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SSP & Pre/Pros that support HDMI Audio MPCM

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Last Update: 5-Jul-2011



Google SSP Spreadsheet is the source for the table. Please feel free to update the "Next Version" tab of the table. I will edit and promote to this posting as it evolves.

Feature Legend:
  • Codec
    • HBR - native High Bit Rate Decoders: Dolby Digital TrueHD, DTS-HD MA (and MPCM)
    • MPCM - multi-channel PCM over HDMI (either 6 or 8 channels) support only
  • HDMI Version
    • HDMI 1.0 is required for MPCM
    • HDMI 1.2 is required for SACD DSD format
    • HDMI 1.3 is required for HBR format
    • HDMI 1.4 is required for 3D Video
  • Video Mode
    • VS - Video Switching - only switches HDMI inputs to output & limited transcoding
    • VP - Video Processing - supports video processing features beyond switching & transcoding, which may include noise & cadence management, aspect ratio management, anamorphic support, colour management.
  • Surround Mode
    • THX -THX audio processing modes supported (and DPL as well)
    • DPLIIX - Dolby Pro Logic IIx Movies & Music modes supported
    • DPLIIz - Dolby Pro Logic IIz for support of additional height speakers
  • HBR Surr. - can the Surround Mode be applied to the HBR bitstream codecs (TrueHD, DTS HD MA)?
  • Decoders
    • DSD - native SACD DSD over HDMI decode
    • HDCD - High Definition CD
  • Spkr X-Over - Speaker Crossover:
    • Fixed - 80Hz for all speakers
    • Single - one adjustable crossover value applied to all speakers
    • Pair - adjustable crossover value per pair of speakers (F/C/S/SB/SW)
    • Custom - adjustable crossover value per speaker
  • Room Correction
    • None
    • GEC - Graphic Equalizer (fix band freq domain only)
    • PEQ - Parametric Equalizer (freq domain only)
    • Lexicon EQ
    • Audyssey - MultEQ, MultEQ XT, MultEQ Pro
    • Trinnov
  • Analog Bypass - can the SSP be used as a pure preamp passing analog inputs through a pure analog path?
  • Feature boxes that are blank (empty) mean that the feature behaviour has not yet been determined.

 
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#5 ·

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Originally Posted by MKtheater /forum/post/12235638


Krell S-1000 and their flagship evolution

I spoke to Richard at AVS. The current S-1000 does not support HDMI Audio input. However, an HDMI 1.3 hardware upgrade is coming that apparently will enable it. That tracks with this posting in the The D2 Alternative thread .


I understand the Evolution however does support HDMI 1.3 and all the HBR codecs.
 
#9 ·

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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll /forum/post/12233966


Hi,


What SSP or Pre/Pros current support audio input via HDMI using multichannel PCM? I don't mean onboard decoding, I just am trying to see what will handle MPCM.


I am specifically not looking for a AVR (I have seperate amps) nor do I really care about video processing (I have a seperate video chain).


Currently I know of Anthem's D2, but that includes a video processor which I don't need.


I do want a very good analog preamp built in with digital bypass capability.


I have heard the Halcro SSP-100 supports MPCM with an upgrade.


Any others?

What about the Anthem AVM40, there no Video processor in that model.
 
#11 ·
Enkoder: Thanks for the heads up on the Lexicon MV-5.


I skimmed the manual and it looks like a no frills HDMI 1.1 A/Vprepro. And at $3000, (for a Lexicon!!?!?) it should hit a sweet with alot of us here. Some will be put off by lack of upscaling to 1080p or only 2 HDMI in. No balanced in/outs either. Its bass managment is pretty good, but not as fine as Anthem's. The xover adjusts are only 120, 100, and 80hz to 40hz in 10hz increments.


It sounds like it can post-process Logic 7 or DPL IIx over multi-ch PCM, which is great for those of us with 7.1 ch and the new formats. A must for me.


I'm gonna pass this along to the Cary Cinema 11 thread.
 
#12 ·

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Originally Posted by Bing /forum/post/12261090


Some will be put off by lack of upscaling to 1080p or only 2 HDMI in. It sounds like it can post-process Logic 7 or DPL IIx over multi-ch PCM, which is great for those of us with 7.1 ch and the new formats.

My reading of the manual suggested 5.1 PCM only (see page 3-23). Does it support 7.1 PCM?
 
#13 ·
Good point. I didn't consider 7.1 PCM input via hdmi. Maybe I'll email lexicon if i get really interested in this piece. I guess that would be the most future proof. I'm just happy with good post-processing and bass management, because realistically, we don't have software to take advantage of that anyway.
 
#15 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluray_1080p /forum/post/12264230


Just go with the integra as if offers the best of the bunch.

I didn't ask which one is best, I asked what's on the market right now that is MPCM capable over HDMI.


And I would have to be able to find a dealer for Integra. If their web site is to be believed, they have none in Canada. I know that can't be true but it makes finding the Integra very hard. Know any Canadian dealers?
 
#16 ·
Yes, it's a pretty sad old list isn't it? Especially when pretty much every current receiver does this and more.


I too would like a prepro that accepts the PCM output of my universal player via HDMI. For me it is because I really like my SACDs. I'm less fussed about the HD audio form HD-DVD.


And I want a unit that does NOT upscale or deinterlace since I want to feed my scaler the least touched signal from my DVD players, ie 480i/576i and 1080i from the HD-DVD. I just want at least 3 HDMI inputs and component to HDMI for cable.


For me the Onkyo is closest since it has balanced outputs, which would simplify my cabling, but it converts component 480i to 480P HDMI.


On the other hand, it's REON scaling and the Audyssey EQ (in other words the bits everyone else likes) are wasted since I have outboard solutions for both.

 
#17 ·

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Originally Posted by Steve Dodds /forum/post/12266093


For me the Onkyo is closest since it has balanced outputs, which would simplify my cabling, but it converts component 480i to 480P HDMI.

Steve,


I have been very surprised by this gap in the market. I am also surprised by the low number of high end seperates that support THX processing. It can't be a cost issue on either side. Why would seperate manufacturers not adopt HDMI PCM input? I just don't get it.


I have looked for further SSPs that will do HDMI MPCM. I hear rumours of Emotiva and Primare doing something with HBR codecs, MPCM and HDMI, but nothing definate.


As for video, I have a Radiance XD, so I won't use the switching no matter what the SSP offers.


It seems like SSP manufacturers really want to sell SSP/VP combo solutions.


Eric
 
#18 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bing /forum/post/12261911


Good point. I didn't consider 7.1 PCM input via hdmi. Maybe I'll email lexicon if i get really interested in this piece. I guess that would be the most future proof. I'm just happy with good post-processing and bass management, because realistically, we don't have software to take advantage of that anyway.

Here is what Lexicon emailed back to me concerning the 5.1 or 7.1 through HDMI as well as a few questions that I also had. This unit is a little disappointing considering how new it is.


Hello Ted,


The Logic 7 in the MV-5 is tailored specifically to the hardware of the MV-5. It performs great, but the MC-12 HD is more powerful and will be superior.


The MV-5 is compatible with 5.1 LPCM signals, not 7.1 signals. This is the same for the MC-12HD.


The MV-5 can not pass thru a 1080p signal. There are no plans for a 1080p upgrade for this unit. The MC-12HD supports this.


Best regards,


Greg Hould

Technical Support Coordinator

Harman Specialty Group

Lexicon|Mark Levinson|Revel

Tel: (781) 280-0300

Fax: (781) 280-0499
 
#20 ·
The higher end SSP companies do and will support 7.1 over PCM along with bitrate, it's just that when you are ordering 100 chips at a time vs 10,000 you have economies of scale to deal with, and more research that goes into making improvements into each pre/pro. They are coming. They also generally require more bench testing to make sure things get done right.


Unfortunately we just have to wait until they're released.


Richard
 
#23 ·

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Originally Posted by jdc115 /forum/post/12272590


Does anybody know if the Rotel RSP-1069 accept multichannel PCM over HDMI? This is a new processor with HDMI1.1 inputs. I have written the company a few times with this question but they have never responded.
This posting is rather confusing claiming both yes and no...


But here is a yes.


The question is whether it will be 5.1 PCM or 7.1 PCM.
 
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