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post #14371 of 25426
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Yes, setting a timer program is easy, and you can program shows back-to-back on diff. channels, diff. rec modes, diff. aspect ratios, etc., as described here.

One person set up only 6 timer programs to record 36 shows while he was on a 3-1/2 week trip.

You CAN program and operate the Mag recorder remotely from *any* place in the world with a Slingbox, as described here.
post #14372 of 25426
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Originally Posted by patbbb View Post

Thanx for your info. FYI- am not looking to record different channels simultaneously. I'd like to record FOX @ 6:00-700pm, then ABC @ 7:00-730, and CNN later in evening. Want to program this while I'm away from home. Can it be done simply?

If you can receive OTA with an antenna, there might be a method you could live with for that specific recording scenario. You could connect the antenna to the Magnavox tuner to record the OTA (FOX and ABC) signals using the Magnavox OTA tuner and schedule the Magnavox to use the Composite Inputs to record the output of a cable box tuned to CNN.

If you lived where I do there would be an issue with those back to back recordings. I believe FOX times run true. A program scheduled for 6 to 7PM actually ends at 7PM. The major network affiliates (CBS, NBC and ABC ) start there 7PM programs at 6:58 or 6:59. The last minute or 2 on FOX would overlap the first minute or 2 on ABC. I saw someone refer to it as the Rocky Mountain minute. Prime Time is 7PM to 10PM here. By starting the 7PM program a minute early, they have an extra minute available to sell a Prime Time commercial since the 9PM program ends a minute earlier than it would have. This conspiracy theory may not really be true, but it sure seems plausible. I have not heard a better explanation for the noticeably early starts on the major networks. I am sure that the stations are off since I have a clock that syncs to WWV near the TV.
post #14373 of 25426
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Originally Posted by patbbb View Post
Magnavox told me I cannot set up the 513 or 515 to record on different channels without manually changing the station, which kind of defeats the auto recording. Guess I'm spoiled by the DISH receiver which was outstanding. I discontinued their service due to price increases. Can you recommend any digital DVR with tuner, hard drive recorder, watch live - tape another, freeze live TV, record different channels, etc.? I'm using basic Comcast service. They want $16 per month rental (includes HD which I don't need) and am trying to keep costs down.
Please note your reviews of the Magnavox were exceptionally helpful!
I have Comcast service too. I have a 3576 set up to record from the output of the cable box - not using the tuner. With the Comcast cable box, while in Guide mode, and with the program highlighted I want to record, press "Info" and choose "set or cancel a VCR recording". The program guide on screen will show a red dot in the guide description for the program. This action will turn on the cable box and tune the cable box to that channel at that time. Now you need to set up the recorder programming to record the cable box output at that same time. Now what will happen is that, at the prescribed time, the cable box will come on, switch to the correct channel, and the recorder will come on and record the cable box output.
post #14374 of 25426
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Originally Posted by dswensen View Post
I have Comcast service too. I have a 3576 set up to record from the output of the cable box - not using the tuner. With the Comcast cable box, while in Guide mode, and with the program highlighted I want to record, press "Menu" and choose "set to record with VCR" or something simliar to that. The program guide on screen will show a red dot in the guide description for the program. This action will turn on the cable box and tune the cable box to that channel at that time. Now you need to set up the recorder programming to record the cable box output at that same time. Now what will happen is that, at the prescribed time, the cable box will come on, switch to the correct channel, and the recorder will come on and record the cable box output.
What model box is it, and does it let you select more than one program to record, like for other times or other days of the week?
post #14375 of 25426
I have a Motorola HD non DVR box that is the same unit that can have a hard drive but without it. I have never found that method and I have poked around a bit to try and find something that would actually turn the box on and set the channel so I could at least record SD version of all the HD programs I used to be able to record in the clear easily with my 3575.
The box is a DCH-3200 and other then that problem it has about every output option known to man and after my Comcast sub contractor saw all my goodies hooked up he offered me that box so I could do as I pleased with all my devices.
The ONLY reason I now have HD service and a HD box and phone is because they finally offered me a HD triple play type option that now costs me less then internet, TV, and phone cost me before with even more channels and better phone service. The HD rental fee on the HD box was waived as well but I have to pay 5 bucks extra a month for the combo phone/modem box.
It was finally worth it too me to get a box and all my basic shows are now in HD with a few cool new channels as well. You might want to try calling them and complaining about the over priced service with no real HD and see if they offer you a similar deal.
It costs me about 130 a month for all 3 services now and it was costing me over 100 just for the net and non HD extended basic service with one of the "free" boxes so I could still watch all my extended basic channels that are now digital, and encrypted.
My phone bill before this was 50 or more a month so I am saving some money just on that alone and now get free North American long distance too and caller ID.
Anyways I'll have to try your idea and see if my box has a hidden option I missed. Sooner or later I'm getting a HD home run prime that will do 3 tuners and has a cable card that will network with my PC's and media center.
post #14376 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
I have a Motorola HD non DVR box that is the same unit that can have a hard drive but without it. I have never found that method and I have poked around a bit to try and find something that would actually turn the box on and set the channel so I could at least record SD version of all the HD programs I used to be able to record in the clear easily with my 3575.
The box is a DCH-3200 and other then that problem it has about every output option known to man and after my Comcast sub contractor saw all my goodies hooked up he offered me that box so I could do as I pleased with all my devices.
The ONLY reason I now have HD service and a HD box and phone is because they finally offered me a HD triple play type option that now costs me less then internet, TV, and phone cost me before with even more channels and better phone service. The HD rental fee on the HD box was waived as well but I have to pay 5 bucks extra a month for the combo phone/modem box.
It was finally worth it too me to get a box and all my basic shows are now in HD with a few cool new channels as well. You might want to try calling them and complaining about the over priced service with no real HD and see if they offer you a similar deal.
It costs me about 130 a month for all 3 services now and it was costing me over 100 just for the net and non HD extended basic service with one of the "free" boxes so I could still watch all my extended basic channels that are now digital, and encrypted.
My phone bill before this was 50 or more a month so I am saving some money just on that alone and now get free North American long distance too and caller ID.
Anyways I'll have to try your idea and see if my box has a hidden option I missed. Sooner or later I'm getting a HD home run prime that will do 3 tuners and has a cable card that will network with my PC's and media center.


I have a DCH3200, too, and will sugggest that you hang on to that puppy if they ever try to "upgrade" you because the new ones are not nearly as versatile. It does have a way to program recordings - you can set a timer several programs using the comcast guide -- you can't simply program the box directly, it has to be done through the guide as described above by dswenson. Then, once you have set that up, you ALSO have to set the dvd-recorder to turn on at that day and time to record (using the auxilliary input the box is connected to -- L1 or L2) . The moto box will change channels for you but I am pretty sure you have to leave it ON -- at least I do, to guarantee that it knows to make the switch. You can set it for a variety of programs - one time only, every saturday, m - f, etc... and it will remember a number of shows (sorry, I dont know exactly how many) but ... it will not actually trigger a recording (even though it says it has done that). You must duplicate the times on your magnavox. If you have trouble finding the recording function in the comcast guide (they're icons at the bottom), let me know and I'll walk you through it. I can't do it now because ... I'm in the midst of recording from cable! (see, another reason to hate relying on the box!) Formerly, with QAM-accessible channels, I could be recording something and watching a show on the cable box... but you lose the multi-cable program flexibility with only a single cable box. The one I was given for the living room is much less versatile, but it does the job in a pinch for 'extra' recordings. I do not intend to get a cable box for every recorder, so I have been dedicating different magnavox machines to different types of recordings (one for shows that require the cable box, and the other to record local channels or PBS that I can still get through a direct coax input. It gets confusing and it's less flexible than the old way, but it's usable. Comcast has scrambled almost everything worth watching other than locals, pbs, religious broadcasting, and a handful of lesser channels, but if you have multiple recorders, you can set them up to record the local station shows with the maggie tuner, and the cable shows with the box. It gives you a little more flexibility but it's hard to keep track!
post #14377 of 25426
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post
What model box is it, and does it let you select more than one program to record, like for other times or other days of the week?
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Originally Posted by dswensen View Post
I have Comcast service too. I have a 3576 set up to record from the output of the cable box - not using the tuner. With the Comcast cable box, while in Guide mode, and with the program highlighted I want to record, press "Info" and choose "set or cancel a VCR recording". The program guide on screen will show a red dot in the guide description for the program. This action will turn on the cable box and tune the cable box to that channel at that time. Now you need to set up the recorder programming to record the cable box output at that same time. Now what will happen is that, at the prescribed time, the cable box will come on, switch to the correct channel, and the recorder will come on and record the cable box output.
I edited my own post above to correct the keys to press on the remote to get this to work.

It works on both Comcast's boxes that I have, a DCH 3200 and an RNG 110. I believe it will work as often as you set the "VCR recording" on the guide menu, but I've only tested it with one program set to record at a time so far. I don't see why it wouldn't work with multiple programs selected.
post #14378 of 25426
I've set up five or six in advance - but there may be a maximum based on the guide memory.


Does your cable box come on when scheduled, or do you leave it on so it can change channels? It sounds like you turn yours off... which is good to know. I've never tried that -- well, I tried it and it didn't work, but htat may have been due to other issues.
post #14379 of 25426
I have done the timer recording thing many times but it doesn't turn the box on when it's off and when it is on it does this annoying blue box announcing that is about to change channels and record something
SO I had to always make sure the box was on or no recording to my 3575, plus make sure it started early enough to loose the stupid box announcing it was about to record something which of course gets recorded to the 3575 if not set early enough.
If there is a way to make it turn itself on, not have a huge box telling me it is doing this, then it would be somewhat more useful.
Otherwise I have discovered other ways to get the shows I miss in glorious HD with 5.1 sound...
post #14380 of 25426
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by artwire View Post
Comcast has scrambled almost everything worth watching other than locals, pbs, religious broadcasting, and a handful of lesser channels, but if you have multiple recorders, you can set them up to record the local station shows with the maggie tuner, and the cable shows with the box. It gives you a little more flexibility but it's hard to keep track!
Sounds like a 515 would come in handy in your situation... at least you can end up with pre-titled shows to reduce the confusion on the search-for show-and-playback end?
post #14381 of 25426
Well I just did a quick VCR recording test and I'll be damned the box turned itself on this time Maybe I never tried it with the newer box as I originally had the dcx7000 or whatever the crappy slightly better then a DTA box is. Might have to try a few test recordings now just to see if everything plays nice but pretty sure I'll still have to set the cable box to turn on early or I'll still have the stupid box telling me a VCR recording is about to start recording all over the screen at first...
post #14382 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
I have done the timer recording thing many times but it doesn't turn the box on when it's off and when it is on it does this annoying blue box announcing that is about to change channels and record something
SO I had to always make sure the box was on or no recording to my 3575, plus make sure it started early enough to loose the stupid box announcing it was about to record something which of course gets recorded to the 3575 if not set early enough.
If there is a way to make it turn itself on, not have a huge box telling me it is doing this, then it would be somewhat more useful.
Otherwise I have discovered other ways to get the shows I miss in glorious HD with 5.1 sound...
There are actually two different setting-one is a program reminder, where you set it and a blue box appears telling you that a show you've selected is about to start, without it changing the channel. The other is a timer set where the cable box will turn to the right ch and initiate recording.
Make sure you're clicking the right button on the menu. Check the screencaps...when a program timer is set, a red dot appears next to it in the guide.

Also, I've had this problem, and read a couple of posts by others in the Cable TV forum. When my cable box is off with a program timer set, the box powers on, but without audio on the selected channel. If the box is already on, audio works. I've been so tired of dealing with Comcast, I haven't taken it in to swap for another.
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post #14383 of 25426
That's the boxes I use, I've also used the reminder settings for things I just want to watch as I too have mostly given up on trying to record anything to the 3575.
The free box definitely wouldn't turn itself on but the HD one does. I also noticed it didn't have sound when it did turn itself on today when I tested it, but as soon as I hit a button to see what would happen it complained about having a active recording and did I want to cancel it, then the sound worked.
I doubt they want to make recording anything to your own gear easy as that will cut into their DVR sales so why bother with making it work properly all the time...
post #14384 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

Make sure you're clicking the right button on the menu. Check the screencaps...when a program timer is set, a red dot appears next to it in the guide.

Also, I've had this problem, a read a couple of posts by others in the Cable TV forum. When my cable box is off with a program timer set, the box powers on, by without audio on the selected channel. If the box is already on, audio works. I've been so tired of dealing with Comcast, I haven't taken it in to swap for another.

What box are those screencaps from, DCH3200?

Also, could the lack of audio when the auto-record starts be due to the 1-minute early setting? Does the audio come up later, at the true program start point?
post #14385 of 25426
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

What box are those screencaps from, DCH3200?

Also, could the lack of audio when the auto-record starts be due to the 1-minute early setting? Does the audio come up later, at the true program start point?

It's the SD Motorola DCT 2500. And no, the audio is absent for the entire program. If I cancel the timer setting on the 2500, the audio returns on that channel.

I'm with Dartman, it seems very suspicious for the audio to be MIA upon powering up for a timer record. Turning it on without one, the audio's there.
Conspiracy I tell, ya.
post #14386 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

It's the SD Motorola DCT 2500. And no, the audio is absent for the entire program. If I cancel the timer setting on the 2500, the audio returns on that channel.

I'm with Dartman, it seems very suspicious for the audio to be MIA upon powering up for a timer record. Turning it on without one, the audio's there.
Conspiracy I tell, ya.

Been fooling around with mine today too. Same problem as the others; if I let the cable box turn itself on with the timer, then I get no audio. If the box is already on, then the box turns itself to the correct channel at the appropriate time, and audio is there. I do get the blue box telling me that it's about to change, but I get past that by having it and my 3576 start a few minutes early - then I can edit the blue box out with a front cut.
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Ah, that's why I always leave mine on. I had forgotten the missing audio issue.

I started leaving it on when I recorded dead air accidentally (forgetting that I had a m - s timer set up). I doubt it uses much juice, and it serves as a handy dandy nightlight. Don't tell comcast, they'll charge extra for the service!

Yes, Wajo, I do need a 515... no place left to plug it in ...yet...

For some reason, my DCH3200 stopped changing channels last week. I am going in to see what's up with that - I've been a manually changing channels when i turn stuff off at night, since I'm recording late x2 show, but I would much rather it changed automatically. It ended up recording the channel it had been left on, not the one it was supposed to go to. Maybe I forgot to save something, but it seems odd that it happened suddenly. Hmmm. Time to reset all my clocks, anyway, so might as well go on a troubleshooting mission to unearth the mysteries of the cable guide, while I'm at it.

Edit: seems ok now. Maybe I messed it up with daylight savings time. here are screens of the DCH3200 in case anyone needs them. Looks pretty much the same - I'm guessing all comcast boxes are alike and use that same interface.
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post #14388 of 25426
Originally Posted by 234
Firstly, difinition of "Broken",
Broken is that one unit works different to others.

However, this freeze trouble is shown at perticular house situation.
Even if the user exchanges unit, 2nd unit also shows trouble.
It means both units are not broken.

In this point, we shoud apologize to the user meets this trouble because our product makes inconvenience situation to the user and disapoint to the user in spite of high expectation when they bought.

We need to make our product work all US houses propery, I am working to find the cause and solve it.

I mean only one point,

"failure rate is so high" is not true.

I and many engineer are working for 15 users in the world to let them enjoy digital world.

234,

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234,

I sincerely appreciate your contribution here and love the 515H when it works, but I had to return my first 515H because it would not turn on at all after 2 weeks of occasional use.

I now have 2 units - a used unit Walmart sent me as new, and a replacement unit that snap/crackle/pops/freezes every time that it is powered on to analog channels. These 2 units are presently hooked up in 2 different rooms of the same house.

This weekend, prior to returning the unit that appears to be broken, I am going to swap these units out with precisely the same hook-up to the same TV which will reveal whether they both act the same, or whether just one of them is broken.

JAM

Hooked up the used 515 Walmart originally sent me as a new unit, and it works flawlessly - I'm keeping it. Swapped to the new replacement 515 using the same cables & TV, and it crackle/pops/freezes when turned on to analog channels - I'm returning that broken unit.

JAM
post #14389 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

There are actually two different setting-one is a program reminder, where you set it and a blue box appears telling you that a show you've selected is about to start, without it changing the channel. The other is a timer set where the cable box will turn to the right ch and initiate recording.
Make sure you're clicking the right button on the menu. Check the screencaps...when a program timer is set, a red dot appears next to it in the guide.

Also, I've had this problem, and read a couple of posts by others in the Cable TV forum. When my cable box is off with a program timer set, the box powers on, but without audio on the selected channel. If the box is already on, audio works. I've been so tired of dealing with Comcast, I haven't taken it in to swap for another.

Wow, that is some terrible guide. I have my Dishnetwork HDDVR guide set to show three hours wide and six channels. I can see all the networks evening shows in one screen.

I set all my timers from the guide or less often search. I can set one time, all etc. I can set record to DVR drive, Remind, autotune etc.

My guess is they get away with it since most users have never seen a good guide.
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I've been making backup copies of my comm. VHS movies using my new Digital Video Stabilizer and, in the process, found that I have to modify my oft-stated advice on real-time record (RTR). I used to advise recording to HDD first, then HSD to DVD, yada, yada, yada! However, I like the DTD procedure described below, which has several advantages and one disadvantage.

Copying Direct to DVD (DTD)[/aname] - In my tape-to-DVD project for comm. movies, I've been doing RTR direct-to-DVD (DTD) instead cuz it gives me several key advantages:
  1. Copying direct to HDD or to DVD is the same real-time copy process.
  2. The copy on DVD will be a 1st-gen copy, same as HSD from HDD to disc.
  3. DTD eliminates the need for deleting the Empty Title, which can be a time-consuming process dep. on how much disc capacity remains. I just let the DVDR keep recording after the source video ends. It reverts to copying black screen all the way to the end of the disc cuz comm. movies have a defined video ending. When the disc gets full, recording stops and there's NO EMPTY TITLE to contend with (but it takes longer cuz no video = lower bit rate).
  4. Letting the process run to DVD end allows me to walk away so the only manual steps are coordinating the start of tape and recorder, and changing the title and index pic on disc at the end... changes that can both be made in the same Edit menu. (With a 515, I suppose I could set a timer rec program with title for more than disc capacity, then the copy on disc would already be titled?)

    Notes:
    1. Depending on remaining space on the disc, letting the copy run to the end of the DVD can take MORE time than if you stopped the recording and overwrote the Empty Title cuz you're recording black screen at 0.87Mbps rather than HQ's ~10Mbps using the Overwrite method. This DTD method is a winner if you're NOT anxious for the disc to fill up, i.e., you've got something more productive to do.
    2. If you like the run time in your labels, remember to use the actual show run time, not the time shown in the DVD title since that is the ENTIRE run time to end of disc.

post #14391 of 25426
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post



I've been making backup copies of my comm. VHS movies using my new Digital Video Stabilizer and, in the process, found that I have to modify my oft-stated advice on real-time record (RTR). I used to advise recording to HDD first, then HSD to DVD, yada, yada, yada!

One suggestion I could make, which saves time on setting the index picture...cue the tape in pause mode at the movie/episode title (if there is one), record to the DVD/HDD for 1 second, then pause recording. Go back to the beginning of the tape and resume recording. Instant index picture title whether you record direct to DVD or HDD.
post #14392 of 25426
MAYBE this was already asked somewhere in this long thread, is it possible with the 513 515 and 2160a units to install the hdd's into any of these and still retain the titles?? say 2160a hdd to a 515 machine.
post #14393 of 25426
I am confused with SD vs HD recording. Can somebody explain the difference? I like to record HD programs over the hd antenna (not cable). Is it possible with 515H? Thanks.
post #14394 of 25426
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Originally Posted by wsong3 View Post

I am confused with SD vs HD recording. Can somebody explain the difference? I like to record HD programs over the hd antenna (not cable). Is it possible with 515H? Thanks.

You can record HD programs, but they will be recorded in SD.
post #14395 of 25426
Dear Jam,

Your case is quite rare and interesting.
And you obviously prove that this trouble appears depends on home condition.
You have both conditions in your home!
I felt it is quite interesting case and sent you PM yesterday.
Could you please help us to find the key of this phenomenon?
Waiting your reply.

234
post #14396 of 25426
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Originally Posted by wsong3 View Post

I am confused with SD vs HD recording. Can somebody explain the difference? I like to record HD programs over the hd antenna (not cable). Is it possible with 515H? Thanks.

All HD is not the same. ABC & Fox prefer 720p. You will also be recording in DD 2.0, not the DD 5.1 that is used on some shows. The digital SD quality of 480i will look very good if you use HDMI and let the 515H upconvert it to 1080p. Nothing can make NTSC/analog look very good.
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Hi, I already have purchased a 2160 and really like it. I am thinking about purchasing another one. I would like to know the difference between the 2160 and the 513, I know that the 513 has a bigger HD drive than the 2160. Are there any other difference? I really don't care about the size of the HD because I have never used more than 10 hours on my 2160 since I would burn the video onto my Disc and then delete the video from the HD. Thanks for any help.
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post #14399 of 25426
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Originally Posted by mickinct View Post

MAYBE this was already asked somewhere in this long thread, is it possible with the 513 515 and 2160a units to install the hdd's into any of these and still retain the titles?? say 2160a hdd to a 515 machine.

Theoretically yes, but practically no. Why would you want to put a smaller drive in the 515 than it already has? If you have a dead DVD component, it would be more practical to replace it instead of taking the Hard Drive out and putting it in another unit. If there is something else wrong with the 2160A, then buy a refurbed or used one, and then swap drives. Moving from the same type unit to the same type unit, is "safer" than trying to jump between different model types.
post #14400 of 25426
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post
Hi, I already have purchased a 2160 and really like it. I am thinking about purchasing another one. I would like to know the difference between the 2160 and the 513, I know that the 513 has a bigger HD drive than the 2160. Are there any other difference? I really don't care about the size of the HD because I have never used more than 10 hours on my 2160 since I would burn the video onto my Disc and then delete the video from the HD. Thanks for any help.
It would be easier to answer if you could explain why you burn the DVD and how often you use the 2160A. Technical information from the jjeff post pointer might be enough though, so if it is, you don't need to respond.
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