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post #20581 of 25446
Oh CRUMB!

Monoprice won't take phone orders. Won't take mail orders either, and I never use my card number on the net.

*sigh*
post #20582 of 25446
Found this on monoprices site here. It is a better explanation than I could provide.

HDMI® Cables - AWG Explained
A cursory examination of the Monoprice HDMI Cables pages will reveal that there are more choices than just Standard and High Speed. What is likely to jump out at you are the different AWG (American Wire Gauge) ratings of the different cables. There are 28 AWG High Speed HDMI Cables and 22 AWG Standard HDMI Cables. What does all this mean?

First, AWG (American Wire Gauge) is a measure of the thickness, or gauge, of a wire. The system is based on the number of times a wire could be wound around a spool of a given width, so a 30 AWG wire could be wound 30 times, while a 20 AWG wire could handle only 20 windings. Therefore a 20 AWG wire is thicker, with a larger diameter, than a 30 AWG wire.

Wire gauge directly relates to the amount of electrical current that can be carried on the wire. The larger diameter of wire, the more current it can carry. In terms of HDMI this means that a larger gauge wire (smaller AWG number) is capable of higher bandwidth than a smaller gauge (larger AWG number). Therefore, a 22 AWG wire is capable of higher bandwidth than a 28 AWG wire.

If you look closely at the HDMI Cables pages, you will see that there are cutoff points for High Speed HDMI Cables in each AWG grouping. Beyond the cutoff the cables of the same AWG are rated as Standard HDMI Cables. The longer cables are not made any differently, however. As the length of a wire increases, so does the overall resistance of the wire. Increased resistance means decreased current capacity and therefore decreased bandwidth in HDMI terms.

The cutoff points for High Speed HDMI Cables of each AWG rating are:

28 AWG = maximum 10 feet

26 AWG = maximum 12 feet

24 AWG = maximum 15 feet

22 AWG = maximum 25 feet

So a 12 foot 28 AWG HDMI Cable is not rated for the full 10.2 Gbps required for the High Speed designation. However, it doesn't just jump down to the minimum 2.25 Gbps required for Standard HDMI Cables. It may be capable of 9.5 Gbps, which is almost enough for the High Speed rating, but because it isn't 10.2 Gbps, it must therefore be classified as a Standard HDMI Cable. The longer the wire, the lower the bandwidth it will be able to handle. However, all of our HDMI Cables are capable of at least the 2.25 Gbps minimum required for Standard HDMI Cables.
post #20583 of 25446
Well, unless they're willing to work with me on this, it looks like not only won't I be able to get my cables from them, I won't even be able to get the HDMI/S-Video converter I need.

Drat.
post #20584 of 25446
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Oh CRUMB!

Monoprice won't take phone orders. Won't take mail orders either, and I never use my card number on the net.

*sigh*

See if your card company offers (by checking their website) a 'Shop Safe' number-a virtual cc number generated by them and tied to your card, which allows you to make purchases online without giving out the real number.
post #20585 of 25446
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Oh CRUMB!

Monoprice won't take phone orders. Won't take mail orders either, and I never use my card number on the net.

*sigh*

If you're using a secure browser connected to a secure web site (https:// note the "s" for secure), it's probably safer to enter your credit card number there than to hand it to a waiter in a restaurant. But Monoprice also takes PayPal and Google Checkout. I finally gave in and got a PayPal account because it does provide a secure way to pay for the occasional eBay purchase without sharing credit card info.
post #20586 of 25446
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand
At this point-in-time (up TOO long!), I don't remember if it was you, or [B
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greaser[/b], or 'someone else' who was recently praising the Fury 3 (currently unavailable for sale in the US; LOTs of chatter a year or so ago about buying one *BEFORE* they became unavailable). What does the Fury 3 offer the user compared to the PVR-1212?

The HDFury is a HDMI>Component video converter.It's output supports all resolutions from 480i-1080p. It's still available from the manufacturer in Taiwan and may still be legally shipped to the USA.It's widely considered to be the highest quality converter of its kind in the world.There are 4 versions. The Fury and the PVR-1212 are entirely diff. kinds of products to serve diff.interests and aren't comparable,AFAIK. You can visit the Fury website at www.hdfury.com to learn more.These are very sophisticated little devices,they're not cheap.This converter in tandem with another converter is what is allowing me to stream video directly from the internet to my DVDR'S. There's no need for "free downloadable video editing software",or "programs",or "save as",or "authoring",or "encoding re-encoding",or "files",or anything else.No programs at all,just a straight shot from the internet to the HDD of my DVDR! I have more testing to do but,if things turn out the way i think(hope)they will,my need for a sat.subscription may not be as dire.From what i've seen so far,i think the integration of DVDR+internet is more compatible than cable>DVDR. I don't know yet.
post #20587 of 25446
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

If you're using a secure browser connected to a secure web site (https:// note the "s" for secure), it's probably safer to enter your credit card number there than to hand it to a waiter in a restaurant. But Monoprice also takes PayPal and Google Checkout. I finally gave in and got a PayPal account because it does provide a secure way to pay for the occasional eBay purchase without sharing credit card info.

I wanted to take this off the forum, since it's getting off topic, but seems your membership won't accept Private Messages.

Care to outline what has to be done to get a Pay Pal account?
post #20588 of 25446
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

....that tells me everything is fine with the source signal. If it were me, I would be looking for an issue with the DVDR....

Today i was successful in recording that(Public Domain) movie off the internet to both my Mag.515,and Philips 3576,both video AND audio,but not on the Mag.2160A. I took your suggestion and burned a short portion ~30sec. to disc,the video was good but still no audio,it just passes thru to the tv.The funny thing is,i recorded a movie off TCM and the audio was ok
post #20589 of 25446
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Monoprice won't take phone orders. Won't take mail orders either, and I never use my card number on the net.

You may be able to use a prepaid card for a credit card purchase as a layer of protection.
I also am a fan of PayPal. Their service is very convenient and secure. Their buyer protection is top notch.
post #20590 of 25446
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

Care to outline what has to be done to get a Pay Pal account?

Just go to the PayPal website and click the Sign Up link at the top of the page.
post #20591 of 25446
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.... That tells me everything is fine with the source signal. If it were me, I would be looking for an issue with the DVDR...

Uh oh,all's not well in recorderville,i just found a movie on the HDD of the Mag.2160A,recorded off TCM that has no audio.I don't know if it was a mistake i made or a symptom of a new problem.But the very next movie on the HDD recorded off TCM does have audio

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post #20592 of 25446
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Originally Posted by PeterTheGeek View Post

Maybe they will fix it in the new unit that is yet to be announced, fingers crossed.

I'm also waiting for that new unit!

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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

.[*]The Hauppauge 1212 PVR was the *BEST* purchase I've made in a long time. HD videos from the 7232, recorded @ 720p / 13.5V look *FANTASTIC* when played back through my Media Streamers (Seagate FAT+, Patriot Box Office; and I still have a 'Refurbished' Western Digital Live Plus in the box waiting to try out) or via HDMI from my laptop. Since the Seagate FAT+ has a COMPOSITE output, an upcoming 'Experiment' is to see what streaming a HD 720p / 13.5V movie from the FAT+ into the composite inputs of a Mag DVDR looks like - i.e. will it be 16:9A or 4:3PS?

A HDMI recorder will be a better solution. Maybe someday right?
post #20593 of 25446
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

The Hauppauge 1212 PVR was the *BEST* purchase I've made in a long time . . . Since the Seagate FAT+ has a COMPOSITE output, an upcoming 'Experiment' is to see what streaming a HD 720p / 13.5V movie from the FAT+ into the composite inputs of a Mag DVDR looks like - i.e. will it be 16:9A or 4:3PS?

I hope you are just doing that for fun and not considering that as a method to burn titles you already have in digital form on a HDD.

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When I switched from Comcast to FiOS in May 2011, I was *TOTALLY* pleased with the 'Clear QAM' recordings on the Mag DVDR(s) Then I started pay attention to Kelson

Always a dangerous proposition.

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I want to dedicate the new 7100 STB / 1212 PVR / Win7 laptop to recording HD movies @ 720p / 13.5V.

Don't ask me how I got to this point - I blame Kelson...

I accept the responsibility for leading you into the future. Yes you can use the IR blaster on the H-1212 to control the STB and schedule recordings. However, if you have FIOS and are going to dedicate a PC to recording -- it's time for you to spend more money . Buy a Silicon Dust HD HomeRun Prime for $184 (triple tuner/uses cable card/network tuner); rent a FIOS cable card; use Win-7 Media Center as your DVR; use Video ReDo H.264 as your editing software.

Then again, you could just buy a TiVo + FIOS cable card; network transfer your shows to your laptop+ext. drive; edit out commercials with Video ReDo; stream to all your media players throughout the house.
post #20594 of 25446
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

A HDMI recorder will be a better solution. Maybe someday right?

In the U.S. -- NEVER.
An HDMI input will never be licensed to a recording device. The whole purpose of HDMI was to prevent digital leakage by license restrictions.
post #20595 of 25446
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

Uh oh,all's not well in recorderville,i just found a movie on the HDD of the Mag.2160A,recorded off TCM that has no audio.I don't know if it was a mistake i made or a symptom of a new problem.But the very next movie on the HDD recorded off TCM does have audio

Time to make some fresh recordings and see if the input is functioning reliably or your unit is biting the dust.
post #20596 of 25446
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

The HDFury is a HDMI>Component video converter.It's output supports all resolutions from 480i-1080p. It's still available from the manufacturer in Taiwan and may still be legally shipped to the USA.It's widely considered to be the highest quality converter of its kind in the world.There are 4 versions. The Fury and the PVR-1212 are entirely diff. kinds of products to serve diff.interests and aren't comparable,AFAIK. You can visit the Fury website at www.hdfury.com to learn more.These are very sophisticated little devices,they're not cheap.This converter in tandem with another converter is what is allowing me to stream video directly from the internet to my DVDR'S. There's no need for "free downloadable video editing software",or "programs",or "save as",or "authoring",or "encoding re-encoding",or "files",or anything else.No programs at all,just a straight shot from the internet to the HDD of my DVDR! I have more testing to do but,if things turn out the way i think(hope)they will,my need for a sat.subscription may not be as dire.From what i've seen so far,i think the integration of DVDR+internet is more compatible than cable>DVDR. I don't know yet.

So HDFury is going HDMI/HDCP to component. I'm sure that makes some people unhappy.

scott s.
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post #20597 of 25446
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

My guess is that the duplicator has changed the book-type of the DVD+R/+DL to "DVD-ROM". This has always been the preferred way to get around the compatibility issues with "+" media. Problem is that while PC burning software lets you specify book-type for "+" media, DVDR's do not. Your Panasonic is probably writing the "+" media as "normal" book-type which may be "normal" for Panasonic but not "normal" for funai. We all know that "+" media compatibility on Panasonic was a grudging after-thought.

A grudging afterthought is right. They didn't have it in the EH50, but did in the EH55 and later models, but never improved on the initial +R support.

jjeff, I have not tried duplicating a +R to +R and see of that copy will work. I'll d that.

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My understanding is that differences between –R, +R and RAM is just the file system structure and the finalization process. I believe that the actual MPEG-2 DVD-Video and audio is universal between all formats. Think of it as copying MPEG video between HDDs formatted as FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS – different file systems but the actual MPEG-2 file would be the same copyable between the HDDs with different file systems.

My guess is that some Panasonics don’t abide exactly by the +R/RW file system and some Funai decks have problems reading those Panasonic discs and when a PC or copier copies the disc into a different format - it formats to spec.

Super Eye, that is my guess too.

It's interesting that upon insertion in the 515, it does correctly identify the disks as +R, so whatever the duplicator is doing, it isn't messing with the basic structure. One other perhaps intersting note. Whenever I put a +R disk in my Panasonic, it says the format is incorrect, and asks for me to format it. The duplicator has no such function (format) so it just copies. When it's completed, I have a finalized disk. What is the Panasonic doing that it requests a format be done on all +R (and +R DL) disks?
post #20598 of 25446
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Did you try duplicating a +R disc you made on your Panasonic to either another +R disc or -R disc in your duplicator? It would be interesting to see if your duplicator could make a playable DVD out a unplayable one

Luke, did you ever try this to see if the copy would play in your Maggy?
post #20599 of 25446
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Luke, did you ever try this to see if the copy would play in your Maggy?

Not yet, as I said in my post just above. It's a good idea, and I'll give it a try tonight. I think the formatting thing has something to do with it. The duplicator does not do a format change on the original disk.
post #20600 of 25446
being a newbie, i have not figured out how to do a quick search for my question. Really appreciate if somebody can help.

I bought a refurb 513 from Amazon last week. Hooked it up with my OTA antenna, then HDMI output to my Sony Bravia and also coax cable for passthru. I quick went through the setup guide in this forum, very helpful.

I know the HDMI connection would be SD because basically 513 is a SD device for both display and recording. It is kind of dissappointing to see, at least in my case, the signal thourgh passthru is downgraded too. I know it is still HD by looking at the granular details/pixels, however, pictures from all the channels are grayish now. For places that should be pure black, it's gray now. The differences are reallly noticeable even to naked eye and I have to say I am not a picky guy, but this is really bothering me.

I tried to play with all the possible settings on my Sony incl. brightness, sharp, picture, color, hue, black correction, white balance etc, but none of the combination would give me same level of black that I used to get from OTA atenna directly to TV.

I know the OP said in signal through passthru are not downgraded in any way (should amplied, to be exatct). But how come my 513 is doing this to me!!

Is this a known isssue? Can somebody help?
post #20601 of 25446
Thread Starter 
d-hunter,

Some quick assumptions:
1. You're not running coax thru a surge suppressor (like on a power strip).
2. You've tried all four HDMI formats with the remote's "HDMI" button.
3. You've tried a diff. HDMI cable, esp. an older one if now using a newer one (older HDMI version, since I think the Mags are still V1.1?).
4. You've trried setting HDMI Fromat for YCbCr (RGB is default).
post #20602 of 25446
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

d-hunter,

Some quick assumptions:
1. You're not running coax thru a surge suppressor (like on a power strip).No, it is direct from OTA antenna to Mag DVR to my TV.
2. You've tried all four HDMI formats with the remote's "HDMI" button. By this you mean, 480P/720P/1080i/1080P? I think I have tried those, but I will try it again tonight and let you know if there is any difference.
3. You've tried a diff. HDMI cable, esp. an older one if now using a newer one (older HDMI version, since I think the Mags are still V1.1?). My HDMI should be 1.1, I bought a couple of years ago 2009?
4. You've trried setting HDMI Fromat for YCbCr (RGB is default).

No, I think RGB is recommended for HDMI. Again, I will try YcbCr today and let you know if any difference

I will also try to recalibrate my TV - it is just I do not have any of those professional discs to do it. Any idea where to get those for free/how I can do the recalilbration without spending money?
post #20603 of 25446
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Originally Posted by d-hunter View Post

No, I think RGB is recommended for HDMI. Again, I will try YcbCr today and let you know if any difference

I will also try to recalibrate my TV - it is just I do not have any of those professional discs to do it. Any idea where to get those for free/how I can do the recalilbration without spending money?

You haven't specified the model of your Sony. With XBR9 and older the settings are per input. With EX700 or newer you have a "common" setting that applies to all inputs set to "common". I would reset the picture settings to "factory". I know of no free calibration disks but some on eBay are limited and cheap. My standard change is "warm" and "eco off". The AVS thread on your model will have more information.

I set my 2160A and 515H to 1080, progressive=on, YCbCr. I use an HDMI cable from Monoprice.com and also run the rf output to the TV input. I only watch DTV. I find the PQ quite good when recording digital 480i content and then watching the playback. I have the rf connected to the TV for times when my cable HD is sick and I can still get the clear QAM.
post #20604 of 25446
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Originally Posted by d-hunter View Post

I bought a refurb 513 from Amazon last week. Hooked it up with my OTA antenna, then HDMI output to my Sony Bravia and also coax cable for passthru . . . It is kind of dissappointing to see, at least in my case, the signal thourgh passthru is downgraded too. I know it is still HD by looking at the granular details/pixels, however, pictures from all the channels are grayish now. For places that should be pure black, it's gray now. The differences are reallly noticeable even to naked eye and I have to say I am not a picky guy, but this is really bothering me.

I tried to play with all the possible settings on my Sony . . . but none of the combination would give me same level of black that I used to get from OTA atenna directly to TV.

Go buy a coax splitter and dump the passthrough through the DVDR. Split the antenna feed and give the Sony its own direct line to the antenna. See if that makes the difference. If it does it may be a defect in your refurb.
post #20605 of 25446
It's difficult to see how a problem with the 8-VSB modulated RF signal can cause a consistent change in the luminance. That seems like a decoder issue?

scott s.
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post #20606 of 25446
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You haven't specified the model of your Sony. With XBR9 and older the settings are per input. With EX700 or newer you have a "common" setting that applies to all inputs set to "common". I would reset the picture settings to "factory". I know of no free calibration disks but some on eBay are limited and cheap. My standard change is "warm" and "eco off". The AVS thread on your model will have more information.

I set my 2160A and 515H to 1080, progressive=on, YCbCr. I use an HDMI cable from Monoprice.com and also run the rf output to the TV input. I only watch DTV. I find the PQ quite good when recording digital 480i content and then watching the playback. I have the rf connected to the TV for times when my cable HD is sick and I can still get the clear QAM.

Thanks, Joe, I think settings apply to all inputs for my Sony. Not sure of its exact model number though.

As for the HDMI output's setting on my 513, I remember reading somewhere in this forum to set it @480P and RGB and the progressive setting only matters for component output (not for HDMI). But I will try your settings to see whether it makes any differences for me.
post #20607 of 25446
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Originally Posted by d-hunter View Post

Any idea where to get those for free/how I can do the recalilbration without spending money?

Select Pixar/Disney DVDs have included on the DVD a copy of THX Optimizer which lets you do basic calibration(brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, and tint). I've used my Monsters Inc. DVD to calibrate all my TVs and it really makes a difference. Note you may never be able to get the black levels right when recording from the Maggies built in tuner, I know I was not able to my satisfaction and if you search this thread you'll see a few others.
post #20608 of 25446
Thread Starter 


Amazon seller eComElectronics has a batch of 513 refurbs for $209.99

I know nothing about this seller or their warranty. YMMV.

post #20609 of 25446
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

No DTS with these Mags, sorry.

Any way to pass it through to my receiver?
post #20610 of 25446
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ace5000 View Post

Any way to pass it through to my receiver?

I would think DTS would pass thru the coax, just not thru an internal path and line output?

You could test it thru a line output w/no recording involved to be sure?
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