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post #21841 of 25409
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Evidence?

I believe the 53x Series units will operate just like the 515 in HDD swappage/ops... they might as well have named the 53x models 515A, B & C!

I do think you can swap drives between units in the 53X family. I know you can swap drives between the 51X and 1260A units as well. But between the 53X and 51X, not likely. The file system would have been changed to support the 1 TByte hard drive. Since these units are designed to not have the hard disks swapped, reading a older format wouldn't be a priority.

I haven't seen any sectors from the new unit yet. Also, I don't have the money to get a new unit right now so it will be awhile before I could test it. Maybe next summer I'll get a referb.

 

Why would you say that now, when people have been swapping HDDs *almost* at will!?

 

ALL THE 53x UNITS HAVE THE EXACT SAME FW! What we need to know, by impartial testing, is whether that FW is any barrier to swapping HDDs from a previous unit. ONLY AFTER that testing will we be able to provide true answers to the now-inevitable "I heard... " stories.


Edited by wajo - 10/6/12 at 3:09pm
post #21842 of 25409
I'm going to have to get my 533 sooner I think. I was limping along with my panasonic ez27 using it to dub movies from my cable DVR. My panasonic EH80 is still dead and I'm inclined to not open it again and replace caps or worse.

What's pushing me for an earluer purchase is Thursday my cable went out for about 3 hours in prime time. I was away from home and missed Person of Interest recording. I'll have to watch it on my computer I guess at CBS.com. I could have used the TV OTA tuner if at home, but wasn't. With the maggie I can set important shows on the maggie uning OTA as a backup.
post #21843 of 25409
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I'm going to have to get my 533 sooner I think. I was limping along with my panasonic ez27 using it to dub movies from my cable DVR. My panasonic EH80 is still dead and I'm inclined to not open it again and replace caps or worse.

What's pushing me for an earluer purchase is Thursday my cable went out for about 3 hours in prime time. I was away from home and missed Person of Interest recording. I'll have to watch it on my computer I guess at CBS.com. I could have used the TV OTA tuner if at home, but wasn't. With the maggie I can set important shows on the maggie uning OTA as a backup.

 

Have you cointacted member Mickinct, who does reasonable repairs of Panasonic DVDRs?

post #21844 of 25409
Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question, but I get an E26 code when I try to record from my ABC or CBS stations on my Magnavox 515.
Is there any way around this problem?
I think it's total BS that I pay my cable bill every month but am prohibited from recording anything on these two channels to watch at a later time.
Can anyone help?
post #21845 of 25409
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Originally Posted by Robotb9 View Post

Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question, but I get an E26 code when I try to record from my ABC or CBS stations on my Magnavox 515.
Is there any way around this problem?
I think it's total BS that I pay my cable bill every month but am prohibited from recording anything on these two channels to watch at a later time.
Can anyone help?

 

E26 is "prohibited due to CGMS code" but the HDD is set for CGMS "00: Permit.". Are you trying to rec to a DVD?

post #21846 of 25409
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Originally Posted by Robotb9 View Post

I get an E26 code when I try to record from my ABC or CBS stations on my Magnavox 515.

Is there any way around this problem?

E26 is "prohibited due to CGMS code" but the HDD is set for CGMS "00: Permit.". Are you trying to rec to a DVD?

If trying to record to DVD from a copy once source, a second recorder with converter in between will do it. 2-3 times I've had this problem with USA Network.
post #21847 of 25409
We've been using this H2160MW9 unit for over three years and it's been great. We use it exclusively for OTA tuning and recording, and live in an area with watchable TV stations in every direction. Naturally we use a rotor, which leads to issues with auto-rescan. (I posted on this once a couple years ago).

When rescanning with a rotor (scan-rotate-scan-rotate-etc.) it loses channels as they disappear from reception when the rotor is turned. There's even a note in the manual stating that auto-rescan will over-write existing channels. The manual also says that you cannot manually add DTV stations, but I've found that sometimes it is possible. My current problem the kind that isn't. Here's what is going on:

I have a station at virtual 34.1, on real channel 35. I have another station at 57.1 on real channel to 34. If I directly enter "34" into the remote, it goes to 34.1. I tried entering 57.1 on the remote and of course nothing happens...

So I tried going into Setup to manually add real channel 34. Note that this option displays the real channel as well as virtual. If I start to enter "34" it will display 34 in the DTV field as I push the buttons, but then it scans and finds virtual 34.1. Just for fun I tried entering 35, and when it scans, it also switches to 34.1.

My next brilliant idea was to delete virtual channel 34. After deleting it I directly entered "34" on the remote; lo and behold, there was channel 57.1 on my TV. Perfect picture. Next tried punching in 57.2, which I know is a good channel also as it's on the same frequency. But 57.2 refuses to scan in. (I have another TV on a converter box, and 57.2 is fine on that one...)

Then there is the problem of trying to re-add 34.1 / 35. Can't do it, just like before when I couldn't add 57.1 / 34.

Questions:
1. Is there a firmware update that fixes this problem?
2. Is there another solution?
3. Do any of the new models fix this problem?

Thanks for helping. This forum is is great, but the thread is so big I couln't find a post that directly addresses my problem.
post #21848 of 25409
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Have you cointacted member Mickinct, who does reasonable repairs of Panasonic DVDRs?

Yes, we exchanged PMs. cost to repair was nearly the cost of a new 533. He said based on the symptoms there was more wrong than caps.

Plus I need an OTA tuner for cable box recording backup. The old panny does not have current digital OTA capability. So its kind of pointless to fix. I'll list it for free for spare parts on craiglist locally and then toss it if no one wants it.
post #21849 of 25409
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We've been using this H2160MW9 unit for over three years and it's been great. We use it exclusively for OTA tuning and recording, and live in an area with watchable TV stations in every direction. Naturally we use a rotor, which leads to issues with auto-rescan. (I posted on this once a couple years ago).

When rescanning with a rotor (scan-rotate-scan-rotate-etc.) it loses channels as they disappear from reception when the rotor is turned. There's even a note in the manual stating that auto-rescan will over-write existing channels. The manual also says that you cannot manually add DTV stations, but I've found that sometimes it is possible. My current problem the kind that isn't. Here's what is going on:

 

I'm disappointed (maybe at myself). I don't know why you're rescanning at different positions in the first place. It's been proven that you can do an Auto Channel Preset > Antenna in Position 1, then turn antenna to Position 2 and Manual Channel Preset > ADD whatever channels are at that position. Repeat for other positions.

 

That procedure has been in the help files since Arkyman posted his procedure on 10/7/08 in response to several people saying it couldn't be done (one of the things they theorized or "heard," of course, and besides, the manual said so... HAH!).

 

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I have a station at virtual 34.1, on real channel 35. I have another station at 57.1 on real channel to 34. If I directly enter "34" into the remote, it goes to 34.1. I tried entering 57.1 on the remote and of course nothing happens...

So I tried going into Setup to manually add real channel 34. Note that this option displays the real channel as well as virtual. If I start to enter "34" it will display 34 in the DTV field as I push the buttons, but then it scans and finds virtual 34.1. Just for fun I tried entering 35, and when it scans, it also switches to 34.1.

My next brilliant idea was to delete virtual channel 34. After deleting it I directly entered "34" on the remote; lo and behold, there was channel 57.1 on my TV. Perfect picture. Next tried punching in 57.2, which I know is a good channel also as it's on the same frequency. But 57.2 refuses to scan in. (I have another TV on a converter box, and 57.2 is fine on that one...)

Then there is the problem of trying to re-add 34.1 / 35. Can't do it, just like before when I couldn't add 57.1 / 34.
 

On your duplicate channels, here's a help file on a "Map Your Own" solution with many stories of success that might help you find and delete the correct "offending" channel by using channel resources to understand the numbering problem.


Edited by wajo - 10/7/12 at 8:46am
post #21850 of 25409
I was trying to record to the HDD and still got the E26 code.
I just checked it again and now NBC has joined the crowd.
Is there a way to check to see if the CGMS code has been changed?
I've had the 515 for over a year and never had this problem untill last week, now every time I try to record from these three channels I get the E26.
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post #21851 of 25409
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Originally Posted by Robotb9 View Post

I was trying to record to the HDD and still got the E26 code.
I just checked it again and now NBC has joined the crowd.
Is there a way to check to see if the CGMS code has been changed?
I've had the 515 for over a year and never had this problem untill last week, now every time I try to record from these three channels I get the E26.
mad.gif

 

No, the "00: Permit" on CGMS is in the FW, so it won't change by itself.

 

Someone COULD have started adding "Copy-Never" code to the production/signal, esp. possible if your cableco is Comcast? Copy-once programs CAN be recorded on the HDD but usually can't then be offloaded to a DVD, which doesn't operate under the same "rules."

 

However, there are many instances of a CGMS code being added IN ERROR so it never hurts to call the cableco or broadcaster (if OTA) and see what's up since it's not "normal" to copy-protect the major networks?

post #21852 of 25409
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I'm disappointed (maybe at myself). I don't know why you're rescanning at different positions in the first place. It's been proven that you can do an Auto Channel Preset > Antenna in Position 1, then turn antenna to Position 2 and Manual Channel Preset > ADD whatever channels are at that position. Repeat for other positions.

I probably should have left out that part. I was just telling 'the whole story' and I'm not actually trying do it that way. Generally, adding a channel manually works fine. But in my area there are numerous conflicts, as I described later.
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That procedure has been in the help files since Arkyman posted his procedure on 10/7/08 in response to several people saying it couldn't be done (one of the things they theorized or "heard," of course, and besides, the manual said so... HAH!).

It was probably the Arkyman link that showed me how to ignore the manual! Several years ago one of my stations was a gut-wrenching nightmare to add. I had one of those real/virtual conflicts--one distant but strong, conflicting with a closer and weaker station that I wanted. The two were 180 degrees apart, and when I would enter the real frequency of weak station, the unit would switch to the virtual channel of the strong one. I battled that for weeks. Had to wait for just the right atmospheric conditions. I would note also, that I didn't have this problem with my Zinwell converter box.

So now I have a similar problem. To add my new frequency (57.1 / 34) I need to adjust my rotor. Reception is fine--100% as indicated on my converter box. But the conflicting station (34.1 / 35) is also fairly strong at that rotor angle. That's the problem.
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

On your duplicate channels, here's a help file on a "Map Your Own" solution with many stories of success that might help you find and delete the correct "offending" channel by using channel resources to understand the numbering problem.

I will go back and study the suggestions in the above post and hopefully find a solution. Thank you for posting the links! smile.gif

Now as to my other questions, are the newer models any more robust to this issue? Both of my converter boxes are capable of doing multiple auto scans without overwriting existing stations. That would be my wish for my next unit. (Either that or a firmware update!)
post #21853 of 25409
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Now as to my other questions, are the newer models any more robust to this issue? Both of my converter boxes are capable of doing multiple auto scans without overwriting existing stations. That would be my wish for my next unit. (Either that or a firmware update!)

 

The new units operate virtually the same as your 2160, with some updates in menus, etc. but not scanning ops.

post #21854 of 25409
I was mistaken - it only holds 18 titles, not 19. My wife does most of the dubbing. She'll try your idea and I'll report back. Thanks for the tip!

Doug
post #21855 of 25409
Does anyone else wish that when the machines are dealing with recordings made in "widescreen" they'd record to DVD in anamorphic?

I still have a 4x3 TV and have to either record in letterbox or, if in widescreen, then take the recording by way of a DVD, and process it thru a computer program and re-burn it so it shows up as either widescreen on a widescreen set, or letterboxed on a 4x3 set. (If I don't do that, you know what happens. The widescreen recording comes out distorted and stretched, filling the screen when the DVD is played thru the 4x3 set.)

Would it really be so hard to have widescreen recordings burn to DVD as anamorphic? I mean, the software my computer does it with was FREEWARE.

Funai can't figure out how to include that feature as part of the DVD burning software?
post #21856 of 25409
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Does anyone else wish that when the machines are dealing with recordings made in "widescreen" they'd record to DVD in anamorphic?

I still have a 4x3 TV and have to either record in letterbox or, if in widescreen, then take the recording by way of a DVD, and process it thru a computer program and re-burn it so it shows up as either widescreen on a widescreen set, or letterboxed on a 4x3 set. (If I don't do that, you know what happens. The widescreen recording comes out distorted and stretched, filling the screen when the DVD is played thru the 4x3 set.)

Would it really be so hard to have widescreen recordings burn to DVD as anamorphic? I mean, the software my computer does it with was FREEWARE.

Funai can't figure out how to include that feature as part of the DVD burning software?

It is actually already recorded in anamorphic. But the anamorphic flag is not set. That's one of the reasons I have not inserted a DVD-+R into the Maggies for years :-) I always use DVD+RW because the DVD IFO files have to be edited on a PC to turn on this flag. Agreed with you there, so simple, why it has not been fixed?
post #21857 of 25409
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It is actually already recorded in anamorphic. But the anamorphic flag is not set. That's one of the reasons I have not inserted a DVD-+R into the Maggies for years :-) I always use DVD+RW because the DVD IFO files have to be edited on a PC to turn on this flag. Agreed with you there, so simple, why it has not been fixed?

I agree that it should be possible to set the anamorphic flag on a DVD burned by these machines. But it isn't possible to identify an anamorphic picture just by looking at the video data, right? So the machine would have to assume that if the original signal was HD, then the picture should be widescreen. Or the user could be allowed to specify the flag setting.
post #21858 of 25409
One quick question which probably has been answered elsewhere and I am looking in the record to DVD section ...

Still, last night I missed the first few minutes of a show that was coming into my player. I recorded the rest of it and I am planning and editing out the commercials and putting it on a DVD. On my other player I can get the show via an On Demand source and get the first few minutes that I missed. I don't want to get the whole thing since the live source on the one player is better quality than the On Demand source.

So, what I want to do is make a DVD with minutes 3 through 60 (edited down to say 3 through 42) and then take that disc to the other player and dub in minutes 1 through 3. So, ultimately I'd have two titles on the DVD of the two parts of the show. After putting both titles on I'd finalize.

I think this plan should work, but I was wondering if there are any catches that I need to worry about. Thanks.
post #21859 of 25409
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One quick question which probably has been answered elsewhere and I am looking in the record to DVD section ...

Still, last night I missed the first few minutes of a show that was coming into my player. I recorded the rest of it and I am planning and editing out the commercials and putting it on a DVD. On my other player I can get the show via an On Demand source and get the first few minutes that I missed. I don't want to get the whole thing since the live source on the one player is better quality than the On Demand source.

So, what I want to do is make a DVD with minutes 3 through 60 (edited down to say 3 through 42) and then take that disc to the other player and dub in minutes 1 through 3. So, ultimately I'd have two titles on the DVD of the two parts of the show. After putting both titles on I'd finalize.

I think this plan should work, but I was wondering if there are any catches that I need to worry about. Thanks.

 

That will work quite well. Altho you can't "Combine" or "Join" titles with our DVDRs, you can have separate titles (parts 1 & 2?) on DVD and they'll play in sequence w/o any special Play command between titles (slight delay is all) 

 

(Thanks for letting me know the sequential DVD title playback is not in the Recording to DVD section. It IS in the playback section, but I'll add a note in the Recording section as well.)


Edited by wajo - 10/8/12 at 8:53am
post #21860 of 25409
Do the new 533/535/537 models use the same remote as the 515? I see the new models are all designated H/F7 like the 515. I would like to add an additional recorder without having to play the tape-covering-the-recptor-game.

Any differences beteween the tree new models besides capacity? I am trying to figure out why the big difference in prices at Walmart if only the HD size is different.

Sorry if these questions are duplicates. This thread has gotten ginormous and I would not know how to begin searching for an answer. Searching for "remote" would yield how many responses?????

Thanks, This thread is a great resource.
post #21861 of 25409
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Do the new 533/535/537 models use the same remote as the 515? I see the new models are all designated H/F7 like the 515. I would like to add an additional recorder without having to play the tape-covering-the-recptor-game.

Any differences beteween the tree new models besides capacity? I am trying to figure out why the big difference in prices at Walmart if only the HD size is different.

Sorry if these questions are duplicates. This thread has gotten ginormous and I would not know how to begin searching for an answer. Searching for "remote" would yield how many responses?????

Thanks, This thread is a great resource.

 

You apparently haven't been to page 1 of this thread, which is an "active" index of subjects that lead to other indexed help files for details. Go to page 1 or click the 1st link in my sig. and bookmark that page, if interested.

 

One help file is on using "barriers" for controlling more than one Mag or Philips unit... no tape needed, jusy a "KLUGE":

 

Yes, the remote is the exact same one as for the 515.

 

Only diff. between units is HDD size, same FW, etc.

 

The 1TB HDD is something we've made a "big deal" out of in our Wish Lists (see section 1 of the index), so I suspect Walmart is pricing the 1TB unit accordingly, as a slight "bonus" for THEM being the only reason we've got this latest Funai build even tho their tuner had reached EOL and they had already reassigned their personnel to better pursuits (see Dear Walmart help file also in Section 1 of index).


Edited by wajo - 10/8/12 at 9:27am
post #21862 of 25409
Thanks Wajo,

Page one is overwhelming to me and it almost overwhelmed my computer. Took a long time for the page to stop jumping around. Yes, I need a new computer. I will try using it next time.

As for the tape over the sensor. I meant it in the generic barrier sense. I previously read your recommendations for bent cardboard. I certainly would not use tape for something that had to be moved frequently. It would also probably leave a residue. I have not had to resort to a barrier so far because I have one 515 and a Philips 3576.
post #21863 of 25409
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Thanks Wajo,

Page one is overwhelming to me and it almost overwhelmed my computer. Took a long time for the page to stop jumping around. Yes, I need a new computer. I will try using it next time.
 

 

That's prob. the worst thing about the new AVS format for my help files. 

 

Before, I had each link going to a separate page that only showed a single help file post. My links to page 1 also went to just Post #1, with nothing else to load (all the other posts below Post #1).
 

Now, each viewer has to load at least 30 posts (the default) or as many as 100 (optional) before the linked help file post or Post #1 (the index) will stand still... all the other posts on that page are ALSO trying to load, with some having IMAGES, which delay full page loading much more than just text.

 

I guess they didn't think about such usage before they dropped the "link to specific post #" option? mad.gif


Edited by wajo - 10/8/12 at 11:10am
post #21864 of 25409
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post


I agree that it should be possible to set the anamorphic flag on a DVD burned by these machines. But it isn't possible to identify an anamorphic picture just by looking at the video data, right? So the machine would have to assume that if the original signal was HD, then the picture should be widescreen. Or the user could be allowed to specify the flag setting.

I'm not sure I understand! I though the video source coming into the Maggies would have something indicating that it's 16:9 or 4:3, that's why the Maggies record the 16:9 videos as anamorphic? IOTW, the source is not anamorphic, the Maggies made it so it will be in DVD format? I don't know much about video formats, but it seems that's what happened. Please explain if I'm wrong.
post #21865 of 25409
What is the 'rotor' that freqdomain is adjusting?
post #21866 of 25409
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What is the 'rotor' that freqdomain is adjusting?
In general:
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=CM9521A&d=Channel-Master-CM9521A-TV-Antenna-Rotator-System-with-Infra-Red-Remote-(CM-9521A)

I don't know the specific model.
post #21867 of 25409
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Originally Posted by bodhi78 View Post

I'm not sure I understand! I though the video source coming into the Maggies would have something indicating that it's 16:9 or 4:3, that's why the Maggies record the 16:9 videos as anamorphic? IOTW, the source is not anamorphic, the Maggies made it so it will be in DVD format? I don't know much about video formats, but it seems that's what happened. Please explain if I'm wrong.

Yes, the original ATSC digital signal received by the Maggie would indicate whether it was 16:9 or 4:3, but the Maggie would have to save that indication in its recording directory or index somehow. Once the Maggie digitizes the actual video as SD to record it to the hard drive, it's not possible to look at that SD video data and determine the desired format. When playing the recording, you have to know whether it's supposed to be displayed as 4:3 or stretched out to be 16:9 (if it's anamorphic video). The whole point of anamorphic video is to allow a widescreen picture to be saved in an SD data format without using any pixel-wasting black bars. As data, the video looks just like a 4:3 picture might.
post #21868 of 25409
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

I agree that it should be possible to set the anamorphic flag on a DVD burned by these machines. But it isn't possible to identify an anamorphic picture just by looking at the video data, right? So the machine would have to assume that if the original signal was HD, then the picture should be widescreen. Or the user could be allowed to specify the flag setting.

A video does not have to be HD to be 16x9. My local cable news channel is 480i 16x9
post #21869 of 25409
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Originally Posted by rdgcss View Post

A video does not have to be HD to be 16x9. My local cable news channel is 480i 16x9

You're right. I was thinking that the Maggie would have to assume that HD = 16:9 and SD = 4:3, but the original ATSC signal does include an actual format code, I think. My point was that after the Maggie converts the video to SD, it all looks like 4:3, and the Maggie would have to save the format indicator somewhere for later reference when writing to DVD. It really should do that, of course.
post #21870 of 25409
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Who said anything about "HD"?

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