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Hey... We voted to have our channel line-up like that. We figured this would help dissuade all those Canadian "Snow Birds" from wanting to come down here to Minnesota because we have such wonderful winters (and further south is too much of a climate change) Ya You Betcha Sure!!. biggrin.gif
George

That's great George. But I though Florida had a trademark on "Snow Birds".
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An update to the 727 firmware has been released for the 2160A/513...

06-09-2012
727.01
Version 02C (for FREEZE solution) is added to 727.



The 515's firmware has been updated too... BUT...

The 515 firmware zip seems to contain the same firmware as the 2160A/513 zips, not the 515's firmware, so do not install it until FUNAI corrects the download.

Maybe 234 can get FUNAI to make the switch...?

http://funaiport.com/download/filelist_magnavox.php?model=H2160MW9

http://funaiport.com/download/filelist_magnavox.php?model=MDR513H

http://funaiport.com/download/filelist_magnavox.php?model=MDR515H
post #20733 of 25445
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Originally Posted by Bizarro_Stormy View Post

An update to the 727 firmware has been released for the 2160A/513...
06-09-2012
727.01
Version 02C (for FREEZE solution) is added to 727.

Would this be for those who use analog channels?
post #20734 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I *think* there are TVs that can switch to whatever format is native to the signal it receives. If yours is not one of those, I don't know of anything else you can do but switch the TV setting yourself based on content.

Your Mag will send 4:3 content as 4:3 no matter what its TV Aspect setting is.

I can't find a setting on the TV--it's an LG TV if that helps.
post #20735 of 25445
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra

Would this be for those who use analog channels?

Great question...

Wish I knew... eek.gif

I haven't installed it yet...
post #20736 of 25445
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post


I can't find a setting on the TV--it's an LG TV if that helps.

I don't know much, if anything, about this except from reading posts... I think it's called "native" or something like that.

 

Someone with real knowledge help, please!

post #20737 of 25445
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post

I can't find a setting on the TV--it's an LG TV if that helps.

The xxLM7600: under video I would set it to "Set By Program" and "Just Scan".

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55LM7600-led-tv
post #20738 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I set my Mags for 16:9 Wide, HDMI format at 480p, and watch everything in Wide setting on my TV. WS stuff looks gorgeous but 4:3 stuff gets stretched slightly.

At least all my 16:9 WS programs record as WS. If I really want to see 4:3 stuff in natural 4:3, I change my TV setting (once in a blue moon and just for another stupid test). smile.gif
My Vizio has a button dedicated to aspect ratio, which I use many times most days. I don't watch anything at the wrong aspect on my Vizio. OTOH, I set all 5 of my Funais to 480 and 16:9, even those connected only to 4:3 TV sets. I have zero tolerance for recordings I've saved to HD or DVD to not be able to be displayed in correct format on a 16:9 screen without letterboxing or pillarboxing that wasn't a part of the program source, such as is common on superwide aspect movies on TCM and commercial DVDs.
post #20739 of 25445
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The xxLM7600: under video I would set it to "Set By Program" and "Just Scan".
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55LM7600-led-tv

That's my TV. The "Set by program" works ok with scanning live tv, but when I go to the Mag, 4:3 programs look good, but 16:9 are vertically stretched. That's why I thought it was the Mag's fault.

Oh, and it might be more tolerable to change aspect ratios if the remote had a button to do that instantly, but the TV only came with a "magic remote" which is not easy to change aspect with.
post #20740 of 25445
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post

it might be more tolerable to change aspect ratios if the remote had a button to do that instantly, but the TV only came with a "magic remote" which is not easy to change aspect with.
My Vizio's OEM remote didn't either, but before I bought it I found out it had an optional remote available that did, so I got them both, then put the aspect button and other important buttons into my programmable remote. If you have a programmable like a Harmony or similar it's possible it would have that button for your TV even if there is no OEM or optional remote button advertised for the purpose.
post #20741 of 25445
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

My Vizio's OEM remote didn't either, but before I bought it I found out it had an optional remote available that did, so I got them both, then put the aspect button and other important buttons into my programmable remote. If you have a programmable like a Harmony or similar it's possible it would have that button for your TV even if there is no OEM or optional remote button advertised for the purpose.

I don't have another programmable remote unfortunately. I wonder if there's a standard remote available for the LG instead of the "magic remote". Don't know how to find it though.

Anyone think the "Set by Program" setting will work differently once I use an HDMI connection instead of the current composite connection which stretches all 16:9 programs vertically right now?
post #20742 of 25445
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Would this be for those who use analog channels?

I'm guessing this firmware is the release version of the beta that some here were testing.

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Originally Posted by Jerrymc777 View Post

I'm currently testing a beta FW that addresses this issue. I loaded it on my 515 yesterday.
So far I cannot even force it to lock up while powering up in analog mode or programming an analog channel timed event.
I am very happy!
This addresses the cable co rf direct input. No STB.
Hang tight!
According to 234, if all goes well, this will be an official Funai FW release.
Much appreciated to 234 & the awesome Funai engineers!
post #20743 of 25445
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post

If I set the HDMI mode to 480 with the TV setting at 16:9, will 4:3 programs look normal with the pillar boxes, and 16:9 look normal as well? Sorry to keep asking, but I don't have HDMI connections yet, just composite until I get the HDMI cables in the mail. I just wanted to know if it's possible to get both aspect ratios to play correctly without having to see either one stretched.
The remote on the Magnavox has an HDMI button with which you can quickly change its HDMI output resolution. I switch it to 480p when I want to view 4:3 programs and to 1080p (720p and 1080i also work) when I want to view 16:9 programs. The Magnavox will horizontally stretch 4:3 programs if I use HDMI settings other than 480p. Your TV's settings also come into play though, so YMMV; but that works for me on Samsung and Sony TVs.
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Originally Posted by Bizarro_Stormy View Post

An update to the 727 firmware has been released for the 2160A/513...

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Originally Posted by Kansas_Tom View Post

I'm guessing this firmware is the release version of the beta that some here were testing.

Yes, these firmwares incorporate the Ver02C.dtv into the update. For those of you not aware, some of us had a nasty freezing syndrome when our machines were powered up tuned to a analog channel. This was only an issue on certain cable providers.

As Bizarro_Stormy said, it appears these updates have the "HD6A269727H1E" firmware combined with them, so you probably don't want to put that on a 515 or any other machine that you have already installed the Super 727V firmware on.
The zipped file "combined" once unzipped reveals there are two files in it. You can then select only the Ver02C.dtv file alone if you wanted to. If you are not having any freeze issues, I'm not sure this would help you in any other way, so like wajo has said before, "if it ain't broke...."
post #20745 of 25445
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Originally Posted by Nocturnal View Post

The remote on the Magnavox has an HDMI button with which you can quickly change its HDMI output resolution. I switch it to 480p when I want to view 4:3 programs and to 1080p (720p and 1080i also work) when I want to view 16:9 programs. The Magnavox will horizontally stretch 4:3 programs if I use HDMI settings other than 480p. Your TV's settings also come into play though, so YMMV; but that works for me on Samsung and Sony TVs.

Thanks for the tip, Nocturnal. I'll have to give it a try when I get the HDMI cables.
post #20746 of 25445
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post

I just found out that I can not record some HBO programs onto my 2160A.
I normally copy movies from my HBO programs onto my Direct TV DVR and then watch it later. One time I wanted to copy the HBO movie from my DVR onto the 2160A and a message appeared stating that
Your TV does not support this program's content protection, replacing the TV's HDMI cable with component cables will allow you to view the program.
Does anyone know any way to get around this aside from changing HDMI cable to component cable which I don't really want to do due to the quality of the video.

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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

You could probably just unplug the HDMI cable at the DVR box before transferring your programs to the 2160A, then reconnect it when you are finished.
If disconnecting and reconnecting the HDMI cable is inconvenient, give component video a try. Many HD set top boxes will output HD up to 1080i over the Red/Green/Blue component video outputs. You probably wouldn't notice any loss in video quality.

The DBS forum is FILLED, and I mean many threads, about this problem. It is not going to go away, it is going to get worse. It has to do with conent protection and HDMI handshaking. I use the same process you describe to record many shows/movies form HBO and other premium channels. I too had this issue, and I solved it by sticking one of each of these these in line. Yes, it's a two way splitter, and I'm only using one output, but it is HDCP compliant, and it solved the problem. DirecTV is phasing in the HDCP requirement on all the premium channels, and there is at least some speculation that it will eventually be on all of their content. Currently, if yo go from digital HD to analog HD, the problem will disappear, hence the message telling you to use component cables (analog HD). It is also speculated that eventually all analog outputs, including component, will be lilmited to SD resolution.

Yes, unplugging the HDMI cable will of course work since the receiver won't be reauesting a handshake if no cable is connected, but I am not at all happy with that solution.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011306&p_id=8154&seq=1&format=2

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3872&seq=1&format=2
post #20747 of 25445
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Originally Posted by avsusername View Post

I can't find a setting on the TV--it's an LG TV if that helps.

hi folks...

for reference, here's my implementation...

first, the only HD thing i have is my TV, itself... and i have expanded basic cable + OTA service... sooooooo, the only real HD stuff i get is broadcast based...

my cable provider DOES pass the broadcast HD channels digitally, so i can receive the broadcast stuff HD, regardless of source ( cable or OTA )...

the balance of my cable service is delivered in standard def, either digital in the clear, or analog...

my Mag is configured for plain old 480 standard, since that's all it can deliver, anyway, and any upconversion performed is done better with my television than with the Mag...

while i DO have an HDMI connection between the Mag and the TV, I also have a composite connection, and I find little difference in PQ again, because all the Mag can do is deliver standard def, or hi def via upconversion...

now, my TV is a Mits LT-46249. it has a bunch of whiz-bang aspect adjustments ( along with some firmware bugs that drive me nuts ) . it also has a bunch of whiz-bang PQ adjustments, including ISF customizations and all that... i don't use the super PQ stuff, because PQ varies so wildly, even with different content on the same channels, that it becomes useless to chase it everytime a new show pops on... so i just use the lesser ( though nicely and easily adjustable ) settings and fiddle with those when needed.

ok, so on aspect ratio, here's what my tv offers for each type of signal...

1 - HD Signal - TV offers

standard - plain old full HD with correct aspect ratio.
wide expand - stretches the aspect horizontally, while stretching vertical a skosh, aspect not correct - i never use this one.
zoom - just enlarges picture, which cuts off a perimeter section, but aspect remains correct.
full native - only available when receiving a 1080p signal, and you get everything that's delivered, with correct aspect ratio.

2 - SD Signal - TV offers

narrow - equivalent to most others' 4:3 setting. delivers regular 4:3 with correct aspect, unless the provider delivers a horizontally squashed signal, in which case, people look like ' the thin man ' ...

standard - stretches a 4:3 delivered signal horizontally ( bad aspect - people look FAT )... this is only good if provider is delivering a ' horizontally squashed ' signal, in which case, stretch still happens, but aspect becomes correct...

expand - this is the most pleasing setting for 16:9 content delivered inside a 4:3 carrier ( top and bottom black bars ). this setting gets rid of the black bars and fills the 16:9 screen, while maintaining correct aspect ratio ( a skosh of edge content is lost, but only a skosh )...

zoom - this one jut zooms the entire 4:3 frame, cutting off some top and bottom, and making horizontal stuff fill more of the 16:9 screen. aspect remains good, but i don't care for this since it cuts off quite a bit of top and bottom stuff on a full 4:3 signal.

stretch - this one is special, and probably unique to my Mits. this setting is similar to the ' standard ' setting above, but only stretches the left and right sides to fill the 16:9 screen, while performing only a ' very slight ' stretch in the center 1/3 of the screen. this works most nicely for full 4:3 content where you don't want the nuisance of FAT looking people, at least in the center portion of the screen...

stretch plus - this is an extension of ' stretch ' mode, where the vertical plane is stretched slightly, eliminating the aspect error in the center of the screen altogether, and giving an adjustment option to move the entire picture slightly up or down as desired... i don't use this very much...

BOTTOM LINE ( sorry for long and drawn out )... for me, i keep the Mag at 480 ( 4:3 ) .... so all content is delivered in a 4:3 frame.... with SD 4:3, i just live with the TV's stretch mode... with SD 16:9 in a 4:3 package, i use the TV's expand mode, which fills the 16:9 screen with the content and maintains proper aspect ratio...

the LG TV does not have the same stuff, but does have some things that are close.... and they need to be fiddled with as desired, for each type of content delivered. the ' set by picture ' pseudo automatic mode i do not like ( i have an LG in a bedroom that does not get frequent use ) . other settings DO work with the composite outputs ( from he mag ) to provide pretty reasonable content filling the screen with correct aspect ratio. i have honestly not gone through the manual on the LG to gain full understanding of the adjustments, but with the mag on 4:3 output, i can usually get results that are pleasing enough while maintaining correct aspectratio.

rgds,
ron g
post #20748 of 25445
It sounds like most people don't mind watching 4:3 content stretched to fit the TV screen. I just want a simple "keep the aspect ratio no matter what" without having to keep going back and forth. smile.gif
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It sounds like most people don't mind watching 4:3 content stretched to fit the TV screen. I just want a simple "keep the aspect ratio no matter what" without having to keep going back and forth. smile.gif
If your content provider supports that, it should be possible. Problems happen when there is a digital conversion or HDD storage issue. You are in the minority but I understand your point of view. Most people hate a black bar anywhere on the screen of a 16:9 TV. I can live with slightly fat people since 1) my eyes are old and 2) they aren't that fat.

I'm lucky that my TV provides a graphical representation using circles to show what happens with each selection of the "wide" button.

For many years there has been that "program modified to fit the screen, etc." message before movies. It's in their blood I guess.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If your content provider supports that, it should be possible. Problems happen when there is a digital conversion or HDD storage issue. You are in the minority but I understand your point of view. Most people hate a black bar anywhere on the screen of a 16:9 TV. I can live with slightly fat people since 1) my eyes are old and 2) they aren't that fat.
I'm lucky that my TV provides a graphical representation using circles to show what happens with each selection of the "wide" button.
For many years there has been that "program modified to fit the screen, etc." message before movies. It's in their blood I guess.

I just have OTA TV reception and I watch old movies and TV shows that are in 4:3, so I watch a mixture of aspects. I'm used to my old 4:3 TV that letterboxed ws programs to keep proper aspects and filled the screen for 4:3 content obviously, therefore keeping proper aspect ratio for both.
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I just have OTA TV reception and I watch old movies and TV shows that are in 4:3, so I watch a mixture of aspects. I'm used to my old 4:3 TV that letterboxed ws programs to keep proper aspects and filled the screen for 4:3 content obviously, therefore keeping proper aspect ratio for both.

I think we are drifting here, but historically the 4:3 ratio was last used in silent films. Once 70mm came out movies changed. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_ratio

If you bought GWTW from Amazon today it would be 1.33:1, and no math makes that 4:3 or 16:9. TV shows were made in 4:3 and cropped on all sides by the good old analog TV just a little. With your new TV you may see a noisy line at the edge of some shows. Those shows are 4:3 analog content being displayed on an HD channel. It may happen when the TV is set to "Just Scan" or "Full Pixel". When an HD or SD movie is recorded by the Mag, it will always be stored in 480i and you have the option of sending it out that way. I like the PQ of the 1080p output better. Everybody is different.
post #20752 of 25445
As long as I'm seeing practically the whole image and it's not artificially stretched, I'm happy.
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

eek.gif
Premature Rejectulation?
Oh, woe are we!............
even tho there's another round coming later this year

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

you never know... we will see what we will see when we see it!

Don't mean to go off half-cocked here but, remember Wajo, teasing is a terrible thing for premature rejectulation!

(Or so I've been told. No personal knowledge, of course).

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eek.gif
Premature Rejectulation?
Oh, woe are we!
We're down from ~2200 views per day to under 1000 now.
People giving up even tho there's another round coming later this year?
eek.gif

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Don't mean to go off half-cocked here but, remember Wajo, teasing is a terrible thing for premature rejectulation!
(Or so I've been told. No personal knowledge, of course).
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ROFLMAO! biggrin.gif

post #20755 of 25445
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Your link is not specific. I have my 515H set for DD and it feeds a Yamaha AVR. I enable all the DSP since the output from HDD stored content is only 2.0 but can be processed. Only a DVD can send 5.1. It's the same audio with HDMI or the digital coax. The audio level is a little higher than other devices, but you may find it normal. I don't playback anything but recorded TV content. You should try PCM to see if it sounds better to you.

Thanks for this explanation Joe.

I now have a similar setup here: 515 > new Yammy 1010A , now using HDMI. The audio is better now with the 1010A's superior sound processing and beeellions of sound field options. Especially considering I'm feeding the Maggie with the most basic Comcast freebie DTA.

And speaking of DVD's, I've found the Maggie to be a great basic DVD player. It's relatively simple disc menu is a breeze, compared to my dedicated and more complex DVD players. The video quality is excellent, considering it's only Standard Def. The Yamaha upconverts to 1080p nicely when feeding it through HDMI, so that setting my Panny 65VT30 to "Full" (as though the signal were HiDef) gives the maximum size picture possible for the movie's format, with zero to almost no distortion of the image. It ain't Blu-ray, but it's darn good. What a steal these 515's are......er, were.

You're right about the higher gain from the Maggie too. The DTA has always had lower audio level than all the other inputs. Now, with the Maggie feeding through HDMI it's the same level as the other inputs. 5.1 DVD audio from the Maggie is as good as or better than any I've gotten from any other player.
Edited by BuTal63 - 6/14/12 at 2:16pm
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Thanks for this explanation Joe.
I now have a similar setup here: 515 > new Yammy 1010A , now using HDMI. The audio is better now with the 1010A's superior sound processing and beeellions of sound field options. Especially considering I'm feeding the Maggie with the most basic Comcast freebie DTA.
And speaking of DVD's, I've found the Maggie to be a great basic DVD player. It's relatively simple disc menu is a breeze, compared to my dedicated and more complex DVD players. The video quality is excellent, considering it's only Standard Def. The Yamaha upconverts to 1080p nicely when feeding it through HDMI, so that setting my Panny 65VT30 to "Full" (as though the signal were HiDef) gives the maximum size picture possible for the movie's format, with zero to almost no distortion of the image. It ain't Blu-ray, but it's darn good. What a steal these 515's are......er, were.
You're right about the higher gain from the Maggie too. The DTA has always had lower audio level than all the other inputs. Now, with the Maggie feeding through HDMI it's the same level as the other inputs. 5.1 DVD audio from the Maggie is as good as or better than any I've gotten from any other player.

I agree with your observations. I use a Sony BDP-S570 Blu-ray. If you really want the best audio, it's so much better from a Blu-ray or SACD. Digital video is hard to mess up. My cable feed has all but premium channels in clear QAM. There is a difference between 480i and 1080i, but not too much. Have fun.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you bought GWTW from Amazon today it would be 1.33:1, and no math makes that 4:3 or 16:9.

Actually, 1.33:1 is 4:3 (unless you're a stickler for rounding).
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Actually, 1.33:1 is 4:3 (unless you're a stickler for rounding).

Only when money is involved.
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wajo, it is time to...

Should I go get the popcorn?
Is this gonna be a thriller? eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
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