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post #18391 of 23784
I just picked up a new 513 from Walmart, Manufacturing date Aug 2011.

Firmware is HD6A269726H1E. I don't recall reading anything about a 726H version. Has anyone installed the 727V Firmware Update over a 513 726H version?
post #18392 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

AFAICT, you're SOL since I believe your only hope was to get BACK info the natural progression for the 513, and 718 was the key to that.

You did unplug, etc. per Steps 5 and 6 above.. that's the only other explanation, i.e., an "aborted" upload (an ending it didn't take kindly to)?



Thanks Wajo.

I think your earlier explanation is the most convincing, i.e. that the 513 was (mistakenly by me) uploaded successfully with a firmware never intended for this model (intended for the 2160A) and this dilemma is the consequence. Why, I don't know.

Thanks to the contributors for all the time and effort.
post #18393 of 23784
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LennyB View Post

I just picked up a new 513 from Walmart, Manufacturing date Aug 2011.

Firmware is HD6A269726H1E. I don't recall reading anything about a 726H version. Has anyone installed the 727V Firmware Update over a 513 726H version?

Well, you've either got one-of-a-kind, or you misread the BE FW version #.

There has been NO 726H on any machine noted here before, only a 726V on 515 refurbs.

Please re-check and verify.
post #18394 of 23784
I just received my 515 refurb yesterday. I ordered mine Wednesday from J&R, when they got a small batch of only 3, so I feel lucky. I'm putting it through the paces now. I haven't tested the DVD yet, but everything else is fine. I'll be mostly a time-shifter, but I still want to make sure everything works. The tuner doesn't seem as good as I thought it would be. It was a July 2011 build, refurbed in Nov 2011, and has the 727V FW. So the previous owner may have upgraded it. It only has 4 minutes of write time, no read time, and only 6 hours on the HDD!

I've been quietly reading this thread for a long time. I don't comment very often. But I'd like to thank all the contributors, especially Wajo, for keeping this going. It's the most in-depth and complete thread I've ever seen. I truly appreciate it. Great job!
post #18395 of 23784
No question about it, the BE Version is HD6A269726H1E.
I guess I should go ahead and see how this version operates before I update.
post #18396 of 23784
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LennyB View Post

No question about it, the BE Version is HD6A269726H1E.
I guess I should go ahead and see how this version operates before I update.

Yes, actually sort of important to know what, if anything, 726H does! I don't think we've delved into this with the people who got 726V, another "oddball," in their refurb'd 515's.
post #18397 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Anyway, all I can offer now is to verify the process again: create another CD of the 727V .mot file (12,179KB) using the SEND command to the RecordNow app on Windows machines, using the "Data Disc" Project option in that app., and make sure you see the final "Closing" message after CD write.

Wajo - when I unzipped it I got a *.mot file at 11.8KB with MS Vista. I'll try again in the morning. I'll also re-download the zip file and see if there is a difference. Worth a try! At any rate, the normal FW works fine at the worst.

FWIW, a buddy was able to buy a 513 at Walmart this afternoon...
post #18398 of 23784
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Originally Posted by sgidurango View Post

Wajo - when I unzipped it I got a *.mot file at 11.8KB with MS Vista. I'll try again in the morning. I'll also re-download the zip file and see if there is a difference. Worth a try! At any rate, the normal FW works fine at the worst.

FWIW, a buddy was able to buy a 513 at Walmart this afternoon...

11.8 KB doesn't sound right, but only cuz all my .mot files with XP are 12,179 KB. I don't know if Vista can create a diff. size file from the SAME ZIP file???

Make sure you follow Funai's SPECIAL instructions for Vista!
post #18399 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

11.8 KB doesn't sound right, but only cuz all my .mot files with XP are 12,179 KB. I don't know if Vista can create a diff. size file from the SAME ZIP file???

They are 11.8 MB in Windows 7.
post #18400 of 23784
It's probably the correct size. Remember, 12,179 KB will display as 11.89 MB (12179 / 1024). Durango probably typoed the the KB part.
post #18401 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Yes, actually sort of important to know what, if anything, 726H does! I don't think we've delved into this with the people who got 726V, another "oddball," in their refurb'd 515's.

Just peeked at my new 515. Sept 2011 mfg date, and is 726V also ... hmmm.

Z
post #18402 of 23784
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Originally Posted by CO-Zman View Post

Just peeked at my new 515. Sept 2011 mfg date, and is 726V also ... hmmm.

I think you're the 2nd person with a NEW 515 with 726V.

We need to know WTH 726H and 726V do "out of the ordinary."
post #18403 of 23784
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

They are 11.8 MB in Windows 7.

727V, like all that came before it, is 12,471,283 bytes. Regardless of OS, that's 11.893 MiB, a power of 2, a binary IEC multiple, which is 12.471 MB, a power of 10, a decimal IEC multiple. Wikipedia ref.

As to trouble some have doing upgrades, a possible problem is that Funai is providing no MD5 or shasum or other checksum to verify a valid ZIP download or valid .mot file extracted. Those downloading with web browsers instead of dedicated downloaders assume a higher risk of file invalidity disaster when such safeguards are unused or unavailable.
post #18404 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I think you're the 2nd person with a NEW 515 with 726V.

We need to know WTH 726H and 726V do "out of the ordinary."

Wajo, I'm not certain I was the first to report a new 515H with 726V FW, but I have one. HTH do we find what is "out of the ordinary"? Is there some sort of check list or process you would/could suggest? I'll try one way or another but a direction from you might help get me started.
Steve
post #18405 of 23784
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Originally Posted by Steve265 View Post

Wajo, I'm not certain I was the first to report a new 515H with 726V FW, but I have one. HTH do we find what is "out of the ordinary"? Is there some sort of check list or process you would/could suggest? I'll try one way or another but a direction from you might help get me started.
Steve

Here's a chart showing diff. between 513 and 515 that might be noticeable in your unit (or others')... a 513 won't get the Longer Power Backup or Better Remote. A 515 should have all those items listed for it, regardless of 726H/V or 727V.

ALso, a 513 can have one of two "Model No." in the FW Version list: E2S00UD or E2S01UD. A 515 should have Model No. E2S02UD.

Wish
Feature
2160A
513
515
#1 ADD AUTO-TITLE FOR TIMER RECORDINGS (PRE-TITLING) No No YES. A third option added to the timer "Program Change" menu. As an example, after setting a program for "CSI," click on that program in the timer list and select "Edit Title Name" option, then enter "CSI" in the same manner we title recordings now. "CSI" then gets transferred to the 1st line of that show's HDD Title (every recorded instance) instead of the previous generic date/time info. Now, with a show name, you can start catching up on your CSI episodes by finding the first "CSI" and not giving a 2nd thought to date and time! To me, this is a certified BFD! Note: So as not to mislead, remember that this title can only be seen when you highlight an index pic, just as now. You won't magically see a list of title names all at once.. that's our next Wish!
#1 ADD "DAY" TO GENERIC TITLE No No YES. Now includes the day-of-week (DOW) each title was recorded on to help identify your favorite shows. This is esp. important for M-F series, like Soaps, which you can now Auto-Title "Soaps" as described above, but the DOW will help you identify the specific day's show you last watched or need to watch (something my wife never forgets).
#5 LARGER HDD CAPACITY (GB) 160 320 500
#10 BETTER REMOTE CONTROL No No A completely new remote, NC003UD. See pics below.
#21 DELETE "EMPTY TITLE" ON DVDs No No YES, but only changed to "Empty SPACE." Prob. thought we didn't like the word "Title" cuz it might be technically impossible to get rid of SOME indication of space remaining on DVD discs since it represents the "Reserved Fragment" in the +VR Standard. However, if it is technically possible, we'd still like DVDs to show NO indication of empty space or reserved fragment... just actual recorded titles like most other video-mode recorders.
#31 DELETE AUTO PREVIEW ON END-CUTS No * YES
#32 DELETE DOUBLE "ARE YOU SURE" MENU DIALOGS No No YES
#36 LONGER POWER BACKUP ** ** YES. Now at least 1 HOUR. Genetides got "nearly 2 hours" with Auto Clock ON, and rmacdona got 60 hours with Auto Clock set for a MANUAL channel!
#37 ADD TIMER PROGRAM SKIP No No YES. Now has a new "SKIP" column at far left in the main "Timer Programming" menu, as shown here. That will show a checkmark if you set a timer to Skip next occurrence. In each timer program menu, the SKIP option is in top left position, defaulted to OFF. After setting a program, you can open a timer's Program Change menu and skip that program by arrowing left to the SKIP column, then arrow up/dn to change SKIP to ON. That puts a checkmark in the 1st column of the timer list so you can ID programs that are to be Skipped. Reverts to normal active program (Skip OFF or no checkmark) after that program is skipped once. You can set the checkmark again if you want to skip that program again.
N/A SET AUTO CLOCK DEFAULT TO "OFF" No * YES. Eliminates many problems caused before by bad time-signal data. People didn't even know that Auto Clock was ON as default, they just knew things went "bad" or froze up after a short time. Here's "The 11:57 Procedure" for finding and CONFIRMING a good Auto Clock time signal for any PhilMag unit.
N/A FW FIXES YES YES WOW! The 2160A and 513 can now be made to operate like a 515 with the SuperFW Update described here.
*No on early-513's w/718 FW, Yes on late-513's w/72A FW.
**30-sec power backup w/Auto Clock OFF, 2+ min. w/Auto Clock ON or MANUAL.
post #18406 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Here's a chart showing diff. between 513 and 515 that might be noticeable in your unit (or others')... a 513 won't get the Longer Power Backup or Better Remote. A 515 should have all those items listed for it, regardless of 726H/V or 727V.

ALso, a 513 can have one of two "Model No." in the FW Version list: E2S00UD or E2S01UD. A 515 should have Model No. E2S02UD... then the table/chart

Wajo, That's sort of where I've been. I was checking out 2.d of page 1. Everything in the wish list chart seems to me to check out. I am not sure about the EMPTY TITLE vs EMPTY SPACE change. I just haven't noticed, because, well because I just haven't noticed. Will check it out tomorrow AM.

I have not checked out any of the audio stuff, never use it.

Yes, my unit is Model No. E2S02UD.
Steve
Steve
post #18407 of 23784
Forgot. Don't know about the power backup - haven't had a power blip longer than a few minutes, maybe five to eight. Regardless, both the 525H and my 2160A survied it.
post #18408 of 23784
Oops, not 525, but 515.
post #18409 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

ALso, a 513 can have one of two "Model No." in the FW Version list: E2S00UD or E2S01UD. A 515 should have Model No. E2S02UD.

When I updated my 513 with the 515's 727V firmware the "Model No" changed from E2S00UD to E2S02UD.
post #18410 of 23784
I ordered a 515 last Sunday from Walmart and received it Thursday. Went back to see if it came with an HDMI but the unit wasn't on their site any longer. I got this unit based on the reviews at Amazon. I have been searching and reading for a month just to answer a simple question. I have been reading this thread since 4am yesterday morning. I have OTA, no cable or dish. I connected the 515 to antenna in and out to the TV and then an HDMI cable. I have a new LG "smart TV", the 5500. Can I record non-copywrited shows from netflix?
post #18411 of 23784
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Originally Posted by bkc1 View Post

I have a new LG "smart TV", the 5500. Can I record non-copywrited shows from netflix?

Does your TV have any video output connectors?
post #18412 of 23784
Lots of connections but they all say "in"
post #18413 of 23784
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Thanks Wajo.

I think your earlier explanation is the most convincing, i.e. that the 513 was (mistakenly by me) uploaded successfully with a firmware never intended for this model (intended for the 2160A) and this dilemma is the consequence. Why, I don't know.

Thanks to the contributors for all the time and effort.

this might sem like a stupid thing to try, but i've had similar kinds of failures trying to implement firmware on a couple of routers...

the OS on your PC MIGHT be the issue, as well as the software you are using to burn the CD.

if you have a machine with Win XP, try using that machine to burn your upgrade disc.

if you are using the Windows ' Built In ' support for burning discs, don't....

if you don't have either of the above, it might be helpful for someone to burn an upgrade CD ( who has been successful ) and have them ship it off to you to in order to eliminate non-dvr issues that may be impeding your success.

later OS versions ( beyond XP ) have various anomolies associated with burning discs. for all i know, something as silly as dealing with DRM in either the OS disc support or in seemingly ' unrelated ' software ( such as win media player, etc ) may be doing something to the discs that the DVR hiccups on, eg, it might be tripping over some sort of DRM or CP issue and getting confused.

i have only done upgrades on 3576 machines so far, but unless there's some wierd anomoly with your specific machine, i really don't think you should be experiencing the kind of difficulty that you are.

since, with multi-files in a test, your DVR at least asks for a selection, this means that the DVR is indeed reading the disc ok to begin with..

the fact that the drawer opens after a period of time would indicate that the DVR may not be finding some obscure item, such as an EOF flag or marker in the image itself. indeed, the burn procedure ( whatever is being used ), may have a bug-a-boo in it that does something like ' not write the last bit, or sector ', and the DVR reacts by thinking it needs ' the rest ' of the .mot file or some such thing...

just a shot in the dark...

regards,
ron g
post #18414 of 23784
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Originally Posted by bkc1 View Post

Lots of connections but they all say "in"

That means you have no way to send the Netflix audio and video signals from the TV to the Magnavox recorder.
post #18415 of 23784
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Yes, actually sort of important to know what, if anything, 726H does! I don't think we've delved into this with the people who got 726V, another "oddball," in their refurb'd 515's.

My first look into my 513 with Firmware HD6A269726H1E.

From the Diff Table, the only thing I have seen different (I haven't checked all) is item 32, the Double Are You Sure issue. I am unsure which command caused the double in the 513, but I do not get a double Are You Sure when I erase a DVD-RW.

I haven't looked into items 21 or 31 yet.
post #18416 of 23784
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LennyB View Post

My first look into my 513 with Firmware HD6A269726H1E.

From the Diff Table, the only thing I have seen different (I haven't checked all) is item 32, the Double Are You Sure issue. I am unsure which command caused the double in the 513, but I do not get a double Are You Sure when I erase a DVD-RW.

I haven't looked into items 21 or 31 yet.

One of the places you can check for double "Are you sure?" dialogs is in deleting a HDD title.
post #18417 of 23784
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Well, this isn't exactly my experience. After inserting the disk (following skip 654) the disk loads, then the display says "File loading". After a period of time the disk ejects and the display states "Please insert disk", having done nothing to upload the FW. No error messages are stated.

Exactly the same problem I had. No joy on the update. Will use as-is, it's OK that way.
post #18418 of 23784
I picked one of these units up years ago thanks to this thread. I've been enjoying it immensely. We've just been delivered a bunch of snow, and no one is leaving our neighborhood, so I thought I'd work on some long awaited projects.

Currently, we are using a homemade antenna to record local networks over the air.

We also pay a crazy high cable bill to watch the occasional college football game. We don't watch much else on cable because I can't be bothered with the commercials after being spoiled with the DVR.

So today, I thought I would try and see what channels I could tune from the cable company instead of my OTA setup. When I try and access the "general settings" menu, it tosses me out and I can't use it.

How do I get access to that? I looked at the reset options, but some say "if you can access menus" which I can't. The rest of the unit seems to be working fine, except that the clock recently when off and displays the ----

I reset that manually and it seems to be sticking.

Please help me access my settings!

Thanks,

Rob
post #18419 of 23784
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Originally Posted by Steve265 View Post

Wajo, I'm not certain I was the first to report a new 515H with 726V FW, but I have one. HTH do we find what is "out of the ordinary"? Is there some sort of check list or process you would/could suggest? I'll try one way or another but a direction from you might help get me started.
Steve

Just plugged in and tested my 515 that I got shipped to store from Walmart last week. I also have 726V.
post #18420 of 23784
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Originally Posted by rob r View Post

I picked one of these units up years ago thanks to this thread. I've been enjoying it immensely. We've just been delivered a bunch of snow, and no one is leaving our neighborhood, so I thought I'd work on some long awaited projects.

Currently, we are using a homemade antenna to record local networks over the air.

We also pay a crazy high cable bill to watch the occasional college football game. We don't watch much else on cable because I can't be bothered with the commercials after being spoiled with the DVR.

So today, I thought I would try and see what channels I could tune from the cable company instead of my OTA setup. When I try and access the "general settings" menu, it tosses me out and I can't use it.

How do I get access to that? I looked at the reset options, but some say "if you can access menus" which I can't. The rest of the unit seems to be working fine, except that the clock recently when off and displays the ----

I reset that manually and it seems to be sticking.

Please help me access my settings!

Thanks,

Rob

Nevermind. Apparently, you can't plug in an RCA video out and run it to a small monitor for setup. Stick with HDMI out you've always been using and fire up the projector and you are good.

I don't know how it knows, but it does, and it has an attitude about it.

Rob
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