guess, their new audio over hdmi capable AVR might change all that though !
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post #424 of 1049
9/4/08 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

A bit like arcam wiht their avps I guess, their new audio over hdmi capable AVR might change all that though !

The Arcam looks a bit weird though - like someone laid a paper shredder on its' side.
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post #425 of 1049
9/4/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

The switching in and of itself is not a negative. But only using one input on the display for multiple sources is. Ideally, you calibrate the source with the input to the display. You can't do that with switching. At best, you can calibrate to BD, for example, and then suffer if satellite/cable, DVD, HD DVD are different.

This is certainly a connundrum.

I would suspect that the Gennum scaler would allow you to calibrate each input for each display, as most high-end external scalers do.
I was using a SP1 and did like the fact I could bypass the video entirely, but, I did have trouble with black-levels between SD and HD sources. Currently using the Denon DN-A7100 so I get multichannel HDMI audio from my Blu-Ray, but, have bypassed most other HDMI direct to my display due to HDCP headaches, and scanrate adjustments.
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post #426 of 1049
9/4/08 at 5:11pm
Looks like Anthem has come through with an upgrade to their D2:

add the following from version one plus

4 additional HDMI in 1 more out (8in/2out)

new VXP9452 video processor

dual core audio DSP engines offers a total of 800 mips to decode all hd audio standards (bitstream support) hdmi 1.3c

supports 7.1


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14591513
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post #427 of 1049
9/5/08 at 8:13am
NAD will have an HD-upgrade in 2/09:

Switzerland and hopefully also for the rest of "old" Europe...

http://www.dynavox.ch/guide0809_d.pdf

Andreas
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post #428 of 1049
9/5/08 at 1:58pm
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Parasound C3 was spotted at CEDIA: http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia...ts_a_new_halo/
Unfortunately no additional details of substance.

More interesting is Chris D's post on HTGuide which shows the XLR based C3, the RCA based HDP 70, and a Parasound AVR - HDR 77. The back panels look extremely similar excepting XLR for the C3 and speaker 5ways for the AVR.

Chris also posted the common details between the platforms in the HTGuide Initial CEDIA '08 report, new Parasound gear thread:
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- 5 inputs, 1 output HDMI 1.3a, Deep Color, xvYCC
- Decodes all audio formats, through HDMI and otherwise, including DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD. (note: I asked about the niche format of Windows Media Video High Def, and this is probably not included)
- Can upscale (and transcode) all video from any source to 1080p over HDMI
- Likely upscales to component video also, unknown resolution
- Can display on-screen display on HDMI
- Automatic room calibration and equalization
- 3 independent audio zones
- new front "portable input" jack
- Pure analog routing options (you can choose to make ANY analog audio source straight pass-through, not just the multichannel inputs!)
- Independent crossover settings for all speakers
- Two pairs extra assignable fixed and variable outputs. (note that these are NOT the fully programmable channels in previous C1/C2 though)
- Assignable outputs can downmix any surround channel input to 2-channel, so you can watch your BD in the theater in surround sound, or leave to the bedroom zone 2 and keep watching it fully downmized to stereo
- Dual powered IR flasher outputs
- Four 12V triggers (2 programmable)
- Two-way RS-232
- Rear special ipod player jack that will be able to stream PCM from the ipod as well as access song/metadata. This will be one of only two known units to have this!
- 192khz audio processing
- Dual Cirrus DSP chips - one decodes the bitstream, the other handles the post-processing
- Faroudja video scalar
- USB input for firmware updates, may possible enable computer customization like HaloControl
- Improved bass management
- multichannel analog inputs jacks are still straight passthrough
- Still unsure whether Parasound will pursue THX certification
- All S-video inputs have been eliminated except 1
- 3 component inputs, 1 output
- Zone 2 has composite video in addition to audio

A shot of just the HDP 70 alone: http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia...e_classic_avp/
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post #429 of 1049
9/5/08 at 2:06pm
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Shots from the CEDIA floor: http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia...ts_an_upgrade/

Front panel in detail: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14591524

Ship date reported as 4Q09.

Guess Anthem is has accepted the HDMI 1.3 & HBR direction after all.
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post #430 of 1049
9/5/08 at 2:11pm
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As reported above, NAD is getting HBR.

The systems to be updated include the M15 Masters' Series, upgraded to the M15 HD ($4499), and the T175 going to the T175 HD.

Edit: And the NAD upgrade commentary from UltimateAVMag.com: http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2...dd_so_be_glad/
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post #431 of 1049
9/5/08 at 2:18pm
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As reported by jayray Anthem will refresh the AVM 50 with HDMI 1.3 and HBR capability. Haven't seen anything official as yet, but this is apparently right from Anthem on the show floor.
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post #432 of 1049
9/5/08 at 5:52pm
A little off topic, but is there an Anthem with all the cool (HDMI) audio stuff (like the new ARC capability), but just bare bones HDMI video switching? Not the D1, but maybe the AVM 50?
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post #433 of 1049
9/5/08 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

A little off topic, but is there an Anthem with all the cool (HDMI) audio stuff (like the new ARC capability), but just bare bones HDMI video switching? Not the D1, but maybe the AVM 50?

The post literally right above yours states that HDMI 1.3 is coming to the AVM 50. Wow...
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post #434 of 1049
9/5/08 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

A little off topic, but is there an Anthem with all the cool (HDMI) audio stuff (like the new ARC capability), but just bare bones HDMI video switching? Not the D1, but maybe the AVM 50?

It is off topic, but... The ARC isn't dependent on the HDMI standard update, and is excluded from the AVM 50 (which incidentally DOES included video processing, HBR, but not ARC.)
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post #435 of 1049
9/6/08 at 5:51am
Parasound C3 was spotted at CEDIA: http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia...ts_a_new_halo/

Any insight on when this will be avaialble to consumers would be greatly appreciated.

Any body have opinions on difference in sound characteristics between the NAD and Parasound products? Particularly the Halo and Master series products. Most everything I have read on both have been glowing remarks.
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post #436 of 1049
9/6/08 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by rudolpht View Post

It is off topic, but... The ARC isn't dependent on the HDMI standard update, and is excluded from the AVM 50 (which incidentally DOES included video processing, HBR, but not ARC.)

ARC is now available on the AVM 50. There is a press release about it on Anthem's site.
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post #437 of 1049
9/6/08 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by bigdwest View Post

Parasound C3 was spotted at CEDIA: http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia...ts_a_new_halo/

Any insight on when this will be avaialble to consumers would be greatly appreciated.

Any body have opinions on difference in sound characteristics between the NAD and Parasound products? Particularly the Halo and Master series products. Most everything I have read on both have been glowing remarks.

end of December/beginning of January.
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post #438 of 1049
9/6/08 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

ARC is now available on the AVM 50. There is a press release about it on Anthem's site.

Wow, after all the declarations by Anthem that there was not enough horsepower in the 50 was a crock?
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post #439 of 1049
9/6/08 at 6:57pm
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I was wondering about Halcro, Lexicon & Meridian at CEDIA... fortunately our roving reporter thebland visited them all and summarizes their positions:
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Well, I spoke with Lexicon, Meridian and Halcro and it seems they all want to avoid HDMI 1.3 and bitstreaming lossless codecs. None has plans for an HDMI 1.3 pre/pro.. All prefer LPCM but Meridian said [quietly] that it'll be along time before an HDMI solution due to its unreliability.

Interesting.

Edit: And UltimateAVMag.com has a shot of the Lexicon display at CEDIA: http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2...ts-hd_ma_logo/

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post #440 of 1049
9/7/08 at 2:38am
Does anyone know if these new processors support DSD and/or the new HDMI CEC rate control? (Sony "HATS" / Pioneer "PQLS") I'm paticularly interested in the Parasound C3.
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post #441 of 1049
9/7/08 at 9:43am
Does any one having in pricing estimates for the Parasound Halo C3?
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post #442 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:11pm
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ADA showed the Cinema Rhapsody Mach IV pre/pro at CEDIA. HDMI 1.3 8I/2O. Release 1Q09.
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post #443 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:23pm
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Integra's next release the DHC-9.9 was at CEDIA. THX Ultra 2. Claimed MSRP of $2000, and apparently now shipping. I will wait to see that report confirmed by actual North American buyers before promoting it to the shipping section.

Also some shots and commentary from UltimateAVmag.com: http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2..._pre-pro_ever/

Here is the press release from Integra on the DHC-9.9: http://www.gspr.com/integra/dhc99.html It confirms the retail price of $2000 and has the magic words "now available from Integra dealers".
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post #444 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

Integra's next release the DHC-9.8 was at CEDIA. MSRP of $2000, and apparently now shipping, although I will wait to see that one confirmed by actual North American buyers before promoting it to the shipping section.

DHC-9.9, I believe.
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post #445 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

DHC-9.9, I believe.

yes, right you are. The Home Theater blog with the photo claims 9.8 but the original press release is 9.9. Thanks, I will edit the posting.

Edit: haha on closer reading the text of the blog says both 9.8 and 9.9 within the same article. oops.
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post #446 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:44pm
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The Halcro-220 was on display at CEDIA.

From all I have read this is a limited upgrade of the SSP-200 mostly to pass 1080p 24 & 60. Halcro has not yet posted it on their web site.

Still no HBR support, and according to thebland as mentioned above, none forthcoming.
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post #447 of 1049
9/7/08 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by bigdwest View Post

Does any one having in pricing estimates for the Parasound Halo C3?

Check out the HTGuide C3 thread: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...092#post418092

Key highlights:
  • Parasound C3 estimated at "under $3,500"
  • Parasound HDP-70 estimated at "under $2500"
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post #448 of 1049
9/7/08 at 7:04pm
NAD M15HD at $4500 - Also has TrueHD and MA, Sigma/Gennum video processing and Audyssey. NAD T175HD will also have similar features to the M15HD.
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post #449 of 1049
9/7/08 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

NAD M15HD at $4500 - Also has TrueHD and MA, Sigma/Gennum video processing and Audyssey. NAD T175HD will also have similar features to the M15HD.

Am I rgiht in saying the M15HD only has unbalanced outputs?!?
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post #450 of 1049
9/7/08 at 11:54pm
Heheheeee... thanks for linking to my Parasound posts, Eric. (yes, those are my own text thoughts and pictures I posted in Club Parasound on HTGuide, I'm not sure why Bradley Bossman/pal1982 would cut and paste like that)

Come check out Club Parasound--got some inside information there from direct discussion with the Parasound fellas. I'll be posting more there as I recouperate from CEDIA:
http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=21
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