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post #10651 of 23784
8/28/10 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

However, my two cents re: the commercials, is that some programs are old and the easiest way to 'flag/encrypt' a re-run program is maybe by introducing it into the broadcast along with the commercials, as they are always current. I remember that certain Dave Letterman shows (not OTA, but from my provider) would NOT allow me to dub it to DVD, yet the majority of them wouldn't be a problem. In some cases these Letterman shows were 're-runs'. I tried to determine what aspects dictated the show to be not copyable to DVD, such as the celebrity status of certain guests, etc. but couldn't/haven't come up with a reason.

Either way, I'll give it a try, with both 're-run' programs and 'new' programs and local channels vs pay channels. This may take several days as channels such as Nat'l Geo broadcast mostly re-run programs (2009 and before), but every once in a while run a new (Aug 2010) program.

The copy-protection-in-commercials problem started in Sep 2008 and continued for some time after, and I haven't heard much about that problem lately.

JVC recorders were first to notice this problem and JVC engineering told their users that the CP was indeed in the commericals, but they didn't know why. It's possible that JVC might have helped stop this practice, altho if it's something the Recording Industry Assoc of America (RIAA) got started, they would have to be convinced to cease-and-desist???
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post #10652 of 23784
8/28/10 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by sydyen View Post

a) PSIP corruption which affects tuning.

Cablecos ONLY use Actual frequencies, pre-loaded in tables maintained by the head end and downloaded to the Set Top Boxes. On the Comcast DTA subscribers can actually pull up the Virtual Channel Table. There can be variations in symptoms, but the typical scenarios are the following:
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PSIPs are valid, results are the same:
     Funai: Enter Virtual/Tune Virtual and Enter Actual/Tune Virtual
        TV: Enter Virtual/Tune Virtual and Enter Actual/Tune Virtual

PSIPs are corrupt, results are different:
     Funai: Enter Virtual/Not Tuned and Enter Actual/Not Tuned
        TV: Enter Virtual/Not Tuned and Enter Actual/Tuned
Being Virtual Channel centric in design, the Funai tuners are severely affected by corruption of the PSIP tables. Early 200x TVs had a similar problem, but TVs have evolved to be Actual Channel centric, so that even when the PSIPs are corrupted they can lock to the Actual frequency.

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Could this explain the following problem with my wife's Magnavox TV: Comcast is my cable company and I live in Naples, FL. My wife's Magnavox 37MF231D LCD TV (with a clear QAM tuner) cannot pick up digital WGCU's (PBS) stations (3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4), Fox's WFTX (4.4), CBS's WINK (5.5) and ? WXCW (6.6). All these stations are readily picked up by my other QAM-equipped TVs (Mitsubishi, Sharp and Vizio) and by an HDD recorder that has QAM tuner. She is able to pick up digital ABC (7.7) and NBC (2.2 and 2.3).
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post #10653 of 23784
8/28/10 at 10:43am
Sydyen, I now remember that I did record a 60 minute 'segment' a couple of times WITHOUT the commercials, to the Mag HDD (since it was a 10+ minute continuous segment with commercials at the beginning and at the end, I just transferred it from the DVR to the Mag HDD w/o the commercials). I was disappointed because I got the 'dreaded' disc with a slash through it 'icon' on the title index. Luckily that particular segment I WAS able to record to Vtape, and then dubbed it to DVD.

However, I also remembered having recorded one episode that was part of a series from the 'Sci' channel. The dubbing to DVD went fine. The next episode I transferred to the Mag had the 'dreaded' slashed disc icon. It wouldn't even allow me to record it to Vtape.
I was P/Od because now I had one episode on DVD and couldn't record the whole series. Wish I had saved that episode so that I could edit/delete the commercials and try out your theory (it hasn't been re-run yet). But it shows you how the providers/channels are messing with the broadcasts.
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post #10654 of 23784
8/28/10 at 10:55am
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Anyone with suspected copy protection from commercials or other fluff should make sure they cut the commercials out, PLUS a short ways into the program. That is, delete a few extra sec (3-4 sec or more if possible?) to make sure any "residue" from the commercials/promos is gone... sometimes the station program "switch" is delayed if coming from diff. studio sources.
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post #10655 of 23784
8/28/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by blgaarder View Post

This refers to how the data is stored on the HDD, for example file directories and content.

Other people have said that none of the usual PC utility programs will allow them to format a new, larger HDD and then move the contents of the original HDD to the new HDD while retaining the larger size.

Either a program written using this disc structure information or the program that I mentioned in my post would let us do a copy from one HDD to another using a PC.

My understanding is that if we have only one unit and have a number of titles recorded on our existing HDD, the only way to move them to a new HDD is by dubbing from the old HDD to DVD and then from DVD to the new HDD.

Thanks,
Bruce

I think with one recorder, that's the only solution. With two recorders, connect them by going out from the one with all the titles to line in of the other machine (where you --ideally -- had swapped hard drive to a larger size). As you playback the titles you want to save, record content of the original disc to the new machine. It's a little cumbersome, and has to be done in real time, but at least you could skip the dvd burning step. I've done this on a small scale to salvage a few excerpts of titles I wanted to keep, or to consolidate (join) some titles. I think it'd be easier if the recorded titles would play sequentially (as someone requested here); you could just leave it running and record a few at a time as they played back one after another... at least you wouldn't have to babysit the whole recording /duplicating session. I'm sure you'd run up against the maximum recording length issue at some point, (what is it, 12 hrs?) but at least that way you could leave it unattended while it duplicated. Then you could delete the old content (or swap out that disc). Not sure it's worth it....
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post #10656 of 23784
8/28/10 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

... I'm also confused about 'media protection laws' you mention. Who authored, controls, monitors and enforces these laws, and is anything broadcast covered by these laws?
If these are FCC 'laws' then certain providers (not only ATT) are getting around it. My provider (and several different ones of my friends') prevents certain VOD and even some premium channel (HBO, Showtime, etc) programs/movies to be recorded period, including in some cases the provider's DVR. For certain VODs or premium movies I can only watch the program in real time, and can't timeshift to the DVR.

I believe allowing programs to copy to HDD has to do with the provider's DVR (HDD) or aftermarket DVRs (such as TiVo or Moxi). It has to allow copying to HDD so that customers can timeshift programs. It won't allow the program to be copied to DVD even though technically it is only copying it 'once'. The provider (or rather channels) don't want people to make a permanent copy of their programs, as they want you to purchase it from them.

The HDD recording is the permitted "copy once," thereafter any other copying goes beyond "copy once."

More information concerning the law and implementing regulations is found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital..._Copyright_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
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post #10657 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:22pm
Request advice as to a proposed configuration for coax connection using 2 each Mag 2160A with Time Warner Cable (TWC) digital Set Top Box (STB) for viewing and recording PPV. See below for proposed connectivity.

Normally I use TWC cable without STB, that is, coax from wall into 2160A (identified by me as Mag1) then daisy chained coax to second 2160A (identified by me as Mag2) and then coax to SONY Bravia HDTV. The only time I would use this proposed configuration is about twice per year during NCAA football season when my favorite team is broadcast PPV.

This is my first year to use a digital STB with Maggies which I acquired this year. With this proposed configuration, my intent is to use Mag1 for the PPV program, and Mag2 to bypass the STB so that I may view and even record other programs using the second 2160A unimpeded by the STB.

Will this configuration work okay?

1.TWC coax cable from wall outlet input to 2-way splitter (500-900 MHZ).
2.Side 1 of the splitter coax output into the STB, then coax out of the STB into Mag1, and then from Mag1 with HDMI cable to HDMI-1.
3.Side 2 of the splitter coax output into Mag2, and then from Mag2 coax out to HDTV, and finally from Mag2 with HDMI cable to HDMI-3.
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post #10658 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

The HDD recording is the permitted "copy once," thereafter any other copying goes beyond "copy once."

More information concerning the law and implementing regulations is found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital..._Copyright_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

Still confused...(haven't had the time to read the Wikipedia but will at some point...I know, I know)..but in a nutshell, if you (DMCA) say "..thereafter any other copying goes beyond 'copy once'"... then copying from a DVR (HDD) to an external HDD is technically making a 'second copy' (which I/we can do currently) and copying directly to a DVD (w/o copying to a DVR or external HDD) is technically "copy once", which we can't do. What gives?

Does the 'DMCA' specifically limit copying to 'volatile' media (HDD) and not to 'permanent' media (DVD)? If so, that means someone can still copy movies, broadcasts, etc. to their 2TB HDD, and just have that instead of putting it on DVDs! May not be a bad alternative to the 'copy-right' mess, especially if it also applies to copying HD (BD?) content to a HDD. Cost of HDD is almost a wash with equivalent DVD blanks.

If this is correct, I take back everything I said (no value/benefit) about Funai developing a BD HDD recorder.

And if we could record (even only once) to BD HDD, here is the next best thing for Funai (you heard it here first 234). Offer a 500 GB HDD recorder with quick USB connect removable/replaceable HDD modules. Funai could sell the 500 GB HDD modules for around $50 (about equal to 100 DVDs @ regular price). It would reduce storage space, more convenient to handle, quicker access (instead of rifling though 100 DVDs), eliminate dubbing time to DVDs, and minimize the concern of degradation of DVD blanks, etc. etc.
SIGN ME UP!!

Somehow I don't think Big Brother Entertainment Industry is going to let this happen!
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post #10659 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Compubooth View Post

Will this configuration work okay?

1.TWC coax cable from wall outlet input to 2-way splitter (500-900 MHZ).
2.Side 1 of the splitter coax output into the STB, then coax out of the STB into Mag1, and then from Mag1 with HDMI cable to HDMI-1.
3.Side 2 of the splitter coax output into Mag2, and then from Mag2 coax out to HDTV, and finally from Mag2 with HDMI cable to HDMI-3.

I'd keep the 2 Mags daisy-chained on coax, except from one output of the splitter you're now going to use. Have the other splitter output go only to the STB. The splitter has to be bidirectional so you can order PPV, and it might oughta be 5-1000MHz, but you could start with the 900MHz unit.

To record PPV, or anything else, from the STB, run Composite or S-Video + L/R audio from an STB output to one of the Mag's AV IN (L1 on back or L2 on front).

This will allow both your Mags to record independently any channel they can tune and will come in handy when there are two good shows on at the same time.
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post #10660 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I'd keep the 2 Mags daisy-chained on coax, except from one output of the splitter you're now going to use. Have the other splitter output go only to the STB. The splitter has to be bidirectional so you can order PPV, and it might oughta be 5-1000MHz, but you could start with the 900MHz unit.

To record PPV, or anything else, from the STB, run Composite or S-Video + L/R audio from an STB output to one of the Mag's AV IN (L1 on back or L2 on front).

This will allow both your Mags to record independently any channel they can tune and will come in handy when there are two good shows on at the same time.

Sounds like what I've got (except a second DVR isn't needed). Here's a diagram (sort of):
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Cable--------+--------(coax) DVR ========= TV
             |               |||(E1)
             |               ||| 
             |               |||
         Cable Box------------+
Since my cable box is a DTA, I use an old VCR tuned to channel 3 connected to the coax output of the cable box and run svid/RCA cables to the E1 (line in) of the DVR.

I can tune many HD and SD broadcast stations via QAM and only resort to E1 for cable channels.

You could just as easily run the E1 cable to a second DVR and let the TV pick the input source.
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post #10661 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:56pm
wajo: this config is just for the time the PPV is being broadcast, maybe 3-4 hours at most. Afterward, I will return to normal config. I'll use the other (Mag2) for recording other stuff if necessary during the PPV period. Considering the short temp arrangement, will my proposed connectivity be OK?
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post #10662 of 23784
8/28/10 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Compubooth View Post

wajo: this config is just for the time the PPV is being broadcast, maybe 3-4 hours at most. Afterward, I will return to normal config. I'll use the other (Mag2) for recording other stuff if necessary during the PPV period. Considering the short temp arrangement, will my proposed connectivity be OK?

I don't know all the ins and outs of cable boxes, but I just don't like the sound of the coax out feeding a Mag... sounds as if the Mag has to be on ch. 3 or something stupid like that (i.e., it's a slave to the box)... when it doesn't need to be?

Connected the way I described could be "permanent"... no need to switch anything.
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post #10663 of 23784
8/28/10 at 3:20pm
Thanks for your input. I didn't make it clear but the STB is temp too, I pick it up from TWC office just before the game and return it afterward. If the digital works like the analog STB I've used in the past, then yes, Mag1 will be tuned to channel 3. That's okay with me for the short time I'm viewing/recording PPV football game. I'll have the other 2160A, that is Mag2 for viewing and recording otherwise.

One major objective too, I am wishing to avoid changing my normal setup which is for cable without the STB. I'm getting too old and creaky to get down on my knees changing cable connections enclosed in cabinet.
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post #10664 of 23784
8/28/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Compubooth View Post

Thanks for your input. I didn't make it clear but the STB is temp too, I pick it up from TWC office just before the game and return it afterward. If the digital works like the analog STB I've used in the past, then yes, Mag1 will be tuned to channel 3. That's okay with me for the short time I'm viewing/recording PPV football game. I'll have the other 2160A, that is Mag2 for viewing and recording otherwise.

One major objective too, I am wishing to avoid changing my normal setup which is for cable without the STB. I'm getting too old and creeky to get down on my knees changing cable connections enclosed in cabinet.

If that STB has svideo out, I agree with the previous post that the best bet is to connect the second one with L R audio cables to the front of the maggie, which = Line 2. That way you dont have to bend down and reach around to the back of the unit. (it works well for me with on demand, but I'm not sure if PPV has any kind of copy protection scheme that might preclude recording, so be sure to test that first. YOu dont want to end up recording blank air!
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post #10665 of 23784
8/28/10 at 4:29pm
I conducted the first 'test' of recording a 'flagged/encrypted' program with commercials. It was from the Nat'l Geo channels (there are two). I recorded the program with commercials on my provider's DVR. I then transferred the recording to my Mag HDD and got the 'dreaded slashed DVD' icon. I then edited the commercials out w/o change to the icon, so removing the commercials didn't help on this one. I also partially recorded a Letterman program, but it was Ok to dub.
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post #10666 of 23784
8/28/10 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by artwire View Post

If that STB has svideo out, I agree with the previous post that the best bet is to connect the second one with L R audio cables to the front of the maggie, which = Line 2. That way you dont have to bend down and reach around to the back of the unit. (it works well for me with on demand, but I'm not sure if PPV has any kind of copy protection scheme that might preclude recording, so be sure to test that first. YOu dont want to end up recording blank air!

Thanks for your input. I'm planning on getting the STB as early as it's available for the PPV to check it out and I'll see what options are open to me. I definitely do not want blank air!!!
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post #10667 of 23784
8/28/10 at 4:42pm
I just upgraded my 2160A hard drive from the original Hitachi HDT721016SLA380 to a Western Digital WD5000BUDT. Seams to be working well so far. The new drive is also known an AV-25 500 G. It is a 2.5" with some very good power and speed specs.

Western Digital AV-25 Specs

I tired to mount in a 3.5" to 2.5" converter but the SATA converter card won't fit because the new drive was centered where the old drive was. I ended up drilling two holes in the bracket that the original drive was mounted to to justify it to the right so the SATA converter would fit. I didn't come up with a good template but if anyone wants to upgrade to a 2.5" drive. I think drilling the two holes is the easiest path. So the new drive is mounted to the original bracket with two M3 screws, 1/8 inch holes.
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post #10668 of 23784
8/28/10 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTheGeek View Post

I just upgraded my 2160A hard drive ...

Peter, thanks for the info. I've added you to our "Pioneer" list and linked to your post. You're #20 here... see if I got it right.

If you decide to add any more details or later updates, please add them by Editing your original post above.
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post #10669 of 23784
8/29/10 at 2:13am
Here's what I've found in my research.
Copy Control Information (CCI):
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...a two byte flag included in digital television streams that allows content owners to specify how content can be duplicated.

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0x00 - Copy freely - Content is not copy protected.
0x01 - Copy No More - Essentially the same as 0x02
0x02 - Copy Once - A recording can be made, but that is it.
0x03 - Copy Never - the content can be recorded and viewed for 90 minutes after transmission, and is not transferable.
0x04 - Content is Copy Once for digital output, but would have Macrovision 7 Day Unlimited restriction applied on the analog outputs. This affects content viewed either on an HDTV with component cabling or on a standard definition TV. It also affects content saved to VCR or DVD when the recorder is connected to an analog output on the DVR.
0x07 - Content is Copy Never for digital content (deleted after 90 minutes) and Macrovision 7 day/24 hour for content recorded from analog channels. Content cannot be transferred via TiVoToGo transfers or MRV, and cannot be saved to VCR or DVD.

Digital devices can recognize CCI and prevent digital transfer to other digital devices (or recording to DVD).

Note that some levels will actually create Macrovision when trying to pass a protected signal over an analog connection. (So if you've previously recorded such a signal and try to play it via analog cables to another device, you get Macrovision interfering with your ability to record).

Macrovision (technically CGMS-A):
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Copy Generation Management System - Analog (CGMS-A) is a copy protection mechanism for analog television signals. It consists of a waveform inserted into the non-picture Vertical Blanking Interval (VBI) of an analogue video signal. If a compatible recording device (for example, a DVD recorder) detects this waveform, it may block or restrict recording of the video content.

It does just what you expect it to do, and AFAIK is removable with those video stabilizer boxes that have been around since the 80's.

Translation: In theory, if you put a video stabilizer between your cable box and DVR, there shouldn't be anything to worry about (I have not tried this). Since there is no useful digital input on these units, CCI will not be an issue (when using a STB or DTA).

Here is a discussion on this board of the two more popular devices: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=13404620. The one is built by AVSForum member "Logic Design".

This of course will not allow you to defeat the dreaded Ghostbuster symbol from anything you've recorded to the HDD and want to burn to DVD. (Actually, if you have two DVD Recorders, you can probably figure a way around that too.)

BEFORE anyone complains about me posting this, all my info is from Wikipedia and other threads here on avsforum, not the darker reaches of the net.
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post #10670 of 23784
8/29/10 at 10:13am
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And the sad story continues... latest review of 513 on Walmart.com:

"I was very disappointed to discover that I had to set the recorder to record daily because it does not allow you the option to record for any number of days. The option to rewind live tv is nice but back to the store it went."

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post #10671 of 23784
8/29/10 at 10:13am
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Some recent posts and speculation on wether or not Verbatim still makes DVDs with their "outstanding" metal-AZO discs prompted me to search out some info on the subject.

What I found is:

Verbatim still makes AZO DVD±R discs (from a Verbatim answer to a question).

If the DVD±R packaging shows AZO it's good, of course.

However, they also produce "DataLifePlus" DVD±R discs that ALSO have the metal-AZO dye... see supermediastore.com here.

Plain "DataLife" DVD±R discs DO NOT use the AZO dye.

If it's AZO, the MID code will be MCC, otherwise the dreaded CMC.

Packaging *may* not have the "AZO" on it but the online description *usually* has it mentioned somewhere.

Apparently, their DVD±RW discs use a Super Eutectic Recording Layer (SERL)... with the "SERL" on the pkg front.

I've changed the "DVD Info" help file to reflect the difference, as follows:

"VERBATIM AZO or DataLifePlus DVD±R or Super Eutectic Recording Layer (SERL) DVD±RW made in India, Singapore, Taiwan or the United Arab Emirates (UAE)
(Plain "DataLife" discs are NOT metal AZO dye and are NOT recommended.)"
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post #10672 of 23784
8/29/10 at 10:40am
And finally got around to change the hdd, so another that joins the 500GB club on the 2160A refurb.

Im not going post the procedure as there are more than enough detail posts about it. It was pretty easy, i even removed the ribbon from the unit itself, probably no need for it. But i did get scared some when i turn it on, the formating was so fast i didn't think it worked, what got me worried was no progress or gui about it, just a second and turn off, so i was worried it was not formating the drive, but its recording/playing perfect.

I used a Samsung 500 GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive HD502HI, i mostly wanted a low powered solution, probably i should've gone with 2.5 laptop drive but the following review convince me, Silentpcreivew's Samsung F2 EcoGreen HD502HI: Silent 500GB 3.5" HDD. Really nice low rpm/noise/power/cost drive, was able to get them for $38. Here is a couple of pics of the drive already installed.



I just want to thank Wajo, for his efforts and all his contribution to this thread, because of your incredible and unselfish work you done, i bought this unit, been nothing but extremely pleased with it. And all others that have posted and tested new stuff, thanks to all.

Now im just waiting for a higher than 500gb unit .

Edit: In case you cant find it, the Samsung F3 are getting great reviews, specially the 500gb version as its a single platter low noise, but consider one of the fastest 7200rpm drives, check the following review in case you are intrested, Link.
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post #10673 of 23784
8/29/10 at 10:46am
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Thanks, Abula, I'll be adding you as #21 to our list of upgrade Pioneers.

If you decide to add more info in the future, please do it in you original post above since I'll be linking to that post for all info on your upgrade.

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post #10674 of 23784
8/29/10 at 12:08pm
Found 8X DVD+R discs on Amazon from The Price Pros for $13.64 for a 50-pack spindle + shipping. Not a good price with the shipping added for 1 spindle (41 cents per disc), but the price drops to about 35 cents per disc for 2 spindles, and about 32 cents per disc for 4 spindles.

http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataL...06642&sr=1-7#_

I'll report back whether the product received is as advertised (AZO, MCC media code)
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post #10675 of 23784
8/29/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Here's what I've found in my research.
Copy Control Information (CCI):


Digital devices can recognize CCI and prevent digital transfer to other digital devices (or recording to DVD).

Note that some levels will actually create Macrovision when trying to pass a protected signal over an analog connection. (So if you've previously recorded such a signal and try to play it via analog cables to another device, you get Macrovision interfering with your ability to record).

Macrovision (technically CGMS-A):


I had read this on Wikipedia, but didn't think it applied since the 0x02 copy once would appear to prevent you from copying it a 'second time' to another HDD (from the DVR HDD). Per Wikipedia: "...Copy Once means that a DVR can make one copy, but no more copies can be made."
I have not found any standard 'pay' programs that won't allow you to copy them to another HDD (from the DVR HDD), even the ones that prevent you from copying it to DVD.
However, premium pay movie channels, PPV, VOD etc. frequently DO prevent you from copying to DVR (although NOT all) and certainly prevent you from copying to DVD. I fully understand the 'premium' pay channels not allowing you to copy to DVD, but am disappointed that other standard pay channels (such as Natl Geo) have also jumped on the band wagon.
I'm hoping that ALL 'standard pay channels' don't decide to join in, as that would restrict the copying of any programs to DVD FOR PERSONAL USE.
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post #10676 of 23784
8/29/10 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

I had read this on Wikipedia, but didn't think it applied since the 0x02 copy once would appear to prevent you from copying it a 'second time' to another HDD (from the DVR HDD). Per Wikipedia: "...Copy Once means that a DVR can make one copy, but no more copies can be made."
I have not found any standard 'pay' programs that won't allow you to copy them to another HDD (from the DVR HDD), even the ones that prevent you from copying it to DVD.
However, premium pay movie channels, PPV, VOD etc. frequently DO prevent you from copying to DVR (although NOT all) and certainly prevent you from copying to DVD. I fully understand the 'premium' pay channels not allowing you to copy to DVD, but am disappointed that other standard pay channels (such as Natl Geo) have also jumped on the band wagon.
I'm hoping that ALL 'standard pay channels' don't decide to join in, as that would restrict the copying of any programs to DVD FOR PERSONAL USE.

It sounds like you have both a Maggie and a DVR from your cable provider. You may want to run analog cables from your cable box, through a CGMS remover to your Maggie and record on the Maggie DURING the broadcast. (That's assuming they are even using CGMS at all. It sounds like you're trying to record it to the cable DVR and then dub it to a Maggy.)

Once it is on your Maggie, the CP is stripped and you can feel free to burn a disc. The down side of course is that it isn't really a digital copy anymore since you've passed it over analog cables.
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post #10677 of 23784
8/29/10 at 1:43pm
Oh, regarding drive upgrades...
With Funai support on the forums, has anyone asked if the faster DVD burner replacements can be installed on older models?

I have a 3576 and would love to put a faster recorder into it... assuming it would work.
Do the 513's use 8x or is the new drive faster?
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post #10678 of 23784
8/29/10 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

It sounds like you have both a Maggie and a DVR from your cable provider. You may want to run analog cables from your cable box, through a CGMS remover to your Maggie and record on the Maggie DURING the broadcast.

Once it is on your Maggie, the CP is stripped and you can feel free to burn a disc. The down side of course is that it isn't really a digital copy anymore since you've passed it over analog cables.

Might be true if suggesting he copy directly to a DVD?

The PhilMag HDD is already CGMS 00, Copy Freely, as shown in Skip 456 screen 3-1-3. COPY PROTECT DISP.
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8/29/10 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Might be true if suggesting he copy directly to a DVD?

The PhilMag HDD is already CGMS 00, Copy Freely, as shown in Skip 456 screen 3-1-3. COPY PROTECT DISP.

Then why would people have issues with content they record to HDD but can't burn to DVD? Is that from CCI?
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8/29/10 at 2:11pm
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Then why would people have issues with content they record to HDD but can't burn to DVD? Is that from CCI?

?Might have to do with analog vs. digital data, the *complex* nature of CGMS, and new ways to apply it, as described in Wiki?

One section here:

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"Implementation of CGMS-A is required for certain applications by DVD CCA license. D-VHS and some DVD recorders comply with CGMS-A signal on analog inputs. The technology requires minimal signal processing.

Where the source signal is analogue (e.g. VHS, analogue broadcast), the CGMS-A signalling may be present in that source.

Where the source signal is digital (e.g. DVD, digital broadcast), then the Copy Control Information (CCI) is carried in metadata in the digital transport or program stream, and a compliant hardware device (e.g. a DVD player) will read that data, and encode it into the analogue video signal generated within the device itself."

Aother section here, which suggests it's "confusing" prob. to everyone:

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"CEA-805 CGMS-A Type B confusion

CEA-805 is now on its fourth major version (CEA-805-D), and there have been errata issued to at least one version. CEA-805-D recognises that, in respect of Type B signalling, earlier versions of the standard were unclear regarding the order of bits as represented in the analogue video signal vs as used for the CRC calculation, and also which bits were to be used for the CRC calculation. Issue D requires sink devices to perform multiple CRC calculations for Type B signalling, taking account of various possible implementations in source devices. There is no such confusion surrounding Type A signalling.


Signalling

CEA-608-B specifies meaning of the 7-bit field placed on the data lines. The bits 4 and 3 contain the CGMS-A values, the bits 2 and 1 contain the Analog Protection System (APS) value, the bit 0 is the Analog Source Bit (ASB) specifying if the signal originates from a pre-recorded material, bits 5 and 6 are reserved.

"CGMS-A is signalled by 2 bits in the vertical blanking interval (VBI) signal of analog television broadcasts according to the following matrix:

0 0 CopyFreely Unlimited copies may be made of the content.
0 1 CopyNoMore* One generation of copies has already been made; no further copying is allowed.
1 0 CopyOnce One generation of copies may be made
1 1 CopyNever No copies may be made of the content.

*CopyNoMore was not a part of the original standard. The 0,1 value originally was "Reserved"."
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