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post #19561 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

To have to keep changing the video settings on the recorder is too "messy" and also leaves open the chance of forgetting and being stuck with a letterboxed recording when you were expecting a widescreen one.

This is true, which is why I tolerate skinny using my old bedroom TV with my extra Funais the little I watch TV in the bedrooms. I hate having black bars recorded onto DVDs, and the PQ degradation from needing to zoom a 16:9 TV in two directions to play such a DVD back without stretching or squishing. All 5 of mine are always set to 16:9.
post #19562 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Seems odd that Magnavox would be replacing a recorder sold by J&R only two weeks ago.

Wouldn't you have to go thru the seller first, namely J&R, rather than go to Magnavox directly?

J&R is one of refurbish model seller, isn't it?
I am not sure the number of refurbish item dealer.
I think their stock would be filled when refurbish factory despatches to them.

It means that the availability of refurbish item store depends on OUR factory..
post #19563 of 23781
Well 234 if they do decide to make that supposed new unit I bet most of us here would buy one and you'd also get some new customers as that would he a unique product here in the US. If they do hopefully it will be full HD tuner with a cable card and ATSC support as most here are on some form of cable now. Will be watching to see if you find out anything one way or the other
post #19564 of 23781
The long time between (claimed) end of 515 production (Q1 2012) and black friday is actually encouraging. It should mean the new model should have enough development time to mean more than the mostly minor changes we saw between previous models. Hopefully more than the simple addition of BluRay play capability will be part of the package, such as incorporating enhanced editing functionality (e.g. position/frame counter, 1X reverse, auto preview, etc.), VR mode, HS dub from DVD back to HD, and internet stream player functions like in a Roku or similar for Netflix & Hulu & more, which due to internet connectivity should also enable reliable and accurate NTP clock maintenance.
post #19565 of 23781
Frame accurate editing similar to what Pioneer HDD DVD recorders had would be a plus. As would a title entry system similar to what Panasonic currently uses. The ability to play back XviD files is something the Magnavox 515 lacks. The apparent surge in purchases of Magnavoxes lately gives Funai a reason to plan on manufacturing new Magnavoxes but who will sell them? Walmart may decide these newer Magnavoxes are too much a niche product.
post #19566 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gerrytwo View Post

Frame accurate editing similar to what Pioneer HDD DVD recorders had would be a plus...who will sell them? Walmart may decide these newer Magnavoxes are too much a niche product.

J&R? Crutchfield? B&H? Has WalMart.com done or said anything to indicate it wouldn't carry a newer model? Have you not noticed the poor economy is shifting more people away from cable and satellite to OTA or streaming? You think people receiving only OTA TV don't want to time shift or save favorites?

Would be nice to be able to play Pioneer VR discs too, since it's no longer possible to buy a new Pioneer. Also nice would be Funai finalized DVDs that don't prohibit Pioneer players from using skip fwd/back. Funais don't do that with Pioneer discs.
post #19567 of 23781
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Originally Posted by Docrww1 View Post

So I talked to a magnavox customer rep today. She is doing a quick exchange on a defective 515 I bought from J&R two weeks ago. I asked in the conversation if the units were discontinued, she said yes, but the engineers were working on the replacement model for the 515 now. It would be a New HDD/BD/DVD Recorder with some new features like dual layer recording. I asked how she knew so much; she said she wanted to keep up with what's going on in her company. I asked if it would be released soon. She said no , the proposed released date is Black Friday this year; she said they would probably use customer suggestions on product specs or needs as they have on previous models. Hope everything she said is good info. Great info on this web site.
Thanks wajo , keep up the good work.

A new blu-ray model would be on all of our wish lists, but the fact that 234 has not heard of this is discouraging.
post #19568 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Seems odd that Magnavox would be replacing a recorder sold by J&R only two weeks ago.

Wouldn't you have to go thru the seller first, namely J&R, rather than go to Magnavox directly?

I called Funai service when I had the analog tuner lockup issue and they wanted to replace the unit that I had bought from J&R less than 2 weeks prior. I did not do that because I knew the replacement would have the same exact problem as the one I would have sent back.
If it had been a hardware failure I would rather have sent it to Funai because J&R would have made me pay return shipping according to their return policy, if I read it correctly.
In any event, my issues with the tuner lockup problem have been addressed and I am happy. I wish I could elaborate more on that, but just to let you know, it was not the service department that fixed the issue.

Arigatou gozaimasu
ありがとうございます。
post #19569 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

What I'm talking about is this-

Recorder set to 16x9, but the TV is a 4x3 screen, standard def. Gets the output from the recorder thru composite.

The recorder isn't letterboxing anything, and is getting, recording, and outputting JUST the widescreen picture.

That widescreen picture, getting to the TV, is the full content of the widescreen picture. The sides aren't cut off. Instead the entire content of the widescreen picture is being squeezed into the 4x3 display, resulting in everyone looking tall and thin.


I don't see how you'd be getting a 4x3 version of the widescreen picture, correct aspect ratio, but with the sides missing. The recorder, set on 16x9, should be feeding the whole widescreen picture to your TV. There's no way you're not getting a squeezed widescreen picture.

I'm doing it right now with our local NBC affiliate, and I'm getting the Tonight Show with the full content of the 16x9 broadcast on my 4x3 screen...so everything is squeezed left and right. None of the widescreen picture is missing, but it's being forced into a 4x3 screen, so everything's squeezed, so everyone looks tall and thin.

If I recorded this show and then reset the recorder to letterbox, the widescreen recording would be letterboxed and appear with black bars (and no squeezing or "distortion") on the 4x3 screen.

Things recorded in letterbox, however, won't go widescreen when the recorder is reset to widescreen. (I've tried recording in all three formats, and then tried playing back the three recordings in all three formats.)

As said originally, if you leave the recorder set on "widescreen", widescreen broadcasts get passed on to a 4x3 TV squeezed/distorted.

You can later view widescreen recordings in letterboxed format, if you reset the recorder to letterbox, but you'd then have to reset it back to widescreen to make recordings be widescreen and usable by either type of TV later on.

To have to keep changing the video settings on the recorder is too "messy" and also leaves open the chance of forgetting and being stuck with a letterboxed recording when you were expecting a widescreen one.

I can't duplicate your conditions so I guess we have stop going over this ground again. Just a few comments though.

The 4:3 TV has no options. It's cheap. When surfing the digital channels 2 out of 6 HSN channels were cropped, the others squished. My local CBS & NBC stations never bought digital cameras so local news is always 4:3 with barn doors. The ABC & Fox studios are 16:9 and they advertise that a lot. Some devices are "adaptive" and can change with content, some are "fixed" and always output what a menu option says to do. There are just too many variables. On to better things.
post #19570 of 23781
Ever wonder about these Funais not having optimize or defrag menu options? I wonder if while in record buffer mode they are also defragging quietly in the background.
post #19571 of 23781
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Originally Posted by Docrww1 View Post

So I talked to a magnavox customer rep today. She is doing a quick exchange on a defective 515 I bought from J&R two weeks ago. I asked in the conversation if the units were discontinued, she said yes, but the engineers were working on the replacement model for the 515 now. It would be a New HDD/BD/DVD Recorder with some new features like dual layer recording.


Does this mean that I'll finally be able to record in HD and write it to a DVD?

I'm about to replace the HD in my vintage 3575 for the second time (1st replacement HD was apparently refurbished). From my reading here it just doesn't seem like there is really anything better out there than my early production model 3575.

Also, I use this thing a lot and have since I bought it new (in 2007?) and I still love it.
post #19572 of 23781
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Originally Posted by zzyzzx View Post

Does this mean that I'll finally be able to record in HD and write it to a DVR?

If you meant to say DVD, and not DVR its very unlikely.
post #19573 of 23781
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

If you meant to say DVD, and not DVR its very unlikely.

Yes, I meant DVD. Actually if I could record in HD and watch in HD and record to a DVD in SD that would be a big improvement as well. Since it said dual layer, I thought maybe HD.
post #19574 of 23781
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Originally Posted by zzyzzx View Post

Yes, I meant DVD. Actually if I could record in HD and watch in HD and record to a DVD in SD that would be a big improvement as well. Since it said dual layer, I thought maybe HD.

We can all wish. I can record & watch in HD now (not a TiVo). but I don't see the copyright police letting a new device cross our borders at this time. It would take a big "game change" to let such an animal into the USA. But keep up hope.

I'm with the 4/1 people, sorry.
post #19575 of 23781
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

We can all wish. I can record & watch in HD now (not a TiVo). but I don't see the copyright police letting a new device cross our borders at this time. It would take a big "game change" to let such an animal into the USA. But keep up hope.

I'm with the 4/1 people, sorry.

What equipment are you using to record HD?
post #19576 of 23781
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

We can all wish. I can record & watch in HD now (not a TiVo).

Me too (DTVPal DVR). I mostly use my 3575 as a backup and, or for archiving.
post #19577 of 23781
After a lot of searching, I can't find an answer:

I just got my refurbed 515. How do you find out how many hours of recording have been done?

Thank you.
post #19578 of 23781
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Originally Posted by morc258 View Post

What equipment are you using to record HD?

Old Sony DHG-HDD250/500 units. Nice, classy, but you NEED TVGOS V8 to make them happy. THEY HAVE NO MANUAL CLOCK SET. It's not a DVR, it's an adventure. I've said that before, but the 250 (30 hours @ 1080i) still goes for about $250 on eBay. The LG LST3410a has a manual clock set but not as much fun.

My 2160V and 515 are used for cable 480i digital and I send the recordings @ 1080p to my AVR and then to my TV. The Mags get a good digital signal and the recordings are great. At 50 hours in HQ, space (and DVD) is not an issue for me. I'm just an old time shifter. I seldom watch TV in real time.

I also have a TiVo Premier with cable card. And a lot of other stuff. Only item I have ever sent back because it wouldn't work with my cable system is the CM 7400. I have a strange cable feed.
post #19579 of 23781
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mile_r7 View Post

After a lot of searching, I can't find an answer:

I just got my refurbed 515. How do you find out how many hours of recording have been done?

Thank you.

See Section 8a and b here.
post #19580 of 23781
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Originally Posted by 234 View Post


Wow!
I need to call there to get such good news since I have never heard of it here.

Lol. You're too funny.

I suppose it will have 4 built-in tuners too!
post #19581 of 23781
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Originally Posted by zzyzzx View Post

Does this mean that I'll finally be able to record in HD and write it to a DVD?

I'm about to replace the HD in my vintage 3575 for the second time (1st replacement HD was apparently refurbished). From my reading here it just doesn't seem like there is really anything better out there than my early production model 3575.

Also, I use this thing a lot and have since I bought it new (in 2007?) and I still love it.


The age of your still-working unit makes me both mournful over my two lost 3576s (lost NOT due to them failing) but also very hopeful over the future of the two 515s I now have...and the 513 that's still in its box. (I really should plug that baby in, shouldn't I?)
post #19582 of 23781
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Originally Posted by Jerrymc777 View Post

Lol. You're too funny.

I suppose it will have 4 built-in tuners too!

Be nice. It's not like they have a thread and promised delivery:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1262996

When Funai says something I will listen. For now, it's just random noise and hearsay.
post #19583 of 23781
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

...and the 513 that's still in its box...I really should plug that baby in, shouldn't I?

Yup. That's the trouble with can't pass up deals that show up while you have other things to do. You don't want to find out you have a DOA after the 30 day easy return period has passed - the extra grief and/or return shipping typically removes the "good" from the deal.
post #19584 of 23781
Going back to the widescreen setup, if you set the recorder to 16:9, record content in that format [i.e., watching a truly 16:9 show] to HDD, and then burn to DVD, does it set the widescreen flag, meaning it'll create an anamorphic DVD that'll play back properly on either a 16:9 or 4:3 (letterboxed) TV?

I love this feature of my Toshibas (being able to make true anamorphic DVDs) and I know it was a fairly unique feature for a long time.
post #19585 of 23781
Several years ago I bought a Panasonic DVD recorder as a spare. I did check it for a few recordings then put it up. Three years later I started using it and it lasted about a week before it went belly up. It triggered a search for another recorder which led me to this thread.

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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

Yup. That's the trouble with can't pass up deals that show up while you have other things to do. You don't want to find out you have a DOA after the 30 day easy return period has passed - the extra grief and/or return shipping typically removes the "good" from the deal.
post #19586 of 23781
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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

Going back to the widescreen setup, if you set the recorder to 16:9, record content in that format [i.e., watching a truly 16:9 show] to HDD, and then burn to DVD, does it set the widescreen flag, meaning it'll create an anamorphic DVD that'll play back properly on either a 16:9 or 4:3 (letterboxed) TV?

I love this feature of my Toshibas (being able to make true anamorphic DVDs) and I know it was a fairly unique feature for a long time.

If I record the Tonight Show from my NBC HD channel to HDD (set 16:9), then burn a DVD-R with my 515H set to 16:9, will that make a valid test DVD for you? I can do that tonight. I can play it back on the 515H or S570 BR or one of many analog DVD players, including a Toshiba RX-50. My TV is a 16:9 Sony 32EX700, and I have a 2160V connected to my Sanyo 4:3 HD TV connected via component since the TV has no HDMI. I am not going to use composite, S-Video or leaded gas. I don't own an analog CRT TV.

Will that work for you?

I do wonder though: how do you define widescreen?
post #19587 of 23781
Check Amazon for the 515H. They have it "no longer available", but you can get one for $1,599 if you hurry.
post #19588 of 23781
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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

Going back to the widescreen setup, if you set the recorder to 16:9, record content in that format [i.e., watching a truly 16:9 show] to HDD, and then burn to DVD, does it set the widescreen flag, meaning it'll create an anamorphic DVD that'll play back properly on either a 16:9 or 4:3 (letterboxed) TV?

I love this feature of my Toshibas (being able to make true anamorphic DVDs) and I know it was a fairly unique feature for a long time.

It does not put the flag in when I last checked (a long time ago with H2160A). We worked around this either by stretching it on the TV, or use PC software to put the flag in manually in the DVD IFO files.

Actually it's not that unique, I think other DVDR do this correctly, too.
post #19589 of 23781
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Originally Posted by joekustra View Post

check amazon for the 515h. They have it "no longer available", but you can get one for $1,599 if you hurry.

:d:d
post #19590 of 23781
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

Yup. That's the trouble with can't pass up deals that show up while you have other things to do. You don't want to find out you have a DOA after the 30 day easy return period has passed - the extra grief and/or return shipping typically removes the "good" from the deal.

The price I paid Worldwide was $20 higher than J&R. If I'd waited a few days J&R would have had them in stock again.

Don't know how much of a "can't pass up deal" that was.

Anyway, some shows are coming on tomorrow I want to make sure to get, about six hours worth, and one of the 515s just doesn't have the hard drive space at the setting I want to use; the 513 is now hooked up and programmed.

The other 515 will be simul-cording, however.
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