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post #2131 of 25445
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Originally Posted by subeluvr View Post

Is there a button on the Magnavox 2160 remote that jumps from the channel you're watching back to the previous channel you were watching?

That button exists on the Philips 3576 remote but I can't seem to find it on the Maggie remote.

I just went through the PDF version of the manual where the remote buttons are diagrammed and identified and - Nope, it doesn't have a button to jump back to the previous channel. I have the H2160 but hadn't needed it so apparently didn't notice it before.
post #2132 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

This might be important info as far as tuning digital channels with the 3575/3576/2160... altho in a roundabout way since this relates specifically to tuning digital channels on my newest LCD TV.

Background

For awhile now, I've had two Vizio LCDs, a 47" 1080p and a 37" 720p (768p), both with 3575's attached.

My cable run to those 2 TVs was ~50 feet, with a cableco amplifier in the middle of two 25' RG59 coax cables from a 3-way splitter at the cable drop into basement.

All TVs and 3575's tuned 10-15 digital channels, including 60.1, 60.2 and 60.3, with no problem for more than a year. (Note: these 3575's also slightly amplified the cable signal to their attached TVs via coax passthru.)

New TV Added

Got a new (3rd) Vizio 32" 720p (768p) LCD and set it up on a separate coax from my basement, but with no 3575 attached for passthru amplification.

Scanned for channels and the TV tuned everything EXCEPT the digital 60 group.

Tried many more scans, with no success in tuning the digital 60 group.

1st Test - Connected a 3575 to the New TV for Signal Amp.

I connected a 3575 to the new TV, scanned for channels, and again no luck with digital 60 group.

2nd Test - Moved Cableco Amp

Trying to decide if maybe new LCD was "defective" but had an epiphany that it was the ONLY component NOT connected to the cableco amplifier on my incoming cable TV coax [basic (analog) cable]. This TV was connected directly to the 3-way splitter at the cable drop via a 25' RG59 coax… i.e., no cableco amp on that coax.

Switched position of amplifier to 1st on the incoming coax so ALL components received the cableco amp's signal.

ON 1ST SCAN, WITHOUT A 3575 IN LINE, NEW TV TUNED ALL DIGITAL CHANNELS AS OTHERS, INCL. THE DIGITAL 60 GROUP.

Conclusion?

My conclusion so far is that the 3575's coax passthru amplification wasn't enough to beef up the signal for that channel group, but the cableco's much stronger amp DID.

I'm thinking my 3rd TV suffered the "Cliff Effect" I've been reading about, which is a complete loss of digital signal at the ends of its ideal signal strength… too low a signal or too high a signal can make digital channels just "fall off the cliff" (disappear), as opposed to analog channels that get snowy or whatever at the ends of their signal strength... sort of a built-in warning of possible signal strength issues?

Moral of This Story

If you suffer loss of digital tuning, try "rearranging" splitters and amps cuz you may need to either INCREASE or DECREASE your incoming signal strength, even if your signal loss applies to only certain digital channel group(s).

You may need to add a good amp OR a good attenuator to get the ideal signal strength for digital tuning WITH OR WITHOUT A 3575/3576/2160, as my experience with a new TV suggests.

An easy test for too-strong a digital signal is the "hang-by-a-thread" test... unscrew incoming coax so it's hanging on by a thread and make sure center wire is no longer firmly seated. This can attenuate the signal just enough to see if signal might be too strong.

This may or may not help someone else in a similar, "odd" situation such as I ran into!?

Thanks for the additional tips, wajo.

My 3575 has never gotten the digital channels over the Comcast basic cable, but it will tune in all of the locals via the ol' wabbit ears!

When I got the H2160 in September, it picked up all the analog AND digital channels directly from the cable during the initial scan. I thought: Wow! Finally! I can record the network programs from the digital channels.

It wasn't to be because the next morning when I arrived home from work and checked the HDD title list on the H2160 and it was still blank. The error code, as I mentioned in an earlier post appeared to indicate that there was a program overlap, but that was not possible because I had only programmed ONE show [on WUSA-HD-DT 9.1, Washington, DC] just to test the digital recording. So, I backed out of the title screen and saw that the digital channels were gone. The analogs were all still there.

The 3575/2160 will tune (and KEEP) the digital channels fine and dandy with an antenna, but not with the cable. The Panny TC-32LX60 TV tunes in all the analog AND digital channels from the same [basic] cable feed downstream of a Radio Shack amp. By the way, my cable run is VERY short and I'm using the booster because otherwise the higher frequency channels on my wife's VCRs start fading out.

Wait! I may have answered my own query just now. Do you think it would help to put the dynamic duo farther downstream where the wife's VCRs are now to create an even weaker signal? My cable is split 9 ways altogether: 1 Cable modem, 4x VCR/DVD combos, 1 single-disc DVD recorder/VCR combo, 2x HDD recorders and the TV.

So far I've tried: turning down the amp by various degrees; bypassing the amp; and your recommended "hang by a thread" technique and I still have nada as far as recordable digital channels. Since the Panny is keeping them fine, I'm kinda lost now.

To summarize, neither the Philips nor the Magnavox will tune in the digital tier of stations from my cable, though the H2160 did on initial setup. Both of them work via antenna. The scan simply stops at the end of the analog channels and displays "1.1". I don't understand the difference between initial and subsequent scans when no changes were made in the interim.
post #2133 of 25445
My first 3576 managed to tune all the QAM digital channels on my Comcast cable after the initial scan, but soon lost them. My second 3576 tunes and keeps all the QAM channels from cable, but suffers from "imaginary copy protection syndrome", which prevents the dubbing of some shows on some networks.

You really have the cable split 9 TIMES!!! Yikes that's a major loss in signal strength.

If I were you, I'd test the 3575 and 2160 by connecting each directly to the cable input without any other device connected, Connect the TV to the output of the recorder so that you can see the scan, etc. Do this without the RS amplifier, which does not have a good reputation. See if the recorders can scan amd retain the QAM digital channels. If they can, it suggests that your multiple splits are dropping the signal strength too low. If they still can't retain the QAM channels, I'd say they were defective.

By the way, if you want to split the signal so many times, I'd suggest an 8-port drop amp instead of that crappy RS amp. The Electroline drop amp is highly regarded, and you can get the 8-port version (EDA2800, I believe) on eBay for $75. IIRC it has a 4 db forward gain, meaning that each port will have 4 db more signal than the input. I have the single-port version (15 db forward gain) and it works great.
post #2134 of 25445
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Originally Posted by stump69 View Post

Wait! I may have answered my own query just now. Do you think it would help to put the dynamic duo farther downstream where the wife's VCRs are now to create an even weaker signal? My cable is split 9 ways altogether: 1 Cable modem, 4x VCR/DVD combos, 1 single-disc DVD recorder/VCR combo, 2x HDD recorders and the TV.

Your answer might be in this... your mention of "downstream" and signal "split 9 ways" is confusing cuz, if each component is getting a direct signal feed thru the splitter(s), and they're separately connected to the TV, there's no "downstream."

However, downstream suggests you might have the HDD-DVDRs running their output signal THRU the VCRs, which to me is problematic.

As rgazzara suggested, you can test this problem by connecting both HDD-DVDRs directly and SEPARATELY (one at a time) to the incoming cable TV coax... no amps, splitters, etc.... and then on to your TV and see how a channel scan works then... a good starting point.
post #2135 of 25445
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Originally Posted by stump69 View Post

I just went through the PDF version of the manual where the remote buttons are diagrammed and identified and - Nope, it doesn't have a button to jump back to the previous channel. I have the H2160 but hadn't needed it so apparently didn't notice it before.

I read the manual too and that's why I asked... I didn't see that feature, but thanks for the reply.

According to Funai tech support, the 2160 does not have that feature and they do agree it is a common feature that their other products (like the Philips 3576) and most TVs for the last 10 years do have.

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post #2136 of 25445
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Originally Posted by tbell View Post

OK..I think I got it..Cable connection direct into the Philips DVDR which needs coax connection to GO VIDEO Home theatre...but one more question...the coax connection from the DVD-R to GO VIDEO system...what cable to use? FIber optic digital cable? for better sound? Very confusing to know which cables to use between each item....
Thank you again...

ANy info??
post #2137 of 25445
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbell View Post

OK..I think I got it..Cable connection direct into the Philips DVDR which needs coax connection to GO VIDEO Home theatre...but one more question...the coax connection from the DVD-R to GO VIDEO system...what cable to use? FIber optic digital cable? for better sound? Very confusing to know which cables to use between each item....
Thank you again...

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Originally Posted by tbell View Post

ANy info??

You say you've got a coax conn. from DVDR to GO VIDEO HT, then ask about the same connection?... might be confusing?

If you're asking what kind of AUDIO connection for DD5.1 from DVDs, I use digital coax, but optical or even RCA are OK.

If you're asking what kind of VIDEO connection from GO VIDEO to TV, use coax for straight signal passthru, then match the DVDR>TV connection to whatever you use from any of the four possible video/audio outputs from the DVDR... HDMI being *best* in most systems.

EDIT: I checked Amazon on a GO VIDEO DHT 7000 and it shows only a Composite input, no S-Video, Component or HDMI!? If true, makes choice easy!
post #2138 of 25445
Just bought a last-on-the-shelf demo 3575 as a backup unit, real cheap, and setup has been driving me nuts. First it would not retain the digital channels (from our analog/digital Charter cable feed), and now it won't find them at all on a scan. Updated to latest firmware--no joy. We have two other 3575s, both of which work fine on digital channels, but this one is resisting all the tricks and variations posted here (direct connect to cable; connect through powered 1->4 splitter; remove cable before it hits the channel 117 lockup). The problem seems to have been progressive: first it would find the channels and lose them after a power-down, then after a change to analog; then it would lose one or two but keep the others; and now it refuses to find any digital channels at all. This unit may need to go back or to get a warranty repair. Any advice?
post #2139 of 25445
Thread Starter 
It appears the only thing you haven't tried yet is to attenuate the incoming signal.

A simple attenuation test is to connect directly to the incoming coax, no amps, etc., and directly to your TV, then unscrew the incoming coax on the 3575 until it's hanging by a thread. Pull center wire out to make sure it's no longer fully seated.

Do a channel scan and see what happens.

(This test will check the amplification circuit in that specific 3575 to see if it might be "overdriving" the signal (compared to your other working 3575's).

If that doesn't do anything to help, then I think that unit might have a defective digital tuner?
post #2140 of 25445
Hi
I am new here and have been reading posts. Sorry if this is not the right area- Help please.

I am looking to buy a 20"CRT -
Digital TV and would like to buy either the Magnavox/Phillips or the Toshiba DVD Recorder. With any of these-- & I am leaning towards Toshiba because I do not record that much & it is less money.

My question- like the ole vcr- in order to turn on recording- I turn OFF the vcr and on the Remote- switch to TV and channel surf.

How and will I be able to do this with the remote control? I understand you don't need to turn off the DVD to start recording- I think? So, if there is not "button" on the DVD remotes- How do I get to the tv while recording? Thank you and any help is appreciated- I need to switch over fast
post #2141 of 25445
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by digital103 View Post

Hi
I am new here and have been reading posts. Sorry if this is not the right area- Help please.

I am looking to buy a 20"CRT -
Digital TV and would like to buy either the Magnavox/Phillips or the Toshiba DVD Recorder. With any of these-- & I am leaning towards Toshiba because I do not record that much & it is less money.

My question- like the ole vcr- in order to turn on recording- I turn OFF the vcr and on the Remote- switch to TV and channel surf.

How and will I be able to do this with the remote control? I understand you don't need to turn off the DVD to start recording- I think? So, if there is not "button" on the DVD remotes- How do I get to the tv while recording? Thank you and any help is appreciated- I need to switch over fast

Unlike a VCR, DVDRs don't send any internal signal via their coax output (menus, channels, HDD or DVD titles)... those internal things are sent to teh TV viz a line output (Composite Y/W/R, S-Video, Component or HDMI).

So, while watching your TV via the coax passthru, youy can record something thru the DVDR tuner or a line input... no buttons involved to see either source except selecting a line input on the TV for seeing/playing something on the DVDR.
post #2142 of 25445
Thank you very much- I spoke with so many techs- downloadd manuals and only 1 tech gave me this answer.. I feel more confident here. Thanks again-
( again- I'm not sure if I'm "replying" properly" with quick post or what..

I guess- I need to ask- How is that Toshiba DVD recorder? It has digital- only 2 reviews at ABT- does anyone know if this is the better option cost and quality? I ask because I would like to purchase both from ABT and have them do the installation. Thanks again
post #2143 of 25445
Tried the barely-connected technique and got all the channels to register--and then they all vanished when I cycled the power. This is nuts--I can't figure out which part of the tuner is flakey (memory? some signal-strength-sensitive component?), especially since the other two units (built about a year apart) both manage to work fairly reliably. Fortunately, the blowout price was low enough that even with the cost of sending it to the Arkansas repair facility, it's still a bargain. If I can get the bugger to function.
post #2144 of 25445
Thread Starter 
And you left the coax on a thread thru the power cycle?
post #2145 of 25445
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Originally Posted by subeluvr View Post

I read the manual too and that's why I asked... I didn't see that feature, but thanks for the reply.

According to Funai tech support, the 2160 does not have that feature and they do agree it is a common feature that their other products (like the Philips 3576) and most TVs for the last 10 years do have.

The beauty of off-shore design

After reading this yesterday, I spent the day poring over the remote and the manual for the 3576, and for the life of me I can't find the return to previous channel key on the keypad or in the manual. Where is it?
post #2146 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Your answer might be in this... your mention of "downstream" and signal "split 9 ways" is confusing cuz, if each component is getting a direct signal feed thru the splitter(s), and they're separately connected to the TV, there's no "downstream."

However, downstream suggests you might have the HDD-DVDRs running their output signal THRU the VCRs, which to me is problematic.

As rgazzara suggested, you can test this problem by connecting both HDD-DVDRs directly and SEPARATELY (one at a time) to the incoming cable TV coax... no amps, splitters, etc.... and then on to your TV and see how a channel scan works then... a good starting point.

I should have said that I have 9 devices through several split points. First of all, when I first hooked up the cable modem - first in line from the wall - my wife reported that her VCRs had gotten "fuzzy" on the higher frequency channels including 'Lifetime' at channel 65, and if I didn't do something about that, the cable modem would have to go. Yikes! So, I inquired at RS and was directed to their inline amp which I placed first in line. This resulted in a subsequent call to the cable company because the modem kept dropping out, requiring a remote reset from the cable office. Finally a rep came out and was able to determine that the signal was too strong and he added a splitter BEFORE the cable modem, with the one line going to the modem pre-amp and the other going into the amp to feed the A/V equipment. This was prior to having the DVDRs.
At that time, I had two 4-way splitters (hereafter splitter A and B) thus:

SPLITTER A
INPUT: From amp
OUT1: To TV - Panasonic TC32LX60 with analog/digital/QAM tuners
OUT2: To Philips single-disc recorder - analog tuner
OUT3: To Lite-on LVC-9006 DVD recorder/VCR - analog tuner
OUT4: To splitter B (4-way)

SPLITTER B
INPUT: From splitter A (above)
OUT1: To VCR/DVD player 1 - wife's
OUT2: To VCR/DVD player 2 - wife's
OUT3: To VCR/DVD player 3 - daughter's
OUT4: Vacant (capped)

The above WAS the configuration until August 2007 and everything worked fine and dandy. Then I acquired my DVDR3575H in August 2007. I then gave away the Philips single-disc out of frustration and placed the 3575 on splitter A, OUT2, where it worked fine in analog or digital antenna mode, but never would lock in any digital channels from the basic cable.

After joining this forum this year and discovering that the Magnavox 2160 would "play nice" with the Philips in the same room, I jumped at it, and added a simple 2-way splitter BEFORE the 3575. This 2-way feeds only the dynamic duo.

I was excited during initial setup to find the 2160 tuned in all the digital channels, and so I set up ONE program to record as a test that night. Arriving home from work the next morning, I found that it had not recorded and had indeed dropped all the channels. I've never been successful at tuning them in again. Both machines tune in the digital channels OTA via antenna.

I've since tried the "hang by a thread" test and I had either a fantastic signal or nothing at all. Yesterday, I tried your suggestion to go directly into the 3575 and 2160 one at a time before splitter/amp, and still have the same problem. Right now they are both connected through a single splitter BEFORE the amplifier.

I'm guessing here, but it looks like I may need an attenuator to weaken the signal for the DVDRs. I will look that up to see where I can get one locally, perhaps RS? Just in case it's relevant, all the above equipment is less than 3 feet from the cable wall outlet.
post #2147 of 25445
Thread Starter 
Stump, thanks for the detailed post and info. You've got lots of components and special "needs" for peace in the family, so I'll only offer a couple of things that might give you other ideas to try when and if you can.

First, here's a help file with an "Important Note" that contains info on attenuators and where you can get some. The Winegard in-line "Tilt Compensator" unit sounds very interesting for your setup when it claims:

"Coaxial cable attenuates high frequencies greater than low frequencies. This problem is most severe when cascading amplifiers one after another. The signal differences are attenuated to a point where the high frequency signals are so small compared to the low frequency signals that the high frequency signals can no longer be received. The TC-200A Tilt Compensator provides a balanced signal level by compensating for 200 feet of coax cable loss and allowing all signal levels on all channels to be of equal amplitude at distant locations. Therefore, the picture quality on the higher channels will be maintained."

The Winegard variable attenuator also seems like an ideal unit for manual adjusting to suit the attenuation strength needed?

Here's a help file with system connection info and a sketch #3 that Charles_I used to set up his multi-unit system... might apply somehow?

I've read many posts/threads on signal amplifiers and they seem to universally suggest against using a RS amp... from past experience, I've also found that they stock "noisy" electronics with lots of chance for overdrive or splatter. An amp from your cableco would most likely be better in sending a purer signal to downstream components?
post #2148 of 25445
I'm trying to figure how/where to insert my old vcr into the 3576 set up. Right now I'm using the 3576 as my analog/digital converter as my tv doesn't have a digital tuner. Due to the only digital tuner being in the 3576, I cannot watch one channel while recording another channel on the hdd. I'm not able to figure from wajo's diagram how/where to add in my old analog vcr. Do I go ota coax into 3567, coax out from 3576 into vcr, coax out from vcr into tv? Right now the ota antenna goes into the 3576 and then connected to the tv via the video, l,r audio jacks and I watch the tv via the video 1 selection. The tuner in the vcr is analog so it needs to be converted and I was hoping the 3576 could do that. Will I lose too much power from my ota antenna going thru both the 3576 and the vcr? Aim is to record onto the hard drive and use the vcr for watching a different channel - no recording to the vcr just the ability for two channel use at the same time. Thanks!
post #2149 of 25445
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Originally Posted by sandrac View Post

I'm trying to figure how/where to insert my old vcr into the 3576 set up. Right now I'm using the 3576 as my analog/digital converter as my tv doesn't have a digital tuner. Due to the only digital tuner being in the 3576, I cannot watch one channel while recording another channel on the hdd. I'm not able to figure from wajo's diagram how/where to add in my old analog vcr. Do I go ota coax into 3567, coax out from 3576 into vcr, coax out from vcr into tv? Right now the ota antenna goes into the 3576 and then connected to the tv via the video, l,r audio jacks and I watch the tv via the video 1 selection. The tuner in the vcr is analog so it needs to be converted and I was hoping the 3576 could do that. Will I lose too much power from my ota antenna going thru both the 3576 and the vcr? Aim is to record onto the hard drive and use the vcr for watching a different channel - no recording to the vcr just the ability for two channel use at the same time. Thanks!

Starting February 17th the only way you'll be able to
watch one program while recording another is to have
two digital tuners - one in the 3576 and another either
in a new TV or another digital recorder or STB.
post #2150 of 25445
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandrac View Post

I'm trying to figure how/where to insert my old vcr into the 3576 set up. Right now I'm using the 3576 as my analog/digital converter as my tv doesn't have a digital tuner. Due to the only digital tuner being in the 3576, I cannot watch one channel while recording another channel on the hdd. I'm not able to figure from wajo's diagram how/where to add in my old analog vcr. Do I go ota coax into 3567, coax out from 3576 into vcr, coax out from vcr into tv? Right now the ota antenna goes into the 3576 and then connected to the tv via the video, l,r audio jacks and I watch the tv via the video 1 selection. The tuner in the vcr is analog so it needs to be converted and I was hoping the 3576 could do that. Will I lose too much power from my ota antenna going thru both the 3576 and the vcr? Aim is to record onto the hard drive and use the vcr for watching a different channel - no recording to the vcr just the ability for two channel use at the same time. Thanks!

My sketch #1 for OTA shows a VCR as just for copying to DVDs on the 3576. If you want to use your VCR just for watching its analog channels or tapes, you can place it after the 3576 on the coax. Then, while the VCR is off, you can see whatever normal analog channels your TV picks up. With the VCR on, you'd use it as you normally would since it sends its internal signal (channels and tape playback) via the coax when you select the "VCR" function on its remote.

The 3576 coax passthru would feed the VCR and the TV via the coax, and anything internal from the 3576 (channels, menus, HDD or DVD) via a line input on the TV, as you've already got it set up.

You could also use a 2-way splitter with one output to the 3576 and the other output to the VCR. This maintains separate tunable/watchable recorders.
post #2151 of 25445
wajo, so I would split the ota antenna coax right where it comes out of the wall, put one end into the 3576 ant. in and the 3576 into the tv with the video and l,r audio jacks as I have it now. I need to have the vcr tuner changed to digital so I guess I need a converter box fed by the other split end of the antenna coax, then box into the vcr and vcr out to the ant. in on the tv, right? Then will I be able to watch digital (via channel 3 as I used to previously) on the tv with the vcr turned on and record a channel different than I'm watching via vcr record on the hdd at the same time? The vcr and 3576 won't interfere with one another when both are on? Also, will I be losing much power splitting the antenna and is there a preferred type of splitter or just one of those one in two out jobs? Thank you for your help.
post #2152 of 25445
Thread Starter 
That should do the job. With a splitter, the 3576 coax passthru wouldn't be needed since you'll have the VCR connected to your TV via the coax, like a normal VCR setup. The digital converter box would feed the VCR with OTA digital channels, which you could record on the VCR if desired and, as you say, using channel 3 on the TV... all normal VCR stuff.

And the VCR and 3576 would be separate components to watch/record as desired without any interference since the 3576 will be feeding the TV via a line connection, not the coax.

I believe this same operational scenario would work now for analog channels w/o a splitter and NO CONVERTER BOX if set up with:
1. Incoming coax to 3576 (+ the line connections to the TV you already have).
2. Coax from 3576 to VCR.
3. Coax from VCR to TV.

As soon as you connect a digital converter box, the VCR and 3576 would need line connections you can address later... this got unduly complicated trying to cover all eventualities now!

You could even add a line connection from a VCR output to a 3576 input and copy tapes with this setup (or the split setup).
post #2153 of 25445
This last post got me thinking- If I have a digital TV & the Phillips- I can record to VHS? Only reason I'm asking is because I've seen the remote & I know it's going to be confusing at first- for a long time maybe.

I'd like to keep the ole vcr for playback tapes as well & use it as a recorder. I guess the splitter comes into play? Or, is this overload? I am unsure - it's a lot to buy both the tv & Phillips - but mandatory before they are gone- I am rethinking the new digital tv though after reading some posts. With the converter box and the Phillips - I know I'll be able to record and watch tv. My problem is I feel if I hook up the vcr, I'm loosing signal- also, I saw the "digital splitter" and wondered if this is more effective? any other suggestions- sorrry to bother. Thank you again- you have helped me in choosing a DDVR.. Now, it's the tv - vcr - converter box and what is the best option. What a mess & this is just one room !
post #2154 of 25445
Thread Starter 
You haven't said yet how you get your TV, by antenna, cable or satellite... makes a big diff. in how you'll set up and use your equipment.

For example, if on cable TV or satellite, you won't need a digital converter box and can set up as shown in sketch #1 here. The VCR can be in line after the DVDR or in the "Copy" position as shown in the sketch as "optional" equipment (dotted lines).

If on satellite, see sketch #2 in that linked file.

If using an indoor or outdoor over-the-air (OTA) antenna, then you will need a digital converter box if you want to record to the VCR and philips at the same time, and the splitter is one way to go... one output to the converter box and one to the philips.

Let us know how you get your TV and what other info you need.
post #2155 of 25445
Thank you- I am considering a 20 inch digital TV. I am trying to avoid monthly costs. So this would be OTA- digital TV w/ Phillips and now reading through some posts-- maybe I can keep my vcr as well and record off of it too. However, I have a converter box - the digitalstream9500 hooked up & I can record- without changing channels.. but I'm a flipper in this room. The thought of 2 boxes and probably 6 remotes .. and this is going to be a temp situatin anyway- led me to the digital tv & Phillips. Being I'm going all dgital & from what I got here.. I do not need a splitter to record off digital tv- I use the remote to change the input and can channel surt- right? OK- now, I'm bringing back the vcr only because--I do have a lot of tapes and honestly- it might take me weeks to figure out how to record off the phillips !! I did download the manual & it looks tricky. So, I went surfing for splitters & saw digital splitters- should I hook up the vcr- is this the best choice? Thanks again. K.
post #2156 of 25445
Thread Starter 
If you want to use the VCR just for copying tapes to DVD, then your life will be easy!

Connect as shown in sketch #1 here (the bold lines indicate basic components and connections), then connect the VCR as shown in the dotted (optional) lines feeding E1 on back or E2 on front of the 3576.

To watch TV, just turn it on and use its tuner normally. To watch 3576 channels or recordings from the 3576, just select the TV's line input you connected to and surf or play from HDD or DVD. Commercial DVDs look great thru any connection, but esp. so with HDMI.

With sketch #1 setup, you can also watch a channel on the TV while recording another channel in the 3576.

Click #1 in my signature for a list of other help files you may need now or later.

I don't think you'd ever want to record directly to your analog VCR, but you could do that by adding a line connection, but I don't want to complicate your so-far-easy life right now!
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Thanks- I'm getting to stressed out with this conversion. I'm sure I'll learn how to playback my recorded shows. The vcr is a good idea- at least I won't toss it knowing I can transfer to dvd-- Thanks again. Once I get the unit & by all I've read here-- It's a must for channel surfers.. and then, I will be back for our other room. Unsure which is the best way to go there.. meaning- buy another phillips or.. basic cable & box. I cannot buy 4 new units. So- I'll get the phillips and hope for the best.. I hope it's user friendly- & you have been great in helping me make a decision.. Have a good day
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Thread Starter 
Once you get familiar with the 3576, your next unit should be its virtual clone, the Magnavox H2160, also available at Walmart. It operates like the 3576 in basic function, and has a better remote with only two buttons with diff. names (RETURN instead of BACK and DISPLAY instead of INFO).

The best, tho, is that it can be used side-by-side (if desired later) with the 3576 w/o operating the other unit, and discs created in one can be recorded and finalized in the other machine.

I encourage you to keep a shortcut to the first page of the Sticky with its list of help files on every subject you might need as you set up and operate (click #1 in my sig.).
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Thread Starter 
Something got me started on Clock setting and I found my local PBS wasn't sending a clock signal anymore, but my local Fox analog channel was.

I started by trying to auto-set my Pio 640, which has an Auto-Clock menu screen where you have to enter the channel for the clock signal in your locality. It then tells you it's trying to find the signal on that channel, and it notifies you that it either "Could not auto set the clock" or, if it finds a time signal, it shows "Synchronizing the seconds. This may take up to 1 minute."

I tried my local PBS channel in the Pio 640 and got nothing, TVGuide channel nothing, etc. Entered ch. 6 (Fox) and got the "Synchronizing ... " message and a final clock menu with auto-set time.

So... I opened my 3575 Clock menu and entered ch. 6 in the "Manual" option in the Auto Clock menu. I then set my clock for 11:57pm (it was actually 4:51pm at that time). Turned unit off and watched for it to "turn on" to search for time signal as it always does at 11:59pm and 11:59am. It "turned on" (no change in display, just a slight whirring sound, blank TV screen), and it did this for slightly longer than I've heard before when I had it set for PBS ch. 10 when I thought it was working... now know it prob. couldn't find signal and caused me to go manual!

Anyway, after ~1-2 minutes, the clock display changed to 4:55pm, so the Manual Auto Clock setting for Fox ch. 6 had worked in my 3575.
Note: Be patient... the time adjustment can take up to 3 minutes, and the clock may change to 12:00, then adjust to the correct time. As long as you hear the light "whirring" sound, this DVDR is still in the process of syncing to the broadcast time signal.

Anyone else wanting Auto Clock until Feb 2009 and not getting it fed by their local PBS anymore (or erratically) can try their local analog Fox channel. You can do the same test I did to make sure it'll work the same as mine, or just wait till midnight and noon for the auto-set feature to do its thing?
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Just a data point for anyone tracking Philips customer-service behavior: I e-mailed them (via their website) about our new 3575's refusal to retain digital channels; got a reply in the two-business-days period directing me to call tech support; talked to a friendly rep who determined that they would replace the unit and provided a number to fax proof-of-purchase; received a call today confirming that in about two weeks they will be shipping a replacement unit (when they have them available) along with a pre-paid label to return the defective unit. This is our second return/repair transaction with Philips, and in both cases everyone has been polite, helpful, and easy to deal with. And with any luck, the replacement 3575 will work properly, as did the unit whose non-functioning DVD door they repaired in Arkansas.
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