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post #17491 of 23774
Any of you who used to have a BUD and got rid of it did yourself a serious disservice. I have two of them, including my original 12' purchased in 1986.

About a half hour ago I finished watching (and recording on V2160A @HQ) episode s7e15 "Silent Partner" of The Closer, which debuted Monday night on TNT, @1080i live off BUD with no graphic logos or other overlays, and uninterrupted by commercials.

ABC, CBS, PBS & NBC are always available unencrypted (even AFC football), obviously with no local news, no local commercials and no affiliate overlays. Fox encrypts sports and prime time programming, but various Fox affiliates are available up there ITC too. Most syndicated daily and weekend shows are ITC, such as Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, Ellen, Dr Phil, How I Met Your Mother & Big Bang Theory.

Right now I'm watching and recording a 720p season 4 Bones episode that will air Saturday on MyNetwork affiliates who don't opt out. BUD is not free of all cost, nor is it easy (no non-generic internet or STB schedules or program guides), but short of Blu-ray, the picture and audio quality outside the producers' editing rooms doesn't get any better.
post #17492 of 23774
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

Ok, I will PM to 234 for the original 2160A Firmware.

BTW do you know If I could exchange the 513 HDD for the old 2160A without losing the HDD contents? Or the 513 simply will delete all the records? Thanks.

You should be able to connect that 513 HDD to a 2160A w/o any special adapters and the 2160A should recognize the HDD... you might have to record a 10-sec anything to it first to "activate" it (not sure).

HDD replacement/upgrade help file here.
post #17493 of 23774
Hi there

wanted to take a video from Laptop, and record it on my Philips Recorder, i don't know if i got an Svideo output on it, or audio out on the laptop, the devices is a Toshiba A105-S2101.


Or if i was to copy the videos to my desktop, is there a way i could put them onto a USB flash drive, and record them on the Phillips?

Local youtube videos is what it is
post #17494 of 23774
Yep, as expected, the 515 froze up last evening. Coming off being shut down while tuned to an analog channel.

Serendipitously, when I opened my e-mail this morning, 234 had sent me the new beta firmware that Funai is hoping will correct this problem. I loaded it into the unit and will keep my fingers crossed. Testers agree to not share results with anyone except Funai/234. Anyone with the problem is encourage to get in contact with 234 and try out the beta software.

Arigatou gozaimasu, 234.

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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

It's been so long since I've had a freeze on my 515, I forgot that the first symptom is the clock going military. As I previously posted, I stopped using the work-around of not ever letting the unit turn off on an analog channel. After a few days, I've gotten the military time "warning". A freeze is imminent.

I've been in contact with 234, the Funai rep, and hope to get the beta firmware from him for a trial.
post #17495 of 23774
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Originally Posted by EPlay View Post

I know that skipping the show will move it to the bottom of the list, and it does that initially. But the entry disappeared after the skip. I missed several program recordings due to this and had to watch them online. It's not a big deal to me now that I'm doing it my other way, but I may play around with it again sometime with test recordings. I have 3 of the Magnavox and do not remember which one(s) did this.

The "bug" could be that the "skip" is stripping it of it's repeat status. One may want to check it in it's new spot to see if it still retains it's "repeat" condition. It is still possible though that it may "say" it is, but the code in the firmware itself may have been set to a different condition.

@ Wajo

I have no means of reproducing this error, just trying to offer ideas.
post #17496 of 23774
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Originally Posted by computerman3 View Post

Hi there

wanted to take a video from Laptop, and record it on my Philips Recorder, i don't know if i got an Svideo output on it, or audio out on the laptop, the devices is a Toshiba A105-S2101.


Or if i was to copy the videos to my desktop, is there a way i could put them onto a USB flash drive, and record them on the Phillips?

Local youtube videos is what it is

According to the specs, it has a Svideo out and a headphone out. You will need to split the headphone out to left/red and right/white RCA. You have to know how to set up the Svideo out to send a video signal. Normally these extend the "view" and audio to a TV as a monitor. Instead of hooking them up to a TV, you will be hooking them up to the recorder instead. The Svideo is on the left side next to the i.link port. Whatever is shown in the display (TV the recorder is hooked up to) of the recorder will be recorded.

You may want to hook it up to the TV first to make sure it is working. Hotswapping between the TV and the recorder should not damage the recorder, as long as you do not have that line active. Switch to the input line (on the recorder) after you hook up the Svideo cable and audio.
post #17497 of 23774
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Originally Posted by computerman3 View Post

Hi there

wanted to take a video from Laptop, and record it on my Philips Recorder, i don't know if i got an Svideo output on it, or audio out on the laptop, the devices is a Toshiba A105-S2101.


Or if i was to copy the videos to my desktop, is there a way i could put them onto a USB flash drive, and record them on the Phillips?

Local youtube videos is what it is

YouTube uses many different video formats. The question is, will your 3756H play that particular video format once you transfer it to the 3756H?

According to Toshiba specs for your laptop, it has not only several USB ports, but also an iLink (IEEE 1394/Firewire) output. As the 3756H has both USB and iLink inputs, all you should need to transfer video from the laptop to DVR is a USB Flash Drive (of sufficient size) or an iLink cable to connect the two units together. You could also connect the laptop & 3756H using Svideo and earphone audio outputs from the laptop, but video quality may suffer.

Again, check to make sure your YouTube videos are in a format the 3756H can play. If not, you may need to convert them on the computer to another format, one acceptable to the 3756H.
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References:
Toshiba A105-S2101 Specs
Philips 3576H/37 User Manual (pdf)
post #17498 of 23774
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Originally Posted by steveww48 View Post

I have a 3-year old 2160 that's working fine, but I'm concerned that an upcoming change to our cable system will render this device unusable for all practical purposes. I'm hoping someone here can offer some advice...

In about two months my local cable system will complete a transition to all-digital signals and when the analog channels are shut down all channels will be encrypted. I'm concerned that this will neuter the tuner on my 2160 and make it impossible to program recordings.

Here is my current setup:
*Cable from the wall goes to a splitter
*One output from the splitter goes into the cable box (this box allows us to get "Digital Cable" channels, which are already encrypted)
*The other output from the splitter goes to the 2160

This setup allows me to watch any channel (including digital cable channels) and record any channel that isn't digital cable, and that's just fine. If I could continue to operate this way, that would be great.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

You're confusing me. You say you can WATCH any channel, including DIGITAL channels. Then you say you can record any channel that ISN'T digital. Do you mean isn't scrambled? If you can't record digital channels now, this makes no sense.

First, listen to wajo and do nothing. Best advice.

Next get a piece of rf cable and connect it from the wall to your digital TV. Scan for channels. Are there digital channels there now? If so, they are probably not going to be scrambled, just moved. It's worth a shot.

If you don't have a digital TV, they are cheap.
post #17499 of 23774
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You're confusing me. You say you can WATCH any channel, including DIGITAL channels. Then you say you can record any channel that ISN'T digital. Do you mean isn't scrambled? If you can't record digital channels now, this makes no sense.

First, listen to wajo and do nothing. Best advice.

Next get a piece of rf cable and connect it from the wall to your digital TV. Scan for channels. Are there digital channels there now? If so, they are probably not going to be scrambled, just moved. It's worth a shot.

If you don't have a digital TV, they are cheap.

Yes, I can currently record any channel that is not scrambled. My cableco has a tier of channels called "digital cable" which is scrambled; I can watch them via the cable box but I cannot record them because my 2160 is getting fed before the signal has gone thru the cable box.

I do have a digital TV and I have tried a direct feed and a scan. Yes, there are a few (currently) unscrambled digital channels-- specifically these are the hi-def channels of the broadcast networks. Everything else is scrambled.

I'll certainly wait to see what actually happens after the transition.
post #17500 of 23774
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Originally Posted by steveww48 View Post

Yes, I can currently record any channel that is not scrambled. My cableco has a tier of channels called "digital cable" which is scrambled; I can watch them via the cable box but I cannot record them because my 2160 is getting fed before the signal has gone thru the cable box.

I do have a digital TV and I have tried a direct feed and a scan. Yes, there are a few (currently) unscrambled digital channels-- specifically these are the hi-def channels of the broadcast networks. Everything else is scrambled.

I'll certainly wait to see what actually happens after the transition.

Odds are you will be ok. They may move some channels to consolidate and mess with you. If your cable box has RWY composite outputs, you can leave it set to the channel you want to record then use the AV1 input on the 2160. I used to do that with BBCAM since it was scrambled. Have fun.

My cable feed sent me a DTA since they were going to scramble stuff. I got it about June 2009 and it's still in the box.
post #17501 of 23774
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Originally Posted by steveww48 View Post

Yes, I can currently record any channel that is not scrambled. My cableco has a tier of channels called "digital cable" which is scrambled; I can watch them via the cable box but I cannot record them because my 2160 is getting fed before the signal has gone thru the cable box.

I do have a digital TV and I have tried a direct feed and a scan. Yes, there are a few (currently) unscrambled digital channels-- specifically these are the hi-def channels of the broadcast networks. Everything else is scrambled.

I'll certainly wait to see what actually happens after the transition.

Since you have a cable box (assume you mean a real one, not a free digital to analog converter) , you're probably going to be fine. I would recommend feeding the box first, then outputting that to the 2160. I finally had to bite the bullet and split the coax cable - I feed one end into the cable box (which then connects to the 2160 through Svideo +audio output from cable box into Line 1 of magnavox) . I also feed the other end of the split coax into the TV directly (or you could go into the 2160 RF input, and then feed that out via coax (the signal will be slightly boosted) to your TV's antenna in. This is annoying, but it's the only way to record the programs that you only get via the cable box. If it's the kind of cable box that allows you to schedule a recording, you'll be able to retain about 70-80% of your current functionality. *(you simply have to set the recording on the cable box AND set it on the magnavox -- double effort, but it lets you record a cable show unattended).

The main pain with the new system is that -- if you don't split the coax --you can not record a show on the 2160 while watching another live tv program -- and in any case, you cannot watch another live 'digital' show while simultaneously recording -- the box is stuck on that one station that;s being recorded -- but you can watch stuff like ABC,NBC, CBS, PBS -- the basics - while the recording is taking place, and, of course, you can also watch stuff that you previously recorded to the 2160 while the new recording is being made. It's not as flexible as it used to be with a full QAM lineup from cable (without box), but it's functional.

It's a good idea to feed the tv or the RF input of the recorder with a cable or an over the air antenna signal -- that way you can at least watch the 'standard channels" while recording something digital that is fed in via the cable box.

The advice above is good. Wait and see what they do. When it happens, see what 's lost , and then you may be able to find a workaround. But, given the inexorable march of the cable companies ... you can be pretty safe in assuming without a dedicated cable box, you will no longer be able to see most of your non-ordinary (over the air accessible) channels.

I definitely think your recording options would be enhanced if you split and connect cable to cable box to magnavox.
post #17502 of 23774
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Originally Posted by artwire View Post

Since you have a cable box (assume you mean a real one, not a free digital to analog converter) , you're probably going to be fine. I would recommend feeding the box first, then outputting that to the 2160. I finally had to bite the bullet and split the coax cable - I feed one end into the cable box (which then connects to the 2160 through Svideo +audio output from cable box into Line 1 of magnavox) . I also feed the other end of the split coax into the TV directly (or you could go into the 2160 RF input, and then feed that out via coax (the signal will be slightly boosted) to your TV's antenna in. This is annoying, but it's the only way to record the programs that you only get via the cable box. If it's the kind of cable box that allows you to schedule a recording, you'll be able to retain about 70-80% of your current functionality. *(you simply have to set the recording on the cable box AND set it on the magnavox -- double effort, but it lets you record a cable show unattended).

The main pain with the new system is that -- if you don't split the coax --you can not record a show on the 2160 while watching another live tv program -- and in any case, you cannot watch another live 'digital' show while simultaneously recording -- the box is stuck on that one station that;s being recorded -- but you can watch stuff like ABC,NBC, CBS, PBS -- the basics - while the recording is taking place, and, of course, you can also watch stuff that you previously recorded to the 2160 while the new recording is being made. It's not as flexible as it used to be with a full QAM lineup from cable (without box), but it's functional.

It's a good idea to feed the tv or the RF input of the recorder with a cable or an over the air antenna signal -- that way you can at least watch the 'standard channels" while recording something digital that is fed in via the cable box.

The advice above is good. Wait and see what they do. When it happens, see what 's lost , and then you may be able to find a workaround. But, given the inexorable march of the cable companies ... you can be pretty safe in assuming without a dedicated cable box, you will no longer be able to see most of your non-ordinary (over the air accessible) channels.

I definitely think your recording options would be enhanced if you split and connect cable to cable box to magnavox.

Thanks for your suggestion. Having one split of the cable feeding the TV directly makes sense and I see the value of doing that, although if the cableco does eventually scramble every channel (if/when the FCC gives permission to do so), this connection would no longer be functional.

I do have a "real" cable box (not a DTA converter), but this box does not have the ability to schedule a recording.

I'm certainly willing to connect things differently (which is why I posted my question), but there's an aspect of this I don't understand: If I feed the cable into the cable box first and then to the 2160 recorder, won't the recorder "see" only the specific channel the cable box is tuned to? If that's the case, "scheduling" a recording seems pretty useless because the tuner on the 2160 would be out of commission-- I'd have to manually set the cable box to the channel I want to record prior to the recording day & time... and then reset the cable box channel to the next channel to be recorded.

I presume there's something here that I'm not understanding correctly(?)
post #17503 of 23774
Thread Starter 
Your understanding is perfect. The Mag's coax circuit IS an amp'd splitter so it's not even there as far as the downstream box is concerned. You'd only split before the amp'd Mag splitter if you order PPV/VOD thru the cable box (since the Mag coax circuit is not bidirectional).
post #17504 of 23774
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

If that Moto DVR is one they supplied with your sub., and IT can't record playboy TV, I don't see how an external, non-cableco box can do it?

It IS an interesting question to me cuz I love tests and finding new stuff, so if it were me and I already had a recorder, I'd try all sorts of cable connection schemes to fool the box into thinking it was only PLAYING the playboy stuff to a TV as allowed, while the recorder was off to the side and not connected to the TV at all, or as described in one of the TIPS here (esp. #7).

This might also require a CP stripper/widescreen preserver like one of these.

I doubt I'd BUY a recorder just to test this... but then, Walmart has an awesome return policy!

ok, finally got my magnavox and it works. i did not even need a converter

motorola-component-magnavox-hdmi-dvdo-hdmi-tv and i can record anything . quality is great. my only problem is sometimes when i switch between dvdo ports (from motorola to magnavox) the screen becomes green. i see the picture but it is green toned. to fix it i have to unplug the hdmi cable between magnavox and dvdo and replug. then the picture is great again. i am a happy customer
post #17505 of 23774
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Originally Posted by martinlongbow View Post

ok, finally got my magnavox and it works. i did not even need a converter

motorola-component-magnavox-hdmi-dvdo-hdmi-tv and i can record anything . quality is great. my only problem is sometimes when i switch between dvdo ports (from motorola to magnavox) the screen becomes green. i see the picture but it is green toned. to fix it i have to unplug the hdmi cable between magnavox and dvdo and replug. then the picture is great again. i am a happy customer

Fantastic!

I'll bet someone here even has an easy solution to the green-screen when switching between Mag and DVDO... sounds like a handshake issue lost in switching!?
post #17506 of 23774
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Originally Posted by artwire View Post

Wait and see what they do. When it happens, see what 's lost , and then you may be able to find a workaround. But, given the inexorable march of the cable companies ... you can be pretty safe in assuming without a dedicated cable box, you will no longer be able to see most of your non-ordinary (over the air accessible) channels.

Comcast says we need a box for our locals (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS) on Jan 24
post #17507 of 23774
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Originally Posted by Doug Mac View Post

Comcast says we need a box for our locals (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS) on Jan 24

What's the probability an external antenna will work?

What's the probability Comcast is not being honest or is clueless?

Can you get the required box then ship it back or not use it?

Trust but verify. D.C. is a major market. And Comcast has deep pockets.

BTW, a "local" list usually now includes ION, CW, My9 and the shopping channels.
post #17508 of 23774
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Doug Mac View Post

Comcast says we need a box for our locals (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS) on Jan 24

3-5 years ago, they also told people inquiring here that they wouldn't see ANYTHING without one of their rental boxes.

Don't pick up or certainly "activate" one of their boxes before you VERIFY!

Trust but verify!
post #17509 of 23774
Doing that would create a lot of havoc if it's anything like my area. Tons of people have straight coax connections on extra TVs around the house and some have straight coax on their main TV. The ensuing mess just might convince a lot of people to move to satellite or Fios or Uverse or even drop cable/sat altogether.

We have four TVs with only two having a box/dvr. If I had to start renting two more boxes, I would definitely investigate satellite hoping for a better overall deal.

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

3-5 years ago, they also told people inquiring here that they wouldn't see ANYTHING without one of their rental boxes.

Don't pick up or certainly "activate" one of their boxes before you VERIFY!

Trust but verify!
post #17510 of 23774
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Doing that would create a lot of havoc if it's anything like my area. Tons of people have straight coax connections on extra TVs around the house and some have straight coax on their main TV. The ensuing mess just might convince a lot of people to move to satellite or Fios or Uverse or even drop cable/sat altogether.

We have four TVs with only two having a box/dvr. If I had to start renting two more boxes, I would definitely investigate satellite hoping for a better overall deal.

If it's like my area, most people got the letter last month and used it to line the bird cage. My mother got a letter (different headend, same company). I asked her what it said. She didn't know and trashed it.

I told her if the SOAP channel (still analog for her) went away, she should call me and I will try to find it.

If there is any havoc I know I will need to drive the 8 miles to rescan her channels at best, or help her get a STB at worst. She's prepared - she has me and no recording devices.

I get two DTA boxes for free. I have never used them. She pays per TV, I pay a flat fee. Same company, different office. All cable is local.
post #17511 of 23774
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post

I know how to edit scenes out. I only wanted to know if I let the recorder run for 3 hours and then do scene edit to keep only 1 hour, does it save any hard drive space deleting those 2 hours?

If not, how do I save only the part I want without wasting all that memory?

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Anything you delete opens/saves that HDD capacity/space for other, future recordings.

Delayed response after a 2-week holiday hiatus. Apologies.

It is my understanding that no space is released from typical scene deletes of a title, only deleting whole titles or titles that have been split would release HDD space. But, it would be a simple test to check...make a 3-hour HQ recording, check the available HQ free space, do a 2-hour scene delete, check the available HQ free space again to see it it has changed by about 2 hours. When I get back home I'll try it if no one else has.
post #17512 of 23774
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Delayed response after a 2-week holiday hiatus. Apologies.

It is my understanding that no space is released from typical scene deletes of a title, only deleting whole titles or titles that have been split would release HDD space. But, it would be a simple test to check...make a 3-hour HQ recording, check the available HQ free space, do a 2-hour scene delete, check the available HQ free space again to see it it has changed by about 2 hours. When I get back home I'll try it if no one else has.

I've done this test on several occasions with a 3575... e.g., delete 1-hour from a 2-hour program via Scene Delete adds 1-hour to remaining HDD space.

Disclaimer: All times are approx.
post #17513 of 23774
Did you check different scenarios, such as a center-cut vs. front or end cuts? I can't imagine it would be easy for the OS to release space from a center-cut scene delete until the entire title is deleted.
post #17514 of 23774
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Did you check different scenarios, such as a center-cut vs. front or end cuts? I can't imagine it would be easy for the OS to release space from a center-cut scene delete until the entire title is deleted.

Yes, the OS is smarter than you think.

I suppose there are some scenarios one could find to disprove this... like teeny-weeny snippets removed hither and yon!
post #17515 of 23774
Did Comcast get a waiver for D.C., or they hoping that the new rule will be in effect by Jan 24?
post #17516 of 23774
When did Walmart raise the price of the 515? Or am I mistaken?
post #17517 of 23774
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Originally Posted by OD3 View Post

When did Walmart raise the price of the 515? Or am I mistaken?

It's been a few weeks. Right around Black Friday. You can read back a few pages.
post #17518 of 23774
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Delayed response after a 2-week holiday hiatus. Apologies.

It is my understanding that no space is released from typical scene deletes of a title, only deleting whole titles or titles that have been split would release HDD space. But, it would be a simple test to check...make a 3-hour HQ recording, check the available HQ free space, do a 2-hour scene delete, check the available HQ free space again to see it it has changed by about 2 hours. When I get back home I'll try it if no one else has.

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I've done this test on several occasions with a 3575... e.g., delete 1-hour from a 2-hour program via Scene Delete adds 1-hour to remaining HDD space.

Disclaimer: All times are approx.

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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Did you check different scenarios, such as a center-cut vs. front or end cuts? I can't imagine it would be easy for the OS to release space from a center-cut scene delete until the entire title is deleted.

Some people may confuse a scene "delete" with a scene "hide". Hiding a scene allows it to be recovered. Deleting a scene makes it go away, unable to be ever seen again, especially if a new recording now resides in that "space".

Not sure if this has ever come up or even doable on the 500 series. I tape a couple 3 hour stretches that each hour goes on a different DVD, but doing one title let's me edit or cut more appropriately. I just recently discovered (on the 3455) that I can "hide" without cutting. Since I am using - DVD's the time available usually fluctuates, so I only record half of the DVD and then go back and do the second half.

The time saver that I have found is that the Show being recorded to the DVD is locked, but upon starting the next show, the first one is unlocked and I can then edit it to "hide" different parts of the 3 hour stretch. I used to wait until the whole DVD was finished. Now, I found out that I can start the editing process a whole lot sooner. By the time the first DVD is finished, I have all the editing done for the next DVD, except the last show that is being put on the DVD.
post #17519 of 23774
Manual Clock Set ON Dysfunction Revisited- AGAIN

Background: I have been using the Manual Clock Set function on both my 515's for several months. I have it set to Ch. 109.1, the local Fox affiliate digital HD channel. It seems to work fine most of the time, but every 5-7 days I find BOTH of the 515's with their HDD fans running, but powered off. Turning the power on, and then off, shuts down the fan. The problem always occurs with both units simultaneously.

Today: At 4:15am I discovered the bedroom DVDR with its fan running, and did the usual power on/off to shut off the fan. However the living room unit's clock said 11:59pm, and it was unresponsive. I unplugged power for 30 seconds, re-plugged, and the clock showed the correct time, but the unit was still dead. Did a soft reset (3 hours unplugged) and it came back to life, everything OK.

Now: I have finally turned the Manual Clock Set function OFF on both units. It's just more trouble than it's worth. I'm not sure of the cause, but my theory is that the local Fox station's time signal is not always there (or is erratic in some way), which confuses the 515's brain. Having the clock exactly in sync with UTC time is nice, but not that necessary. The Mag's clock can be adjusted manually whenever needed, and I've found that quite a few TV program start/stop times float by 1-2 minutes. Best to record extra time at both ends of a show and trim later if desired.
post #17520 of 23774
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Originally Posted by MrNews View Post

I have it set to Ch. 109.1, the local Fox affiliate digital HD channel.

In the manual clock channel setting, if you set it for "CH 109" the recorder looks for an analog channel. Be sure to set it to "DTV 109" for the digital channel. It's very easy to get the setting wrong. I've made that same error more than once.
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