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post #14101 of 23768
5/6/11 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

What size TV does she have? You may have to weigh the benefit of "helping her obtain" a new one to the "trouble you will go through" until she does get one? One could probably "get by" obtaining the next size down 16:9 LCD as compared to getting the same size as the 4:3 IMO.


I think she has a 32". She is just of a mindset that she's not going to change it right now. She has not asked me very often lately to make her DVDs (and I do have 3 other recorders on which I record the analog channels so that's no problem if it was on one of those). This time, her cable company DVR conked out while she was on vacation so it wasn't planned and I happened to have recorded that show for myself on the Magnavox in 16:9.
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post #14102 of 23768
5/6/11 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

DVDShrink won't work for me on 2160A produced DVDs. Says "invalid DVD navigation structure".

scott s.
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Are you ignoring the Video_RM folder, i.e., not involving it at all, maybe even deleting it before importing?
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post #14103 of 23768
5/6/11 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by EPlay View Post

I think she has a 32". She is just of a mindset that she's not going to change it right now. She has not asked me very often lately to make her DVDs (and I do have 3 other recorders on which I record the analog channels so that's no problem if it was on one of those). This time, her cable company DVR conked out while she was on vacation so it wasn't planned and I happened to have recorded that show for myself on the Magnavox in 16:9.

I've tried all kinds of ways to trick that 16:9 recording on your HDD to see if I could make a 4:3 DVD copy, and all were no-go. Even using an external player (a Philips and a Panasonic) and setting all machines to 4:3 LB won't change the aspect on a title already recorded on the HDD.
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post #14104 of 23768
5/6/11 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by EPlay View Post

I think she has a 32". She is just of a mindset that she's not going to change it right now. She has not asked me very often lately to make her DVDs (and I do have 3 other recorders on which I record the analog channels so that's no problem if it was on one of those). This time, her cable company DVR conked out while she was on vacation so it wasn't planned and I happened to have recorded that show for myself on the Magnavox in 16:9.

Should you, or any other person run into a old entertainment box issue, I have a suggestion. A 27" tube TV is very popular. People (like my relatives) found that you can't fit a 32" panel in the hole. If they don't want to do a major remodel, you can suggest an "extender" that gives you a mounting surface for that flat panel that is secured to the furniture TV hole. Any Lowe's has a 5/8" x 2' x 2' piece of particle board (item 4508) that you can trim by cutting the front edges, and make a simple extension to the furniture. Cost is under $5, and you can paint it flat black or whatever matches. I've done three so far and it's the easiest solution to the tube-to-flat panel conversion problem.
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post #14105 of 23768
5/6/11 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

DVDShrink won't work for me on 2160A produced DVDs. Says "invalid DVD navigation structure".

scott s.
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Did you finalize the DVD? What kind of DVD was it recorded on?
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post #14106 of 23768
5/6/11 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post
Are you ignoring the Video_RM folder, i.e., not involving it at all, maybe even deleting it before importing?
JimLely and I both independently verified that discs made on Philips/Funai DVD recorders (DVDR72, 3576, 2160A are the 3 we have verified) do not work with DVDShrink if they have more than one title on them. I did a DVDDecrypter of one of my discs (VIDEO_TS folder only, no VIDEO_RM) in file mode to my HDD on my computer, and DVDSHrink still chokes on the VIDEO_TS folder with "invalid DVD navigation structure." If there is only one title on the disc, DVDShrink works fine. Not sure if the type of disc matters, I only use +R media.
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post #14107 of 23768
5/6/11 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Is the WS flag stored in the IFOs or VOBs? I ask because my camcorder is notorious for not setting the flag properly, and when I upload VOBs to youtube that play in the proper aspect ratio on my computer, they lose their widescreen aspect when played thru youtube.

It's in the IOF files for sure. That's where I always edit the WS flag. I have not looked at the VOB files so not sure if there is a way to manipulate them. (IFOedit tool only open IFOs, not VOBs).
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post #14108 of 23768
5/6/11 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Is the WS flag stored in the IFOs or VOBs?

The .ifo file is the information object. It contains all the menu navigation, flags, title information, playlists and the chapter skip points. The .VOB files are just the A/V container files that contain the audio, video (MPEG2) and subtitle streams. Think of them as simple .MPG video files, which they are.
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post #14109 of 23768
5/6/11 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

DVDShrink won't work for me on 2160A produced DVDs. Says "invalid DVD navigation structure".

Not good. That means the .ifo file is not being authored to spec. Do you have that "compatibility mode" turned on? There are free helper apps at Videohelp.com that will fix a non-standard DVD authoring. You may have to run it through one of those first.
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post #14110 of 23768
5/7/11 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Did you finalize the DVD? What kind of DVD was it recorded on?

It was finalized, on a DVD-R. All the source titles were recorded at SP resolution (if that makes a difference). Examining the VTS ifo on the DVD, it looks "wrong" (After dubbing for example 4 titles and finializing, the ifo will show 10 programs. 4 that were dubbed, then the "empty title", and 4+1 additional programs that point to the same DVD sectors. I have about 30 DVDs made with the Maggie this way, and all I check look like this.

Looking on line, I found a suggestion to use VobBlanker. I did that. It seems like that program has many options, but I pretty much just read the dvd and then saved it. After that DVD Shrink could read the ifo OK. So I did a re-author using DVD shrink which created separate VTS streams for each of the titles on the DVD. Once I had that, I used another program I came across, PGCedit (this one also has many options), which I used to reset the DAR to 16:9 on the 2 titles that were recorded from 1080i DTV. The other 2 titles were from 480i DTV so I left them at 4:3. At that point I converted each of the VTS's using mkvmergeGUI as suggested earlier, which just converted the file container format to mkv. I suppose you could use something else for avi if that was wanted.

None of the steps was hard, but it seems like to accomplish almost anything with video, (at least if you use freeware), you have to create a work flow with 3 or 4 programs to achieve what you want.

My workflow was this:
1. HSD titles from HDD to DVD-R on the Maggie 2160A and finalize
2. Read the VIDEO_TS folder on DVD with VOB blanker and save to PC HD
3. Use DVD shrink in re-author mode to convert the single VTS that the Maggie creates (containing all dubbed titles) into separate VTS ifo/vob files (one VTS per title)
4. Use PGCedit to correct aspect ratio (may not be required if original titles were 4:3)
5. Use mkvmergeGUI (or alternative) to convert from ifo/vob to mkv.

scott s.
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post #14111 of 23768
5/7/11 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

It was finalized, on a DVD-R. All the source titles were recorded at SP resolution (if that makes a difference). Examining the VTS ifo on the DVD, it looks "wrong" (After dubbing for example 4 titles and finializing, the ifo will show 10 programs. 4 that were dubbed, then the "empty title", and 4+1 additional programs that point to the same DVD sectors. I have about 30 DVDs made with the Maggie this way, and all I check look like this.

Looking on line, I found a suggestion to use VobBlanker. I did that. It seems like that program has many options, but I pretty much just read the dvd and then saved it. After that DVD Shrink could read the ifo OK. So I did a re-author using DVD shrink which created separate VTS streams for each of the titles on the DVD. Once I had that, I used another program I came across, PGCedit (this one also has many options), which I used to reset the DAR to 16:9 on the 2 titles that were recorded from 1080i DTV. The other 2 titles were from 480i DTV so I left them at 4:3. At that point I converted each of the VTS's using mkvmergeGUI as suggested earlier, which just converted the file container format to mkv. I suppose you could use something else for avi if that was wanted.

None of the steps was hard, but it seems like to accomplish almost anything with video, (at least if you use freeware), you have to create a work flow with 3 or 4 programs to achieve what you want.

My workflow was this:
1. HSD titles from HDD to DVD-R on the Maggie 2160A and finalize
2. Read the VIDEO_TS folder on DVD with VOB blanker and save to PC HD
3. Use DVD shrink in re-author mode to convert the single VTS that the Maggie creates (containing all dubbed titles) into separate VTS ifo/vob files (one VTS per title)
4. Use PGCedit to correct aspect ratio (may not be required if original titles were 4:3)
5. Use mkvmergeGUI (or alternative) to convert from ifo/vob to mkv.

scott s.
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If you don't care about the separate titles, then there are only 3 steps (4 steps if aspect ratio must be correct) using 1 program.

1. HSD titles from HDD to DVD-R on the Maggie 2160A and finalize
2. Copy the VIDEO_TS folder on DVD to PC HD
3. Use mkvmergeGUI (or alternative) to convert from vobs to mkv.

Also, using MkvmergeGUI, you can add chapters into the MKV file at a certain interval like every 5 or 10 minutes.
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post #14112 of 23768
5/7/11 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

It was finalized, on a DVD-R. All the source titles were recorded at SP resolution (if that makes a difference). Examining the VTS ifo on the DVD, it looks "wrong" (After dubbing for example 4 titles and finializing, the ifo will show 10 programs. 4 that were dubbed, then the "empty title", and 4+1 additional programs that point to the same DVD sectors. I have about 30 DVDs made with the Maggie this way, and all I check look like this.

Besides trying Bodhi78's solution above, do a test for me: use your normal copy-to-PC procedure BUT FIRST DELETE the Video_RM folder so your apps don't even see it... just to see if the structure looks more normal from the get-go.

Maybe also follow this guidance from AfterDawn noted in my previous post:

"Simple fixes include loading the DVD in File mode on certain DVD re-authoring programs and deleting anything associated with the Video_RM folder, then compiling a new, clean ISO."
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post #14113 of 23768
5/7/11 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

It was finalized, on a DVD-R. All the source titles were recorded at SP resolution (if that makes a difference). Examining the VTS ifo on the DVD, it looks "wrong" (After dubbing for example 4 titles and finializing, the ifo will show 10 programs. 4 that were dubbed, then the "empty title", and 4+1 additional programs that point to the same DVD sectors. I have about 30 DVDs made with the Maggie this way, and all I check look like this.

Looking on line, I found a suggestion to use VobBlanker. I did that. It seems like that program has many options, but I pretty much just read the dvd and then saved it. After that DVD Shrink could read the ifo OK. So I did a re-author using DVD shrink which created separate VTS streams for each of the titles on the DVD. Once I had that, I used another program I came across, PGCedit (this one also has many options), which I used to reset the DAR to 16:9 on the 2 titles that were recorded from 1080i DTV. The other 2 titles were from 480i DTV so I left them at 4:3. At that point I converted each of the VTS's using mkvmergeGUI as suggested earlier, which just converted the file container format to mkv. I suppose you could use something else for avi if that was wanted.

None of the steps was hard, but it seems like to accomplish almost anything with video, (at least if you use freeware), you have to create a work flow with 3 or 4 programs to achieve what you want.

My workflow was this:
1. HSD titles from HDD to DVD-R on the Maggie 2160A and finalize
2. Read the VIDEO_TS folder on DVD with VOB blanker and save to PC HD
3. Use DVD shrink in re-author mode to convert the single VTS that the Maggie creates (containing all dubbed titles) into separate VTS ifo/vob files (one VTS per title)
4. Use PGCedit to correct aspect ratio (may not be required if original titles were 4:3)
5. Use mkvmergeGUI (or alternative) to convert from ifo/vob to mkv.

scott s.
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I never tried DVD Shrink on a Magnavox DVD that had multiple titles. It has always worked for me on finalized DVD-Rs with one title.

I just burned two HDD titles to a DVD-R with HSD, overwrote the empty space and deleted the empty space title and finalized the disc. DVD Shrink couldn't read it. MakeMKV had some trouble and could only make a MKV file from one of the two titles on the DVD.

I ripped the entire disk to ISO with an expired trial of DVDFab 8, then processed the ISO in MakeMKV. That worked fine.
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post #14114 of 23768
5/7/11 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

I never tried DVD Shrink on a Magnavox DVD that had multiple titles. It has always worked for me on finalized DVD-Rs with one title.

I just burned two HDD titles to a DVD-R with HSD, overwrote the empty space and deleted the empty space title and finalized the disc. DVD Shrink couldn't read it. MakeMKV had some trouble and could only make a MKV file from one of the two titles on the DVD.

I ripped the entire disk to ISO with an expired trial of DVDFab 8, then processed the ISO in MakeMKV. That worked fine.

I wonder if deleting the overwritten Empty Title may be a problem for DVD Shrink (and other apps)? They might still be able to see the data left behind or something like that? Try leaving the Empty Space alone?
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post #14115 of 23768
5/7/11 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I wonder if deleting the overwritten Empty Title may be a problem for DVD Shrink (and other apps)? They might still be able to see the data left behind or something like that???

DVD Shrink and MakeMKV both work with one title DVD-Rs with the empty title deleted.
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post #14116 of 23768
5/7/11 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

DVD Shrink and MakeMKV both work with one title DVD-Rs with the empty title deleted.

Also, I've never deleted the empty title and still had problems with DVD Shrink on DVDs with more than one title.
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post #14117 of 23768
5/7/11 at 11:10am
Anyone else order a new unit from Walmart online and recieve a previously used unit instead?

I ordered a new 515 from Walmart online (Serial # U52016738; Md# MDR515H/F7), but when I turned it on for the first time it went directly to an analog cable channel, and there was a poor quality recording of an old episode of "Inside Edition" on the HDD.

I refused to return it until I received a new unit as originally ordered, but the new (Mfgr date: Dec 2010) unit has the start-up analog channel snap/crackle/pop freeze-up problem similar to so many others.

JAMM
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post #14118 of 23768
5/7/11 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by THE JAMM View Post

Anyone else order a new unit from Walmart online and recieve a previously used unit instead?

I ordered a new 515 from Walmart online (Serial # U52016738; Md# MDR515H/F7), but when I turned it on for the first time it went directly to an analog cable channel, and there was a poor quality recording of an old episode of "Inside Edition" on the HDD.

I refused to return it until I received a new unit as originally ordered, but the new (Mfgr date: Dec 2010) unit has the start-up analog channel snap/crackle/pop freeze-up problem similar to so many others.

JAMM



I hope you live near Los Angeles, cuz 234 (Funai rep. on our thread) is looking for someone there who can either bring their unit to the Funai office and let an engineer check it out, OR he offered one person to SEND the Engineer to the user's home to check it out. That person never responded to his follow-up emails.

I hope you kept the other unit cuz it might be OK. You can check its usage history using the SKIP codes, if you still have it, and that might help you decide? They might offer you a "refurb" price???

You'll need more than one anyway... I plan to have all 515's in the near future... my wife/CFO SUGGESTED it!

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post #14119 of 23768
5/7/11 at 12:05pm
Toooo far away in N.O. Louisiana, but believe my experience has been very similar to others' snap/crackle/pop/freeze up's situations.

When turned on to analog channel, the 515 crackles & pops, video goes to blank screen, audio is OK, but no buttons on box or remote work at all - it freezes up completely at that point. Unplug for 2 1/2 hours, then plug in while holding power button, and unit works flawlessly - except digital channels are lost as expected. The unit continues to work flawlessly for days, until I re-scan DTV/Cable to obtain the digital channels - then the 515 crackles/pops/freezes whenever it is turned on to an analog channel.

I can get the Dec 2010 unit's model & serial number and I'm willing to help 234 as long as I do not have to eat the purchase price of the unit. Also, I still have the other unit and I'm checking it out now to probably keep as you recommend - skip test showed only 9 hours used on the HDD.

Thanks,

JAMM
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post #14120 of 23768
5/7/11 at 12:18pm
I tried to make a copy of my two title Magnavox DVD-R with Roxio. It read the original DVD-R then it asked me to insert a blank writable DVD+R. What gives? I don't have any "+" media. It rejected a DVD-R and a DVD-RAM.
So...
I made a new DVD-R with Windows Disc Image Burner using the ISO image created in DVDFab 8. The new disc doesn't have the Video_RM folder. MakeMKV and DVD Shrink can read the new disc.
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post #14121 of 23768
5/7/11 at 12:52pm
Hey, HDD upgrade question.
I'm swapping out some PC drives, and I'm going to be left with an old PATA 200gb drive. I realize that's a small upgrade to my Philips 3576, but it's still 25% bigger.

Anyway, the drive is a Hitachi 7k250. Part of the problem is that the drive was non-standard (I believe a Circuit City exclusive). The series had sizes of 80, 120, 160 and 250gb but this is 200gb. Unfortunately that means I can't give you specific stats for this drive, but assuming the worst (250gb's power draw):

Idle Average Total Watts: 7.6W (thought it might be 7.0 for the PATA models)
And the biggest number is Random R/W Peak: 10.6W.

Does that sound like too big of a power draw for the 3576? Also, is heat an issue?
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post #14122 of 23768
5/7/11 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Besides trying Bodhi78's solution above, do a test for me: use your normal copy-to-PC procedure BUT FIRST DELETE the Video_RM folder so your apps don't even see it... just to see if the structure looks more normal from the get-go.

I have done this many times. Also ripped with DVD decypter, with and without AUDIO_TS folders, etc. I ran procmon to look at DVD shrink, and all that program looks at is the VIDEO_TS folder and then runs through all the ifo and vob files that are in the folder.

I'm pretty sure the problem is the ifo file that the 2160A is creating. Some programs can use it, some can't, but even the ones that can use it show two titles for every physical title on the disk.

This is what the PGCedit program shows for the disK:

DVD: "D:/VIDEO_TS"
DVD-TEXT General Name: ""
Provider ID: "DVD-VR01"
Number of VTS: 1

VMG , First-Play PGC
VMGM , LU 1 (--) , 1 (0:01) 33b. TitleM (Programs: 3, Cells: 3)
VMGM , LU 1 (--) , 2 (dummy)
VMGM , LU 1 (--) , 3 (dummy)

VTSM 1 , LU 1 (--) , 1 (dummy) RootM
VTST 1 , 1 TTN 1 (1:34:06) Title 1 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 23)
VTST 1 , 2 TTN 2 (1:03:57) Title 2 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 16)
VTST 1 , 3 TTN 3 (1:22:56) Title 3 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 20)
VTST 1 , 4 TTN 4 (1:35:55) Title 4 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 23)
VTST 1 , 5 TTN 5 (0:01) Title 5 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 1)
VTST 1 , 6 TTN 6 (1:34:06) Title 6 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 23)
VTST 1 , 7 TTN 7 (1:03:57) Title 7 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 16)
VTST 1 , 8 TTN 8 (1:22:56) Title 8 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 20)
VTST 1 , 9 TTN 9 (1:35:55) Title 9 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 23)
VTST 1 , 10 TTN 10 (0:01) Title 10 (Chapters: 1, Programs: 1, Cells: 1)

Edit: I should note that I did no editing of the DVD before finalizing. My guess is that the apparent ifo problems are due to the way the data are written for -VR editing on the disk. I suppose I should burn some test disks with different titles and edits and see what the difference is in the resulting DVD files.


scott s.
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post #14123 of 23768
5/7/11 at 1:54pm
I thought I'd mention this in case some among us not aware of. After copy the Video_TS folder from the DVD to the PC hard disk, there is actually no need to do anything more if you only want to play the video on the PC or some media player. Most media players will play the folder fine, just select the VIDEO_TS.IFO, and it will play like a DVD.

So the bottom line is if the purpose is to archive and play the video on some media player on PC (Windows Media Player, XBMC,...) , or some stand-alone media players such as the Seagate FreeAgent, WD Live, Asus Oplay,.... there is no need to do anything more than:

1. HSD titles from HDD to DVD-+RW on the Maggie 2160/A and finalize (if needed)
2. Copy the VIDEO_TS folder on DVD to PC hard disk

OTOH, if DVD-+R authoring is needed so that you can give it to somebody, or play it other set-top DVD player then do DVD authoring step (I would recommend ImgBurn for this). Or use MkvToolnix (or alternative) to combine the vobs from mutiple titles into mkv so that it can be archived in one file.
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post #14124 of 23768
5/7/11 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by scott967 View Post

I have done this many times. Also ripped with DVD decypter, with and without AUDIO_TS folders, etc. I ran procmon to look at DVD shrink, and all that program looks at is the VIDEO_TS folder and then runs through all the ifo and vob files that are in the folder.

I'm pretty sure the problem is the ifo file that the 2160A is creating. Some programs can use it, some can't, but even the ones that can use it show two titles for every physical title on the disk.

If you're saying you deleted the Video_RM folder before accessing it with the PC app, you are prob. right. If you have been leaving the RM folder and the "program looks at the Video_TS folder," do you know for sure that it's not also "accessing" or bringing some info from the Video_RM folder which the +VR system associates with the TS files?
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post #14125 of 23768
5/7/11 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

...... So, are you saying that a program like DVD Shrink, specifically, cannot read and handle a DVD created on the Magnavox -- and I mean a DVD that can be played in a stand-alone DVD player.

jjeff, you are using Shrink and I believe you have one of these Magnavox units. Can you try it out?

I don't have a Magnavox but I do have a -R DVD that I recorded when I had a Philips 3575. It has multiple titles done in different modes and contains the empty title. I just tried reading the disc(that reads just fine on my DVD players) with Shrink and encountered the error DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue. Invalid DVD navigation structure

On a PC the disc contains 2 folders, Video_RM and video_ts

I got the same error trying to backup a +R disc recorded on a Ilo(+ only machine) and a +R disc recorded on a Centrios(+ only machine) and a -R disc recorded on a Liteon(+ preferred machine) and a SVCD recorded on the Liteon.

Guess what this tells me is Shrink isn't a good program to use when backing up DVD recorded on + based machines, whether recorded on a + or for those machines that also record to - media.
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post #14126 of 23768
5/7/11 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Guess what this tells me is Shrink isn't a good program to use when backing up DVD recorded on + based machines, whether recorded on a + or for those machines that also record to - media.

That seems like a fair conclusion. Shrink is a very vanilla old-school program and expects input that conforms to DVD-Video standards for .ifo file structure and content. Looks like these recorders are taking liberties with the standards. The best thing to do is use a helper app that will fix a non-standard .ifo file and make it into DVD-Video. Either that or just transfer one title at a time.
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post #14127 of 23768
5/7/11 at 8:14pm
The free version of DVD Fab will copy a dvd-/+r_rw where DVD Shrink won't.

http://club.myce.com/f116/dvdfab-qt-...2011-a-321210/
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5/8/11 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

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Anyway, the drive is a Hitachi 7k250. Part of the problem is that the drive was non-standard (I believe a Circuit City exclusive). The series had sizes of 80, 120, 160 and 250gb but this is 200gb. Unfortunately that means I can't give you specific stats for this drive, but assuming the worst (250gb's power draw):

Idle Average Total Watts: 7.6W (thought it might be 7.0 for the PATA models)
And the biggest number is Random R/W Peak: 10.6W.

Does that sound like too big of a power draw for the 3576? Also, is heat an issue?

That is a power hungry drive. It probably would work but it may only format to 160 Gigs. Heat and power are both issues to keep an eye on. I wouldn't recommend that upgrade.

PATA 500G drives are still available and are fairly affordable as well. If you can spare the money I would get a lower power new drive.
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post #14129 of 23768
5/8/11 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Hey, HDD upgrade question.
I'm swapping out some PC drives, and I'm going to be left with an old PATA 200gb drive. I realize that's a small upgrade to my Philips 3576, but it's still 25% bigger.

Anyway, the drive is a Hitachi 7k250. Part of the problem is that the drive was non-standard (I believe a Circuit City exclusive). The series had sizes of 80, 120, 160 and 250gb but this is 200gb. Unfortunately that means I can't give you specific stats for this drive, but assuming the worst (250gb's power draw):

Idle Average Total Watts: 7.6W (thought it might be 7.0 for the PATA models)
And the biggest number is Random R/W Peak: 10.6W.

Does that sound like too big of a power draw for the 3576? Also, is heat an issue?

Hitachi quites the actual number of bytes as the size, not in powers of 1024, so they would say 250 GB = 250,000,000,000 which is perhaps 232 GB as usually quoted.

You might format it and see how many actual bytes that reports.

I doubt that they made a special version for Circuit City if it has a Hitachi part number and serial number.
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post #14130 of 23768
5/8/11 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Hey, HDD upgrade question.
I'm swapping out some PC drives, and I'm going to be left with an old PATA 200gb drive. I realize that's a small upgrade to my Philips 3576, but it's still 25% bigger.

Anyway, the drive is a Hitachi 7k250. Part of the problem is that the drive was non-standard (I believe a Circuit City exclusive). The series had sizes of 80, 120, 160 and 250gb but this is 200gb. Unfortunately that means I can't give you specific stats for this drive, but assuming the worst (250gb's power draw):

Idle Average Total Watts: 7.6W (thought it might be 7.0 for the PATA models)
And the biggest number is Random R/W Peak: 10.6W.

Does that sound like too big of a power draw for the 3576? Also, is heat an issue?

Hitachi manufactured the Deskstar 7K250 series in both parallel and serial versions and according to the published specifications, idle power draw is actually lower on parallel units vs. serial units. However, I would be extremely careful in replacing any HDD with a different type, as a replacement having higher current draw than the original, could cause one or more components in the power supply of your Philips 3576 to fail. (Same applys to all Maggie upgrades, as Wajo and others have repeatedly warned.) As a general rule, current draw from any power supply should not exceed 80% of its maximum rated output. (In aviation, this is a FAA regulation.)

7K270 Idle (W) Specs:
PATA
5.0 (1 disk )
5.9 (2 disks)
7.0 (3 disks)
SATA
5.6 (1 disk )
6.5 (2 disks)
7.6 (3 disks)

Deskstar 7K250 Documentation (pdf):
General Info:
PATA Specifications:
SATA Specifications:
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