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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

The real stumbling block is DRM and the TV/Movie studios.

Correct.
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Oh, god, I shouldn't have mentioned it again... damn!
post #15243 of 23903
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Edit: I don't know for sure what the AUDIO files look like on a disc, but since they're produced with DD2.0, I wonder if getting just those AUDIO files off in another format might actually be "pretty easy"???

Exactly, just use a conversion tool to convert it to MP3. Depending the format of the music on the recorded DVD, you can also use extracting tool to extract the audio if needed. Freeware are available widely for these purposes.
post #15244 of 23903
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Oh, god, I shouldn't have mentioned it again... damn!

shutup, wajo
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Originally Posted by bodhi78 View Post

shutup, wajo

My lips are sealed, and I pray that no one else asks what the future might hold!
post #15246 of 23903
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

And we're still praying for the HDD/BRD recorder next!

Something like this Funai BH2-M300?

The BH2-M300 is the product combined with the latest technology. You love film, television enthusiast or just a fan of a program that you can not miss? You have an important need for storage? The BH2-M300 is the solution. It is a product that is both player and recorder Blu-ray / DVD and hard disk 500 GB.

The BH2-M300 allows you to play your Blu-ray Full HD 1080p resolution. Able to record on a wide range of media (BD-R / BD-RE / BD-R DL / BD-RE DL / DVD ± R / DVD ± RW), the hard drive stores up to 256H. The BH2-M300 is equipped with a dual digital tuner that can record two different programs simultaneously. With its SD slot and front USB, you can watch your DivX movies, listen to your MP3 music and view your JPEG images. Labeled Canal Ready, the BH2-M300 allows direct access to channels Canal + (Canal + HD, Canal + Cinéma and Canal + Sport) and / or CANALSAT (TF6, PARIS PREMIERE, LCI, PLANET and EUROSPORT) without recourse to any external box, decoder box or ADSL or additional remote control.
post #15247 of 23903
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OMG, where did you get that quote OF MINE? ... Found it and squashed it... Loose lips sink dreams! Damnamighty!!!
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

France.

My quote. Nevermind.
post #15249 of 23903
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

It only upconverts thru HDMI, but DVI is the *same* as HDMI without the audio. Pressing the HDMI button on the remote cycles thru all the formats the attached TV is capable of, skipping those it can't use.

You can also turn HDMI audio off in the menus, using the normal L/R audio cables to the TV or digital coax to a receiver. (Not sure if it HAS to be turned off if converting to DVI or not.)

One slight clarification: HDMI allows for various picture color info types, for our units it is YCC and RGB. The DVI input will only accept RGB, but this is auto-set by the connection via the EDID handshake. There is an option for extended RGB, but I don't know any application where you would use this. YCC (which is how the video is stored in MPEG-2) is supposed to limit the Y signal in the range 16-235, and after conversion to RGB it should also be 16-235. The "enhanced" gives the full 0-255 but shouldn't provide any benefit.

On my RPTV, I couldn't see any benefit of upconversion from 480p to 1080i at the DVI input to the TV. I used the digital audio out to my AVR for processing.

scott s.
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post #15250 of 23903
kinda going off topic here, but what the heck.. if you have been following Google TV.. you will have noted that its prices are getting leveled to somthing more reasonable.. so now you can get the Logitech Revue google TV for 100 bucks free shipped... and its getting a new over all interface and being ran on android 3.1... now i like mine and for the price its pretty freaking cool.. there are some detractors who hate it.. but no me i like surf the web with 40" hdtv..

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/smartTV/revue

ok so what has this to do with the magnavox 2160a... well i dont have HD cable.. not really looking to get it. yet.. but since the mag has a HDMI out.. i got to thinking... well would a standard digital cable box work with this... so here is my set up....

coax>comcast STB standard def video cable>Mag 2160 HDMI>Revue Google TV>Toshiba HDTV...
it pickups the program guide and all that... just really slick kinda deal

router PC using Mezzmo.. for a media server...

and it works a charm... you can surf the web even when you are playing back recorded progs from the 2160 even P in P mode.. its really pretty cool also it is full Wifi built in so just use the router and you can even serve videos from the computer to it... using a DLNA... my fav is mezzmo... reads most any file type i throw at it...


so thats about it... i just thought it was pretty cool what 100 bucks can get ya now and days... fun stuff..
post #15251 of 23903
That's an interesting idea, the Revue having an HDMI in makes it different from most I've seen. You should go over to the media server forum and check stuff out. Every different box I've looked at seems to have shortcomings per the forum.

scott s.
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post #15252 of 23903
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

OMG, where did you get that quote? ... Found it and squashed it... Loose lips sink dreams! Damnamighty!!!

It's also available in Spanish. Perhaps we should be proactive and start a wish list for items that the BD version should support? I looked at the MBP5130/F7 for $98 at walmart.com and missed DTS-MA, internet audio, Pandora (etc.), SACD and ..... Not saying they aren't there, just not in the description. It does have an internet interface (wired and wireless). And HULU - nice.

If there was an /F7 model of the M300 sold, I would go the $568 USD for it. But would walmart.com sell it?
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OMG! I was hoping to not get the lawyers stirred up again, so I'll only say we already have one.
post #15254 of 23903
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It's also available in Spanish. Perhaps we should be proactive and start a wish list for items that the BD version should support? I looked at the MBP5130/F7 for $98 at walmart.com and missed DTS-MA, internet audio, Pandora (etc.), SACD and ..... Not saying they aren't there, just not in the description. It does have an internet interface (wired and wireless). And HULU - nice.

If there was an /F7 model of the M300 sold, I would go the $568 USD for it. But would walmart.com sell it?

Where does the $568 come from. At 469 euro, wouldn't that be around USD $665?
post #15255 of 23903
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

Where does the $568 come from. At 469 euro, wouldn't that be around USD $665?

Spanish press release said around 400 euro. They could be wrong. And who knows what the USD or euro will be worth tomorrow? Or it could be just Google's translation.

I'm more interested in Wish List #2 and what it all means. Is it a do-or-die to have a BD burner, or would a BD player be ok? Internet for BD live? VUDU? USB on front panel and what does it play or record? Is $299 a real price limit?

So many questions, so much anticipation.
post #15256 of 23903
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vickyg2003 posted some interesting info on operating the Mag 515 (and by default all the Mag HDD DVDRs) with "the Comcast remote."

post #15257 of 23903
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

I want to run an idea past the experts here.

I just got a new car that has a 10gb Music Register built in.

It will record WMA and MP3 files from audio CD's and, I think, from the same DVD+RW format the 515 prefers.

Any thoughts, gentlemen?

Did you mean "play" or "record"?

Have you made a +RW recording of music and tried it in your car? My music channels are 480p. I'll try a DVD+RW & CD+RW and see what happens.
post #15258 of 23903
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

I want to run an idea past the experts here.

I just got a new car that has a 10gb Music Register built in. It will record WMA and MP3 files from audio CD's and, I think, from the same DVD+RW format the 515 prefers.

I also have Comcast with a bunch of commercial-free music channels.

I have not tried using the 515 yet for recording to discs, only to the hard drive for time shifting, so no experience here recording to disc.


I am wondering a couple things:

1. If I record a few hours of music from the Comcast channels to the 515 hard drive without sitting there starting and pausing the 515 to weed out the songs I don't want, can I then go back, insert an appropriate blank disc, then continually start and pause the hard drive, recording only the songs I want to keep from the hard drive to the blank disc?

On the hard drive you create titles. You cannot pause playback when recording to the DVD. You pick and choose which titles you want on the DVD, and it does it in one session in "auto" mode that cannot be interrupted.

2. If the above works, what would be the file type of the songs on the disc? If it's not WMA or MP3, apparently it won't download to the car's Music Register.

Even if this works, I have a feeling recording music from Comcast this way would result in one very long track or title of all the songs I save to disc, rather than each song being it's own track as seen by the car's Music Register or separate Title as seen by the Maggie. But if all this works, that's OK since, in essence, I'd have a long album of all the songs I want in one track, which could then be placed into it's own custom named folder in the Register. Maybe.

Any thoughts, gentlemen?

After recording the DVD off the Comcast channel, you need to brake it down into MP3 files on a computer. These files should be able to be transferred via a USB jump drive to your vehicle.

On the other hand, if your car player plays videos, then all you have to do is after recording a multi-hour session, just divide each song up into individual titles like you would a tv show and then you can choose which titles and in which order you want to record them in, and burn your DVD the way you normally would. If you car player plays videos, it should also let you select random title selection or regular playback. If it will not play videos, then you have to use the computer to convert to the WMA and MP3 format.
post #15259 of 23903
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

I want to run an idea past the experts here.

I just got a new car that has a 10gb Music Register built in. It will record WMA and MP3 files from audio CD's and, I think, from the same DVD+RW format the 515 prefers.

I also have Comcast with a bunch of commercial-free music channels.

I have not tried using the 515 yet for recording to discs, only to the hard drive for time shifting, so no experience here recording to disc.


I am wondering a couple things:

1. If I record a few hours of music from the Comcast channels to the 515 hard drive without sitting there starting and pausing the 515 to weed out the songs I don't want, can I then go back, insert an appropriate blank disc, then continually start and pause the hard drive, recording only the songs I want to keep from the hard drive to the blank disc?

2. If the above works, what would be the file type of the songs on the disc? If it's not WMA or MP3, apparently it won't download to the car's Music Register.

Even if this works, I have a feeling recording music from Comcast this way would result in one very long track or title of all the songs I save to disc, rather than each song being it's own track as seen by the car's Music Register or separate Title as seen by the Maggie. But if all this works, that's OK since, in essence, I'd have a long album of all the songs I want in one track, which could then be placed into it's own custom named folder in the Register. Maybe.

Any thoughts, gentlemen?

Freemake Video Converter http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/

Will open your non copy protected DVD such as a Magnavox Created DVD and let you convert it to many formats including mp3 format. I haven't tried it but it should open them.

Price is right, free.
post #15260 of 23903
Have just set up new Magnavox 515. I can turn on closed captioning for the hard drive,but can't seem to turn it on for a prerecorded disc. Is there something I'm missing.
This was bought to replace my Panasonic DVR. Did notice picture quality isn't as good.
post #15261 of 23903
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Originally Posted by TBoneit View Post

Freemake Video Converter http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/

Will open your non copy protected DVD such as a Magnavox Created DVD and let you convert it to many formats including mp3 format. I haven't tried it but it should open them.

Price is right, free.

I've been using Freemake for a while. Seems to be a good program, gets a lot of updates. I think the dev is Russian, which makes you wonder but I haven't seen any evidence of the program doing strange things. I also use Handbrake, but that one is for creating mkv only, while Freemake can create other formats like mp3. I don't know if you lose anything going from AC3 -> MP3. There's also free (nagware) "Any Video Converter" that can transcode into other formats like AAC, OGG, WAV, M4A, and WMA (not FLAC though).

scott s.
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post #15262 of 23903
Hey, thanks very much for the replies guys.

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Did you mean "play" or "record"? Have you made a +RW recording of music and tried it in your car? My music channels are 480p. I'll try a DVD+RW & CD+RW and see what happens.

Record. The multi-purpose entertainment system has a built in "Music Register" which is a 10gb hard drive for recording MP3 or WMA files from various media types and playing them back. Haven't tried a +RW yet, but will do. Much appreciate your trying it out in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

After recording the DVD off the Comcast channel, you need to brake it down into MP3 files on a computer. These files should be able to be transferred via a USB jump drive to your vehicle.

On the other hand, if your car player plays videos, then all you have to do is after recording a multi-hour session, just divide each song up into individual titles like you would a tv show and then you can choose which titles and in which order you want to record them in, and burn your DVD the way you normally would. If you car player plays videos, it should also let you select random title selection or regular playback. If it will not play videos, then you have to use the computer to convert to the WMA and MP3 format.

Now that's interesting. Yes it does play video as well as audio DVD's. But I don't have clue #1 how to divide a continuous session into individual titles on the Maggie. Guess I skipped over that section of the manual. I'll look. Sounds like the ideal solution for editing out the songs I don't want, without babysitting the entire recording session.

Only one possible problem: The system will play video DVD's, and audio from audio DVD's and CD's, but I'm not sure the Music Register section of the system will record from DVD's like it will from CD's. I think it will, but I'll have to try it.

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Originally Posted by TBoneit View Post

Freemake Video Converter http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/

Will open your non copy protected DVD such as a Magnavox Created DVD and let you convert it to many formats including mp3 format. I haven't tried it but it should open them.

Price is right, free.

Sound like a good backup plan if all else above fails. Thanks for the tip.



WAJO: Thanks for the Help File link on recording audio from cable. Do I understand correctly that it's best to disconnect the video cable (yellow) from the Maggie when doing this? And there's no real difference in recorded audio quality between say , SLP, SP and HQ?

Here's some additional info on the car's Music Register requirements guys, just in case it's of any value in this discussion (IOW, I don't know what any of it means ):

The manual says the following are OK:

MP3 files with constant and variable bit rates from 32kbit to 320 kbit/sec. Sampling rate of 8khz to 48khz.

WMA: fixed bit rates from 5kbit/sec to 384 kbit/sec. Sampling rates of 8khz to 48 khz.

Thanks for your patience here guys. Sorry to take up so much space with this issue, which is probably only of interest to a limited number of folks.
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

WAJO: Thanks for the Help File link on recording audio from cable. Do I understand correctly that it's best to disconnect the video cable (yellow) from the Maggie when doing this? And there's no real difference in recorded audio quality between say , SLP, SP and HQ?

Yes, I would disconnect the video cable if all you're going to play, or be able to play, is audio. It shouldn't make any diff. what rec mode you use cuz the Mag lays down audio at the same rate for each mode with the video cable off. Depends on how much you want to "squeeze" on a 30-cent DVD.

Edit: I can't remember now if going to a lower-quality rec mode actually got more on a Mag disc. It did with the Pio 640 but the Mag is noticeably diff., starting with almost the exact same audio rate for all rec modes? Something is rattling around in my head about that... prob. a brain fart.

My Pio 640 laid down audio at only slightly-variable bit rates and then, only for the regular rec modes (not LPCM).

With either machine, my eagle-eared CFO couldn't distinguish an AQ diff. for CD music except in the Pio 640's LPCM mode, and even then, just a "skosh, maybe"!
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^^I'm not into recording audio only, so forgive me for throwing in my 2 cents but..

If he wishes to edit out songs he doesn't want to keep, then perhaps leaving the video cable connected would be best.If he chooses to edit, then he won't have to sit thru playback of all the songs while in the Edit workspace. Video will give him some indication of when each song begins and ends. No video would appear in the Edit window if there was only audio recorded?
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^^I'm not into recording audio only, so forgive me for throwing in my 2 cents but..

If he wishes to edit out songs he doesn't want to keep, then perhaps leaving the video cable connected would be best.If he chooses to edit, then he won't have to sit thru playback of all the songs while in the Edit workspace. Video will give him some indication of when each song begins and ends. No video would appear in the Edit window if there was only audio recorded?
In my tests, I found the video cable wasn't needed to copy audio tracks from a CD (for example) as individual titles, change Title Names on HDD, HSD to DVD... in the order I wanted them. My audio tracks didn't need any traditional "editing."

If lazy and just want to listen to some good music, just record a complete CD (or other), Pause between CDs to change disc, and end up with a long music extravaganza for listening only (not worrying about names).

Of course, a person could make a complete music video with video comping from any other source desired, like a VCR, DVD player, something from TV, etc. played separately thru the video cable. An "interesting" production project, but not for me anymore!
post #15266 of 23903
He is recording the music channel from cable. He should just let the hard drive do a 6 hour session. Then he can "chop" up the session and delete the titles he does not want. Record the rest to a DVD as individual titles. If the Maggie tunes these channels, then there is no separation of video.

Taking the "burned" DVD and ripping the songs into a MP3 format with the above mentioned software on a computer will get the audio into a format he can transfer via thumb drive. Or he can just put the DVD into the car unit and play it.

It seems to me, sitting at the Maggie and babysitting audio would be time consuming if there was no visual "help". He will probably end up doing the same video "editing" for any shows or movies he will record. Doing the same set of "editing" for both types of recordings should be easier than trying to learn two ways of doing what is essentially the same thing any ways.
post #15267 of 23903
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I've been using Freemake for a while. Seems to be a good program, gets a lot of updates. I think the dev is Russian, which makes you wonder but I haven't seen any evidence of the program doing strange things. I also use Handbrake, but that one is for creating mkv only, while Freemake can create other formats like mp3. I don't know if you lose anything going from AC3 -> MP3. There's also free (nagware) "Any Video Converter" that can transcode into other formats like AAC, OGG, WAV, M4A, and WMA (not FLAC though).

scott s.
.

I keep wondering too, However I haven't seen it do anything either. Norton always rates it as safe on the updates.

I Also do keep any financial stuff separated on a financial use only laptop that does nothing else. No Email, No Browsing Only Online banking and bill paying. $329 + Tax for peace of mind was cheap at the price.

I found that Freemake conversion to mkv play real nice on my WD media player with excellent FF & FRev compared to many others. One thing I wish it did was author BluRay using compatible video without encoding. It always wants to encode them so does TMPGenc so can't put up a big flag on that one.

They're located in the Seychelles from what I've seen elsewhere.

The is a good place for help and tools and such video related.
http://www.videohelp.com/
post #15268 of 23903
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

I want to run an idea past the experts here.

I just got a new car that has a 10gb Music Register built in. It will record WMA and MP3 files from audio CD's and, I think, from the same DVD+RW format the 515 prefers.

I also have Comcast with a bunch of commercial-free music channels.

I have not tried using the 515 yet for recording to discs, only to the hard drive for time shifting, so no experience here recording to disc.


I am wondering a couple things:

1. If I record a few hours of music from the Comcast channels to the 515 hard drive without sitting there starting and pausing the 515 to weed out the songs I don't want, can I then go back, insert an appropriate blank disc, then continually start and pause the hard drive, recording only the songs I want to keep from the hard drive to the blank disc?

2. If the above works, what would be the file type of the songs on the disc? If it's not WMA or MP3, apparently it won't download to the car's Music Register.

Even if this works, I have a feeling recording music from Comcast this way would result in one very long track or title of all the songs I save to disc, rather than each song being it's own track as seen by the car's Music Register or separate Title as seen by the Maggie. But if all this works, that's OK since, in essence, I'd have a long album of all the songs I want in one track, which could then be placed into it's own custom named folder in the Register. Maybe.

Any thoughts, gentlemen?

Ive used "Audacity" (free software) to convert cassette tapes to audio files using the "line in" of my computer and audio cables form my cassette deck and a radio shack adapter. Caveat: audio files eat up memory. One cassette required 1 to 2 gigabytes. The music stream can then be edited into individual songs and converted to the MP3 format.

It's been some time since I've done this so I not up on all the details but it worked pretty well for me as I remember.
post #15269 of 23903
Great discussion gentlemen. Thank you all for your input.

Now, it's time to experiment here. I did look at the Maggie menu last night and saw where you probably "chop up" things into individual titles, etc. Fascinating. Lot's of reading ahead.

If you never hear from me again, you'll know I froze and crashed not only my car's entertainment system, but every other cotton pickin' electronics system on my new "computer on wheels" that goes through it - the so-called "Comand System."

Am I the only one who remembers when cars were pretty much 4 wheels and a motor?

Thanks again.
post #15270 of 23903
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Ah, "Music Register"... a Mercedes!?

And now you've got to join BenzWorld to learn how to use your radio! "D
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