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11/21/12 at 4:27pm
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$39.95 refurbished at Newegg?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145564&cm_mmc=BlkFri2012-_-14-_-N82E16822145564-_-na&nm_mc=BlkFri2012

Just ordered, to put in a PC with 40GB HD that died last week. Thanks for the pointer. I needed that. smile.gif
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11/22/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

That HDD should be OK, although the new 6Gb/s transfer rate isn't needed in our units and I don't think anyone has tried one of these yet. I still don't see any problem, but just my opinion.

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Here's someone who has that 662 for $67.52 (don't know anything about this seller)... $150-210 other places!
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This is rather like motor oils. Where once SD was the highest rated, SE later became highest rated, and still later SF. SD & SE were no longer made, and SF was fully backward compatible to replace them. Another analogy is DVD speeds. If your burner is an old 8X, you can burn to 16X disks, but only at 8X speed.

The only significant differences between SATA1, SATA2 & SATA3 are the maximum theoretical I/O speeds. Replacing an SATA2 HD with an SATA3 HD means the replacement SATA3 HD will operate no faster than the speed supported by the host system, which may not even have been SATA2 to start with.

In our Funai cases, the host performs I/O at speeds much less than the SATA1 theoretical maximum, since that's all DVD video I/O requires to function, so any speed SATA HD will work. HD makers wouldn't make SATA3 HDs that couldn't work in systems with old SATA1 or SATA2 controllers.

OK, I'll buy and try the Hitachi 662, thanks for your info!
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post #22233 of 23784
11/22/12 at 2:51pm
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A Note on Browsing the New Huddler Format

 

Since we can no longer link to a specific, isolated post, it can take some time for a page full of posts to "resolve" and sit still enough to read the post of interest.

 

I got tired of it with my 1.5 Mbps DSL and changed my Profile to 10 posts per page... WHAT AN AMAZING DIFFERENCE!

 

Posts pop up to top now with little or no bouncing from 30 or more posts below fighting for bandwidth to become "displayable.".

 

For me, increased number of pages from this change never comes into play since I virtually never read threads page-to-page. For others, it might be a "problem"?

 

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post #22234 of 23784
11/25/12 at 5:39pm
Hi guys, what about this Hard Drive:

Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002

Will it works with the 2160A & 513? I'll get the Hitachi, but I'm curious about this one, since is a Seagate. As always thanks.
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post #22235 of 23784
11/25/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

what about this Hard Drive:

Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002

Will it works with the 2160A & 513? I'll get the Hitachi, but I'm curious about this one, since is a Seagate.

This is just educated speculation until someone actually tests, but I suspect that as an SATA3 (6GB/s) device it's probably a newer model with 4096 byte sectors internally, and that there exists some possibility that our older machine designs might presume 512 byte sectors, leading to possibility of a performance loss that could possibly translate into observable trouble. I think the possibility of trouble is quite slim, but nevertheless worth avoiding if possible until proven to be no problem. Until proven otherwise, I'd prefer older SATA1 or SATA2 models likely to have 512 byte sectors internally.

It might also be worth investigating to see what Funai prices its replacement 500G HDs at.
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post #22236 of 23784
11/26/12 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

Hi guys, what about this Hard Drive:
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002
Will it works with the 2160A & 513? I'll get the Hitachi, but I'm curious about this one, since is a Seagate. As always thanks.
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Originally Posted by mrmazda View Post

This is just educated speculation until someone actually tests, but I suspect that as an SATA3 (6GB/s) device it's probably a newer model with 4096 byte sectors internally, and that there exists some possibility that our older machine designs might presume 512 byte sectors, leading to possibility of a performance loss that could possibly translate into observable trouble. I think the possibility of trouble is quite slim, but nevertheless worth avoiding if possible until proven to be no problem. Until proven otherwise, I'd prefer older SATA1 or SATA2 models likely to have 512 byte sectors internally.
It might also be worth investigating to see what Funai prices its replacement 500G HDs at.

The difference referenced by the designation SATA 1, SATA 2, and SATA 3 is the transfer rate of 1.5GB/s, 3.0GB/s and 6.0GB/s respectively. As our Magnavox units were originally designed for HDD's with much slower transfer rates, a SATA 3 (6.0GB/s) drive should not present a problem. In fact, a number of the currently recommended replacement drives listed in Wajo's Internal HDD Upgrade help section are SATA 3(6.0GB/s) drives.

It is, however, very important any HDD selected as a replacement, not exceed the operational or idle power specifications of the originally installed hard drive, otherwise the Magnavox's internal power supply could be damaged.

PS - I believe several members have confirmed the HDD format used in these Magnavox units is not FAT16, FAT32 nor NTFS but some Funai proprietary system.
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post #22237 of 23784
11/26/12 at 4:25am
Walmart is featuring the Mags in its CyberMonday sale - no discounts though, just the regular $228/248/298...

http://www.walmart.com/cp/All-Online-Specials/1099264?adid=1500000000000038273960&veh=eml
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post #22238 of 23784
11/26/12 at 7:50am
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The difference referenced by the designation SATA 1, SATA 2, and SATA 3 is the transfer rate of 1.5GB/s, 3.0GB/s and 6.0GB/s respectively.

Not transfer rate of the device, but maximum transfer rate of the SATA bus the device is connected to. A mere change of HD doesn't magically triple the actual device's transfer rate by switching it from SATA1 to SATA3. Last I checked, there were no HDs available that could saturate a SATA3 bus, or even a SATA2 bus, except possibly for the very brief period it takes to transfer the content of the device's cache. To find out how fast a HD really is (non-burst mode) requires looking up or testing its sustained transfer rate.

All the above (and cache size and speed) is really irrelevant to our Funais, as SD video I/O is rather undemanding. Even the highest bitrate HD feeds sent to broadcast stations over satellite or fiber optic are easily handled by SATA1.
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post #22239 of 23784
11/26/12 at 11:03am
Does the Mag 537 have an audio optical output?
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11/26/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by TexasNADs View Post

Does the Mag 537 have an audio optical output?

Coax only.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=2947&seq=1&format=2

Use link at bottom of page if you decide to get one.
Edited by JoeKustra - 11/26/12 at 11:16am
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post #22241 of 23784
11/26/12 at 11:16am
Thanks Joe. I really need a DVR with a NTSC/ATSC tuner AND optical output. I have a Panasonic DMR-E85H, but it won't power up now so I'm looking for a replacement. I wanted one with HDMI and Optical.
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post #22242 of 23784
11/26/12 at 11:23am
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Thanks Joe. I really need a DVR with a NTSC/ATSC tuner AND optical output. I have a Panasonic DMR-E85H, but it won't power up now so I'm looking for a replacement. I wanted one with HDMI and Optical.

I like coax since it's less damage prone. Problem with the monoprice adapter is that it needs a wall wart. But I have used one and they do work.

Maybe the E85H died because it heard it was going to lose TVGOS? [joke]

The Magnavox does not support DVD-RAM. Walmart has a great return policy should you decide this item is not for you. There are many E85H units on eBay.

I have an EZ28.
Edited by JoeKustra - 11/26/12 at 12:37pm
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post #22243 of 23784
11/26/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by stapler1234 View Post

It is, however, very important any HDD selected as a replacement, not exceed the operational or idle power specifications of the originally installed hard drive, otherwise the Magnavox's internal power supply could be damaged.

OK thanks to all for the answers, let me check this values: 5V/450mA . 12V/700mA against Wajo tables...

Well, the spare that Wajo suggests me some posts ago, has the same energy values than CLA662, so let's go!
Edited by profhat - 11/26/12 at 4:03pm
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post #22244 of 23784
11/27/12 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by TexasNADs View Post

Thanks Joe. I really need a DVR with a NTSC/ATSC tuner AND optical output. I have a Panasonic DMR-E85H, but it won't power up now so I'm looking for a replacement. I wanted one with HDMI and Optical.

If the search for a replacement doesn't go quickly, you might contact 'mickinct' through this forum to ascertain its repair prospects -- he's worked on my DMR-E85H and a variety of Panny models for many who have been referred to him here. He's very knowledgeable about the different models and what symptoms might be repairable at what estimated costs -- definitely worthwhile to inquire, regardless.

I was seriously thinking about getting one of the Mag537 models through Walmart yesterday, but decided to hold off -- the storm-induced power outage yesterday evening at my Central Texas home precluded any significant reconsideration in the short-run, but I'll keep thinking about a replacement and see what the Christmas & New Year's prospects look like in another 5-6 weeks.
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post #22245 of 23784
11/27/12 at 10:46am
+1 on the quality of MICKINCT's service. He really knows his stuff about these machines. When my E85 went on the Fritz, he had it diagnosed over the phone and quoted me the exact price I ended up paying him for the repairs. He had it turned around and fixed and on its way back to me the day after he received it. It certainly was worth the price to get my prized E85 back in service.
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post #22246 of 23784
11/27/12 at 11:19am
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Big Announcement!

 

Save $1 on the 535 and 537 now!!

 

Walmart reduced price now $248 and $298!!!

 

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post #22247 of 23784
11/27/12 at 11:27am
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Big Announcement!

Save $1 on the 535 and 537 now!!

Walmart reduced price now $248 and $298!!!

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I guess they will lower their Q4 profit forecasts tomorrow. I find it strange Amazon has such high prices. Anyhow, what does next year look like for Funai? With the loss of TVGOS, TiVo is getting a few new sales.
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post #22248 of 23784
11/27/12 at 12:20pm
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Some Funai tidbits:

 

As of Sep 2012, Funai became sole N.A. (U.S./Canada) distributor of PHILIPS branded audio and accessory products (Mexico TBD).

 

Started production of 5th generation BD recorders.

 

Sales of AV equipment down 26%, biggest drop in Japan, followed by Europe, then Asia, then best-perfomer N.A.

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post #22249 of 23784
11/27/12 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Some Funai tidbits:

As of Sep 2012, Funai became sole N.A. (U.S./Canada) distributor of PHILIPS branded audio and accessory products (Mexico TBD).

Started production of 5th generation BD recorders.

Sales of AV equipment down 26%, biggest drop in Japan, followed by Europe, then Asia, then best-perfomer N.A.
Wow! I thought we we poor, but the rest of the world sounds really bad. Nobody has any money. I wish Funai the best. They make a mistake now and then, but there are much worse products out there.
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post #22250 of 23784
11/27/12 at 3:47pm
Realtime copy ONLY from DVD to HDD??!!

Arghhh! I GOTS to start reading the small print!

Although, in my defense, there's a couple thousand pages of small print here.

Just picked up a 1tb 537 from Wallyworld and already a couple hearty harumphs. Surprised to see that I can't pick index thumbnails on the hard drive. but the real killer is realtime copy from DVD to HDD?? Say it ain't so!!

Please tell me somebody has figured a way around that. I was hoping to copy in a whole bunch of DVD-Rs (finalized for the most part) that I've burned over the years. That all happened on Panasonic DVD-Rs - the last of which is now going south. I was hoping to (easily) transfer those DVD-Rs to the HDD on this unit and just stash them to storage. I've made some notes from the thread on adding an HDD "farm" to the unit, but if I've gotta do the copy real time, we're talking years before it's done, and I ain't getting any younger.

Speaking of the Panasonics ... I much preferred their titling function where you just point and click the letters on the screen. My eyes aren't good enough to see the buttons on the remote. I expect it's a lot easier for people who spend their day texting ... for me, it was almost painful hunting and pecking out a sample rip I did of The Whole Nine Yards. The Panasonics were also smart enough to know to switch to caps after a space ...

PS ... about back up. Wondering if I can pop the hard drive and clone it to a USB drive using my home computer. I have a SATA/USB converter that's real handy for that kind of stuff and do all my cloning with Acronis True Image if that helps. I expect it'd work, but not sure if there's any bizarro firmware particular to the Maggie's drive ...

Note >> Setup was fairly painless. Only problem I had was the screensaver (now disabled) locked the machine when I spent an hour searching for an antenna splitter when I got to the antenna channel search. No biggie there. I powered down and "fixed" it. I expect there's some secret handshake I missed in the manual for that. Rest went smoothly. I did take some notes on the automatic clock that should hopefully avoid some of the issues I've seen mentioned here.
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11/27/12 at 5:29pm
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Realtime copy ONLY from DVD to HDD??!!

Arghhh! I GOTS to start reading the small print!

Although, in my defense, there's a couple thousand pages of small print here.

Just picked up a 1tb 537 from Wallyworld and already a couple hearty harumphs. Surprised to see that I can't pick index thumbnails on the hard drive. but the real killer is realtime copy from DVD to HDD?? Say it ain't so!!

Please tell me somebody has figured a way around that. I was hoping to copy in a whole bunch of DVD-Rs (finalized for the most part) that I've burned over the years. That all happened on Panasonic DVD-Rs - the last of which is now going south. I was hoping to (easily) transfer those DVD-Rs to the HDD on this unit and just stash them to storage. I've made some notes from the thread on adding an HDD "farm" to the unit, but if I've gotta do the copy real time, we're talking years before it's done, and I ain't getting any younger.

 

 I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it's worse than that.

 

Finalized DVDs have to be copied to HDD in real time AND ONE TITLE AT A TIME! eek.gif

 

You *could* set up a playlist for any DVD with multiple titles and tell your Panny to play all titles (or just play them if they'll auto=play sequentially, like they do on the Mag) while doing a manual timed recording on the Mag... press REC multiple times to add time sufficient to cover all the Panny titles. Then use the EDIT menu to Divide and Scene Delete as necessary to get individual titles on the Mag?

 

As far as reading all the pages here, why not start with page 1 post 1... it could be all you need?

 

Walmart accepts returns within 90 days. smile.gif


Edited by wajo - 11/27/12 at 5:42pm
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11/27/12 at 8:57pm
But ... but ... butt ...

REAL TIME ... ARGHHHHHH!!!

OK ... got that out of my system. biggrin.gif

Another feature that I'm less than thrilled with is the HDD indexing. It looks like all you get is numerical order based on what got recorded first. Could get interesting as the movies start to pile up, as the only way I see to read the titles is to select them individually in the index. Also looks like the Maggie sets the index pic to the first frame, which is really really dumb as that's always gonna be a black frame if you edit the start and end frames for a clean playback. If that's the case, too bad there's no way to just go with a text listing ...

(me me me meeeeeeee ...Are we in voice, Winstead?)

ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Once again ... I can deal with that. I've been scratching notes and using an Excel spreadsheet for the DVDs I've ripped with the Pannies. Print a catalog for the TV room and scratch a update sheet - repeat when necessary.

Question: Any navigation shortcuts on the HDD index? I was hoping I'd be able to punch in a movie number at least to jump there and save a couple steps.

On the bright side, playback is real nice at LP resolution. Is that like 480P or thereabouts? What quality is most popular?

PS ... looks like the 537 may have cleaned up some of the concerns in title splits and editing, or I just got lucky. Also did some test commercial cuts and that went well. The frame tracking is right on the money with the finished edit.
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11/27/12 at 10:31pm
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Question: Any navigation shortcuts on the HDD index? I was hoping I'd be able to punch in a movie number at least to jump there and save a couple steps.
In the Titles menu screen, you can scan thru the 'pages' using the >>I button to reach a specific recording...also, during playback, you press the Display button to bring up the 1st graphic bar. Press Enter, to activate the options-the first option is the title's number. You can then enter in the number of a recording and press Enter again to go directly to it.
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11/28/12 at 7:40am
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On the bright side, playback is real nice at LP resolution. Is that like 480P or thereabouts? What quality is most popular?

PS ... looks like the 537 may have cleaned up some of the concerns in title splits and editing, or I just got lucky. Also did some test commercial cuts and that went well. The frame tracking is right on the money with the finished edit.

 

Playback is 480i except when using Component RGB with Video > Progressive Scan (PS) ON. which gives you 480p, or HDMI, which has the 4 formats you've prob. already found: 480p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p. With PS ON, there is no output from the Composite Yellow or S-Video outputs. PS ON is not reqd for the HDMI output.

 

Frame tracking will be "right on" when played back from the HDD original,. but if you high-speed dub (HSD) to a DVD, the DVD/MPEG Std requires chapter marks (auto-set and custom-made with Scene Deletes) to be on key frames, so they'll move as described here.


Edited by wajo - 11/28/12 at 7:45am
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11/28/12 at 8:29am
agreed!
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11/28/12 at 8:58am
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Realtime copy ONLY from DVD to HDD??!!

Please tell me somebody has figured a way around that. I was hoping to copy in a whole bunch of DVD-Rs (finalized for the most part) that I've burned over the years. That all happened on Panasonic DVD-Rs - the last of which is now going south. I was hoping to (easily) transfer those DVD-Rs to the HDD on this unit and just stash them to storage. I've made some notes from the thread on adding an HDD "farm" to the unit, but if I've gotta do the copy real time, we're talking years before it's done, and I ain't getting any younger.

Would you be willing to consider an alternative solution that would be superior? It will cost you a little extra money but if, as you say, time is a precious commodity . . .

Pick up a media player -- specifically the WDTV Live-Streaming Media Player on-line for $90. It has USB ports for attaching external disk drives of any size. Then use your PC to rip your DVD-R to an external drive as DVD.iso files using ImgBurn -- under 10 min per disk. You can organize them by folder on the external drive.

Then plug the HDD into the WDTV Live, allow it to catalog the files and enjoy a playback experience identical to putting the original disk into a DVD player -- full menu support. The UI of the WDTV Live is very good: it can be sorted, organized and searched -- far better than an endless list of files by recording date.

As far as a "disk farm", you can swap USB drives or just use really big ones -- at one time I had a pair of 2TB drives in a dual disk USB enclosure attached and set up as a single 4TB volume (holds ~800 DVD-R.iso). You could even attach it to your PC network and stream your recordings from your PC or network storage. I now have close to 1000 DVD.iso on 8TB of network storage

Use the DVD recorder for its intended purpose -- recording. For personal archive and library playback there are far better solutions.
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11/28/12 at 9:40am
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Some Funai tidbits:

As of Sep 2012, Funai became sole N.A. (U.S./Canada) distributor of PHILIPS branded audio and accessory products (Mexico TBD).

Started production of 5th generation BD recorders...

Then how's about making some of those BD recorders IN the U.S.?

Oh, by the way, does anyone know why Blu-Ray is abbreviated as BD?
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11/28/12 at 9:42am
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BD = Blu-ray Disc

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11/28/12 at 10:06am
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Then how's about making some of those BD recorders IN the U.S.?

I'm not sure Walmart has the purchasing ability to do that. Or Target. Or CVS. Or.....
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11/28/12 at 10:43am
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Would you be willing to consider an alternative solution that would be superior? It will cost you a little extra money but if, as you say, time is a precious commodity . . .
Pick up a media player -- specifically the WDTV Live-Streaming Media Player on-line for $90. It has USB ports for attaching external disk drives of any size. Then use your PC to rip your DVD-R to an external drive as DVD.iso files using ImgBurn -- under 10 min per disk. You can organize them by folder on the external drive.
Then plug the HDD into the WDTV Live, allow it to catalog the files and enjoy a playback experience identical to putting the original disk into a DVD player -- full menu support. The UI of the WDTV Live is very good: it can be sorted, organized and searched -- far better than an endless list of files by recording date.
As far as a "disk farm", you can swap USB drives or just use really big ones -- at one time I had a pair of 2TB drives in a dual disk USB enclosure attached and set up as a single 4TB volume (holds ~800 DVD-R.iso). You could even attach it to your PC network and stream your recordings from your PC or network storage. I now have close to 1000 DVD.iso on 8TB of network storage
Use the DVD recorder for its intended purpose -- recording. For personal archive and library playback there are far better solutions.

Kelson turned me on to this set up a few months ago. I can attest to its efficacy. Gone are the tons of individual DVDs and the need to search through them for a title. All my recordings are now on a couple of HDDs, neatly organized and alphabetized.
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