AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › DVD Recorders (Standard Def) › Magnavox 537, 535, 533, 515, 513, 2160A, 2160, 2080 & Philips 3576, 3575
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Magnavox 537, 535, 533, 515, 513, 2160A, 2160, 2080 & Philips 3576, 3575 - Page 57

post #1681 of 23781
Redtag.com is reporting 40% left (as of 7:43 AM EST, 12 Sept.) for the refurbished 3575 at $189 + $1.95 S&H.

If you are interested, you might want to pull the trigger.
post #1682 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

(...) Anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to whats going on here? If not can someone recommend a good unit as an alternate to this? I am really struggling here to find the right unit to archive my home movies. Is the Magnavox model basically the exact same as this one? I would expect I'll prolly have the same issue if I try that one as well.

Thanks,
Jim

First thing I would do is try a different set of cables.
post #1683 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

First thing I would do is try a different set of cables.

Strongly agree. The fatter the better. The best would be a set of cables made from RG-6 coax. I have seen these types of distortion between components that was completely eliminated by throwing away the cheap thin cables that come with the units and buying big fat pipes. Monoprice.com above sells an excellent selection of high quality cables at very low prices. Or, you can get some good fat ones at Radio Shack if you want them now and don't mind paying a few $$ more.
post #1684 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to whats going on here? If not can someone recommend a good unit as an alternate to this? I am really struggling here to find the right unit to archive my home movies. Is the Magnavox model basically the exact same as this one? I would expect I'll prolly have the same issue if I try that one as well.
Jim

Try going directly into the TV with those cables, see what happens. I copy VHS into the E2 with composite cables with no problems at all. Old VHS tapes are just poor quality though, compared to what we've gotten used to.
post #1685 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stressbox View Post

You (naturally) went further than I. That switch looks like more trouble than it's worth.
However, what do you think would happen if I had another DVR the 2160, for example connected to an antenna only and plugged it into the AUX port of the Sony? My Sony CRT has an RF Aux so I imagine the new LCD would too.
You no doubt see that I could use that for OTA digital and HD and the basiccable/TV for everything else with the 3576.
I know I can get a pretty good digital signal OTA because I use my computer with a Pinnacle tuner and it brings in all local channels, both analog and digital. If it's Hi def I get that too -- my monitor is 1920x1200. What do you uncovertly think?
Stressbox

Having two units, one a 3576 and the other a 2160, would be my ideal setup. You can connect OTA to one and cable to the other, and their remotes wouldn't clash.

Since each DVDR would show its menus, tuned channels, recorded HDD titles and DVDs, thru a line output/input, you've got two options on getting antenna AND cable signal thru to the TV w/o turning either unit on:

1. You could connect ONE DVDR to the RF input (no switch)... the one that would be the one you'd most likely want to watch on the TV w/o having to turn either DVDR on.

2. Install a SWITCH and connect both DVDRs, THEN you copuld use it to switch to the DVDR signal, antenna or cable, you want to tune on the TV w/o either being on!
post #1686 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Unfortunately, after plugging in my VHS player to the front E2 I notice that there is some weird effect I haven't seen before. The picture seems to flicker every few seconds or so, like it gets brighter for a split second then evens out again. I thought this was odd. I then tried hooking it up through the E1 and the same thing happened. I am just using the yellow, white, and red composite cables, no s-video for E1 input.

Other than copy protection, which your home videos shouldn't have, the only thing that HAS happened that resembles your problem (besides a defective unit) is EMI/RF that mimics CP by disrupting the video signal.

Check out this help file and see if anything might be causing EMI as described there: Plasma/CRT TV too close, heat buildup, etc.?

If it WERE CP, it would throw up a big menu with red text reading something like, "QUIT TRYING TO RIP US OFF, YOU DIRTY THIEF" but it shouldn't "freeze" completely.

I'm still trying to think of ANYTHING else it could be, but so far, I can't think of any settings that might be wrong and cause your effect.
post #1687 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgazzara View Post

Redtag.com is reporting 40% left (as of 7:43 AM EST, 12 Sept.) for the refurbished 3575 at $189 + $1.95 S&H.

If you are interested, you might want to pull the trigger.

Thanks for the warning. When I went to the website it said only 20%. Still couldn't decide, because I'm a cheap bastard, I then did some searching and found a Panasonic DMR-EZ28 on ebay for $108
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-DMR-EZ...QQcmdZViewItem
went back to redtag and it said only 7% So I panicked and got the last one. I think it will be easier to edit on the Philips HDD than on the Panasonic using RAM disc.
p.s. still haven't figured how it could go form 20% to 7% and I got the last one, I used to be good at math.
Edit I just finished typing the above post then found this on ebay for $180 it's a Philips 3455 multi-region with 160 GB HD but, I don't think it has HDMI output or up conversion.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILIPS-DVDR3455...QQcmdZViewItem
post #1688 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

First thing I would do is try a different set of cables.


The first thing I thought of was cables. I proved it wasn't though by plugging the same cables into the tv and watching the video direct to my tv and it showed no sort of anomoly. I am gonna exchange this unit for another and if it still does it I am giving up on this model.

I really appreciate the suggestion!
post #1689 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Other than copy protection, which your home videos shouldn't have, the only thing that HAS happened that resembles your problem (besides a defective unit) is EMI/RF that mimics CP by disrupting the video signal.

Check out this help file and see if anything might be causing EMI as described there: Plasma/CRT TV too close, heat buildup, etc.?

If it WERE CP, it would throw up a big menu with red text reading something like, "QUIT TRYING TO RIP US OFF, YOU DIRTY THIEF" but it shouldn't "freeze" completely.

I'm still trying to think of ANYTHING else it could be, but so far, I can't think of any settings that might be wrong and cause your effect.

Thanks for the link but I don't believe it's any of these issues. I am gonna try another unit before I give up on this one. Is the Magnavox the same as this one with just a different brand name? That would be my next option if I can't it to work on the Philips.
post #1690 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Thanks for the link but I don't believe it's any of these issues. I am gonna try another unit before I give up on this one. Is the Magnavox the same as this one with just a different brand name? That would be my next option if I can't it to work on the Philips.

The diff. between the 3575/3576 and the Mag H2160 are listed and shown here.
post #1691 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Well, after reading some of the great reviews of this recorder I went out and got one yesterday at Sam's (Philips - 3576H/37). I brought it home, hooked it up and started experimenting. I bought this mainly to take my old VHS home movies, record them to the HDD, edit, and finally burn off to dvd. Sounds easy enough, right?

Unfortunately, after plugging in my VHS player to the front E2 I notice that there is some weird effect I haven't seen before. The picture seems to flicker every few seconds or so, like it gets brighter for a split second then evens out again. I thought this was odd. I then tried hooking it up through the E1 and the same thing happened. I am just using the yellow, white, and red composite cables, no s-video for E1 input.

I returned my Panasonic DMR-EZ48V to get this one instead and when I hooked up my VCR to the inputs on that everything was perfect. Does anyone think this is a flawed unit or has anyone had this happen to them before. Unfortunately this is unacceptable for archiving home videos. I think there is something wrong with the line inputs on this unit or all of the units, I dunno.

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to whats going on here? If not can someone recommend a good unit as an alternate to this? I am really struggling here to find the right unit to archive my home movies. Is the Magnavox model basically the exact same as this one? I would expect I'll prolly have the same issue if I try that one as well.

Thanks,
Jim

I'd also suggest you try feeding the VCR into the REAR inputs on the Philips.

My older Philips DVR/DVDrecorder (analog tuner only) also had some issues with its inputs, only in that case it was with the audio.

I've used my 3576 to record from a VCR and it works flawlessly...

...although, come to think of it, I use the rear inputs.

Hmmm.....
post #1692 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Other than copy protection, which your home videos shouldn't have, the only thing that HAS happened that resembles your problem (besides a defective unit) is EMI/RF that mimics CP by disrupting the video signal...

...If it WERE CP, it would throw up a big menu with red text reading something like, "QUIT TRYING TO RIP US OFF, YOU DIRTY THIEF" but it shouldn't "freeze" completely...


I've actually heard of people trying to record old VHS tapes they'd made (home movies) and getting not only the video effect described, but on some newer recorders they also got a copy-guard warning onscreen from the recorder.

It's not unheard of, but it can even completely fool the recorder into thinking there is an actual copy-guard signal on the tape.

The only solution I know of is to get a filter to put between the two machines that'll do something to the video that prevents any copyguard effect from getting thru, and thus allows you to burn discs of your own tapes. (Not to be used to make pirated copies of copyrighted material you don't own.)

http://www.world-import.com/dp-x7000.htm

A little expensive, but if it's worth it to you...
post #1693 of 23781
Ok, I have done all the tests I could with this unit. I went back and got another today came home and tested the hell out of it. It's going back for good tomorrow!

I am using all high quality Monster Cables for these tests... so cables are not an issue.

I used both the front E2 inputs and the rear E1 inputs for recording from my VCR using composite Monster cables. Results were the same. I still get a flickering effect where the picture seems to brighten for a split second then goes back to normal. I tried using the HDMI out to the TV and the Component out to the TV... again results were the same. All these flickering effects happen at the same time on the playback of the video when played through the 3576. The don't just happen randomly. There is obviously a problem with the rendering of the video signal through the IN's on this unit.

I also noticed that the video output through the HDMI is considerably darker than when output through the COMPONENT. Wy is this? I don't like the way it looks through the HDMI really.

Here is the info provided on my unit and maybe it's just a bad batch or something.... If anyone can use this info to confirm something I am all ears!

Philips DDVR3576H/37

Serial No: LN1a0819027109
Pack Date Code: 19 May 2008

Are there other brands that would be better than this Philips/Magnavox unit out there that have a HDD?
post #1694 of 23781
Thread Starter 
And you've played the tape directly to the same TV (with same cables if poss.)?
post #1695 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by wajo View Post

And you've played the tape directly to the same TV (with same cables if poss.)?


Yes, I did. I meant to put that in the last response but my brain has been overloaded.

I also meant to ask about writing to dvd with the recorder. When writing to the dvd does it create a VIDEO_TS folder? If not is the dvd playable on any dvd player still?

Thanks to wajo as well for your incredibly detailed thread on this unit. It seems you love this product. I just wish I could say the same. I love the concept of the HDD then the ability to edit and write to DVD. If the two units I had so far didn't exibit this anomoly it would be almost perfect, but I still don't like how the HDMI out is very dark.

Cheers,
Jim
post #1696 of 23781
Does anyone have an opinion on the Pioneer HDD/DVD Recorders and their quality? I have noticed that they seem to be international versions. I was looking at this one... Pioneer DVR-650H 1080p PAL/NTSC
post #1697 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Does anyone have an opinion on the Pioneer HDD/DVD Recorders and their quality? I have noticed that they seem to be international versions. I was looking at this one... Pioneer DVR-650H 1080p PAL/NTSC

Here is a thread about the 650
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1003339
post #1698 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalofloyd View Post

Yes, I did. I meant to put that in the last response but my brain has been overloaded.

I also meant to ask about writing to dvd with the recorder. When writing to the dvd does it create a VIDEO_TS folder? If not is the dvd playable on any dvd player still?

Thanks to wajo as well for your incredibly detailed thread on this unit. It seems you love this product. I just wish I could say the same. I love the concept of the HDD then the ability to edit and write to DVD. If the two units I had so far didn't exibit this anomoly it would be almost perfect, but I still don't like how the HDMI out is very dark.

Cheers,
Jim

DVDs created are playable in other machines if the discs are Finalized in the Disc Edit menu. Procedure in this help file.

The dark pic is primarily seen with HDMI on 768p TVs, which are usually 40" or smaller... they're designed for video and COMPUTER use... 768p is not a video format. These TVs are advertised as 720p and usually have in their specs "720p (768p).

You can try HDMI set for YCbCr Format, as described at the bottom of this help file, which also has some info on the dark pic.
post #1699 of 23781
I have a panasonic hdtv with an antenna all the network digital channels are perfect but when I use the 3575 to view or record NBC or FOX the picture is choppy and has dropouts of vidio and picture. I was told gold tipped antenna wires would help.
I'm new to this site, hope I entered correctly.
post #1700 of 23781
Thread Starter 
What kind of antenna are you using and is the TV getting its signal thru the 3576's amplified coax passthru, i.e., coax from antenna to 3576 and on to the TV? or what?

Really need more details on your setup cuz mentioning "gold tipped antenna wires" sounds mighty "suspicious"!
post #1701 of 23781
And, how well is it aimed?
post #1702 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by flamike View Post

I have a panasonic hdtv with an antenna all the network digital channels are perfect but when I use the 3575 to view or record NBC or FOX the picture is choppy and has dropouts of vidio and picture. I was told gold tipped antenna wires would help.
I'm new to this site, hope I entered correctly.

Are you in the Philly metro area by any chance. Are you talking about FOX and NBC from Philly.
post #1703 of 23781
Quote:
Originally Posted by vicdreyer View Post

Dang, I noticed why my clock isn't displayed when the Unit is off....
I've got Comcast cable and also use a Comcast remote, the UF4-200C (see attached). When I use this remote to turn my cable box off, it turns my 3576 machine off AT THE SAME TIME (and I mean turns it OFF completely..like there was a power failure...like I unplugged it.) I lose my clock settings, lose all the timer recordings that I programmed, etc.
It's like the Comcast remote control is also sending a hard shut down signal to the 3576 when I press the POWER button to turn the cable box off.

I can still use my Phillips remote to turn my 3576 off and the clock shows when it is turned off and I don't lose my timer programmed settings (obviously now I don't use the Comcast remote to shut my cable box off anymore, otherwise it does a hard shut down of my 3576 and I have to re-input my clock setting and timer recordings every time).

Is that weird or what? I think the Comcast remote control frequency is messing with my 3576, so I'm going to see if I can exchange my Comcast remote (or even exchange my Comcast cable box and remote)

Is that weird or what?!

Vic

Quote:
Originally Posted by vicdreyer View Post

I do have the 3576 plugged into the STB...that's would explain it! (I take it you found this out the hard way too?)

Thanks again for all the help
This forum rocks!

Vic

If you check the forums dedicated to them, you will find that most people with Comcast Moto DVRs NEVER turn them off, and experience far fewer problems with them that way. There is really no energy saving by turning them off. Also, in the DVR menu, you can choose to make its power outlet unswitched, so you can continue turning off your DVR, but leave power to your DVDR on.
post #1704 of 23781
I have an antenna in the attic and I'm close to Tampa fl. My hd panasonic gets all the channels on it's own without any disturbance. I also have an old analog TV with a digital converter in another room that has no problem. The signal meter on the converter box says all channels are at 80% or higher.(the channels I have a problem with are not the weekest)
The antenna wire goes from the wall to the 3575 then to the TV, the output from the 3575 is through a hdmi wire to the tv. The only time there is a problem is when viewing or recording using the 3575 tuner on FOX or NBC all other channels are fine:PBS,CW,CBS, ABC etc.
Is the tuner on the 3575 just not as good as the TV or is there something I can do?
I should have said gold plated connectors were recommended, not gold tipped.
post #1705 of 23781
Hi All,

this is excellent tread, very helpful. I just got 3576 and have couple of questions.

1. I scanned all the analog channels and left unit off for about 1hr in order to auto set clock. Clock is not set. Any advice on this?

2. Is there region free code? It seems that one for 3575 does not work. I apologize if such discussion is not permitted here.

I'm in Canada, analog only channel setup.

Thank you.
post #1706 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSimpson View Post

Hi All,

this is excellent tread, very helpful. I just got 3576 and have couple of questions.

1. I scanned all the analog channels and left unit off for about 1hr in order to auto set clock. Clock is not set. Any advice on this?

Go to Clock menu and set clock yourself for first use (1st option in the Clock menu), then the Auto Clock setting should keep it set if you've got a U.S. PBS channel in your lineup. If not, I'd set Auto Clock Off cuz it wakes the machine up briefly at noon and midnight to search for the PBS signal, and no use if there is none where you live.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSimpson View Post

2. Is there region free code? It seems that one for 3575 does not work. I apologize if such discussion is not permitted here.

Lots of people have searched and I even tried one and all have failed. Not worth it cuz it could affect warranty (anything they could see internally that they didn't authorize). Just in case you didn't know, all DVDs created by you in the 3576 will be "all region" playable (with NTSC equipment) and show Region 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 in a computer program that reads the disc, like DVD Decrypter. The Region Code is only for playback of OTHER peoples discs or comm. discs produced for other NTSC countries/areas.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSimpson View Post

I'm in Canada, analog only channel setup.

Did you scan for Antenna channels, or if you have cable, did you scan for Cable (Analog/Digital). Even if you only subscribe to basic cable (analog), you might be able to tune some digital QAM channels, so you should scan for both analog and digital.
post #1707 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flamike View Post

I have an antenna in the attic and I'm close to Tampa fl. My hd panasonic gets all the channels on it's own without any disturbance. I also have an old analog TV with a digital converter in another room that has no problem. The signal meter on the converter box says all channels are at 80% or higher.(the channels I have a problem with are not the weekest)
The antenna wire goes from the wall to the 3575 then to the TV, the output from the 3575 is through a hdmi wire to the tv. The only time there is a problem is when viewing or recording using the 3575 tuner on FOX or NBC all other channels are fine:PBS,CW,CBS, ABC etc.
Is the tuner on the 3575 just not as good as the TV or is there something I can do?
I should have said gold plated connectors were recommended, not gold tipped.

TV tuners are generally better than DVDR tuners, but the one thing I'm thinking is the 3575's AMPLIFIED coax connection and what diff. it might make if those two channels are DIGITAL, not analog.

Apparently, digital TV signals can be TOO STRONG for some tuners! If they are, they can disappear (go blue-screen), tile, macroblock, etc. One thing you can do if you have a 2-way splitter is to connect the incoming cable to the splitter, then just one output to the 3575 (leave other output open, it's just a test)... this might "attenuate" the signal -3.7dB to see if the signal really is too strong for the AMPLIFIED 3575 input. (Your Panny doesn't have an amp'd input.)

If you have a 4- or 6-way splitter, connect just one leg and that should reduce signal by -7.4dB or so. I have no idea if this will work, but it WILL be interesting cuz I've wondered about this signal strength thing for awhile since I read about it all over the internet, where people are even advising people to insert an "Attenuator" in the line to reduce signal strength (like these, I think?).

This might become a bigger problem with the new digital age and people being used to trying to BEFF UP their signals... this might require a reversal of thinking, or at least some awareness of the issue?

EDIT: I just found this on another search of "digital signal too strong" and it's something really easy to try:

"Just to update, I had a email back off Compro and they advised that the signal could actualy be too strong to allow the digital TV receiver to generate a stable picture. I was advised to loosen the RF connector to the digital input (so it wasn't pushed right in). The signal is actually a lot better now, although I still can't get all freeview channels. So it does appear the signal was too strong for the tuner to cope."
post #1708 of 23781
[quote=wajo;14658677]Go to Clock menu and set clock yourself for first use (1st option in the Clock menu), then the Auto Clock setting should keep it set if you've got a U.S. PBS channel in your lineup. If not, I'd set Auto Clock Off cuz it wakes the machine up briefly at noon and midnight to search for the PBS signal, and no use if there is none where you live.

Wajo, thank you for the help. I read your original post about that procedure, just decided that if it doesn't work, then something is wrong (and unit goes back). I'm using analog cable and I scanned channels first.

What happened after is that at the midnight unit picked time, just wrong one, about hour and couple of minutes off. However in the morning clock shows correct time. Maybe someone else encounter similar behavior. I'm testing timer recording now.

I gave up region code search, I have another unlocked DVD player and I probably get another Philips DVD player for DivX. You are right, it does not worth to tamper with warranty.

Thank you again.
post #1709 of 23781
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSimpson View Post

I gave up region code search, I have another unlocked DVD player and I probably get another Philips DVD player for DivX. You are right, it does not worth to tamper with warranty.

According to several users, the 3575/3576 play DivX (plus Xvid reported by one user), but you might want a separate player for another reason? According to manual, the Mag 2160 doesn't play either.
post #1710 of 23781
You can manually set the clock to your PBS station as well, I think it's the manual setting, when you get to the right one there's a option to set the channel then it should keep correct time after that. At least until they shut all the analog off soon
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: DVD Recorders (Standard Def)
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › DVD Recorders (Standard Def) › Magnavox 537, 535, 533, 515, 513, 2160A, 2160, 2080 & Philips 3576, 3575