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post #17251 of 23783
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Originally Posted by dprand View Post

We had a power outage yesterday and the power flickered on and off several times. When the power returned permanently about an hour later the Magnavox was totally dead. No response with power button, no light in the lcd panel, no response from the remote.


This is exactly the same scenario my brother had with his now dead Pioneer DVR-320-S. Power went out and all was lost thereafter. Still has a DVD inside which I can't figure out how to extricate. There is no pinhole on the tray panel.

He seems to be happy with his 515 and to me looks damn near new. It came in a plain box but everything was there with remote, instructions and cables. No previous recordings were on it.

He did however complain that there was no TV volume control on the remote. My XS34 has that universal capability. What I noticed about it was the previews (similar to Panasonic's) which automatically play recorded shows within the title list. My Toshiba only displays a thumbnail of the recording which I prefer.

I did like the fact of one touch recordings up to six hours! I wish my Toshiba had that feature.

Seems to be a nice recorder. Since most of the DVD HDD recorder market is very limited due to cable and satellite DVR's, it's nice to know you can still retain your own recordings even if you switch providers. Wonder though how long this will last?
post #17252 of 23783
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Walmart 515 refurbs are back, only 5 in stock now, $208. Might be only ones they have or start of another batch?

post #17253 of 23783
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Might be only ones they have or start of another batch?

I have a feeling refurbs will be plentiful soon after December 25.
post #17254 of 23783
Had previously used CDRoller to pull video tracks from unfinalized/damaged Panny DVR DVD-R discs (or to recover deleted DVD-R tracks).

Just tried with (my first) failed Maggy burned DVD-R disc (error "Cannot Record On This Disc" hit while recording 3rd title on disc). Disc also did not work in another Magnavox unit.

CDRoller (used an 8.x version for this, think they're up to 9.x) worked fine to get the .vob files, which were used to successfully generate a new DVD.

Appears to confirm Wajo's "Title Recovery" section speculation about the suitability of this software.
post #17255 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jam-h View Post

Appears to confirm Wajo's "Title Recovery" section speculation about the suitability of this software.

Thanks for confirmation. I changed the help file to link to your post as one successful use on a Mag disc.
post #17256 of 23783
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FYI: If considering an order thru Worldwide Distributors, be aware they may deduct $$$ for original FREE shipping from any returned, defective item, as they did to one person here.

post #17257 of 23783
I got my refurbed 515 from Worldwide yesterday and set it up. The 515 is in excellent shape, and all accessories (less batteries for the remote) were present. The label on the outside of the box said it was refurbed by Funai on 2011/11/23. After doing the initial channel scan, I checked the firmware revision. Even though it was refurbed very recently, it still had original firmware, so I updated it to 727H/V and rescanned. I've got one problem, then several comments.

Question:I'm on Knology cable, and have both analog and a bunch of clear QAM channels. One of the clear QAM channels, 104.11 has no sound. It is one of the subchannels of our local OTA stations. Other channels on the main channel, 104.9, and 104.12, have sound. I did a recan with no change. I deleted the 104.xx channel group manually, then readded it, no change. I switched to analog then back to digital, no change. It comes in fine on other clear QAM tuners. Any ideas?

Comments: Some of these may be wishlist candidates or clarifications to the current list.

1. DTS passthru on digital out/HDMI for DVD's needs to be enabled. This should be a no brainer since the DTS track can be selected on the DVD. To a player, it simply appears as a PCM stream and it passes it as such to the AV receiver to decode. I don't think they'd even have to license anything since it is simply a passthru, not a decoder. Then could silence the RCA outputs when DTS is selected. Virtually every DVD player on the market can do it, so why this one doesn't baffles me. My old Polaroid DRM-2001G HDD/DVD recorder can do it (it even has a built in DTS 5.1 decoder, not advertised). BTW, I tried both sound over HDMI and over digital coax, and there was no difference.

2. Most of my digital locals broadcast in 5.1 DD. Since the stream that the 515 sees is basically an mpeg2 video stream with the 5.1 DD sound on it, the tuner in the 5.1 has to demux the stream and downconvert the 5.1 sound stream into a 2.0 stream. The tuner should be able to simply passthru the 5.1 stream to the HDMI or digital coax, no decode required. The max bit rate for DD is 640 Kbps, and many times 5.1 is at 384 or 448 Kbps, so the size difference on a HDD or DVD is not that big, especially compared to the video stream. Passing thru and recording the original 5.1 is a no brainer since it takes virtually no processing power in the 515 to do it.

3. My cableco labels the local clear QAM stations with the call letters, or what the subchannels are (e.g. WAFF or THIS). This needs to be displayed when surfing along with the raw channel number. The label is available on the first INFO screen, so this should be easy to implement.

4. Add the ability to add/edit labels to raw channel numbers to be displayed when surfing analog and digital channels. My no-name brand 7" portable DTV has this ability, so obviously it isn't that hard.

5. Add a SIMPLE way to check to see if a station has a valid time signal. Doing the 11:57 AM trick is neat, but it can take quite awhile. This should be enabled in the Manual Time screen when you select a station; the 515 should do a check, and tell you if that station is capable or not. (BTW, the only station I could find in my local area with the 11:57 trick was PBS, and it's time was about 40 minutes off!).

Observations:
My 515 can playback region free (region "0") PAL DVD's over HDMI. The playback is somewhat jerky, possibly as a result of the different framerates between PAL and NTSC, but it can do it.

Picture quality is very good. Obviously not HD quality, but far superior to what I expected. I got this mainly to make DVD's of broadcast shows for my girlfriend in a different state (my Windows Media Center HTPC will do it, but it takes forever and and PQ is not that great on the DVD's). Pleasantly surprised.

Let's face it, the 515 and previous versions are geek machines. The general public has moved beyond VCRs of old as far as setting up timers to record programs. Unless or until a 515 or successor have a built in guide of at least a week of channel listings, map clear QAM channels to "real world" channels (channel 48.1 in the real world is 105.2 on the 515), and make it a simple matter to select a show from the guide to record it, these will not be big sellers. Also, not being able to record a series, new episodes only, is a key omission not possible without a guide. I'm not sure where Microsoft gets their guide info for Windows Media Center, but it is pretty accurate, and it is fairly easy to assign guide data to clear QAM channels if it is missing. If Funai could use the same guide data, it would be a huge improvement. The more mainstream Funai can make this product, the better chance for us to have them available in the future. The digital PQ is good enough for 90% of the public, the analog PQ is as good as any cable box I've had. An IR blaster would also be a huge plus for those poor souls on Comcast. I like the 515 so far, but I wouldn't give one to my technology challenged girlfriend.

One final question: should I buy a backup DVD burner for this? It appears these units are very reliable in general. I don't plan on using anything but 8x media. My old Polaroid DRM-2001G quickly got a new burner (fortunately it can use a standard computer burner). My gut tells me to buy one, but it doesn't appear that many people have had to replace them.

Thanks,
Jon
post #17258 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

1. DTS passthru on digital out/HDMI for DVD's needs to be enabled. This should be a no brainer since the DTS track can be selected on the DVD.

Go to General Setting-> Playback-> Disc Audio-> Dolby Digital-> and select "Stream".
post #17259 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

3. My cableco labels the local clear QAM stations with the call letters, or what the subchannels are (e.g. WAFF or THIS). This needs to be displayed when surfing along with the raw channel number. The label is available on the first INFO screen, so this should be easy to implement.

My network call letters are listed under the channel number on the info banner. The 515 is capable but I don't know why it isn't working for you.
post #17260 of 23783
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Go to General Setting-> Playback-> Disc Audio-> Dolby Digital-> and select "Stream".

That's the way it is set up. Streams DD 5.1 fine. No DTS.

Jon
post #17261 of 23783
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I posted this also in the HDD Investigation thread.

I've always wondered if an app called CDRoller might be able to read and "recover" files on our HDDs.

jamh has used it successfully on a Mag DVD, but I hadn't heard of anyone trying to use it on a HDD. So, I emailed and got a confirmation that they had tested it on a camcorder HDD attached via USB.

Here's that confirmation with lots more info for anyone who wants to try it in an external HDD system:

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Thanks for your attention to CDRoller. We have already assisted some users to retrieve the lost video from HDD built in camcorders. However, please keep in mind, each camcorder was connected to PCs via USB port and had a separate letter in the Windows Computer. We did not test the work with Magnavox HDD connected via Sata to PC. At first, please try the newest trial version at http://www.cdroller.com/htm/download.html . Also, if you need a temporary license key to complete the tests, just let me know.

A couple of common words how to use CDRoller.
1. Connect you recorder to PC and make sure it has a letter in the Windows My Computer.
2. Run CDRoller. By default, the program works in CD/DVD data recovery mode. Please switch CDRoller into the Flash data recovery mode selecting the 'Flash data recovery' in the 'View'\\'Program mode'.
3. Restart CDRoller. Does the program recognize your recorder in the Flash data recovery mode? If yes, what info do you see in the File System column?

Paul Goldenberg
CDRoller Development & Support Dept
Digital Atlantic Corp.
support@cdroller.com
http://www.cdroller.com

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Other info/options on title recovery are in this help file.

post #17262 of 23783
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

My network call letters are listed under the channel number on the info banner. The 515 is capable but I don't know why it isn't working for you.

As I said, it shows on the info screen after you hit Display. It needs to show it on screen as you hit channel up or down along with the channel number as you surf. As it is, you have to hit channel up, then hit display every time you hit channel up or down. Just a wish.

Jon
post #17263 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

As I said, it shows on the info screen after you hit Display. It needs to show it on screen as you hit channel up or down along with the channel number as you surf. As it is, you have to hit channel up, then hit display every time you hit channel up or down. Just a wish.

Jon

I thought my cable company was good, but yours is fantastic. My clear QAM comes through with no PSIP data. I see no station names or logos, have no valid clock channel, and little or no SCTE-127 data. MY PBS analog is off by 2.5 hours weekdays, and my Fox analog is off by 2 years on weekends.

No audio problems on 143 digital channels, 20 in HD. Not all 515H channel numbers agree with other devices, but they don't move around.

True, a better clock sync or info would be nice. But I asked for that years ago. It would be better to have it suck the time from the internet or show the time & time channel with the Display button.

On that last display screen, it would be nice to see the INPUT, not the OUTPUT.

You can read backwards and form your own conclusion, but I give the chances of change to this unit somewhere about zero or less.
post #17264 of 23783
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I thought my cable company was good, but yours is fantastic. My clear QAM comes through with no PSIP data. I see no station names or logos, have no valid clock channel, and little or no SCTE-127 data. MY PBS analog is off by 2.5 hours weekdays, and my Fox analog is off by 2 years on weekends.

No audio problems on 143 digital channels, 20 in HD. Not all 515H channel numbers agree with other devices, but they don't move around.

True, a better clock sync or info would be nice. But I asked for that years ago. It would be better to have it suck the time from the internet or show the time & time channel with the Display button.

On that last display screen, it would be nice to see the INPUT, not the OUTPUT.

You can read backwards and form your own conclusion, but I give the chances of change to this unit somewhere about zero or less.

Just to be clear, I only have station names on the locals. Anything else I get in the clear is anonomous. I get no guide data, even from the locals.

I'm surprised at how much I'm currently getting in the clear. I hadn't checked in a long time, but I didn't used to get much except the locals. My main viewing source is my HTPC with a Ceton tuner with cable card, so I know what I'm getting and what I'm missing in the clear in the digital world. Kind of makes up for the generally cr_ppy analog I get!

Oh, and I agree with you on new models of this. However, I think they could sell a LOT more if there was some sort of channel guide. If they added ethernet just for time and a channel guide they'd be miles ahead.
post #17265 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Just to be clear, I only have station names on the locals. Anything else I get in the clear is anonomous. I get no guide data, even from the locals.

I'm surprised at how much I'm currently getting in the clear. I hadn't checked in a long time, but I didn't used to get much except the locals. My main viewing source is my HTPC with a Ceton tuner with cable card, so I know what I'm getting and what I'm missing in the clear in the digital world. Kind of makes up for the generally cr_ppy analog I get!

Oh, and I agree with you on new models of this. However, I think they could sell a LOT more if there was some sort of channel guide. If they added ethernet just for time and a channel guide they'd be miles ahead.

I'm sure you have read Post #1 for its two Wish Lists. The only time I view analog is checking on TVGOS packets that come through on my analog C-SPAN channel.

I have a little Sanyo HD TV with the same type of tuner as the 515H, and it says my channel 2 is CBS. I don't know where it gets that data, since it also says my channel 5 is CW when it's really Fox.

A channel guide makes the internals so much more complex, plus when it stops working you have to fight with two content providers. I am glad there is no guide but I long for an accurate clock. Also, I know of no cable based guide that can follow clear QAM channels. And no way are we getting a cable card.

As for sales: the number of feedback comments of the 2160A on walmart.com was well over 1000 before it was discontinued. What percentage of buyers leave comments?

Cable rule number 1: all cable feeds are local. Even if they are the same corporation.

BTW, WAFF is on channel 49. PSIP gets you 48.1, and your cable feed gives it to you on 105.2.

Welcome to the raw real world.
post #17266 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Unless or until a 515 or successor have a built in guide of at least a week of channel listings, map clear QAM channels to "real world" channels (channel 48.1 in the real world is 105.2 on the 515), and make it a simple matter to select a show from the guide to record it, these will not be big sellers.

Don't worry, from a reliable inside font, we know there's a 99% chance that won't be any new models, so...

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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

One final question: should I buy a backup DVD burner for this?

Please, just do it.
post #17267 of 23783
Did some more checking. The channel that has a picture and no sound comes in on 104.11 on my 515. On my flatscreen, it shows actual channel as 104.104 and it has sound. A second HTPC that I have that only has a clear QAM tuner didn't see it on a re-scan, but I manually added it at 104.104 in the QAM 256 mode; it also has sound. If I tried manually at 104.11, it came up scrambled in either QAM 64 or 256 mode.

Of course, the 515 won't allow 3 digit subchannels. I've tried entering other subchannel numbers, and they either come up scrambled, or revert back to the three subchannels that aren't. For whatever reason the Magnavox puts it at 104.11. Any ideas on what to do to get sound?
post #17268 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Did some more checking. The channel that has a picture and no sound comes in on 104.11 on my 515. On my flatscreen, it shows actual channel as 104.104 and it has sound. A second HTPC that I have that only has a clear QAM tuner didn't see it on a re-scan, but I manually added it at 104.104 in the QAM 256 mode; it also has sound. If I tried manually at 104.11, it came up scrambled in either QAM 64 or 256 mode.

Of course, the 515 won't allow 3 digit subchannels. I've tried entering other subchannel numbers, and they either come up scrambled, or revert back to the three subchannels that aren't. For whatever reason the Magnavox puts it at 104.11. Any ideas on what to do to get sound?

Do you have any other channels, analog or digital, that are the same network and programming? Could be some tuning interference?
post #17269 of 23783
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Do you have any other channels, analog or digital, that are the same network and programming? Could be some tuning interference?

Nothing I can find. It's the only instance of this channel in the entire lineup, digital only. It is a low power local analog station that the cableco is converting and putting on the digital lineup. I'm not going to die if I can't fix this, but I thought it was an interesting issue.

I thought I understood the way digital tuning works, with the "real" channel that converts to a "virtual channel" on some devices. But the 515 throws another wrinkle into the mix.

Jon
post #17270 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Did some more checking. The channel that has a picture and no sound comes in on 104.11 on my 515. On my flatscreen, it shows actual channel as 104.104 and it has sound. A second HTPC that I have that only has a clear QAM tuner didn't see it on a re-scan, but I manually added it at 104.104 in the QAM 256 mode; it also has sound. If I tried manually at 104.11, it came up scrambled in either QAM 64 or 256 mode.

Of course, the 515 won't allow 3 digit subchannels. I've tried entering other subchannel numbers, and they either come up scrambled, or revert back to the three subchannels that aren't. For whatever reason the Magnavox puts it at 104.11. Any ideas on what to do to get sound?

All that matters is the last one or two digits. My NBC HD is 84.1 on the 515H and 84.1201 on my Sony's. I only have one NTSC channel without audio - 135, and the 515H doesn't tune that high. Since it is one of five cable company BBS channels I ignore it. Have you a valid 104.4 and 104.1? One item missing from the 515H is a "no signal" display. You can look for no bars on the Display function I guess. But I don't think you can tune an invalid digital channel. I have a channel 74.508 that is 74.1 on the 515H, but it has audio.

I'm afraid my HTPC experience is close to zero. Sorry I can't help.
post #17271 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Nothing I can find. It's the only instance of this channel in the entire lineup, digital only. It is a low power local analog station that the cableco is converting and putting on the digital lineup. I'm not going to die if I can't fix this, but I thought it was an interesting issue.

I thought I understood the way digital tuning works, with the "real" channel that converts to a "virtual channel" on some devices. But the 515 throws another wrinkle into the mix.

Jon

Use the Manual Channel Preset menu to Delete that other channel.
post #17272 of 23783
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Use the Manual Channel Preset menu to Delete that other channel.

There is no other instance of the channel. It is not carried on the analog tier, only digital. The digital version is the one and only instance of the channel. Oh, and there is no identification of the channel at all, no call letters, no name, nothing. Only some of my local stations have any ID on clear QAM and while this is local, there is no ID.

Jon
post #17273 of 23783
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

All that matters is the last one or two digits. My NBC HD is 84.1 on the 515H and 84.1201 on my Sony's. I only have one NTSC channel without audio - 135, and the 515H doesn't tune that high. Since it is one of five cable company BBS channels I ignore it. Have you a valid 104.4 and 104.1? One item missing from the 515H is a "no signal" display. You can look for no bars on the Display function I guess. But I don't think you can tune an invalid digital channel. I have a channel 74.508 that is 74.1 on the 515H, but it has audio.

I'm afraid my HTPC experience is close to zero. Sorry I can't help.

104.4 and 104.1 both come up as scrambled on the 515. Hmmm, maybe that is the issue. 104.104 wants to display on the 515 as one of those two channels, but it can't because they are occupied by scrambled channels. So it displays on 104.11 and loses it's audio (?).

Jon
post #17274 of 23783
I have a quick question. I just purchased a 515H which is coming this week. From everything I have now read, it won't record our digital channels of 1005 thru 1010. is that right? We have Cox cable and I am switching from my troublesome Panasonic EZ28 which can record those channels.
post #17275 of 23783
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I have a quick question. I just purchased a 515H which is coming this week. From everything I have now read, it won't record our digital channels of 1005 thru 1010. is that right? We have Cox cable and I am switching from my troublesome Panasonic EZ28 which can record those channels.

If 1005 thru 1010 are channels that would be free using an ATSC capable OTA antenna, they should be unscrambled (clear QAM) and thus tunable with the 515, but the channel numbers would not be the same 4 digits as on the cable box.
post #17276 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

Streams DD 5.1 fine. No DTS.
Jon

OK, I thought you were saying you couldn't get 5.1 at all.
post #17277 of 23783
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

If 1005 thru 1010 are channels that would be free using an ATSC capable OTA antenna, they should be unscrambled (clear QAM) and thus tunable with the 515, but the channel numbers would not be the same 4 digits as on the cable box.

Thanks for responding...what would they come in as? By the way, I am just attaching the 515 to the cable. I do not have a cable box. I was hoping it would detect the channels during the scan but I read where it doesn't scan past channel 125.
Ray
post #17278 of 23783
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

Thanks for responding...what would they come in as? By the way, I am just attaching the 515 to the cable. I do not have a cable box. I was hoping it would detect the channels during the scan but I read where it doesn't scan past channel 125.
Ray

Here's some info on tuning with the Mag 515.
post #17279 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

2. Most of my digital locals broadcast in 5.1 DD. Since the stream that the 515 sees is basically an mpeg2 video stream with the 5.1 DD sound on it, the tuner in the 5.1 has to demux the stream and downconvert the 5.1 sound stream into a 2.0 stream. The tuner should be able to simply passthru the 5.1 stream to the HDMI or digital coax, no decode required. The max bit rate for DD is 640 Kbps, and many times 5.1 is at 384 or 448 Kbps, so the size difference on a HDD or DVD is not that big, especially compared to the video stream. Passing thru and recording the original 5.1 is a no brainer since it takes virtually no processing power in the 515 to do it.

Yep...

When I watch live TV over an antenna (using the Maggie's tuner) I don't get 5.1 audio output to my Pioneer Receiver even though I'm using the digital coaxial output.

But, when I watch live TV over an antenna (using my Panasonic EZ-27's tuner) I do get 5.1 audio output to my Pioneer Receiver using the digital optical output.

I wish the Maggie would "pass-through" the original audio signal stream if watching "live" TV through it's tuner...
post #17280 of 23783
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Originally Posted by jonlowe View Post

104.4 and 104.1 both come up as scrambled on the 515. Hmmm, maybe that is the issue. 104.104 wants to display on the 515 as one of those two channels, but it can't because they are occupied by scrambled channels. So it displays on 104.11 and loses it's audio (?).

Jon

That's reasonable. My TV says I have a 26.0000 and it's scrambled. The 515H says I have a 26.6101 and it's scrambled. The 515H moves the 26.x block up by one to compensate. I'm not saying this is your issue, but just that all tuners are not created equal. I blame my cable company, since they are all evil anyhow. [joke]
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