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post #17461 of 23899
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

One other question...can i use a CD to make the FW disc? I am not installing it yet but want it handy in case i might. Also, would i use this update if i have a problem with the skip option in the menu.
Thanks again for all the help. this is by far and away the most help forum out there!!!!

Yes. See Step 6 here.
post #17462 of 23899
I got the h2160 and am kind of a newbie at all this. i know it doesnt record in hd but how do i set it up to where i am watching hd channels that i am able to access the dvd recorders menu and features? right now when the input on tv is on hdmi i can record but when i want to go playback i got to change the input on tv to another input to see what i recorded. I hope someone can help me and understand what i am trying to say. I am sure its just a matter of changing the configurations of the wires.
post #17463 of 23899
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Originally Posted by cjells View Post

I got the h2160 and am kind of a newbie at all this. i know it doesnt record in hd but how do i set it up to where i am watching hd channels that i am able to access the dvd recorders menu and features? right now when the input on tv is on hdmi i can record but when i want to go playback i got to change the input on tv to another input to see what i recorded. I hope someone can help me and understand what i am trying to say. I am sure its just a matter of changing the configurations of the wires.

It sounds as if you just need to "activate" the HDMi circuit for 1st use by pressing the HDMI button.

That lets you set the HDMI output to one of its 4 formats: 480p (its starting point), 720p, 1080i or 1080p, all shown on the front panel display and most likely on your TV display as well. The Mag will skip any format your TV is not capable of dislaying.

This ass-u-mes you've got the HDMI cable from its output on the Mag to an Input of the TV that you can select on it.

Make sure you've got page 1 of this thread bookmarked for answers to virtually all your questions. Click #1 in my sig.
post #17464 of 23899
i hvae the hdmi hooked up through the cable box. i assumed in order to get hd you would need to connect the hdmi wire from hd cable box and tv. so if i connect it through the dvd recorder will i stil get hd?
post #17465 of 23899
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Originally Posted by cjells View Post

i hvae the hdmi hooked up through the cable box. i assumed in order to get hd you would need to connect the hdmi wire from hd cable box and tv. so if i connect it through the dvd recorder will i stil get hd?

You'll need BOTH the box and the Mag hooked to your TV via HDMI (or any other cable type), then the box will show stuff in HD and the Mag will show stuff in SD, the only res. it can show. The HDMI from the Mag should go directly to the TV.

All DVDRs are 480i SD as reqd by the DVD Std. The Mag can upconvert that 480i to 1080p, but it will still have been downconverted to 480i first.

See Sketch 3 here for connections for Cable TV with a cable box, plus as much explanatory text as you can stand.
post #17466 of 23899
Firmware question.

I recently downloaded the 515 firmware from Funai. However, in the back of my mind I seem to remember someone referring to a "beta" version. Is this beta version different from what is on the Funai site?

BTW, I am testing the freeze problem to see if it is corrected. I am not scheduling a 2 minute digital timer after my analog timers. We'll see what happens.
post #17467 of 23899
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Firmware question.

I recently downloaded the 515 firmware from Funai. However, in the back of my mind I seem to remember someone referring to a "beta" version. Is this beta version different from what is on the Funai site?.........

Yes. Funai, with the help of several MDR515 owners are testing a new beta FW to correct, among other items, the "freeze" problem several owners have encountered with the new MDR515 model. (Ref Jerrymc777's post here.)

According to 234's post, Funai are still seeking additional MDR515 testers for this beta FW update. 234 has indicated, any MDR515 owner interested in testing this new beta FW should contact him through this forum's Private Messaging (PM) system.
post #17468 of 23899
I have a relative using the Magnavox 515 for over-the-air only recording of programs. The primary channels work fine (5.1 and so on), but the sub-channels (5.3, 5.4, 5.45 et al) black out and don't record anything but a black screen.

The strange part is that I can tune in the subchannels using the Mag 515 tuner and record them live, but if I set up the timer for them and turn the unit off--nothing.

Any thoughts or anyone having similar issues that can offer a solution?
post #17469 of 23899
Thanks, Stapler, I have now pm'ed him.

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Originally Posted by stapler1234 View Post

Yes. Funai, with the help of several MDR515 owners are testing a new beta FW to correct, among other items, the "freeze" problem several owners have encountered with the new MDR515 model. (Ref Jerrymc777's post here.)

According to 234's post, Funai are still seeking additional MDR515 testers for this beta FW update. 234 has indicated, any MDR515 owner interested in testing this new beta FW should contact him through this forum's Private Messaging (PM) system.
post #17470 of 23899
Hi there. Can I downgrade a 513 FW just to the 2160A version?

I don't like the lack of double menus (Are you sure?).

Thanks and happy holidays to all!
post #17471 of 23899
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Originally Posted by Mpls Mike View Post

I have a relative using the Magnavox 515 for over-the-air only recording of programs. The primary channels work fine (5.1 and so on), but the sub-channels (5.3, 5.4, 5.45 et al) black out and don't record anything but a black screen.

The strange part is that I can tune in the subchannels using the Mag 515 tuner and record them live, but if I set up the timer for them and turn the unit off--nothing.

Any thoughts or anyone having similar issues that can offer a solution?

There are several references and possible "fixes" about this problem HERE, under "Specific Problems & Solutions", item 4, "Timer Records Black or Wrong Channel".
post #17472 of 23899
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

Hi there. Can I downgrade a 513 FW just to the 2160A version?

I don't like the lack of double menus (Are you sure?).

Thanks and happy holidays to all!

It's my understanding that the various FW's can be "reversed" by installing an earlier FW, however in the case of the 2160A, the earliest FW available (72A) not only corrected the E19 Error Message, but also deleted most double "Are you sure" prompts. (Details HERE.)

Vaguely recall someone posting they obtained an earlier FW disk from Funai Support. You might call Funai and see if they have the original 2160A FW on CD/DVD.
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CAUTION: As wajo has often pointed out, FW updating can "fail" and you may end up with a "Brick" (giant paper weight), so be forewarned.
post #17473 of 23899
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Originally Posted by 234 View Post

Is there anybody can help us to test Freeze issue solution FW?
Please PM me.
I need more sample.

Cannot PM due to too few posts, but I could help. I have some experience with lockups and recordings kinda slow right now.

77alpha
post #17474 of 23899
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mpls Mike View Post

I have a relative using the Magnavox 515 for over-the-air only recording of programs. The primary channels work fine (5.1 and so on), but the sub-channels (5.3, 5.4, 5.45 et al) black out and don't record anything but a black screen.

The strange part is that I can tune in the subchannels using the Mag 515 tuner and record them live, but if I set up the timer for them and turn the unit off--nothing.

Any thoughts or anyone having similar issues that can offer a solution?

This was answered recently.

Delete channel 45 in the manual channel setup.

Then program and tune by using 45.3 45.4 45.45 for the new 5.* channels

and 45.5 for the 5.1 repeat.
post #17475 of 23899
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mpls Mike View Post

I have a relative using the Magnavox 515 for over-the-air only recording of programs. The primary channels work fine (5.1 and so on), but the sub-channels (5.3, 5.4, 5.45 et al) black out and don't record anything but a black screen.

The strange part is that I can tune in the subchannels using the Mag 515 tuner and record them live, but if I set up the timer for them and turn the unit off--nothing.

Any thoughts or anyone having similar issues that can offer a solution?

KSTP broadcasts on channel 35. It seems to have many translator locations, so you might have found a bad one or have multipath issues. I see the BV-980H was also a problem. If 35.3 is blank too, you are going to have a problem. Check out the history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSTP-TV

Also (mentioned earlier) see:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21317697

Good luck.
post #17476 of 23899
It's been so long since I've had a freeze on my 515, I forgot that the first symptom is the clock going military. As I previously posted, I stopped using the work-around of not ever letting the unit turn off on an analog channel. After a few days, I've gotten the military time "warning". A freeze is imminent.

I've been in contact with 234, the Funai rep, and hope to get the beta firmware from him for a trial.
post #17477 of 23899
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Originally Posted by EPlay View Post

This happens on my 515. So what I do now is that if something is pre-empted this Monday, I change the recording date to next week Monday's date. Once this Monday passes, I can change it back to every Monday. (Else if I forget, it will record next Monday and disappear from the timers.) I usually do all my programming adjustments every Sunday so i don't forget.

If you want to watch a scheduled recording go away, think Monday. I had three recordings scheduled for yesterday. One was a Monday weekly that I changed to one-time (The Closer) since it was the last show of the season. This week, as we all know, is a crazy TV schedule. I added, after reading your post, a new weekly Monday title. What seemed to matter was Monday. It does seem to. I had one Monday recording set to skip yesterday and one dated for yesterday and one scheduled weekly for Monday and one for Sunday. As of Saturday I had four on my schedule. Now I have one. I should have two.

Last night the one-time recording kicked off fine. Today I have only my weekly Sunday scheduled title. My weekly Monday recording should have been there with the box cleared.

I might matter that when you have several titles scheduled, and change one to be skipped, that title moves to the end of the list. It might mean nothing. It might be a sequence problem. I don't know is the list was always in sequence and the 515H gave us the ability to changed that with just a check mark. It might not be a Monday issue either, but it sounds good.

I have read and rewrote this post several times and can't improve on its clarity. Sorry. I'll keep at it.
post #17478 of 23899
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

Why Doesn't the skip button work?????????

I don't trust the skip button. Several times, the entry simply disappeared after the skipped program.
post #17479 of 23899
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you want to watch a scheduled recording go away, think Monday. I had three recordings scheduled for yesterday. One was a Monday weekly that I changed to one-time (The Closer) since it was the last show of the season. This week, as we all know, is a crazy TV schedule. I added, after reading your post, a new weekly Monday title. What seemed to matter was Monday. It does seem to. I had one Monday recording set to skip yesterday and one dated for yesterday and one scheduled weekly for Monday and one for Sunday. As of Saturday I had four on my schedule. Now I have one. I should have two.

Last night the one-time recording kicked off fine. Today I have only my weekly Sunday scheduled title. My weekly Monday recording should have been there with the box cleared.

I might matter that when you have several titles scheduled, and change one to be skipped, that title moves to the end of the list. It might mean nothing. It might be a sequence problem. I don't know is the list was always in sequence and the 515H gave us the ability to changed that with just a check mark. It might not be a Monday issue either, but it sounds good.

I have read and rewrote this post several times and can't improve on its clarity. Sorry. I'll keep at it.

I read and reread your post and I think I understand. That's what happened to me -- that weekly Monday one should be there with the box cleared but wasn't. (But I'm sure it's not only a Monday glitch and happened to me with other days.) If I didn't check my programmed list against my written list, I would likely not have noticed an entry was missing (and missed who knows how many episodes!).

I think the entry should move to the end of the list since by skipping this week, it would sequentially be the last one to record. But on skipping it, it should be getting unchecked and move sequentially by the days of the week.

I use this "program to next week's specific date until this week's day is passed" method on my Pioneer recorders (which don't have a skip this week feature). I think the best implementation of the feature is on my Toshiba, which has a check mark you can toggle on and off making the program entry "active" or "inactive" for however long until you check or uncheck it.
post #17480 of 23899
This probably isn't what happening to you when the program is skipped then goes missing, but I lost a weekly program recently after 'skipping' and only then figured out that the recorded programs list had gotten so long, it had added a second page (thereby making the earlier programs I had set to record seem to "disappear" because they were on the prior page, and I didn't realize there WERE two pages of programmed shows.) Just thought I'd mention it , in case anyone is in a similar boat. Sometimes stuff just happens!
post #17481 of 23899
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Originally Posted by artwire View Post

This probably isn't what happening to you when the program is skipped then goes missing, but I lost a weekly program recently after 'skipping' and only then figured out that the recorded programs list had gotten so long, it had added a second page (thereby making the earlier programs I had set to record seem to "disappear" because they were on the prior page, and I didn't realize there WERE two pages of programmed shows.) Just thought I'd mention it , in case anyone is in a similar boat. Sometimes stuff just happens!

Does the list change or arrange itself by earliest recording?

Panasonic recorders did that. The top one would drop off and return to the bottom of the list. It seems to me that if the list is a couple of pages, or more, long that the program has not "dissappeared" but is at the bottom, or depending on a "daily" schedule rotated back into the list where it would show up next.

If the "show" did not record however, then it would have been "deleted" from the list.
post #17482 of 23899
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

Does the list change or arrange itself by earliest recording?

Panasonic recorders did that. The top one would drop off and return to the bottom of the list. It seems to me that if the list is a couple of pages, or more, long that the program has not "dissappeared" but is at the bottom, or depending on a "daily" schedule rotated back into the list where it would show up next.

If the "show" did not record however, then it would have been "deleted" from the list.

Info on Timer Priority, etc.
post #17483 of 23899
My report on the 515H ...
After one week of moderate use, the machine has not has a hiccup. I did have that timer issue where i thought it missed a recording but that was operator error I believe. It switches between analog and digital with out a problem so far when in timer mode. The real test will be with the weekly recordings I have set up for it to do.
It is far and away better then my panny ez-28 that I was using!
post #17484 of 23899
I have a 3-year old 2160 that's working fine, but I'm concerned that an upcoming change to our cable system will render this device unusable for all practical purposes. I'm hoping someone here can offer some advice...

In about two months my local cable system will complete a transition to all-digital signals and when the analog channels are shut down all channels will be encrypted. I'm concerned that this will neuter the tuner on my 2160 and make it impossible to program recordings.

Here is my current setup:
*Cable from the wall goes to a splitter
*One output from the splitter goes into the cable box (this box allows us to get "Digital Cable" channels, which are already encrypted)
*The other output from the splitter goes to the 2160

This setup allows me to watch any channel (including digital cable channels) and record any channel that isn't digital cable, and that's just fine. If I could continue to operate this way, that would be great.

But my current understanding is that after the conversion is complete, all channels will be encrypted and the tuner on my 2160 won't be able to tune the encrypted signal so I won't be able to program any recordings.

The cable company is providing DTA-50 devices (two free ones per household) for cable-ready TV's that are not connected to cable boxes. The DTA converts the digital signal to analog but the channel must be tuned on the DTA, not on the TV (the TV is tuned to channel 3). So it doesn't appear to me that using a DTA in this setup would help, because there is no way to program the DTA to change channels.

Meanwhile, the cable company tells me that most other cable systems have already done this conversion ("we are behind in making this transition"). Given the activity on this forum, I'm guessing that some of you are already in this situation (receiving an all-digital feed), and I'm wondering how you've set up your recorders so that they are functional?

Maybe the fly in the ointment is that not every cable system has taken the step of encrypting everything? Or am I missing something about how I can alter my connection scheme to make this work?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.
post #17485 of 23899
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

Does the list change or arrange itself by earliest recording?

Panasonic recorders did that. The top one would drop off and return to the bottom of the list. It seems to me that if the list is a couple of pages, or more, long that the program has not "dissappeared" but is at the bottom, or depending on a "daily" schedule rotated back into the list where it would show up next.

If the "show" did not record however, then it would have been "deleted" from the list.

I know that skipping the show will move it to the bottom of the list, and it does that initially. But the entry disappeared after the skip. I missed several program recordings due to this and had to watch them online. It's not a big deal to me now that I'm doing it my other way, but I may play around with it again sometime with test recordings. I have 3 of the Magnavox and do not remember which one(s) did this.
post #17486 of 23899
Hmph. "Behind" what? Their original schedule? Our Charter chapter only encrypts the upper-tier channels that they bundle with the traditional pay services--channels 2-99 are accessible to either an old analog tuner or (in the local-origination digital equivalents) the clear-QAM tuners on our Philips recorders. I suppose it is the ambition of every cable provider to find excuses to close the dreaded analog/unencrypted hole, but as far as I can tell, it's greed that drives them. (And we all know what Mom would say to the "Everybody else is doing it" excuse.)

As for the technical solution, timed recording gets to be a pain in the neck when there's a decryption device in the chain--especially if it lacks the timer function that at least lets it set channel-change events. If I were of a conspiratorial turn of mind, I would wonder what cable systems have against time-shifting/watch-one-record-another viewers. I'm certain that advertisers hate us.
post #17487 of 23899
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Originally Posted by steveww48 View Post

I have a 3-year old 2160 that's working fine, but I'm concerned that an upcoming change to our cable system will render this device unusable for all practical purposes. I'm hoping someone here can offer some advice...

In about two months my local cable system will complete a transition to all-digital signals and when the analog channels are shut down all channels will be encrypted. I'm concerned that this will neuter the tuner on my 2160 and make it impossible to program recordings.

I'd wait until they actually do something, then check to see what your TVs and the 2160 actually get. With cabelcos, always trust but verify. 3-5 years ago, we had people coming here asking if these DVDRs could tune a cable signal cuz their cableco told them they wouldn't be able to see ANYTHING without one of their rental boxes.

The "all-digital-so-you-can-encrypt-all-basic-channels" FCC Rule is still being developed as described in this thread. I'm not surprised that your cableco is gleefully starting to take advantage ahead of a final ruling since the FCC has already indicated it likes this idea.

IF everything pans out as the cabelco says, AFTER a final FCC Ruling, then you are stuck with dumb boxes with these DVDRs, I'm afraid. You'll have to record thru those inconvenient boxes, or go to other equipment that uses cable cards like TIVO... unless there's another cable-friendly "Rule" in the works to make cable cards "optional" (a term highly favored by cablecos) or allow some other "viewing enhancement" trick ... or switch to OTA antenna or satellite?

Hoepfully, someone else has some better solutions?
post #17488 of 23899
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Originally Posted by stapler1234 View Post

It's my understanding that the various FW's can be "reversed" by installing an earlier FW, however in the case of the 2160A, the earliest FW available (72A) not only corrected the E19 Error Message, but also deleted most double "Are you sure" prompts. (Details HERE.)

Vaguely recall someone posting they obtained an earlier FW disk from Funai Support. You might call Funai and see if they have the original 2160A FW on CD/DVD.
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CAUTION: As wajo has often pointed out, FW updating can "fail" and you may end up with a "Brick" (giant paper weight), so be forewarned.

Ok, I will PM to 234 for the original 2160A Firmware.

BTW do you know If I could exchange the 513 HDD for the old 2160A without losing the HDD contents? Or the 513 simply will delete all the records? Thanks.
post #17489 of 23899
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I'd wait until they actually do something, then check to see what your TVs and the 2160 actually get. With cabelcos, always trust but verify.
<<snip>>
Hoepfully, someone else has some better solutions?

Thanks, Wajo, for your comments and for the link to the thread about the FCC rule. Almost all of my recording is from the "basic" tier, so to the extent that remains unencrypted I'll be pretty much OK. But it appears that the tide is running the other way on that, and it's only a matter of time until "basic" gets encrypted too. I'll continue to follow that thread.

Unfortunately, OTA is not a good solution for me. Even a roof top antenna just doesn't do very well at my location. Satellite is an option and I'm not ruling that out. And of course I could just pay the cableco for their recording devices (for two TV's), but in addition to causing a huge spike in my monthly bill it annoys me to have to toe their line.

So, I guess that others on this thread are OTA or on systems where the signals are not (at least, not yet) encrypted? If anyone has any other suggestions (if the all-encrypted scenario does happen), I'm eager to see them.
post #17490 of 23899
Quote:
Originally Posted by steveww48 View Post

I have a 3-year old 2160 that's working fine, but I'm concerned that an upcoming change to our cable system will render this device unusable for all practical purposes. I'm hoping someone here can offer some advice...

In about two months my local cable system will complete a transition to all-digital signals and when the analog channels are shut down all channels will be encrypted. I'm concerned that this will neuter the tuner on my 2160 and make it impossible to program recordings.

Here is my current setup:
*Cable from the wall goes to a splitter
*One output from the splitter goes into the cable box (this box allows us to get "Digital Cable" channels, which are already encrypted)
*The other output from the splitter goes to the 2160

This setup allows me to watch any channel (including digital cable channels) and record any channel that isn't digital cable, and that's just fine. If I could continue to operate this way, that would be great.

But my current understanding is that after the conversion is complete, all channels will be encrypted and the tuner on my 2160 won't be able to tune the encrypted signal so I won't be able to program any recordings.

The cable company is providing DTA-50 devices (two free ones per household) for cable-ready TV's that are not connected to cable boxes. The DTA converts the digital signal to analog but the channel must be tuned on the DTA, not on the TV (the TV is tuned to channel 3). So it doesn't appear to me that using a DTA in this setup would help, because there is no way to program the DTA to change channels.

Meanwhile, the cable company tells me that most other cable systems have already done this conversion ("we are behind in making this transition"). Given the activity on this forum, I'm guessing that some of you are already in this situation (receiving an all-digital feed), and I'm wondering how you've set up your recorders so that they are functional?

Maybe the fly in the ointment is that not every cable system has taken the step of encrypting everything? Or am I missing something about how I can alter my connection scheme to make this work?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

With my local Comcast system, only the local tv stations' HD channels and their sub channels, are unscrambled and can be picked up by the 2160's QAM tuner. The locals AREN'T supposed to be scrambled, but as mentioned earlier, even that provision is under attack by the cable barons. You should still be able- for the moment, to use your 2160 to at least, record those unencrypted locals on the 2160's digital tuner, and record the cable box feed over the 2160's line input.
The smaller DTAs only possess an RF output jack. A recorder (in the other rooms) connected to one of those will have their tuners rendered useless. If you have more than one digital tuner-ed recorder or HDTV, You could use a splitter with an old vcr to send the cable separately to a digital tv/or recorder, and to a DTA connected to an old vcr. This would allow the digital tuner device to get the HD local stations, and the DTA feed can be viewed over the digital tuner device's line input though the vcr.

Check the digital tuner on the 2160 (press DTV/TV to toggle over) and see what the tuner is currently getting. Anything other than the local tv chs, will probably vanish at the end of the transition.
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