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post #10771 of 23916
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Well, it is... it's only a player. I want a recorder with dockable HDDs like this. It's the "concept" I'm interested in. Instead of hard-mounting the HDD inside, just put a docking sleeve and connector inside so we can slip a HDD in with our "Western Movies" on it to record "Gunsmoke," then we can remove it and put a HDD in with our "Football Games" on it and record the Colts beating the Saints, then remove that drive and insert a HDD with our "Horror Shows" on it and record "Godzilla Returns to Tokyo" on it, then ...
post #10772 of 23916
You made me look. For a minute I thought that Dune HD Max was a DVR as well.

I like the idea of a unit that can play other media types like XviD, x264, WMV, VC1, etc. like that. Media players like that Dune unit are becoming very common (but so far none have a DVR or DVD burner in them.)

I hesitate to ask for something else on the wish list... but how about an update to the DivX playback chips to something that can play other compression formats (and at HD resolutions)?
post #10773 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Well, it is... it's only a player. I want a recorder with dockable HDDs like this. It's the "concept" I'm interested in. Instead of hard-mounting the HDD inside, just put a docking sleeve and connector inside so we can slip a HDD in with our "Western Movies" on it to record "Gunsmoke," then we can remove it and put a HDD in with our "Football Games" on it and record the Colts beating the Saints, then remove that drive and insert a HDD with our "Horror Shows" on it and record "Godzilla Returns to Tokyo" on it, then ...

Or like this:

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post #10774 of 23916
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Unattended Copying of Multiple HDD Titles from One DVDR's HDD to Another

Several people have expressed a desire to auto-play and copy multiple HDD titles from one DVDR to the HDD of another, like when they upgrade their HDD. I think I found a "klugy" way to do that.

There's no "play multiple titles sequentially" feature when playing from the HDD, only from DVDs. So, I tested the only way I knew of to do that: Use the Dubbing menu.

I Added several titles to a Dubbing list and selected SLP rec mode so I could get as many titles as possible on a RW disc AND tell if the pic I saw on screen while dubbing in real-time mode was the SLP version or the clean original version. The pic on screen was key since that's the version being output to the TV, which in this case would be the other DVDR.

It appeared to me that the version I saw on screen was the pure version on the HDD, not the downconverted SLP version.

So, a person could:
  1. Connect sending DVDR (#1) to receiving DVDR (#2) via Composite or S-Video + L/R audio.
  2. Load blank RW disc in #2 DVDR.
  3. Set #2 DVDR for SP rec mode (or any other as desired).
  4. Create a Dubbing list with up to 6-hrs of titles in #1 DVDR.
  5. Start a RTD to RW disc in SLP mode from #1 to #2.
  6. Go to bed and next morning have those titles on HDD of #2 DVDR.
  7. Erase RW disc and repeat with new titles, as needed.
  8. Watch #2's titles at your leisure or, if wanted on DVDs, Change Title Name(s) and Edit to delete "Writing to disc" sections (Divide or Scene Delete).
The drawbacks in this procedure are:
  1. The "Writing to Disc" op each title would have as part of the normal Dubbing procedure, which would get recorded in addition to the pure title. That would require a post-dub Divide op. at each "Writing to Disc" section IF you wanted separate titles for dubbing. IF you only want them for viewing, leave those sections and just skip thru them while playing.
  2. An RW disc can only fit 6 hours worth of titles. (Too bad you can't fool the machine and do this w/o a disc in the tray so there wouldn't be any limit on how much you can dub this way in one session.)
The advantages are:
  1. It's better than 1 title at a time.
  2. You can choose which titles to copy since you Add them to a Dub list, i.e., they don't have to be sequential on the HDD.
post #10775 of 23916
Well i think i determined the exact cause, i'm clearing off the hard drive slowly of all the movies, discovered a series episode that got off during the power outage we had.

Machine seems to be running fine other wise, but i think i will clear it off, and run a skip check...then reload the movies from DVD+RW and slowly dub them to disc one by one, not too many left to Dub though, maybe about 10-15 left

Thank you everyone for the replies, sorry i didn't get back to sooner and comment on this
post #10776 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Unattended Copying of Multiple HDD Titles from One DVDR's HDD to Another

Great idea! Didn't see this on the list (or maybe listed differently). This would be nice in combination with the 'removable HDD', as one could transfer a 'genre' (or whatever) recorded on one HDD to another HDD (another Funai), maybe because you wanted more capacity for that 'genre', or segregate it to a smaller capacity HDD.
post #10777 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

FYI to all: you can use "The 11:57 Procedure" to let you know immediately if there is any good time signal in your channel lineup?

I guess we all know that PBS has poor time keeping. Last night I kept my clock set on PBS and set the time to 11:56pm. I would alternate between my two analog cable PBS channels. I started testing about 11pm EDT. Nothing changed until 11:55pm EDT. Then, for the next 30 minutes, I would get the following:

WVIA would jump ahead 3 hours and 22 minutes and the date was not changed.

WITF would jump ahead 3 hours and 30 minutes and the date would advance by one day.

Not what I had hoped for, but my only conclusion is that the 11:57 procedure works to tell you if a valid time signal is present when you run it.
post #10778 of 23916
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Originally Posted by 234 View Post

> How about an HD/BD recorder version...

Do you hope to have it?
We already have technology of it.
If US market requires it, we can make plan to launch it.

Dear 234,

I just ran across this question of yours and didn't see a flood of answers.

I believe the answer is a resounding (loud):

YES!

MANY people here have commented on how "lucky" the Japanese, Australians and others are because they DO have High Def BD recorders (HD/BD) and how we all WISH WE ALSO HAD THAT CHOICE!

PLEASE consider making a HD/BD recorder for the North American market... I believe it would be an instant success!
post #10779 of 23916
Also on #25, I assume you mean to 'eliminate all chapter marks' not eliminate all chapters.

And didn't see this small request for the Funai...show the recorded quality/speed of the DVD, NOT the original recording quality OR show both. It should be immaterial what device recorded it (Funai or other recorder). Really helps when some HDD program recordings are downgraded to fit them on the DVD. I assume that the 'reading' of the DVD would trigger it.
post #10780 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Dear 234,

I just ran across this question of yours and didn't see a flood of answers.

I believe the answer is a resounding (loud):

YES!

MANY people here have commented on how "lucky" the Japanese, Australians and others are because they DO have High Def BD recorders (HD/BD) and how we all WISH WE ALSO HAD THAT CHOICE!

PLEASE consider making a HD/BD recorder for the North American market... I believe it would be an instant success!

I guess I was the lone holdout for HD/BD recorder. However, if it also allows SD recording, and maybe allow HD recording on a standard disc (don't know about the capacity though) AND/OR, even better, if this is in combination with a 'dockable' HDD I may be convinced.

Still concerned with the reaction from industry. Discovered another provider/channel 'snafu'.....60 minute program wouldn't allow me to dub to DVD. That's the 4th 'regular' channel that's now messing around with it. Natl Geo (both channels, all the time); PBS (all channels some programs); Sci (some programs); CBS (some programs). For some of us 'provider subscribers' this is getting to be a real PITA.
post #10781 of 23916
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

Also on #25, I assume you mean to 'eliminate all chapter marks' not eliminate all chapters.

And didn't see this small request for the Funai...show the recorded quality/speed of the DVD, NOT the original recording quality OR show both. It should be immaterial what device recorded it (Funai or other recorder). Really helps when some HDD program recordings are downgraded to fit them on the DVD. I assume that the 'reading' of the DVD would trigger it.

Fixed #25.

The Rec Mode on DVD is taken care of in item #1 of Wish List.
post #10782 of 23916
Thread Starter 
Moved from separate thread.

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Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

Two years ago, Woja was so convincing about this Philips 3576 HDD/DVDR that I bought 2 of them, one to use with Dish Cable only, and the other to use only for local programming with OTA. He helped me get them set up, etc. I record daily shows on both. They have been my favorite toys!

Now the problem. The one I use with my OTA died the other night. It looked like someone unplugged it, but not true cuz I live alone. The receptacle tested OK. I unplugged my unit several times. No luck. I have extended service so I called the provider and was told I could mail it to them for repair (which would take about 2-3 weeks) or take it to a local provider (yes, better choice). They emailed authorization for service, but when I called for the business hours, I was told that they NO longer service Philips 3576 or any other recorder cuz “everyone went to BluRay.” I hate the time involved for shipping and repair, so I remembered all the help I got from AV Forum, so

I came back here and saw that another member had the same problem. I found Woja’s recommendations to try the “Soft Reset.” I tried it and it powered on. I was thrilled, but just for a minute. My recorded programs were still there. I reset date and time. The picture was beautiful but NO SOUND : (

I recently had a “no sound” experience with the HDD that I use for Cable programming. It was late at night so I shut it off and planned to call for service the next day. When I got up the next morning and turned it on, the sound returned (???). It shocked me, but I didn’t question it. It happened 2 more times in the next few days, but has been fine since then.

I was hoping to have the same luck with this unit. I just tried that Soft Reset again to see if it would bring back the sound. No luck.

Did any of you ever hear of this kind of problem? Is there a magic fix? I need all the help I can get.

How are you connected to TV... HDMI, Component, Composite YWR+L/R audio, or S-Video+L/R audio?
post #10783 of 23916
can you recomend me a good brand of DVD RW either + or - that is nice and compatible with the Mag 2160?

i bought some memorex from Wally mart and im getting bad burns.. a bargin is not a bargin if have the box gives up the ghost..

im thinking just stick with sony..

any suggestions.. also..
is there some way of temporary marking dvd rw disc.. im getting quite mixed up with what is on what disc after backing up my 160 gb HD..

wow.. im being a bit of a pest...

well thanks for the great thread..
post #10784 of 23916
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Originally Posted by Scuzzo View Post

can you recomend me a good brand of DVD RW either + or - that is nice and compatible with the Mag 2160?

i bought some memorex from Wally mart and im getting bad burns.. a bargin is not a bargin if have the box gives up the ghost..

im thinking just stick with sony..

any suggestions.. also..
is there some way of temporary marking dvd rw disc.. im getting quite mixed up with what is on what disc after backing up my 160 gb HD..

wow.. im being a bit of a pest...

well thanks for the great thread..

Everything you need to know on DVDs should be here.

For temp. marking RW discs, I put a post-it note on the front inside cover of the plastic clamshell case I keep them in.

Crayola also makes a water-based marker than could be washed off with damp/slightly wet paper towel when changing stuff.
post #10785 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Moved from separate thread.


How are you connected to TV... HDMI, Component, Composite YWR+L/R audio, or S-Video+L/R audio?

Oops, I didn't expect a response so quickly. They are connected with the YWR wires.
Nana B.
post #10786 of 23916
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Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

Oops, I didn't expect a response so quickly. They are connected with the YWR wires.

There's only one setting that can affect analog audio output: Channel > TV Audio Select, which defaults to the normal "Stereo" but if changed to SAP could affect audio output. Check that setting, altho I doubt that's it.

There *might* be some "exotic" explanations for video output but no audio:
1. A TV setting. Check your TV's Audio menus?
2. Bad cables or end connectors (like galvanizing of the end plugs). Unplug and replug both ends of the RW audio cables, with a "twist" once reseated in the plugs?
3. Something else. Leave unit(s) unplugged for as long as possible, then do another Soft Reset (2.a here)?
post #10787 of 23916
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!! I took your instructions to my OTA setup - turned on the TV and the 3576 - and before I could touch any button on either remote, I HEARD SOUND --- as if nothing was ever wrong?????? Any guess as to what happened?

BTW, when I called for service, it seems like I should have been told about the Soft Reset (nothing about that in the manual) before telling me to pack it up and send it in for repair.

Nana B.
post #10788 of 23916
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!! I took your instructions to my OTA setup - turned on the TV and the 3576 - and before I could touch any button on either remote, I HEARD SOUND --- as if nothing was ever wrong?????? Any guess as to what happened?

No clue here, but "off-time" esp, "unplugged time" works wonders!

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Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

BTW, when I called for service, it seems like I should have been told about the Soft Reset (nothing about that in the manual) before telling me to pack it up and send it in for repair.

The Soft Reset was a very early remedy from a Philips CSR, so maybe Philips didn't pass that tidbit on to Funai?
post #10789 of 23916
I'm still curious as to the cause of this sound problem, but I'm SO happy that I don't have to ship my unit out for repair. THANK YOU VERY MUCH (again, after 2 years). From now on if ANYTHING goes wrong with any of my electronic equipment, I will search for a solution here on the AV Forum. Woja, you're my hero : ) : ) Have a grrreat day!
post #10790 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

No clue here, but "off-time" esp, "unplugged time" works wonders!


The Soft Reset was a very early remedy from a Philips CSR, so maybe Philips didn't pass that tidbit on to Funai?

Nice to have 'wajo' to refer to...learned to use him first, rather than dealing with the Comp Serv reps.

Having said that...NanaB, this may not be a direct correlation to your sound problem since I have a different provider but...I had the same thing happen to me. One minute I had sound the next minute nothing, zero, zip.
Checked all the connections etc. and of course the 'mute' button on the remote (as it activates the TV mute).
Then called one of the techies who had changed out my DVR. He told me that they'd been having problems with the sound muting automatically on the DVR, NOT the TV. This happens when a certain number of keys on the remote are pressed. Problem is that the DVR then has to be reset to 'default', which means that it also needs to be reset to operate the TV. In other words a real PITA! Techie helped by giving me an extra remote with the codes preset so all I do is grab that and press a button to undo the mute on the DVR, without messing up the other functions. Ask your provider if that has been a complaint from other customers.
post #10791 of 23916
I’m really glad I didn’t have to “reset to default!”
Where did you get that extra remote programmed?
When you say “provider,” do you mean the manufacturer? It sounds like something I might need in the future : )
Nana B.
post #10792 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Everything you need to know on DVDs should be here.

For temp. marking RW discs, I put a post-it note on the front inside cover of the plastic clamshell case I keep them in.

Crayola also makes a water-based marker than could be washed off with damp/slightly wet paper towel when changing stuff.

Re: temporarily marking DVDs...post it notes are a good idea, but you may want to invest in a DVD 'album'. I use a smaller 15 page 2 pockets/page one and write on the pocket sleeve with an ink that can be wiped off.
Another option I've used is to keep a log of the RW discs, and correlate it by number to the DVD, which I identify by writing the number on the 'clear' inner portion of the DVD. When I've re-written an RW, I'd just line out the old contents for that RW disc number and write in the new contents.

Just another option.
post #10793 of 23916
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Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

I'm really glad I didn't have to reset to default!
Where did you get that extra remote programmed?
When you say provider, do you mean the manufacturer? It sounds like something I might need in the future : )
Nana B.

Provider is the 'cable company'. in your case, or any source that provides you with your broadcast, i.e. satellite, cable, fiber optic.

The provider techie actually came by the house and gave it to me after I complained to him and the provider telephone 'rep' (who was useless) numerous times, and he admitted that it was a common complaint. It's not a big deal. He just gave me an additional remote, programmed it such that I wouldn't have to reprogram and reset mine every time the sound from my DVR/STB went dead (muted). Now when I loose sound I pick up the other remote and press a key.
post #10794 of 23916
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Fixed #25.

The Rec Mode on DVD is taken care of in item #1 of Wish List.

I understood #1 to be the name given/changed by the user (us), not the DVD description automatically generated by Funai. If I interpreted that incorrectly, then were all set. I just don't want to manually have to put the quality/speed of the dubbed DVD on the disc.
post #10795 of 23916
I'll be calling my cable provider (Dish) to ask if I could get a pre-programmed remote too for future use. But today's problem was with my set up for local programming only with an outside antenna (I have a 2nd set up for cable only). Thanks for the info. Wish me luck
post #10796 of 23916
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

Nice to have 'wajo' to refer to...learned to use him first, rather than dealing with the Comp Serv reps.

Having said that...NanaB, this may not be a direct correlation to your sound problem since I have a different provider but...I had the same thing happen to me. One minute I had sound the next minute nothing, zero, zip.
Checked all the connections etc. and of course the 'mute' button on the remote (as it activates the TV mute).
Then called one of the techies who had changed out my DVR. He told me that they'd been having problems with the sound muting automatically on the DVR, NOT the TV. This happens when a certain number of keys on the remote are pressed. Problem is that the DVR then has to be reset to 'default', which means that it also needs to be reset to operate the TV. In other words a real PITA! Techie helped by giving me an extra remote with the codes preset so all I do is grab that and press a button to undo the mute on the DVR, without messing up the other functions. Ask your provider if that has been a complaint from other customers.

Often cable companies try to keep the customer in the dark as to features and configuration of DVRs. Cable companies seldom provide an original copy of the DVR user's guide. One is lucky to get a single photocopied page with some very basic information concerning connectivity or such. DVR user manuals are sometimes found as PDF files on the DVR manufacturer's website. Since DVRs may not be purchased by cable company customers in the USA the user manuals are sometimes harder to locate.

Motorola DVR user guides are not found on the Motorola "consumer" website. Motorola DVR user guides are found on the Motorola "business" website:

http://www.motorola.com/Business/US-...l+QAM+Set-tops

Pace DVR user guides are found after some digging at the Comcast website.

For other DVR brands, e.g. Scientific Atlanta, DVR user guides might be found on the manufacturer website or the cable company website.
post #10797 of 23916
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Originally Posted by Nana B View Post

I'll be calling my cable provider (Dish) to ask if I could get a pre-programmed remote too for future use. But today's problem was with my set up for local programming only with an outside antenna (I have a 2nd set up for cable only). Thanks for the info. Wish me luck

Remember that my 'sound/mute' problem may not be that for other providers, even if they have the same brand/model DVR (mine is a Motorola VIP 1225, 250GB). Just something to keep in mind if all 'obvious' problems have been reviewed.
On a very old unit I had, the STB's audio board was faulty, but only exhibited problems when the temperature was high.
post #10798 of 23916
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Originally Posted by hollandboy View Post

I understood #1 to be the name given/changed by the user (us), not the DVD description automatically generated by Funai. If I interpreted that incorrectly, then were all set. I just don't want to manually have to put the quality/speed of the dubbed DVD on the disc.

Perhaps you can restate the question? If I insert a DVD+RW, then hit the DVD button, a title list displays. In the upper right corner is the DVD burning "quality". With HQ the default is 1 hour. There is an empty title (removable with a process described in the help files) of 7 minutes. Since the 2160 does not allow you to change the bit rate of any mode, you lose 10% of the disk space when only placing one title on the disk in HQ mode. That's just the way it works. I've just started using DVD+-RW disks, so I'm still learning.
post #10799 of 23916
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Perhaps you can restate the question? If I insert a DVD+RW, then hit the DVD button, a title list displays. In the upper right corner is the DVD burning "quality". With HQ the default is 1 hour. There is an empty title (removable with a process described in the help files) of 7 minutes. Since the 2160 does not allow you to change the bit rate of any mode, you lose 10% of the disk space when only placing one title on the disk in HQ mode. That's just the way it works. I've just started using DVD+-RW disks, so I'm still learning.

Bolded part not true.

When an unfinalized disc is loaded, the current default rec mode is shown in the upper right corner of the Title menu, and the Empty Title shows time remaining at teh current default rec mode.

If you press the Rec Mode button while viewing the Empty Title, you'll see that it changes to show the time remaining at each rec mode selected.

At HQ rec mode, 1-hour exactly should fill up a disc when real-time recording or dubbing to it.

If doing a HSD, the total time that can fit is ~1:04:55.
post #10800 of 23916
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

When you refer to a "DVR" are you referring to a DVR provided by DirectTV? Or are you referring to the Magnavox HDD/DVD recorder? That's where it's difficult to follow your descriptions because the Magnavox is NOT a DVR. DVRs do not have the ability to record to DVDs, for that you use a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder like the Magnavox.

All "channel" changing is done with the DirectTV receiver. The Magnavox will not tune DirectTV "channels" as they are scrambled and require the DirectTV receiver or DirectTV DVR to tune and unscramble the "channels." Once a DirectTV receiver line output is connected to a Magnavox line input use the Magnavox remote control SOURCE button to select that input as the signal source. Record to the Magnavox's internal hard drive from that line input. For unattended timer recording tune the DirectTV receiver to the "channel" you wish to record and be sure to select the correct Magnavox line input as the signal source.

Digado,

Sorry, yes I was referring to the Magnavox HD2160 HDD DVDR or however it is called. I think after 3 or 4 acronyms my brain gets fuzzy..

So what you are saying is due to satellite having the scrambled signal that can only be decoded through the DirecTV box, there is no way to have Timer Programming work without manually tuning the TV (and DirecTV box) to the channel first?

If so, that is absolutely stupid. Since I am on a tech forum could I ask is there a technical reason for this? Or is it just an excuse for satellite companies to make us buy their branded loaner DVRs and $10 a month DVR service?

Thank you for your help! At least I finally got it hooked up correctly!
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

donk, with satellite TV, your 513 tuner is useless... it can't decrypt the D*TV signal, so nothing gets connected to the coax (ANT IN).

The 513 can ONLY record from L1 or L2 so every timer will have L1 or L2 as the source ("CH" box).

You need to connect either composite Y or S-Video + L/R audio from the D*TV receiver to L1 or L2 on the 513.

You need a separate connection from the 513 to your TV to see anything internal from the 513 (menus, HDD titles, DVDs). NOTHING internal gets transmitted from the 513 thru its coax.

To timer record something from the sat receiver, set the receiver to Record at a certain time and set a coordinated timer in the 513 for the same start and stop times.

For a "manual" (non-timer) recording, set the sat rec. on the channel you want to record, then press the Rec button on the 513 multiple times until you see the amount of Rec time on the TV screen, lower left corner. Each press of the Rec button adds 30 min. to the Rec time.

Now, if you want to get fancy, you can ADD cable TV or an antenna and connect to the coax (ANT IN) on the 513, do an Auto Channel Preset in the 513 (scan for channels), THEN you can also record whatever channels the 513 can receive that way.

With just the D*TV service, you won't need the 513's tuner and can only record whatever the sat receiver tunes.

Clear as mud?

Thanks for the your reply! Maybe there is still hope? From your response it seems like if I connected composite cables it might work?? Yes a lot of that was clear as mud but unbelievably I actually understood a bit of it! Adding cable is not an option - I want to move FAR away from that road
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