Magnavox 537, 535, 533, 515, 513, 2160A, 2160, 2080 & Philips 3576, 3575 - Page 591

Exactly how long do you wait for it to go away on its own? What exactly do you mean by "frozen loop"?

I have that problem as often as not with +RW discs, but almost never with -RW. I find simply waiting an extended period of time causes it to go away. Sometimes, the eject button will stop it. Sometimes, the HDD button will stop it. I only pulled the plug once before figuring out patience pays off. It's annoying, because it only happens on my V515, never on either of my V2160As.

I also get that error with some DVD+RW discs on my V513 and 515. I never get it on either recorder with DVD+R, DVD-R, or DVD-RW discs. The message always goes away for me after waiting a while.

ericole,
Could you clarify your comment regarding "almost full"? Not sure what you are referring to. The 3575's HDD is almost full, or the DVD, or something else?

Did you try watching the original problem title (while fast forwarding >>twice)? Did you try the same with the different title (that also failed to burn to DVD)? Did either freeze at the beginning, or somewhere in the middle, or the end of the titles? If neither froze during playback (regular playback or inside Edit mode), then the steps I outlined before, do not apply to your situation.

Also, I just thought of something else. Have you tried playing a finalized or unfinalized DVD? Just so we can possibly confirm or deny that the problem is the burner/DVD player.
Unfortunately, the Error code you listed is not in the Error Code list (on Page 45) in the 3575 manual. You can read several posts regarding this error code here. You might find some helpful info.

What kind of DVD's are you trying to burn with? TDK, Memorex, Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden? DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW? 8x or 16x? Would it be correct to say that you have used that same batch of DVD's with the 3575 successfully before? Just a suggestion.....8x blank DVD's seem to work better than 16x on our Magnavox or Philips units. I've never had a disc problem with Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R's. They're often on sale for around $24.99-26.99 at SuperMediaStore.
dfw515

I don't remember the type DVDs off hand, but I do know I bought them based on the recommendations on here - some high end, japanese-made DVDs I think. I could only buy them from one source. They are the only ones I've ever used in my DVR and I've never had an issue with a single DVD before last night (and again tonight).

I did find another thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi...t-1156558.html
and some other pages, after writing the code down:
http://www.fixya.com/support/t867439...isc_record_get
http://www.fixya.com/support/t917076..._video_vhs_dvd
with discussion coalescing around the DVD type and/or cleaning the head.

I put in a Philips, brand new, DVD/CD player disc tonight. I tried playing a DVD and that worked fine (a commercial DVD). I haven't tried burning another one - didn't want to have to get behind media cabinet again.

In response to one asking about how long. Last night, about 15 mins, tonight 20 or 25 mins. It can't be working b/c there is absolutely no burn to the DVDs (look brand new), and it never got off the first blinking progress bar - I've never had them take that long to do that. Nor have I ever received that error (or any error).

When I said "full" I meant the HDD.

The freeze starts at the beginning - as soon as the dubbing progress bar shows up - AFTER the error window comes up.

Both the titles I've tried have been watched, with no problems. I didn't retry them tonight, but I don't think it's an HDD problem if I had the exact same issue with both of them.

I believe supermediastore is where I bought the DVDs I'm using. More details in my other reply.

These are the ones I have; bought after reading on here. I did a LOT of reading on here before buying the machine:

"I've never had a disc problem with Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R's" - bought via supermediastore.

ericole,
You're right regarding 15+ minutes of the DVD Burn progress bar freezing being way too long. I think "we" were just wondering if you were considering 30-60 seconds to be too long.

Since the titles didn't freeze while watching, then "bad spots on the hard drive" is not your issue. Sorry about that. From reading your original post, it sounded like this was your issue.

Now that we have clarified a few things, it really does sound like a DVD burner related issue. As indicated elsewhere, running a $5-10 DVD lens cleaner could help. Maybe there's some dust/buildup on the laser lens. Cleaning the DVD Drive may also help. Another (remote) possibility, is that the cables to the DVD drive (inside the unit) are loose.
Last resort, would be ordering a new DVD drive from Funai Parts (Ohio) for around $70. This requires a fair amount of surgery on your Philips.
dfw515

I MEANT I put in a Philips CLEANER disc tonight. Haven't tried burning again since then. Wanted to wait and do some more reading here. It's been a while since I've burned anything - the reason for the full HDD.

Maybe it was a "dirty" issue - I sure hope so since I never had burning issues before.

Did I wake up yet? Is this a dream?

http://www.amazon.com/Magnavox-MDR51...6287658&sr=8-1

Hard drives don't cost that much more!

When the Philips units were discontinued prices went crazy too.
Cheers,
Bob

Crazy price. I bought a refurbished 515 from Worldwide about a month ago, had only two hours playing time on the DVD, no burning time at all, in perfect condition. I noticed they have gone up about $15 from what I paid.

Jon

HDD are still running ~2X pre-flood prices. This just looks to be the end of the line for DVD recorders. Watch the prices sky-rocket on eBay.

End of 1st quarter remains more than 2.5 months away.

Holy Moley, I'm glad I bought two of these puppies at $220 apiece, one from Amazon and one from Walmart, before the prices started getting stupid. Sometimes it pays to buy now, other times, waiting is better.

BTW, I just bought a new Teac CD player/cassette/USB recorder to replace a busted 22-year-old double cassette deck in my audio stack. Records to a USB thumb drive from CD, cassette, or line in (turntable), as mp3 files. Kinda cool. Anyway, paid $252 on Amazon, they shipped immediately, then dropped the price by $25 the next day. When I squawked to CS, their response was "too bad, so sad." (They do NOT make post-purchase price adjustments.) The next day the price was $252 again....

I always leave my amazon purchases in the "Save for later" section of my shopping cart and wait for a significant price drop before pulling the trigger. I've got over 10 pages of items in there now, some for over a year.

Unfortunately that sometimes backfires, as the converter suggested in this thread, HDMI to Composite /S-Video Converter 3RCA CRT TV CVBS which used to be in the low $40 range, is now $99. But at least I know where the price point is before I will try to buy it.

I'm (still) showing out of stock online. Perhaps the limited batch has already been snagged?

It showed some in stock a little while ago. It's showing out of stock now. It must have been a very limited supply.

I use Amazon's Wish List for that. It shows you the price that each item was when you added it to the list as well as the current price.

Thanks for the tip
I place it in my cart and if the price changes it will tell you once what it was previously but after that it only has the new price. Sounds like the Wishlist is a better option.
It must be several peoples job to just change prices at Amazon.....if I have 6 items in my cart for more than a few days two are bound to change prices, usually up I had a battery for my camera in my cart and I was waiting until I had $25 for free shipping, it tippled the next time I checked Granted it only went up $4(was $1.99 and went up to $6) but it still kind of stung Sometimes I think putting something in your cart can trigger a future price increase.... get you to look with a good price and then jack the price up but I have no real proof, just suspicions. This use to happen frequently with TigerDirect, I no longer deal with them!
Just the other day I was looking at 520 CD wallets on Amazon. They had one for $12.99 and said only 6 left. The next day it was $19.99 and they said only 2 left
edit: $36.98 today and they say only one left

Most of the items in my wish list dropped in price. This is only one of those items.

How can you see the quantities in inventory at Walmart and J&R?

I'm doing that now, after learning my lesson. BTW, the unit is listed at $208.71 today, about 44 dollars lower than what I paid only 4 days ago. Infuriating! But I guess Amazon can do whatever they damn please, at this point.

Oh, and the Teac AD-800 price won't show up in the Wish List- you have to add it to the Cart to see the price (or go to its listing page). Very hinky...

FWIW, there's been a slow but steady increase in problem reports with TY media over the past year. The saying "nothing good lasts forever" comes to mind here: the TY failure rate used to be around one in a thousand, but now it isn't unusual to encounter four or five "instant coasters" per 100-pak of TY Premium 8x DVD-R. So far I haven't had one fail in a Magnavox, but they have an irritating tendency to fail immediately upon trying to HS dub in my Pioneers, and a Panasonic EH50 I borrowed for a few weeks. The Pioneers repeatedly try to spin the disc up and burn the lead in, over a 20 minute period, before crapping out with a "Cannot Copy" error. The Panasonic either froze or didn't recognize the "bum" TY discs at all.

Its possible you do have a burner problem, but its a fairly rare occurrence with recent Magnavox recorders. Before spending for a new burner, try another disc type or another batch of TY. Even a cheap blank disc from Staples or WalMart will do: you just want to be sure your Magnavox is choking on ALL media before attempting to repair it. If its just happening with your most recent spindle of TY, it might be the blanks themselves. Aside from mfr variation, you would be amazed what can happen to blank discs during shipping or warehouse storage: I received a carton of 400 premium Verbatim DataLife 8x DVD-R last year, and NOT ONE of the 400 was accepted by any computer or recorder I tried them in (yes, I really did test them all: it was such a freak phenomenon I had to be sure). Someone here suggested they might have been left in a delivery truck in the hot sun for a day or two.

TYG02 here is similarly bad in Pioneer 633 with 8X burner, but 0 failures that I can remember from over 800 discs with Pioneer 460 with 16X burner. Just today I got "cannot complete copy" with two of them (fairly quickly, 2 minutes maybe) trying to HSD one 3.4G title before HSD instead successfully VR to -RW, then HSD back to the 460, from which I burned successfully to the second very same TYG02 the 633 failed with, and which plays fine in a V2160A. My 633 sometimes will fail 10 or more discs in a row. Rarely recently have I had more than 3 disc successes in a row, though when it succeeds with a 1.1G title, adding more 1.1G titles never fails. The 460 has yet to have a problem writing to the discs rejected by the 633 as long as available space is sufficient for the source. I've just about reached the point with the 633 of only writing to -RW, which has never yet failed (that I can remember) in the 5 years since I bought it.

In my Funais I've never had a TYG02 failure, though plenty +RW failures in the V515, and mostly write in the Funais to RW for transfer to Pioneer for competent editing.

Thats interesting, mrmazda, because my problem was the reverse: my Pio 531 (sister to your 633) has less trouble dealing with the occasional funky TY02 disc than my much newer 540 and 460. I'm on my third replacement burner in the 531 (a horrific transplant procedure I will never do again). These older models use actual Pioneer burners as opposed to later models like our 460 that use Sony burners (if that means anything). So far I haven't had too many rejected TY02s from either Magnavox (H2160A and 513), knock wood.

Anyway, didn't mean to branch off into a media discussion: there are other threads dedicated to that topic. My point is the Mag burners are generally much less fussy about media than any other recorders I've owned (and I've owned plenty), so if anyone gets a sudden run of TY failures they might want to consider TY is not the perfectionist supplier of times past. Spindles bought in the last year or so have been reported randomly funky: if you're the type who stockpiles hundreds of TY at a time you might get bit in the ass later if you don't do an immediate test burn from the top, middle and bottom of each new spindle you receive. If they're consistently poor, at least you'll know within the dealer exchange window. This applies to the various "professional" Verbatims as well.