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post #16231 of 23780
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Originally Posted by excolprof View Post

For the past year I have been recording movies to my 515 HDD at HQ . Then I do front and end cut editing before dubbing to a DVD-R disk. When selecting "dubbing" the dub mode is shown automatically to fit on the DVD. No problem making a good copy. Always wanted to be able to select HSD but could not, therefore RTD was used. Now the mystery--I recorded a movie that edited down to 2:55. I expected to have to use SPP mode to dub to the DVD, BUT, low and behold the "HIGH" mode was highlighted. A mode I could not select before (always grayed out). (The dubbed DVD plays fine.) I didn't do anything different from the normal procedure I followed all these months. How can I make sure I can always select HSD?

A title of 2:55:00 length can only be dubbed to DVD using HIGH (HSD) if that title was recorded to HDD in 3-hr-LP mode.

Re: your question on that note: all RTD's change the default rec mode to the last RTD mode used. Hence, maybe you did an EP RTD last, then did a real-time recording? (Timer rec mode is set in the timer menu.)

You can get HSD only if you make sure your title(s) don't exceed the HSDTimes listed in this help file.

You can check currently selected default rec mode with the RecMode button on remote or, better yet, in the Display menu, bottom right corner on live TV. Help file here.
post #16232 of 23780
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

A title of 2:55:00 length can only be dubbed to DVD using HIGH (HSD) if that title was recorded to HDD in 4-hr-EP mode.

Shouldn't that read: "in 3-hr LP mode"? Or is that mode not available on the 515?
post #16233 of 23780
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Right... fixed.
post #16234 of 23780
How much physical disk space is required per minute or hour depends on the content's average brightness. Brighter scenes take more space. You can prove this (if not using a 515) by trying to use up the last little bit of free space at the end of a DVD-R so that you can delete it and then have no empty last title. If you try even HQ mode to use up that space by recording an empty black carrier you may run out of patience before it will be all used up. Aim a video camera at a daytime sky full of flocking birds as input source and you'll get the opposite, 4 free minutes remaining may turn out to be less than 2.
post #16235 of 23780
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Well, the "black" part is right... black shows the absence of video, so it will take much longer to fill up a certain space than live TV. White is "full video" but the Mag encoder averages everything to the approx. rec mode bit rate selected, whether white-screen or live.

I did some basic tests on this described here.
post #16236 of 23780
Haven't been on the forum in awhile.
Wanted to say I bought this device primarily for recording football games to dvd. At the time, I had an HD tuner, so split the signal and went thru L1 or L2. It did the job, but I couldn’t, despite the use of higher quality interconnects, find a solution to the hum.
I recently changed to a satellite system. The recordings are excellent. NO HUM and, simply, better video! I have it set behind my DirecTV HD DVR. I have dubbed directly from the DVR hard drive, from 515 hard drive, and have recorded direct to disk. All yield high quality video recordings...when compared to my previous recordings made with a Crapasonic with HD tuner.
I have but one complaint: The 515 won't record dual-layer DVD's.
I record the 3+ hour games to two regular DVD's, then, with my computer, combine them to a dual-layer. It is time-consuming (for the computer, not for me), but I have a bunch of printable DL's that I bought for the @#$%sonic before it finally drew its last breath.
Come to think of it, when Panasonic went to DL capability is when their products turned to dung. Could that be the cause?

All this is to say, if you like to make DVD’s but have a HD DVR, the 515 still will do a masterful job.
post #16237 of 23780
Thread Starter 
Welcome back!

For your football, have you tried method #2 here?

Just adds Mag editing time but no need to go to computer.
post #16238 of 23780
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

How much physical disk space is required per minute or hour depends on the content's average brightness. Brighter scenes take more space. You can prove this (if not using a 515) by trying to use up the last little bit of free space at the end of a DVD-R so that you can delete it and then have no empty last title. If you try even HQ mode to use up that space by recording an empty black carrier you may run out of patience before it will be all used up. Aim a video camera at a daytime sky full of flocking birds as input source and you'll get the opposite, 4 free minutes remaining may turn out to be less than 2.

mrmazda,you've got me going. I too thought like you do,but i found it didn't work the way you describe.Let me explain. I sometimes record audio books(stories)on CD to the HDD of my Philips 3576DVDR,then HSD to disc(TY-Verb.8x-R).When i first started doing this,i figured that w/o video i should be able to record a lot more onto the DVD per hour than what the equivalent amount of time on the CD's showed ie;3 hrs.of story time should leave a LOT of time still unused on the DVD when recorded in the LP(3hr.)mode,but it didn't. 3hrs. of story time took up just about the same amount of disc space as a 3hr.movie would,recorded in the same LP mode.
I unhooked the video cable(s) from the Philips so no type of signal could possibly get through,but it didn't help.I use a Sony DVDplayer to play the CD and run an audio cord to my Philips DVDR.I made 10-15 recordings this way and each time is the same. What am i missing?? G
post #16239 of 23780
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Originally Posted by joebondo View Post

My new Magnavox MDR515H does not play Timer recorded content. The unit turns on and shows like it is recording, but on playback, there is no video or audio. I am using HDMI output and cable TV. unit does record and playback normally when I just press the record button. Is this a defect, or am I doing something wrong?

In addition to all the great advice so far, one feature of this unit is that if you select DVD for recording destination, and that DVD will not hold your data, it puts it on the HDD for you without notification. Just a place to look.
post #16240 of 23780
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Well, the "black" part is right... black shows the absence of video, so it will take much longer to fill up a certain space than live TV.

I did that just now while filling a disc to delete the Empty Space title. I have various length HQ black screen recordings on the HDD that I made by recording on L2 composite with the source device turned off. This disc had a 0:16:02 Empty Space title. I got three 35 minute, four 5 minute, one 2 minute and one 1 minute black screen title to High Speed Dub on this disc all at once. That's 128 minutes of black screen video in 16 minutes of free space and I still had an Empty Space title of 0:02:16 to fill. I did a black screen Real Time Record on L2 for 5 minutes then stopped the recording. That left 1:42 remaining in the Empty Space title. I deleted all of the black screen recordings one at a time and noticed the Empty Space title got shorter by about a second after deleting each title. It took an additional 0:14:41 at HQ Real Time Recording to completely fill the Empty Space title.


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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

I unhooked the video cable(s) from the Philips so no type of signal could possibly get through,but it didn't help.I made 10-15 recordings this way and each time is the same. What am i missing?? G

Maybe the 3576 works differently?
post #16241 of 23780
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

I unhooked the video cable(s) from the Philips so no type of signal could possibly get through,but it didn't help.I use a Sony DVDplayer to play the CD and run an audio cord to my Philips DVDR.I made 10-15 recordings this way and each time is the same. What am i missing?? G

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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Maybe the 3576 works differently?

I'm currently "re-addressing" my "Recording Music" help file based on these recent posts cuz when I did those tests, there were a couple of "odd" things going on with my 3575 vs. my Pio 640, primarily all 3575 video-cable-off recordings were the same bit rate for every rec mode.

I also remembered looking at the disc and noticing much more space apparently written than the supposedly low-bit-rate recordings of my tests.

I'm thinking now that these Mags lay down audio-only in a much diff. way than the Pioneer.

As Ken.F reaffirmed, deleting the Empty Title from an external input (black screen) takes GOBS longer than live TV, which is GOBS diff. than my audio-only tests... confusing but there's is something going on that has not been fully explained.

I'm doing an HQ recording test direct to DVD with E1 selected, which takes a long time when deleting the Empty Title indicating it's laying down bits very slowly, to see if I notice that same low-bit-rate phenomenon. I'm thinking I won't!
post #16242 of 23780
If Little Red Riding Hood had stopped to look behind every tree for the Big Bad Wolf, she would have never made it to grandma's
post #16243 of 23780
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

If Little Red Riding Hood had stopped to look behind every tree for the Big Bad Wolf, she would have never made it to grandma's

I take it that is in response to the "risk tolerance" discussion?
post #16244 of 23780
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Originally Posted by drbrousters View Post

The recordings are excellent. NO HUM and, simply, better video! I have it set behind my DirecTV HD DVR. I have dubbed directly from the DVR hard drive, from 515 hard drive, and have recorded direct to disk. All yield high quality video recordings...when compared to my previous recordings made with a Crapasonic with HD tuner.

"Crapasonic" LOL I'll add that word to my brand dictionary along with "Crapsung"
post #16245 of 23780
Hey, I have a Samsung CRT HDTV that has served me well over the years!
post #16246 of 23780
LG (aka reincarnated Goldstar) = lowest grade
post #16247 of 23780
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

LG (aka reincarnated Goldstar) = lowest grade

Years ago I bought a GoldStar VCR. One day after the warranty was up it quit.
post #16248 of 23780
The very first Seagate HD I bought had a one year warranty and lasted about 13 months. It was more than 15 years later when Seagate introduced 5 year HD warranties until I bought another Seagate, and by then the HD manufacturer count had dropped to a tiny fraction of what used to exist, maybe down to 4-5. I used to always opt out of extended warranties offered on everything, but in recent years I've done the opposite on home electronics, and needed them on roughly half. Very little seems to be made to outlive its warranty by very much any more.
post #16249 of 23780
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

Very little seems to be made to outlive its warranty by very much any more.

I have an LG(goldstar) DVDR,1 lousy day after the 90 day free repair warranty expired the dang thing up and quit! Had to pay for repairs. OTOH i used to have a Goldstar window ac unit that ran for years and years w/o trouble.When i finally moved from that apt.after about 9 years, that ac unit was still going strong. G.
post #16250 of 23780
So, just to be a shrew, I recorded some visual time code over bars and tone to do some practice edits.

I did this because I thought I saw some jerky, stop/start action when removing some commercials with my new 515.

Sure enough, before the edit, video stops dead for 10-15 frames, and then l
lurches ahead to the edit point, with is off by 3-10 frames.

Is this normal, or is my unit defective? I was hoping that the machine would a least be able to make a clean edit.
post #16251 of 23780
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Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post

Is this normal, or is my unit defective? I was hoping that the machine would a least be able to make a clean edit.

It's normal. If you burn the title to a DVD and play it back on a regular DVD player the edit point stutter is much less noticeable.
post #16252 of 23780
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post

So, just to be a shrew, I recorded some visual time code over bars and tone to do some practice edits.

I did this because I thought I saw some jerky, stop/start action when removing some commercials with my new 515.

Sure enough, before the edit, video stops dead for 10-15 frames, and then l
lurches ahead to the edit point, with is off by 3-10 frames.

Is this normal, or is my unit defective? I was hoping that the machine would a least be able to make a clean edit.

Here's a help file with a Note on Edit Point Accuracy.
post #16253 of 23780
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Here's a help file with a Note on Edit Point Accuracy.

cool, I'll have a read - thanks
post #16254 of 23780
I have a 2160 and have been recording TV program on my 2160 HD, getting rid of commercials and then dubbing them onto DVD which works just fine. Now I have a few DVDs that I would like to dub onto my 2160 HD. I found out that I can do this if my Disc is a RW I can select a few titles, then push dub on the remote and the recorder will dub all the titles checked. However on a regular finalized disc, I can only dub by play the title and then push dub because in the setup, the dub is grayed out. Is there anyway I can dub a few titles on a disc or do I need to dub 1 title at a time? Thanks
post #16255 of 23780
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post

I have a 2160 and have been recording TV program on my 2160 HD, getting rid of commercials and then dubbing them onto DVD which works just fine. Now I have a few DVDs that I would like to dub onto my 2160 HD. I found out that I can do this if my Disc is a RW but on regular DVD, when I go to setup, the dub is grayed out. Can anyone help me dubbing from disc onto HDD? Thanks

Two ways to dub DVD>HDD, depending on whether the DVD is Finalized or Unfinalized. Procedures here.
post #16256 of 23780
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Two ways to dub DVD>HDD, depending on whether the DVD is Finalized or Unfinalized. Procedures here.

Thanks for the link. Looks like I can only dub one title at a time in real time.
post #16257 of 23780
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Hey, I have a Samsung CRT HDTV that has served me well over the years!

I agree Samsung CRT's were very good . OTOH their DVDRs...

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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

I have an LG(goldstar) DVDR,1 lousy day after the 90 day free repair warranty expired the dang thing up and quit!

I have one of those too, tunner and inputs gives only 3/4 of original PQ.
post #16258 of 23780
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I'm currently "re-addressing" my "Recording Music" help file based on these recent posts cuz when I did those tests, there were a couple of "odd" things going on with my 3575 vs. my Pio 640, primarily all 3575 video-cable-off recordings were the same bit rate for every rec mode.

I also remembered looking at the disc and noticing much more space apparently written than the supposedly low-bit-rate recordings of my tests.

I'm thinking now that these Mags lay down audio-only in a much diff. way than the Pioneer.

As Ken.F reaffirmed, deleting the Empty Title from an external input (black screen) takes GOBS longer than live TV, which is GOBS diff. than my audio-only tests... confusing but there's is something going on that has not been fully explained.

I'm doing an HQ recording test direct to DVD with E1 selected, which takes a long time when deleting the Empty Title indicating it's laying down bits very slowly, to see if I notice that same low-bit-rate phenomenon. I'm thinking I won't!

Had to update my help file on recording audio-only DVDs based on some tests just completed. Turns out very diff. than my old tests with my Pio 640.

See the help file if interested.
post #16259 of 23780
Hey thanks all for your comments, there are a couple of great options here, I'll call my bank.

Thanks for the brisk dialog and reminding all to be cautious. Only a few "not worried" responses in there.

Mike
post #16260 of 23780
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Originally Posted by 234 View Post

We are going to have both models at least by early 2012(Jan-Mar).

Thanks for the info!

These units are great. I'm really surprised that dtv pvrs like this (and dtv generally) hasn't caught on more considering how great it is compared to cable.

These things should be flying off the shelves!
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