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post #21661 of 25416
Wow, this is an impressive thread! In the hope someone will be kind enough to answer a couple of questions so I don't have to wade through the whole thing I would greatly appreciate it.

We cut the cord about a year and a half ago and are now OTA only (supplemented w/ Amazon Prime). We had been Tivo users for over a decade, and are now limping along with an old Tivo HDDVR 250 box that will at least give us a 30 minute buffer. But I finally got around to seeing if there were any reasonable options out there for an OTA DVR.

I would need the DVR to contain a tuner, so this Magnavox seems perfect. My only hesitation is that if I am reading this right, the units record only in SD. Is that correct? Forgive my lack of techinical expertise, but how does that work now that many/most OTA broadcasts or HD? I'm not sure I would want to go back to SD land, so I am curious about the picture quality.
post #21662 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Wow, this is an impressive thread! In the hope someone will be kind enough to answer a couple of questions so I don't have to wade through the whole thing I would greatly appreciate it.

We cut the cord about a year and a half ago and are now OTA only (supplemented w/ Amazon Prime). We had been Tivo users for over a decade, and are now limping along with an old Tivo HDDVR 250 box that will at least give us a 30 minute buffer. But I finally got around to seeing if there were any reasonable options out there for an OTA DVR.

I would need the DVR to contain a tuner, so this Magnavox seems perfect. My only hesitation is that if I am reading this right, the units record only in SD. Is that correct? Forgive my lack of techinical expertise, but how does that work now that many/most OTA broadcasts or HD? I'm not sure I would want to go back to SD land, so I am curious about the picture quality.

 

The overall pic quality from an antenna is very good... so good that many people think they are seeing and recording HD... but everything is downrezzed to 480i as reqd by the DVD Std. Only the coax passthrough remains HD so your TV will see true HD.

 

The Mag's highest-quality rec mode, 1-hr-HQ, records at ~10Mbps, which approaches some of the highly compressed HD signals seen today. An HD signal will also look very good if recorded at 2-hr-SP.

 

Here's the help file on PQ.

 

Click the 1st link in my sig. for an index of info and help files so you don't have to "wade through" all the posts in this thread.

post #21663 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

My only hesitation is that if I am reading this right, the units record only in SD. Is that correct? Forgive my lack of techinical expertise, but how does that work now that many/most OTA broadcasts or HD? I'm not sure I would want to go back to SD land, so I am curious about the picture quality.
Another possible issue to consider is the loss of the TiVO timer grid: like an old VCR, the Magnavox has absolutely nothing in the way of a program guide or grid- it has only a simple manual multi-event clock timer. It is much easier to adapt yourself to this as an off-air viewer, since there aren't that many channels to keep track of, so I don't think you'd find it bothersome at all. However, display of recorded titles is nothing like TiVO: the Magnavox is not really suited for keeping a seasons worth of multiple shows stored for later viewing. You can do it, but locating a specific show can be tedious. Some TiVO addicts might suffer a withdrawal period until they get used to "old school" recording.

 

The Mag 53x Series have 36 timer rec programs that are quite easy to set up. You can add a title to the timer program so all shows end up with a name in the main title menu, plus date and day-of-week. The title menu can be searched title-by-title and page-by-page.

 

The pre-titling op is shown in this section of the timer setup help file.

 

Above that is the timer setup procedure, with images.

 

Here, we record lots of shows and occasionally end up with several pages of titles (when distracted from our normal watch-and-delete), and we can find shows easily by title name at top of the menu... we don't even need I.D. help from the live index pic for each title.

post #21664 of 25416
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Am I remembering correctly, that when you gave these instructions to me (maybe a year ago) you suggested reconnecting the cable once the scan had reached channel SEVEN, not TEN?
Has something changed that I should keep in mind should I need to set a machine up from scratch?
I don't remember saying anything about channel 7 but I might have. My problem channels were virtual 3 and 6 so it would probably work after 7. I don't think there is anything neither scrambled or in the clear between 7 and 10 so it shouldn't make a difference.


Well, your instrutions worked perfectly for me, and that's the important thing.

I was used to having an easy setup with Comcast, and the channel scan with FiOS had produced a mess- missing local channels, you name it.

Per your instructions, I started the scan with the cable off, then reconnected as it got to channel 7.

Results? PERFECT setting up of my locals.

Now that I'm considering a 537, remembering the setup steps is a good thing.









(Yeah, I need another recorder. I've got two 515s on cable and a 513 on OTA. Maybe I should buy two more?)
post #21665 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Wow, this is an impressive thread! In the hope someone will be kind enough to answer a couple of questions so I don't have to wade through the whole thing I would greatly appreciate it.

We cut the cord about a year and a half ago and are now OTA only (supplemented w/ Amazon Prime). We had been Tivo users for over a decade, and are now limping along with an old Tivo HDDVR 250 box that will at least give us a 30 minute buffer. But I finally got around to seeing if there were any reasonable options out there for an OTA DVR.

I would need the DVR to contain a tuner, so this Magnavox seems perfect. My only hesitation is that if I am reading this right, the units record only in SD. Is that correct? Forgive my lack of techinical expertise, but how does that work now that many/most OTA broadcasts or HD? I'm not sure I would want to go back to SD land, so I am curious about the picture quality.


Digital converter boxes would receive HD broadcasts, and "down-rez" them (reduce the screen resolution) to make the picture acceptable to an older SD television.

These machines do the same thing, with the picture being down-rezed before it gets to the recorder.

I also use one of these with an HD TV and the picture is fine with that too. Not HD, but totally viewable. Think of it as one of the rare SD digital channels sending a picture to your TV. They wouldn't do it if the picture was that bad, and this isn't either.
post #21666 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

We had been Tivo users for over a decade, and are now limping along with an old Tivo HDDVR 250 box that will at least give us a 30 minute buffer. But I finally got around to seeing if there were any reasonable options out there for an OTA DVR.

My only hesitation is that if I am reading this right, the units record only in SD . . . but how does that work now that many/most OTA broadcasts or HD? I'm not sure I would want to go back to SD land, so I am curious about the picture quality.
What's wrong with continuing to use your TiVo for OTA? I've been using mine for HD OTA for over 3 yr. Just continue the subscription like you did for when you had cable or get lifetime.

As to PQ, a DVD recorder records in SD and SD is not HD -- SD has only 16.7% of the pixels in a 1080 HD frame -- either the HDTV or the playback device has to "invent" the rest of them. Since you are using OTA, tune your TV to one of the SD sub-channels and see what you think of the picture. Can you tell the difference, with your display, between the HD main channel and the SD sub-channel? If you can't tell the difference with your display then you should be fine with a DVD recorder. But if you don't like what you see, stick with an HD DVR.
post #21667 of 25416
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Here, we record lots of shows and occasionally end up with several pages of titles (when distracted from our normal watch-and-delete), and we can find shows easily by title name at top of the menu... we don't even need I.D. help from the live index pic for each title.

I specifically deleted my post within moments when I realized it would just lead to the usual rah-rah boosterism, but since you're hell-bent on replying to a retracted post that only existed for three minutes:

You're missing the point of my remark. The TiVO timer interface is tightly integrated with how it displays the recorded shows. Many TiVO users develop a habit of recording an entire season before viewing it, with multiple different shows. Later, when they want to call up a particular show, they don't have to scroll endlessly thru a random collection of titles displayed six to a screen: they have indexing and navigation options most DVD/HDD recorders don't offer (the Magnavox least of all). The fact that you conditioned yourself and your family to accept the pathetically limited navigation system in the Mag doesn't necessarily mean it would be easy as pie for a long-time TiVO user to do so. The endgame of the Magnavox, or any other DVD/HDD recorder, is to make DVDs. If you don't want to make DVDs, then you're accepting the compromises inherent in these (or any) DVD/HDD recorders for no good reason (aside from the cheap $229 pricetag). Some people find the tradeoff worthwhile, some don't.

The best advice is to try a Magnavox for yourself, now that they're easily available. Taking the word of someone on an internet forum that "you'll LOVE it!" or "you'll HATE it!" will likely not match your own opinion. The difference between SD and HD is significant enough that it bothers me to switch between my Magnavox and Pioneer timer recordings and "live" HDTV. Since almost all my viewing is time-shifted or from burned DVDs, I choose to view everything in SD rather than constantly retrain my eyes. Others here have no problem adapting hour to hour, while still others insist on all-HDTV, all the the time, and move to HTPCs or subscription recorders. WalMart makes it easy to test-drive a Magnavox, so may as well take advantage and give it a spin.
post #21668 of 25416
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Many TiVO users develop a habit of recording an entire season before viewing it, with multiple different shows. Later, when they want to call up a particular show, they don't have to scroll endlessly thru a random collection of titles displayed six to a screen: they have indexing and navigation options most DVD/HDD recorders don't offer.
All the episodes of a given series are stored in a single folder entry in the TiVo play list.
post #21669 of 25416
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

I specifically deleted my post within moments when I realized it would just lead to the usual rah-rah boosterism, but since you're hell-bent on replying to a retracted post that only existed for three minutes:

Was your reply meant to be to wajo? This forum has some strange bugs so I will assume there is a communication error someplace.
post #21670 of 25416
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Here, we record lots of shows and occasionally end up with several pages of titles (when distracted from our normal watch-and-delete), and we can find shows easily by title name at top of the menu... we don't even need I.D. help from the live index pic for each title.

Since virtually all my recordings begin before program start, the ID pic on a Funai's HD title list is useless. In contrast, on a Pioneer one can set an index pic prior to dubbing, which in most cases I do. It is helpful, and a big disappointment not to have on a Funai. Post-dubbing pic setting on a Funai takes a painfully long time.

With 10 recorders, simple title alone, or even with date stamp, is not sufficient to keep track of and locate what's where. For series programming, to each title I append a four digit episode number based upon the IMDB season number and episode number. e.g., yesterday's Bones is 0802, while the last NBC SVU is 1323. I keep track of what's where, including titles saved to DVD, using spreadsheets, and those numbers are one of my important sort keys.
post #21671 of 25416
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Here, we record lots of shows and occasionally end up with several pages of titles (when distracted from our normal watch-and-delete), and we can find shows easily by title name at top of the menu... we don't even need I.D. help from the live index pic for each title.

Since virtually all my recordings begin before program start, the ID pic on a Funai's HD title list is useless. In contrast, on a Pioneer one can set an index pic prior to dubbing, which in most cases I do. It is helpful, and a big disappointment not to have on a Funai. Post-dubbing pic setting on a Funai takes a painfully long time.

 

I never have to create a proper 1st frame on my DVD copies after dub. Most all of my recordings going to DVD have to have the opening crap (and commercials and ending) deleted, so I just Front-Cut on the HDD to the 1st frame that represent s the title best, **usually** the show or movie title. TV shows, even major league sports, are easiest since they **usually** start with the title. On movies with long credits before the title, I **usually** Front-Cut to the title as my 1st frame (whenever possible, of course).

 

It would be nice if Funai allowed index pic setting on the HDD, but since it doesn't ...


Edited by wajo - 9/25/12 at 1:25pm
post #21672 of 25416
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Originally Posted by 234 View Post

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Thank you for advice...
Sorry but I appreciate if you give me further assistance.
1) What problems are occured?? Please list up.
2) I could find your suggestion in your post but could not understand.
I think our engineer understand if I explain in Japanese.
But in order to explain in Japanese, I need to understand it by myself.
Please give list description how should our FW be.
I got below as solution but could not understand...
> the Funai mechanism for storing channels first grabs a ' live RF carrier ' , say for argument's sake, rf cable channel ' 101 ' .... it then discovers all of the ' virtual ' channel data and uses that to alter the storage sequences in memory... this is where the Funai approach fails.
> if the ' decode and store ' process would simply rely upon the RF channel and whatever RF sub-channel it found as the primary mechanism for storage, there would be no issue, albeit having wierd looking channel numbers in storage, although this could easily be handled with a simple ' table ' approach in the storage mechanism after the fact.
> the diverse nature of how the providers are stacking sub-channels
I think Ron is saying that one company can own two different physical channels. It sends shows from one physical channel as virtual channels 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3. From the other physical channel it sends virtual channels 7.1, 7.2, 2.4 and 7.3. A different company is using physical channel 5 with virtual 5.1 and 5.2. This may look bad, but it is not bad. The FW of the Magnavox can not work with this mapping. If I am speaking wrong, Ron can correct me.
post #21673 of 25416
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Since virtually all my recordings begin before program start, the ID pic on a Funai's HD title list is useless. In contrast, on a Pioneer one can set an index pic prior to dubbing, which in most cases I do. It is helpful, and a big disappointment not to have on a Funai. Post-dubbing pic setting on a Funai takes a painfully long time.

I never have to create a proper 1st frame on my DVD copies after dub. Most all of my recordings going to DVD have to have the opening crap (and commercials and ending) deleted, so I just Front-Cut on the HDD to the 1st frame that represent s the title best, *usually* the show or movie title. TV shows, even major league sports, are easiest since they *usually* start with the title. On movies with long credits before the title, I still Front-Cut to the title as my 1st frame.

I never record less than 100% of a program except due to circumstances outside my control. I always use the program title as index pic if it's legible at thumbnail size, and usually even if it isn't. On Funais when I front cut not to be dubbed to DVD by Funai I leave 4-5 seconds ahead of the start so that when I want to dub without using a DVD I don't have to record OSD that cannot be front cut away from the dub.

Most series programming I record has title well after program has significantly progressed. Most movies do the same. I have several movies whose title is more than 10 minutes into the action, and probably over 100 more than 4. Late title series I saved or save include Big Bang Theory, Mentalist, How I Met Your Mother, Bones, Blue Bloods, CSI, CSI NY, NCIS, Two Broke Girls, Harry's Law, White Collar, Suburgatory, Monk, Hawaii Five-O, Fairly Legal & Criminal Minds.

I am highly irritated by early titles that get polluted by giant program rating symbols. Those I save to DVD only via dub to Pioneer, with which I can record a still of an unpolluted title, which I append 2 seconds of to the end of polluted recordings specifically to use for a title pic. The big bonus, in addition to several attractive selections from which to choose a title screen, from saving via Pioneer, is not getting "operation not permitted" which results from fwd & rev skip attempts during playback of Funai DVDs on some non-Funai players.
post #21674 of 25416
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

What's wrong with continuing to use your TiVo for OTA? I've been using mine for HD OTA for over 3 yr. Just continue the subscription like you did for when you had cable or get lifetime.
As to PQ, a DVD recorder records in SD and SD is not HD -- SD has only 16.7% of the pixels in a 1080 HD frame -- either the HDTV or the playback device has to "invent" the rest of them. Since you are using OTA, tune your TV to one of the SD sub-channels and see what you think of the picture. Can you tell the difference, with your display, between the HD main channel and the SD sub-channel? If you can't tell the difference with your display then you should be fine with a DVD recorder. But if you don't like what you see, stick with an HD DVR.

First, thanks to everyone for your replies, I really appreciate it. I'm not sure why I didn't clue into the "of course it can't be HD, it's a DVD burner" line of reasoning from the beginning.

In any case, the Tivo I use is an old DirecTv HD250. When I cut the cord, I by default cut the subscription to Tivo. So I use the HD250 b/c it has a tuner, and my Pannasonic panel doesn't. So while I can't use any of the Tivo functionality, it does still provide a 30 minute buffer which can be a savior when trying to get kids to bed and not miss shows.

Nonethless, I would like to be able to record shows, prefereably in HD, preferably with a box that doesn't require a contract and it would need to have a tuner in it. I don't need an elegant interface like Tivo (though would be nice). Is there an option out there for me???
post #21675 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Nonethless, I would like to be able to record shows, prefereably in HD, preferably with a box that doesn't require a contract and it would need to have a tuner in it. I don't need an elegant interface like Tivo (though would be nice). Is there an option out there for me???

 

You can go to this Options for Recording... page which has a list on pg. 1 of places you can check out, incl. a link to a thread by CharlesR on using a Tivo with Windown Media Center (WMC).

post #21676 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Nonethless, I would like to be able to record shows, prefereably in HD, preferably with a box that doesn't require a contract and it would need to have a tuner in it. I don't need an elegant interface like Tivo (though would be nice). Is there an option out there for me???

Have you seen the Channel Master CM-7000PAL and CM 7400? I don't own either one but it looks like they do what you want.
post #21677 of 25416
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Nonethless, I would like to be able to record shows, prefereably in HD, preferably with a box that doesn't require a contract and it would need to have a tuner in it. I don't need an elegant interface like Tivo (though would be nice). Is there an option out there for me???
For recording HD, nothing "cheap". You can go new TiVo Premier with lifetime for $600, or used TiVo HD + lifetime on eBay for $300-350. You can go Channel Master CM-7400 for $400 plus $50/yr for guide service. Both TiVo and Channel Master are full function, dual tuner HD DVR's.

You can go HTPC and build your own box if you are really, really hardware savy and like to endlessly tinker -- that will still run you $400+ for a decent box plus software. You don't need much hardware muscle to record but you do need some power for smooth playback of HD content. I have both Media-PC and TiVo and prefer TiVo for day to day use -- the media-PC is for overflow recording and series collection.

At the low end are the DVD recorders -- $230 for the Magnavox 533 -- manual SD recording, no guide and single tuner. If you are like many you will find you want to be able to record 2 channels at the same time. That means a second unit for another $230. Now you are up to $460 and have two separate SD recorders that can't be controlled by unique remote codes. Unless you want to burn disks, a CM-7400 would probably be more attractive.
post #21678 of 25416
http://www.epvision.com/HDTVSTB/phdvrxmain.htm
Don't really know anything about it, it probably has quirks like most similar devices but for $230 it has 2 HD tuners and is a nice price point smile.gif Of course no DVD burner like DVDRs......looks like one must add a external HDD which of course would add to the price frown.gif
post #21679 of 25416
hi 234....

let me try to explain ...

In the USA, many providers in both broadcast and cable place their sub-channels ( x.2, x.3, x.4, etc ) not in a normal sequence on a primary digital channel.

For example, my cable provider uses several RF channels to contain several different channels that may not be from the same origin. And they may not be in the correct ' increasing sequence ' inside the main RF channel. Also, some content from a single provider might have his sub-channels split up into different RF channels.

In my example case, here are several RF channels and their contents -

RF 100 contains the following ' virtual channels '

In Slot-1 = Virtual Channel 5.2
In Slot-2 = Virtual Channel 9.1
In Slot-3 = Virtual Channel 12.1
In Slot-4 = Virtual Channel 12.2
In Slot-5 = Virtual Channel 15.1

RF 101 contains the following ' virtual channels '

In Slot-1 = Virtual Channel 101.1 - this one i think has no virtual channel assignment
In Slot-2 = Virtual Channel 32.1
In Slot-3 = Virtual Channel 5.1
In Slot-4 = Virtual Channel 6.1

RF channel 102 contains the following ' virtual channels '

In Slot-1 = Virtual Channel 3.1
In Slot-2 = Virtual Channel 3.2
In Slot-3 = Virtual Channel 3.3
In Slot-4 = Virtual Channel 13.1
In Slot-5 = Virtual Channel 13.2

RF channel 103 contains the following ' virtual channels '

In Slot-1 = Virtual Channel 8.1
In Slot-2 = Virtual Channel 8.2
In Slot-3 = Virtual Channel 10.1
In Slot-4 = Virtual Channel 10.2
In Slot-5 = Virtual Channel 10.3

RF channel 104 contains the following ' virtual channels '

In Slot-1 = Virtual Channel 6.2
In Slot-2 = Virtual Channel 13.3
In Slot-3 = Virtual Channel 14.1
In Slot-4 = Virtual Channel 15.1
In Slot-5 = Virtual Channel 33.2


Here is what goes wrong with the Funai process -

When the DVR is told to scan for active channels, the process begins at the lowest RF channel and continues UP.

When the tuner reaches RF channel 100, it memorizes all of the channels as expected, in sequence, and as it memorizes,
the ' virtual channels ' get assigned in memory, again, in the same order as they are found.

The tuner goes on to memorize channels on each increasing RF channel, until it is finished.

So, the memory order of the channels becomes this -

3.1
3.2
3.3

5.2 - comes first when using channel UP button
5.1 - comes second when using channel UP button

6.1
6.2
8.1
8.2
9.1
10.1
10.2
10.3
12.1
12.2
13.1
13.2
13.3
14.1

15.2 - comes first when using channel UP button
15.1 - comes second when using channel UP button

33.2

This by itself is not a BIG problem, but there are side effects if a person wants to enter channels direct, and when
the DVR is used with a timer recording setup.

If I try to enter channel 5.1 DIRECT, the tuner cannot locate that channel, because it was stored in the wrong sequence.
virtual channel 5.1 was stored AFTER virtual channel 5.2 because of the storage sequence.

One of two things happens when channel 5.1 is entered directly.

1 - the tuner goes automatically to channel 5.2
2 - the tuner cannot locate channel 5.1 and the screen goes blank.

When using a ' timer mode ' recording, the recorded signal is always blank. I believe that this is due to the slight different nature between a live channel selection and a ' timer selected ' channel selection.

This same problem happens in my case with virtual channel 15.1 and 15.2, as they are also stored in memory ' out of sequence ' ...

Since I know that virtual channel 5.1 is contained in RF channel 101, I try to manually select the RF channel 101.3, but this does not work, since the virtual channel is what is finally stored in memory.

If I want to be able to use virtual channel 5.1 for DIRECT select viewing or using a timer recording, I have to NOT LET the tuner find RF channel 100 when it scans. If I do that, then I can directly enter channel 5.1, and I can use channel 5.1 for a timed recording.

If I later MANUALLY add RF channel 100, it makes the problem come back.

This problem is true for Philips 3575, 3576, and Magnavox 513 and 515.
I do not know if this problem exists for the Magnavox 53x DVRs, or if it exists with the older Magnavox 2160 models.

I believe that this problem is also what causes others to report their similar but different issues with channel selections.

I hope this helps.

Best regards and thanks for your continued support for all of us.

Ron G
post #21680 of 25416
Umm...

I'm going to study.

By the way, what is "index pic"? "Post-dubbing pic setting"??
I could find these word several times in this page but cannot make sure what they are, yet.
post #21681 of 25416
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By the way, what is "index pic"? "Post-dubbing pic setting"?? I could find these word several times in this page but cannot make sure what they are, yet.

Please refer to page 83 in the MDR515H manual in the chart in upper left on the page. "Setting an index picture" is allowed only on DVD.

Now on page 69 section 3, you can see where these pictures are used, but for HDD title list the picture is fixed by the machine, not changeable by user as can be done for DVD title list.
post #21682 of 25416
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Originally Posted by rkg22 View Post

hi 234....
let me try to explain ...
In the USA, many providers in both broadcast and cable place their sub-channels ( x.2, x.3, x.4, etc ) not in a normal sequence on a primary digital channel.
For example, my cable provider uses several RF channels to contain several different channels that may not be from the same origin. And they may not be in the correct ' increasing sequence ' inside the main RF channel. Also, some content from a single provider might have his sub-channels split up into different RF channels.

Looking at the ATSC A/65 spec it seems like you can infer that for OTA digital physical RF channels 1-69 all programs on a given RF channel must have the same virtual major channel number. It is also possible that 2 physical RF channels could use the same logical major channel number, as long as the minor channel numbers are unique. But when it comes to cable, I don't see any requirement at all for relating physical RF channel to virtual major channel, as long as the major.minor virtual channel number is unique.

I don't know that any "ordering" is implied by virtual channel number assignment, although it seems to be practice in OTA that the xx.1 minor channel is the "main" one. Channel up/down really seems meaningless. User should be able to specify his own ordering.

scott s.
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post #21683 of 25416
I have a Philips 3576 and have been recording OTA TV for years now without problems. One day I accidentally started a manual record on a program. Almost immediately I terminated the recording by pressing stop. This resulted in a partially recorded show that looks like (when viewed in the titles window) it is still recording with the red dot on the shows image. I can't delete this partial recording either. If I try to play it the DVR locks up and I have to power cycle the machine.

Anyway, the DVR seemed to still record/play other shows no problem for about a year until recently. Now when I bring up the titles screen, all of the title cards are blank. I can navigate around to different recorded programs (I can't tell what they are) but when I try to play any of them, all I get is a blank screen. If I get out of playing the recording and go back to live TV, I lose audio. A power cycle fixes the audio but not the blank recorded shows.

Has anybody else seen this? I wonder if my problems stemmed from the immediate termination of a recorded program and having that messed program that I cannot delete.

Should I reformat the hdd?
post #21684 of 25416
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Originally Posted by pmilin View Post

I have a Philips 3576 and have been recording OTA TV for years now without problems. One day I accidentally started a manual record on a program. Almost immediately I terminated the recording by pressing stop. This resulted in a partially recorded show that looks like (when viewed in the titles window) it is still recording with the red dot on the shows image. I can't delete this partial recording either. If I try to play it the DVR locks up and I have to power cycle the machine.

Anyway, the DVR seemed to still record/play other shows no problem for about a year until recently. Now when I bring up the titles screen, all of the title cards are blank. I can navigate around to different recorded programs (I can't tell what they are) but when I try to play any of them, all I get is a blank screen. If I get out of playing the recording and go back to live TV, I lose audio. A power cycle fixes the audio but not the blank recorded shows.

Has anybody else seen this? I wonder if my problems stemmed from the immediate termination of a recorded program and having that messed program that I cannot delete.

Should I reformat the hdd?

 

That's a known problem that can occur when you stop a recording while the red rec dot is still on screen.

 

Here's some info on the problem and possible solutions.

 

If no joy, come back and we can try some other things.

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Have you seen the Channel Master CM-7000PAL and CM 7400? I don't own either one but it looks like they do what you want.

Can either of these be made to work with scrambled cable content, or to be more precise, is there anyway to get the same function wthout having to rent the cable companies box?
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You can go Channel Master CM-7400 for $400 plus $50/yr for guide service.

I didn't know Channel Master charged $50 a year for the guide service. They advertise it as a "HD DVR with no subscription fees".
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Can either of these be made to work with scrambled cable content, or to be more precise, is there anyway to get the same function wthout having to rent the cable companies box?

Neither of the CM units can play scrambled cable content. I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the Ceton Q for that.
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I didn't know Channel Master charged $50 a year for the guide service. They advertise it as a "HD DVR with no subscription fees".

Yah, that info is hard to find on their site. It really makes Tivo's w/lifetime look a lot better, especially if you can get one on sale.
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Since virtually all my recordings begin before program start, the ID pic on a Funai's HD title list is useless. In contrast, on a Pioneer one can set an index pic prior to dubbing, which in most cases I do. It is helpful, and a big disappointment not to have on a Funai. Post-dubbing pic setting on a Funai takes a painfully long time.
With 10 recorders, simple title alone, or even with date stamp, is not sufficient to keep track of and locate what's where. For series programming, to each title I append a four digit episode number based upon the IMDB season number and episode number. e.g., yesterday's Bones is 0802, while the last NBC SVU is 1323. I keep track of what's where, including titles saved to DVD, using spreadsheets, and those numbers are one of my important sort keys.

10 dvd recorders? Weren't you the same person who complained about the energy use of a HTPC? rolleyes.gif
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http://www.epvision.com/HDTVSTB/phdvrxmain.htm
Don't really know anything about it, it probably has quirks like most similar devices but for $230 it has 2 HD tuners and is a nice price point smile.gif Of course no DVD burner like DVDRs......looks like one must add a external HDD which of course would add to the price frown.gif
"it probably has quirks"
That would be putting it mildly. It is an unfinished product that may never get finished. Here is the AVS thread on it. Don't read unless you have a strong stomach.
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