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post #18421 of 23903
1/29/12 at 9:39am
Picked up the 2 513s last night. Just unboxing them now. Everything went no problem at the border, except with my legendary luck I got 2 lady border agents who felt like going by the book, so it cost me 63$ and change in taxes... but they didn't even want to look at the units or let alone open the trunk, they went by the WM receipt, and classified the goods as miscellaneous... all they wanted was their money. Oh well...

Few things I want to make sure..

I'll check the current FW versions etc first, then move on to upgrade to 727V I need to write it to a CD-R, not a DVD-R, correct? I only found my DVD-Rs, but I'm sure I still have some CD-Rs somewhere in the house.

Anything (else) I should do/check BEFORE I upgrade?
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post #18422 of 23903
1/29/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

this might sem like a stupid thing to try, but i've had similar kinds of failures trying to implement firmware on a couple of routers...

the OS on your PC MIGHT be the issue, as well as the software you are using to burn the CD.

if you have a machine with Win XP, try using that machine to burn your upgrade disc.

if you are using the Windows ' Built In ' support for burning discs, don't....

if you don't have either of the above, it might be helpful for someone to burn an upgrade CD ( who has been successful ) and have them ship it off to you to in order to eliminate non-dvr issues that may be impeding your success.

later OS versions ( beyond XP ) have various anomolies associated with burning discs. for all i know, something as silly as dealing with DRM in either the OS disc support or in seemingly ' unrelated ' software ( such as win media player, etc ) may be doing something to the discs that the DVR hiccups on, eg, it might be tripping over some sort of DRM or CP issue and getting confused.

i have only done upgrades on 3576 machines so far, but unless there's some wierd anomoly with your specific machine, i really don't think you should be experiencing the kind of difficulty that you are.

since, with multi-files in a test, your DVR at least asks for a selection, this means that the DVR is indeed reading the disc ok to begin with..

the fact that the drawer opens after a period of time would indicate that the DVR may not be finding some obscure item, such as an EOF flag or marker in the image itself. indeed, the burn procedure ( whatever is being used ), may have a bug-a-boo in it that does something like ' not write the last bit, or sector ', and the DVR reacts by thinking it needs ' the rest ' of the .mot file or some such thing...

just a shot in the dark...

regards,
ron g

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your response.

After having incorrectly loaded 715 FW into the 513 because I'm partly blind and grabbed the wrong disk, I then tried the correct FW disk (727V) that I had successfully used to update my 2160A and my 515, and that is when my uploading became unsuccessful. After this I tried various other FWs (718, 072A, etc) with no joy. Anyway, since the 727V disk (which is the FW I really wanted on the 513 was successful at upgrading my 2160A and my 515, it would appear that that FW disk is OK. Still, I'll keep trying.

Regards,

Jim
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post #18423 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post

Picked up the 2 513s last night. Just unboxing them now. Everything went no problem at the border, except with my legendary luck I got 2 lady border agents who felt like going by the book, so it cost me 63$ and change in taxes... but they didn't even want to look at the units or let alone open the trunk, they went by the WM receipt, and classified the goods as miscellaneous... all they wanted was their money. Oh well...

Few things I want to make sure..

I'll check the current FW versions etc first, then move on to upgrade to 727V I need to write it to a CD-R, not a DVD-R, correct? I only found my DVD-Rs, but I'm sure I still have some CD-Rs somewhere in the house.

Anything (else) I should do/check BEFORE I upgrade?

Yes, check your FW Versions with SKIP 123, as described here.

Post those numbers... you can copy and paste the correct one(s) from the FW List on that linked page. Each 513 may be different, so check them both.

I'm expecting my 2 513's in a week so I'll be doing the same as you.

I like to use CD-R for the upgrade cuz it uses a process Windows and others have used for a gazillion years.
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post #18424 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post

I'll check the current FW versions etc first, then move on to upgrade to 727V I need to write it to a CD-R, not a DVD-R, correct? I only found my DVD-Rs, but I'm sure I still have some CD-Rs somewhere in the house.

I successfully used a DVD-R for the upgrade.
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post #18425 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:30am
Ok than wajo and eplay!

BTW the first 513 is a July built. haven't unpacked the second unit yet. Model is the E2S01UD.

Should't I use the SKIP 079? SKIP 123 takes like 40 minutes to do, no?

I found some CD-Rs

I already downloaded the 727V, I was wondering whether I could/should also DL the 72A and burn it on to the same CD before I finalize it. So I'll have one CD I can keep for the ages with both FWs on it. The Mag should ask me which FW I want to apply when it detects more than one, correct?
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post #18426 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Yes, actually sort of important to know what, if anything, 726H does! I don't think we've delved into this with the people who got 726V, another "oddball," in their refurb'd 515's.

My recently acquired 513H from WM has a June 2011 build and the 726H FW. Didn't think to mention it until the other poster said his had it as well. I recently updated the FW im my 2160A to 727H from 72A. This only reflects a few weeks of observation but if there's a difference between the two I don't see it.
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post #18427 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post

Ok than wajo and eplay!

BTW the first 513 is a July built. haven't unpacked the second unit yet. Model is the E2S01UD.

Should't I use the SKIP 079? SKIP 123 takes like 40 minutes to do, no?

I found some CD-Rs

I already downloaded the 727V, I was wondering whether I could/should also DL the 72A and burn it on to the same CD before I finalize it. So I'll have one CD I can keep for the ages with both FWs on it. The Mag should ask me which FW I want to apply when it detects more than one, correct?

Make sure you download the Funai Instructions also!

Your Model # is a late-513 (July-> build).

Please read the short instruction for SKIP 123 at that link I gave, it's the correct utility to use for checking FW Versions. Make sure you don't press OK at the end of the check, use only RETURN to get rid of menu. It takes only a few sec to get menu up.

Yes, you can put more than 1 FW version on a disc and the machine will ask which one you want to install.
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post #18428 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by bkc1 View Post

Lots of connections but they all say "in"

Welcome to 21th century TV hell.

You need to try with a Smart DVD/Blue Ray player with analog outputs.
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post #18429 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post


BTW the first 513 is a July built. haven't unpacked the second unit yet. Model is the E2S01UD.

The model number listed on the sticker at the rear of the recorder may be different than what the skip 123 screen shows. My early model 513 had E2S01UD on the sticker but E2S00UD listed in the FW screen.
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post #18430 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:54am
I was just on a site and an ad to the left caught my eye -- KMart is selling 513s for $235.28. It let me put it in my cart but I did not go further in the process.

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...859000P?adid=1

(It let me add 5 to the cart, but on 6 it says it can't be added to the cart.)
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post #18431 of 23903
1/29/12 at 10:57am
I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I just plugged everything in and, first let down... I'm loosing some channels

Looks like the internal splitter is pretty lame... that could be a big issue for me. I thought it'd be fine with the reports that it has a 1db amplifier built-in but if it's going to make me lose channels...

Edit: Ok, so on this first unit, the model on the FW is indeed different than the sticker : E2S00UD
And it has the 726H FW.

I think I'll hold off updating the FW for now for 2 reasons, first is 726H seems to do pretty much all the same things 727V does, and also if I'm going to have this channel loss issue, it may be going back.
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post #18432 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:20pm
According to Funai for writing firmware:

http://www.funaiservice.com/webpage/...umber&x=10&y=9


"PLEASE NOTE: For best results, DVD media is recommended"
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post #18433 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Steve265 View Post

Wajo, That's sort of where I've been. I was checking out 2.d of page 1. Everything in the wish list chart seems to me to check out. I am not sure about the EMPTY TITLE vs EMPTY SPACE change. I just haven't noticed, because, well because I just haven't noticed. Will check it out tomorrow AM.

I have not checked out any of the audio stuff, never use it.

Yes, my unit is Model No. E2S02UD.
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Steve

Wajo,
Checked this AM regarding EMPTY TITLE vs EMPTY SPACE on my new 515H with 726V FW. It showes EMPTY SPACE. So, from what I can tell, the 726V FW is the same as the 727V.
FWIW, I dubbed a title with a 2160A with 718H FW. It showed EMPTY TITLE. Then, I dubbed another title to the disk with the 515H. It showed EMPTY SPACE for what was left on the disk. So, it changed.
Not sure where to look or for what to look for if there is anything extra in the 726V FW. Will keep an eye out,
Steve
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post #18434 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:36pm
Just in case someone can learn from my experience: Downloaded all 3 FW updates to work on my 513 and 2160. With my Mac made a cdr (with all 3) , and it gave me an error (red box and something like "Cannot play disk") when I tried to update the unit. Made a dvd and I received the same error. Went to the PC, made a cdr, got the same error. Then I put a single 727H on a disk 650mb (not 700mb) cdr and instead of burning it at 40X I burned it at 16X; it worked perfectly on both machines. Did the same thing with 727V, and again it worked perfectly.

Sorry I had so many variables, but got it working. Hope it helps somebody. Considering how many times you guys have helped me.

Thanks
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post #18435 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Steve265 View Post

Wajo,
Checked this AM regarding EMPTY TITLE vs EMPTY SPACE on my new 515H with 726V FW. It showes EMPTY SPACE. So, from what I can tell, the 726V FW is the same as the 727V.
FWIW, I dubbed a title with a 2160A with 718H FW. It showed EMPTY TITLE. Then, I dubbed another title to the disk with the 515H. It showed EMPTY SPACE for what was left on the disk. So, it changed.
Not sure where to look or for what to look for if there is anything extra in the 726V FW. Will keep an eye out,
Steve

The BIG thing to look for is pre-titling of timer programs. Set up a dummy timer program then do as described here.
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post #18436 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by fredfredfred View Post

Just in case someone can learn from my experience: Downloaded all 3 FW updates to work on my 513 and 2160. With my Mac made a cdr (with all 3) , and it gave me an error (red box and something like "Cannot play disk") when I tried to update the unit. Made a dvd and I received the same error. Went to the PC, made a cdr, got the same error. Then I put a single 727H on a disk 650mb (not 700mb) cdr and instead of burning it at 40X I burned it at 16X; it worked perfectly on both machines. Did the same thing with 727V, and again it worked perfectly.

Sorry I had so many variables, but got it working. Hope it helps somebody. Considering how many times you guys have helped me.



JimLely... wanted to make sure you see this!

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post #18437 of 23903
1/29/12 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

The BIG thing to look for is pre-titling of timer programs. Set up a dummy timer program then do as described here.

Wajo,
Yes, that was #1 in the Wish List and it all checks out.
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post #18438 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:03pm
I'm sure we'll be seeing lots of 513's and some 515's on Ebay. Some are already being sold there, with more to follow.

Seems a lot of what Walmart sold went to those who saw it as a quick may to make a buck, not to those who buy them to use them. That just drives the price up.

I'm hoping more show up at Wlamart and these "scalpers" take a financial hit.
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post #18439 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Steve265 View Post

Wajo,
Yes, that was #1 in the Wish List and it all checks out.

Really sounds as if you don't need 727V, at least for now.
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post #18440 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post



JimLely... wanted to make sure you see this!




And .......?
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post #18441 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by NoPlasmaYet View Post

I'm sure we'll be seeing lots of 513's and some 515's on Ebay. Some are already being sold there, with more to follow.

Seems a lot of what Walmart sold went to those who saw it as a quick may to make a buck, not to those who buy them to use them. That just drives the price up.

I'm hoping more show up at Wlamart and these "scalpers" take a financial hit.

They won't take a financial hit. They'll just return them.

Good ol' American capitalism...screw your neighbor.
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post #18442 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

And .......?

Never mind.
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post #18443 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Really sounds as if you don't need 727V, at least for now.

I think I'll just hide & watch for a while to see what happens.
Thanks wajo for this great thread.
Steve
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post #18444 of 23903
1/29/12 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

One of the places you can check for double "Are you sure?" dialogs is in deleting a HDD title.

In my 513 726H, deleting an HDD Title operates this way: First select the Title, then the Title Delete option, then Delete This Title, then Yes. There is no "Are You Sure" option.

Is this different from earlier 513's?
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post #18445 of 23903
1/29/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by LennyB View Post

In my 513 726H, deleting an HDD Title operates this way: First select the Title, then the Title Delete option, then Delete This Title, then Yes. There is no "Are You Sure" option.

Is this different from earlier 513's?

Then it's late-513/FW72A and 515 style. Used to be Delete this title? Yes/No, then Are you sure? Yes/No.
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post #18446 of 23903
1/29/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I just plugged everything in and, first let down... I'm loosing some channels

Looks like the internal splitter is pretty lame... that could be a big issue for me. I thought it'd be fine with the reports that it has a 1db amplifier built-in but if it's going to make me lose channels...

Edit: Ok, so on this first unit, the model on the FW is indeed different than the sticker : E2S00UD
And it has the 726H FW.

I think I'll hold off updating the FW for now for 2 reasons, first is 726H seems to do pretty much all the same things 727V does, and also if I'm going to have this channel loss issue, it may be going back.

Are you OTA? I tried my new 515 a few nights ago, and couldn't find several OTA channels that SHOULD have been there. A few others were there, but were pixelating because of low signal strentgh. A few nights later, they were all there and strong. I'm blaming solar flares. If you are OTA, you might wait a few days and try again before returning the unit.
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post #18447 of 23903
1/29/12 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

And .......?

I think the post that Wajo was trying to flag for you is suggesting burning your media at a slower rate. Like 4x or 2x. I am having the same trouble that you are, and have tried the same things that you have reported trying with the same no luck. I will try burning both CD and DVD media at the slowest possible rates, and report the results.
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post #18448 of 23903
1/29/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by rxheaven View Post

I just plugged everything in and, first let down... I'm loosing some channels

Looks like the internal splitter is pretty lame... that could be a big issue for me. I thought it'd be fine with the reports that it has a 1db amplifier built-in but if it's going to make me lose channels...

I think I'll hold off updating the FW for now for 2 reasons, first is 726H seems to do pretty much all the same things 727V does, and also if I'm going to have this channel loss issue, it may be going back.

Multiple Auto Channel Presets can do wonders, esp. if you're on cable!

Your coax to the Mag isn't running thru any surge suppressor devices, like the coax connectors on some power strips or other surge suppressors?

Also, no amps in front of the Mag?

Also, see this help file for possible tuning interference causing channel loss.
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post #18449 of 23903
1/29/12 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Then it's late-513/FW72A and 515 style. Used to be Delete this title? Yes/No, then Are you sure? Yes/No.

I plan on installing the 727V Firmware soon, unless someone is aware of a problem installing 727V in a 726H 513.
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post #18450 of 23903
1/29/12 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by LennyB View Post

I plan on installing the 727V Firmware soon, unless someone is aware of a problem installing 727V in a 726H 513.

I suspect it's already been done by someone who didn't know he had that odd FW in a 513... we'll know soon, won't we?
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